Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Sam Perez]

Chris ,
The long haul tucker (not featured because I no longer own it It was
stolen) was a nice ride I think it too had a long wheelbase.  I remember
the bike had stout construction and the tires were the big apples. If I
remember were a little rough for the volume. I never experienced a flat. It
was a tank that was the bike I took of I needed to be somewhere and had no
time for incidents. It was a bit twitchy unloaded. Hauling groceries made
it feel stable like a motorcycle. I recall reading somewhere that the LHT
was loosely based on a RIV  anything have input on that ?

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 5:33 PM Chris L  wrote:

> I had an 83-84 Takara Highlander, which was basically a Stumpjumper clone
> and it rode nothing like a Riv.  The Takara was floppy at slow speeds and
> became a juggernaut at medium and faster speeds.  The front-end either felt
> like you couldn't hold it steady or it felt like you could barely budge it
> from straight.
>
> The Hunqapillar front-end is very neutral, not twitchy and not overly
> stable.  In fact, the front end just instinctively goes where I want it
> too, which I think is a big part of the Riv ride magic.   If I see a
> particular path I want to take or something I want to avoid, just thinking
> about it seems to make it happen, with no real conscious effort to make the
> steering corrections.
>
> I test rode a 26" LHT and found it to be extremely twitchy and
> unpleasant.  But, it had drop bars, which I'm not used too, and the skinny
> tires Surly spec'd for it.  Put fat tires and a mtb handlebar on the 26"
> LHT, and I think it would ride similar to a Rivendell.  In fact, the front
> end geometry of the 26" LHT and the original 56 cm Atlantis, yield pretty
> much the same trail and wheel flop numbers.
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned
>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>
>> MB-1  26"
>> MB-0. 26"
>> Surly LTH.  26"
>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>> Salsa ala carte26"
>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>> 80s univega. 26"
>>
>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt
>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain
>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo.
>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Sam Perez]

Hey Jason, I'll check it out, a balanced bike would be nice since I have
bikes that. Are set up to a narrow scope of riding. That last name drop
frame I haven't herd of but will research more info on that .

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 12:50 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Those Sams that are up on the site now (and going quick, noticed a couple
> options are out already after 45 min) are such a good entry to modern Rivs
> in my limited experience.  I have had a couple from your list and the Sam
> Hillborne is head and shoulders above in terms of ride quality IMO,
> although the one area that you might not find improvement is
> "responsiveness".  However, the Sam still rides lively, it's just a lot
> more balanced and comfortable. The geometry makes the bike carve corners
> rather than simply turn, and it floats along unlike any bike I've
> experienced.
>
> I bet the upcoming Charlie H Gallup would right up your alley if the
> aesthetics agree with you.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Sam Perez]

Thanks Joe,  the MB's have the wheel tucked under them the only one with
long wheelbase I own is the stump jumper, the wheel flop is noticeable if I
switch back to back between bikes.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 12:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> *Mt. Diablo. So many typos 🤦
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I've owned a bunch of MBs including one MB-1 and I think it would be a
>> disservice to you to try to compare tkkde very different 30-ish-year-old
>> designs to what Riv does today. The short answer is they're WAY better, but
>> I think you need to ride one to see if you agree. If you're near My Diablo
>> you're near RBW, go over there with some cash for cables and stuff and ride
>> a bike while you're at it! I recommend the Susie, plus I think there's a
>> couple proto Platypuses hanging around still.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned
>>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>>
>>> MB-1  26"
>>> MB-0. 26"
>>> Surly LTH.  26"
>>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>>> Salsa ala carte26"
>>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>>> 80s univega. 26"
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt
>>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain
>>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo.
>>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Chris Birkenmaier]

For my “go fast” Riv, I find the Albastache to work really well which is on 
my Roadini.   My Sam has the Bullmoose, the Mountain Mixte has the VO 
Klunker, the Cheviot has the Jones bar and the Quickbeam is an Ahearne. 
 Soma San Marcos has the Albatross.  All good bars but the Albastache seems 
the sportiest of the group
On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 9:16:39 AM UTC-5 Pete B wrote:

> Is there a particular handlebar you'd like to use? If you are looking for 
> an upright but sporty ride, you may want to choose a Riv frame that allows 
> you to lean forward even with a swept back handlebar. I'm not talking super 
> aggressive position, I'm talking touring-bike-with-drop bars lean forward.
>
> For example,  I have a Rosco Bubbe Road with a sloping top tube and tall 
> headtube that makes it very easy to get moustache and drop bars close and 
> comfortable. It's a lot like a SimpleOne, and uses that fork. However, 
> anything more swept back than an Albatross bar would probably require a 
> very long stem for me to get sporty and comfortable.
>
> Depending on what bar you want to use and how upright you want to be, a 
> more cruiser-ish frame with a longer top tube like the Atlantis or 
> Appaloosa could be preferable to a Hillborne or Hilsen. Or, if an 
> Albastache or moustache bar is in your future, vice versa. I'd call Riv, 
> they'll ask you better questions than me :)
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:38:50 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>
>> MB-1  26"
>> MB-0. 26"
>> Surly LTH.  26"
>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>> Salsa ala carte26"
>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>> 80s univega. 26"
>>
>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>
>> Thanks 
>> Sam
>>
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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Pete B]

Is there a particular handlebar you'd like to use? If you are looking for 
an upright but sporty ride, you may want to choose a Riv frame that allows 
you to lean forward even with a swept back handlebar. I'm not talking super 
aggressive position, I'm talking touring-bike-with-drop bars lean forward.

For example,  I have a Rosco Bubbe Road with a sloping top tube and tall 
headtube that makes it very easy to get moustache and drop bars close and 
comfortable. It's a lot like a SimpleOne, and uses that fork. However, 
anything more swept back than an Albatross bar would probably require a 
very long stem for me to get sporty and comfortable.

Depending on what bar you want to use and how upright you want to be, a 
more cruiser-ish frame with a longer top tube like the Atlantis or 
Appaloosa could be preferable to a Hillborne or Hilsen. Or, if an 
Albastache or moustache bar is in your future, vice versa. I'd call Riv, 
they'll ask you better questions than me :)

Pete
Arlington, VA
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:38:50 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:

> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>
> MB-1  26"
> MB-0. 26"
> Surly LTH.  26"
> EBISU All purpose 650b
> Salsa ala carte26"
> 84 stump jumper 26"
> 80s univega. 26"
>
> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
> Haven't decided what model yet.
>
> Thanks 
> Sam
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Joe Bernard]

I would not say your MBs are similar to any Riv currently in production, 
especially in the stack height. If you want comfort and utility and great 
handling and the bars up enough to save your neck, most any model they make 
is great for that. Bridgestone mountain bikes were good for the racing they 
were built for then, but in my opinion they don't rise to what you can get 
from even the cheapest Rivs today, the Clem and Roadini. I can't talk 
anybody into a bike they've never ridden, but I'm comfortable saying anyone 
with enough interest in the company to be on this list probably should have 
at least one Rivendell at some point in their lives. 


On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 11:03:25 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:

> Comfort and utility, with whatever reasonable sport quality's of not being 
> a clinker like my stumpy. Or are my bikes similar to a riv? That's what I 
> wonder since I can't test one out.
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 9:48 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> That EBISU is so sweet, and now I know who you are from IG haha. I guess 
>> the big question is what do you want the Rivendell to do and what qualities 
>> from these bikes do you want it to have / not have?  Grant doesn't make a 
>> bad bike but he makes a handful that aren't probably what you're after! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 8:03 PM Sam Perez  wrote:
>>
>>> This is really helpful, I'm interested about more experiences to help 
>>> guide me in the right direction.
>>>
>>> Here are some of the bikes mentioned
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 5:33 PM Chris L  wrote:
>>>
 I had an 83-84 Takara Highlander, which was basically a Stumpjumper 
 clone and it rode nothing like a Riv.  The Takara was floppy at slow 
 speeds 
 and became a juggernaut at medium and faster speeds.  The front-end either 
 felt like you couldn't hold it steady or it felt like you could barely 
 budge it from straight.  

 The Hunqapillar front-end is very neutral, not twitchy and not overly 
 stable.  In fact, the front end just instinctively goes where I want it 
 too, which I think is a big part of the Riv ride magic.   If I see a 
 particular path I want to take or something I want to avoid, just thinking 
 about it seems to make it happen, with no real conscious effort to make 
 the 
 steering corrections.  

 I test rode a 26" LHT and found it to be extremely twitchy and 
 unpleasant.  But, it had drop bars, which I'm not used too, and the skinny 
 tires Surly spec'd for it.  Put fat tires and a mtb handlebar on the 26" 
 LHT, and I think it would ride similar to a Rivendell.  In fact, the front 
 end geometry of the 26" LHT and the original 56 cm Atlantis, yield pretty 
 much the same trail and wheel flop numbers.  
 On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:

> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've 
> owned and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>
> MB-1  26"
> MB-0. 26"
> Surly LTH.  26"
> EBISU All purpose 650b
> Salsa ala carte26"
> 84 stump jumper 26"
> 80s univega. 26"
>
> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up 
> diablo. 
> Haven't decided what model yet.
>
> Thanks 
> Sam
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Sam Perez]

Comfort and utility, with whatever reasonable sport quality's of not being
a clinker like my stumpy. Or are my bikes similar to a riv? That's what I
wonder since I can't test one out.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 9:48 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> That EBISU is so sweet, and now I know who you are from IG haha. I guess
> the big question is what do you want the Rivendell to do and what qualities
> from these bikes do you want it to have / not have?  Grant doesn't make a
> bad bike but he makes a handful that aren't probably what you're after!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 8:03 PM Sam Perez  wrote:
>
>> This is really helpful, I'm interested about more experiences to help
>> guide me in the right direction.
>>
>> Here are some of the bikes mentioned
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 5:33 PM Chris L  wrote:
>>
>>> I had an 83-84 Takara Highlander, which was basically a Stumpjumper
>>> clone and it rode nothing like a Riv.  The Takara was floppy at slow speeds
>>> and became a juggernaut at medium and faster speeds.  The front-end either
>>> felt like you couldn't hold it steady or it felt like you could barely
>>> budge it from straight.
>>>
>>> The Hunqapillar front-end is very neutral, not twitchy and not overly
>>> stable.  In fact, the front end just instinctively goes where I want it
>>> too, which I think is a big part of the Riv ride magic.   If I see a
>>> particular path I want to take or something I want to avoid, just thinking
>>> about it seems to make it happen, with no real conscious effort to make the
>>> steering corrections.
>>>
>>> I test rode a 26" LHT and found it to be extremely twitchy and
>>> unpleasant.  But, it had drop bars, which I'm not used too, and the skinny
>>> tires Surly spec'd for it.  Put fat tires and a mtb handlebar on the 26"
>>> LHT, and I think it would ride similar to a Rivendell.  In fact, the front
>>> end geometry of the 26" LHT and the original 56 cm Atlantis, yield pretty
>>> much the same trail and wheel flop numbers.
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've
 owned and emulated rive bikes with are the following.

 MB-1  26"
 MB-0. 26"
 Surly LTH.  26"
 EBISU All purpose 650b
 Salsa ala carte26"
 84 stump jumper 26"
 80s univega. 26"

 Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt
 conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain
 from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo.
 Haven't decided what model yet.

 Thanks
 Sam

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Jason Fuller]

That EBISU is so sweet, and now I know who you are from IG haha. I guess
the big question is what do you want the Rivendell to do and what qualities
from these bikes do you want it to have / not have?  Grant doesn't make a
bad bike but he makes a handful that aren't probably what you're after!



On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 8:03 PM Sam Perez  wrote:

> This is really helpful, I'm interested about more experiences to help
> guide me in the right direction.
>
> Here are some of the bikes mentioned
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 5:33 PM Chris L  wrote:
>
>> I had an 83-84 Takara Highlander, which was basically a Stumpjumper clone
>> and it rode nothing like a Riv.  The Takara was floppy at slow speeds and
>> became a juggernaut at medium and faster speeds.  The front-end either felt
>> like you couldn't hold it steady or it felt like you could barely budge it
>> from straight.
>>
>> The Hunqapillar front-end is very neutral, not twitchy and not overly
>> stable.  In fact, the front end just instinctively goes where I want it
>> too, which I think is a big part of the Riv ride magic.   If I see a
>> particular path I want to take or something I want to avoid, just thinking
>> about it seems to make it happen, with no real conscious effort to make the
>> steering corrections.
>>
>> I test rode a 26" LHT and found it to be extremely twitchy and
>> unpleasant.  But, it had drop bars, which I'm not used too, and the skinny
>> tires Surly spec'd for it.  Put fat tires and a mtb handlebar on the 26"
>> LHT, and I think it would ride similar to a Rivendell.  In fact, the front
>> end geometry of the 26" LHT and the original 56 cm Atlantis, yield pretty
>> much the same trail and wheel flop numbers.
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned
>>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>>
>>> MB-1  26"
>>> MB-0. 26"
>>> Surly LTH.  26"
>>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>>> Salsa ala carte26"
>>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>>> 80s univega. 26"
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt
>>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain
>>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo.
>>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Chris L]

I had an 83-84 Takara Highlander, which was basically a Stumpjumper clone 
and it rode nothing like a Riv.  The Takara was floppy at slow speeds and 
became a juggernaut at medium and faster speeds.  The front-end either felt 
like you couldn't hold it steady or it felt like you could barely budge it 
from straight.  

The Hunqapillar front-end is very neutral, not twitchy and not overly 
stable.  In fact, the front end just instinctively goes where I want it 
too, which I think is a big part of the Riv ride magic.   If I see a 
particular path I want to take or something I want to avoid, just thinking 
about it seems to make it happen, with no real conscious effort to make the 
steering corrections.  

I test rode a 26" LHT and found it to be extremely twitchy and unpleasant.  
But, it had drop bars, which I'm not used too, and the skinny tires Surly 
spec'd for it.  Put fat tires and a mtb handlebar on the 26" LHT, and I 
think it would ride similar to a Rivendell.  In fact, the front end 
geometry of the 26" LHT and the original 56 cm Atlantis, yield pretty much 
the same trail and wheel flop numbers.  
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:

> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>
> MB-1  26"
> MB-0. 26"
> Surly LTH.  26"
> EBISU All purpose 650b
> Salsa ala carte26"
> 84 stump jumper 26"
> 80s univega. 26"
>
> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
> Haven't decided what model yet.
>
> Thanks 
> Sam
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Jason Fuller]

Those Sams that are up on the site now (and going quick, noticed a couple 
options are out already after 45 min) are such a good entry to modern Rivs 
in my limited experience.  I have had a couple from your list and the Sam 
Hillborne is head and shoulders above in terms of ride quality IMO, 
although the one area that you might not find improvement is 
"responsiveness".  However, the Sam still rides lively, it's just a lot 
more balanced and comfortable. The geometry makes the bike carve corners 
rather than simply turn, and it floats along unlike any bike I've 
experienced.  

I bet the upcoming Charlie H Gallup would right up your alley if the 
aesthetics agree with you.  




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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Joe Bernard]

*Mt. Diablo. So many typos 🤦


On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've owned a bunch of MBs including one MB-1 and I think it would be a 
> disservice to you to try to compare tkkde very different 30-ish-year-old 
> designs to what Riv does today. The short answer is they're WAY better, but 
> I think you need to ride one to see if you agree. If you're near My Diablo 
> you're near RBW, go over there with some cash for cables and stuff and ride 
> a bike while you're at it! I recommend the Susie, plus I think there's a 
> couple proto Platypuses hanging around still. 
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>
>> MB-1  26"
>> MB-0. 26"
>> Surly LTH.  26"
>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>> Salsa ala carte26"
>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>> 80s univega. 26"
>>
>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>
>> Thanks 
>> Sam
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned a bunch of MBs including one MB-1 and I think it would be a 
disservice to you to try to compare tkkde very different 30-ish-year-old 
designs to what Riv does today. The short answer is they're WAY better, but 
I think you need to ride one to see if you agree. If you're near My Diablo 
you're near RBW, go over there with some cash for cables and stuff and ride 
a bike while you're at it! I recommend the Susie, plus I think there's a 
couple proto Platypuses hanging around still. 

 

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:

> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>
> MB-1  26"
> MB-0. 26"
> Surly LTH.  26"
> EBISU All purpose 650b
> Salsa ala carte26"
> 84 stump jumper 26"
> 80s univega. 26"
>
> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
> Haven't decided what model yet.
>
> Thanks 
> Sam
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Ray]

Agree with Matthew--would love to see some pics. You have a few of my dream 
bikes on that list.

Ray

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:17:15 PM UTC-6 Matthew P wrote:

> Sam lets see photos of all those bikes!
> -Matthew
> Kumeyaay Land
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:47:23 AM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>
>> Not with any of those specific bikes, but I have a '90 Fisher (probably 
>> not far off your Stumpy).  It actually seems to handle quicker than my '03 
>> 58 cm 700c Atlantis.  That's to be expected with one being a purpose built 
>> MTB and the other a touring bike.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
>>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>>
>>> MB-1  26"
>>> MB-0. 26"
>>> Surly LTH.  26"
>>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>>> Salsa ala carte26"
>>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>>> 80s univega. 26"
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
>>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
>>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
>>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>> Sam
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Matthew P]

Sam lets see photos of all those bikes!
-Matthew
Kumeyaay Land

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:47:23 AM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Not with any of those specific bikes, but I have a '90 Fisher (probably 
> not far off your Stumpy).  It actually seems to handle quicker than my '03 
> 58 cm 700c Atlantis.  That's to be expected with one being a purpose built 
> MTB and the other a touring bike.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>
>> MB-1  26"
>> MB-0. 26"
>> Surly LTH.  26"
>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>> Salsa ala carte26"
>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>> 80s univega. 26"
>>
>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>
>> Thanks 
>> Sam
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[dougP]

Not with any of those specific bikes, but I have a '90 Fisher (probably not 
far off your Stumpy).  It actually seems to handle quicker than my '03 58 
cm 700c Atlantis.  That's to be expected with one being a purpose built MTB 
and the other a touring bike.  

dougP

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:

> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>
> MB-1  26"
> MB-0. 26"
> Surly LTH.  26"
> EBISU All purpose 650b
> Salsa ala carte26"
> 84 stump jumper 26"
> 80s univega. 26"
>
> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
> Haven't decided what model yet.
>
> Thanks 
> Sam
>

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