[RBW] Re: In-kind donations for effective cycling advocacy

[Jonathan Stafford]

Hey Jay,

If your local bike advocacy group has a way for you to get involved that 
means a lot to them - that's the in-kind gift that most bicycle advocacy 
orgs appreciate most. Trust me, I work for one and if I had to choose the 
monetary donation from parts you sold or having you phone bank for yearend 
appeal, or getting a petition signed to increase roadway safety in 
underserved areas...I'll take your time over your money all day! 

As it relates to Riv's BRP pricing, maybe you could find your local Riv 
dealer and make them the offer you thought to make Riv. Being intentional 
about who you're willing to sell/donate your parts to is a lot easier at 
the local level. Plus, you may already have a good relationship with the 
shop and have a chance to meet some folks you otherwise may not have. 

I'm just happy you're thinking deeply about how to be involved. If you 
decide to sell here, I'll support your efforts by paying what you ask w/o 
negotiation. But that's just me. Best of luck!
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 5:28:18 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:

> Is the goal to supply under-served populations with tools and equipment 
> they would otherwise not be able to afford, or to have a more broad impact 
> on society's treatment of certain populations? I'm not trying to get 
> philosophical, just that the difference between the two will impact whether 
> it's better to fund Riv's BRP or something like the ACLU. 
>
> Regardless, selling the parts and donating the funds is the easiest and 
> most effective way to go I think. You could always ask Riv if they want the 
> old parts I guess?
>
> Good Luck,
> Collin in Sacramento
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 11:46:10 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> Over the years I have amassed a sizable stash of really nice components 
>> that I no longer need - Paul brakes and levers, Nitto stems and handlebars, 
>> XTR M900 wheelset, SON dynohub, etc. It's all valuable on the open market, 
>> but Riv's BRP has got me thinking about how best to donate it for maximal 
>> benefit. My fear is that if I just dropped it all off at my local bike 
>> co-op the best stuff will be skimmed by the staff. I've thought of reaching 
>> out to Riv directly to see if they could repurpose it for the BRP, but that 
>> potentially creates issues they'd rather avoid (liability, not wanting to 
>> become a used parts dumping ground, etc.). So I thought I'd poll the nice 
>> folks here for some ideas on how to Marie Kondo my parts bin while serving 
>> the interests of social justice. It may be that the best move will be to 
>> take a page from Peter Singer and sell the stuff outright and then donate 
>> the proceeds - in that case stay tuned, since I'll probably list it all 
>> here first.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: In-kind donations for effective cycling advocacy

[ascpgh]

Lot's of hesitation on donating high end parts to bike co-ops for the 
concern of staff skimming. Ask what they do with such donations when you're 
about to move your stash. One of the coolest things I've come across is a 
co-op that uses such donations to propel their work with in-need and under 
served cycling communities by selling those premier donated parts on eBay 
to fund things they need most. A resold SON generator hub could fund a pile 
of Alivio RDs or cable and housing sets. I have been looking at eBay 
listings for bike parts seeking the co-op offerings for this reason. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 2:46:10 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Over the years I have amassed a sizable stash of really nice components 
> that I no longer need - Paul brakes and levers, Nitto stems and handlebars, 
> XTR M900 wheelset, SON dynohub, etc. It's all valuable on the open market, 
> but Riv's BRP has got me thinking about how best to donate it for maximal 
> benefit. My fear is that if I just dropped it all off at my local bike 
> co-op the best stuff will be skimmed by the staff. I've thought of reaching 
> out to Riv directly to see if they could repurpose it for the BRP, but that 
> potentially creates issues they'd rather avoid (liability, not wanting to 
> become a used parts dumping ground, etc.). So I thought I'd poll the nice 
> folks here for some ideas on how to Marie Kondo my parts bin while serving 
> the interests of social justice. It may be that the best move will be to 
> take a page from Peter Singer and sell the stuff outright and then donate 
> the proceeds - in that case stay tuned, since I'll probably list it all 
> here first.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>

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[RBW] Re: In-kind donations for effective cycling advocacy

[Collin A]

Is the goal to supply under-served populations with tools and equipment 
they would otherwise not be able to afford, or to have a more broad impact 
on society's treatment of certain populations? I'm not trying to get 
philosophical, just that the difference between the two will impact whether 
it's better to fund Riv's BRP or something like the ACLU. 

Regardless, selling the parts and donating the funds is the easiest and 
most effective way to go I think. You could always ask Riv if they want the 
old parts I guess?

Good Luck,
Collin in Sacramento

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 11:46:10 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Over the years I have amassed a sizable stash of really nice components 
> that I no longer need - Paul brakes and levers, Nitto stems and handlebars, 
> XTR M900 wheelset, SON dynohub, etc. It's all valuable on the open market, 
> but Riv's BRP has got me thinking about how best to donate it for maximal 
> benefit. My fear is that if I just dropped it all off at my local bike 
> co-op the best stuff will be skimmed by the staff. I've thought of reaching 
> out to Riv directly to see if they could repurpose it for the BRP, but that 
> potentially creates issues they'd rather avoid (liability, not wanting to 
> become a used parts dumping ground, etc.). So I thought I'd poll the nice 
> folks here for some ideas on how to Marie Kondo my parts bin while serving 
> the interests of social justice. It may be that the best move will be to 
> take a page from Peter Singer and sell the stuff outright and then donate 
> the proceeds - in that case stay tuned, since I'll probably list it all 
> here first.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In-kind donations for effective cycling advocacy

[Sam Perez]

I agree selling the parts then donating the proceeds to a organization of
choice.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 12:41 PM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> I hate thinking the worst about anyone, but I can totally see really nice
> components not making it to the people who the co-op is designed to serve.
> If you donate the components and feel good that you gave someone the
> opportunity to use them appropriately, is that good enough? Is there a way
> for co-ops to be held accountable for how they use donated parts?
>
> I think if it were me, I'd likely sell off the components, go to the Riv
> website, and kick as much as I can into Riv's RBF.
>
> -Ben
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 1:46:10 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> Over the years I have amassed a sizable stash of really nice components
>> that I no longer need - Paul brakes and levers, Nitto stems and handlebars,
>> XTR M900 wheelset, SON dynohub, etc. It's all valuable on the open market,
>> but Riv's BRP has got me thinking about how best to donate it for maximal
>> benefit. My fear is that if I just dropped it all off at my local bike
>> co-op the best stuff will be skimmed by the staff. I've thought of reaching
>> out to Riv directly to see if they could repurpose it for the BRP, but that
>> potentially creates issues they'd rather avoid (liability, not wanting to
>> become a used parts dumping ground, etc.). So I thought I'd poll the nice
>> folks here for some ideas on how to Marie Kondo my parts bin while serving
>> the interests of social justice. It may be that the best move will be to
>> take a page from Peter Singer and sell the stuff outright and then donate
>> the proceeds - in that case stay tuned, since I'll probably list it all
>> here first.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
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[RBW] Re: In-kind donations for effective cycling advocacy

[Ben Mihovk]

I hate thinking the worst about anyone, but I can totally see really nice 
components not making it to the people who the co-op is designed to serve. 
If you donate the components and feel good that you gave someone the 
opportunity to use them appropriately, is that good enough? Is there a way 
for co-ops to be held accountable for how they use donated parts? 

I think if it were me, I'd likely sell off the components, go to the Riv 
website, and kick as much as I can into Riv's RBF. 

-Ben

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 1:46:10 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Over the years I have amassed a sizable stash of really nice components 
> that I no longer need - Paul brakes and levers, Nitto stems and handlebars, 
> XTR M900 wheelset, SON dynohub, etc. It's all valuable on the open market, 
> but Riv's BRP has got me thinking about how best to donate it for maximal 
> benefit. My fear is that if I just dropped it all off at my local bike 
> co-op the best stuff will be skimmed by the staff. I've thought of reaching 
> out to Riv directly to see if they could repurpose it for the BRP, but that 
> potentially creates issues they'd rather avoid (liability, not wanting to 
> become a used parts dumping ground, etc.). So I thought I'd poll the nice 
> folks here for some ideas on how to Marie Kondo my parts bin while serving 
> the interests of social justice. It may be that the best move will be to 
> take a page from Peter Singer and sell the stuff outright and then donate 
> the proceeds - in that case stay tuned, since I'll probably list it all 
> here first.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>

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