[RBW] Re: Is the Hunqapillar an updated Atlantis or a budget version of the Bombadil?
The answer I think is yes. The Hunq is a less expensive version of the Bomba, but on a 700c or 26 platform making it more versitile and marketable. It's not an Atlantis or Bomba, but I love my Hunq for being the unique piece of steel it is. Marc On Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:12:55 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: In recent writings Grant has mentioned that the Hunqapillar is basically a budget version of the Bombadil. Yet, on Jim's website is this quote: *Update on the Atlantis for the future - * One of the realities of our current global economy is a continued devaluation of the US dollar against the yen. In mid-2009, some rumors began to surface that if things continued that direction, it might be necessary to have the Atlantis production moved away from Toyo. As you would expect with this most popular model, a great concern erupted about the possible disappearence of the Atlantis. Some of the realities were enumerated with the Rivendell Holiday 2009 email, which noted: We have a dwindling number of what seems to be the last of the Japanese-built Atlantis frames. They are stratospherically expensive to buy, and your price, $2,000 for frame-fork-headset, counts only if you buy a complete Atlantis from us. Frame only is now $2,300. Sometimes next year we'll likely bring in a Taiwan-built Atlantis, also built under the guidance of Tetsu Ishigaki; and the fork will be made in the old Toyo shop, in Japan. There may be some changes. Fewer sizes, more upslope on the TT.It will be a good, good bike. So, was the bike now known as the Hunqapillar simply a revised version of the Atlantis that ended up being renamed due to people's nostalgia over the original Atlantis? All of this happened before I discovered RBW but I've wondered about this for awhile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Is the Hunqapillar an updated Atlantis or a budget version of the Bombadil?
There was never any suggestion from Rivendell that the Atlantis was getting revised and would keep the name Atlantis. The bike that is now the Hunqapillar was never going to be named Atlantis. I was one of the handwringers who misinterpreted Grant's Blug postings to mean the Atlantis was going to be discontinued with the introduction of the Hunqapillar. I was bummed about my misinterpretation, might have posted something here on the list, and called Riv to ask about it. They said: Who in the heck told you that?!? No! The Atlantis isn't going away! Within a day or two after that phone call, Grant did a Blug posting saying something like contrary to rumors, the Atlantis isn't going away. I felt like I caused that, but maybe several people reacted like I did, provoking the clarification. Maybe my handwringing alone caused the great concern that Jim wrote about. Riv is very use-oriented in their thinking about bikes. You can absolutely do everything on a Hunqapillar that you could have done on a Bombadil. In that context, the Hunqapillar absolutely is a less-expensive bike than the Bombadil and is functionally equivalent. Both the Bomba and the Hunqa are burlier and heavier than the Atlantis. The only thing I can think of that you can't do on a Hunqapillar is be 6'10. The Bombadil came in a 68cm. I might have even seen a 72cm Bomba at one point. It was sublimely massive. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:12:55 PM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: In recent writings Grant has mentioned that the Hunqapillar is basically a budget version of the Bombadil. Yet, on Jim's website is this quote: *Update on the Atlantis for the future - * One of the realities of our current global economy is a continued devaluation of the US dollar against the yen. In mid-2009, some rumors began to surface that if things continued that direction, it might be necessary to have the Atlantis production moved away from Toyo. As you would expect with this most popular model, a great concern erupted about the possible disappearence of the Atlantis. Some of the realities were enumerated with the Rivendell Holiday 2009 email, which noted: We have a dwindling number of what seems to be the last of the Japanese-built Atlantis frames. They are stratospherically expensive to buy, and your price, $2,000 for frame-fork-headset, counts only if you buy a complete Atlantis from us. Frame only is now $2,300. Sometimes next year we'll likely bring in a Taiwan-built Atlantis, also built under the guidance of Tetsu Ishigaki; and the fork will be made in the old Toyo shop, in Japan. There may be some changes. Fewer sizes, more upslope on the TT.It will be a good, good bike. So, was the bike now known as the Hunqapillar simply a revised version of the Atlantis that ended up being renamed due to people's nostalgia over the original Atlantis? All of this happened before I discovered RBW but I've wondered about this for awhile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Is the Hunqapillar an updated Atlantis or a budget version of the Bombadil?
The Atlantis is the longest continuous production bike from Rivendell, rolled out in 1999.75 (correct me if I'm wrong on the date). Haven't read the page lately but at one time I believe it was listed as our most popular bike or best seller. Can't imagine letting that go away. dougP On Monday, January 13, 2014 5:34:53 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: There was never any suggestion from Rivendell that the Atlantis was getting revised and would keep the name Atlantis. The bike that is now the Hunqapillar was never going to be named Atlantis. I was one of the handwringers who misinterpreted Grant's Blug postings to mean the Atlantis was going to be discontinued with the introduction of the Hunqapillar. I was bummed about my misinterpretation, might have posted something here on the list, and called Riv to ask about it. They said: Who in the heck told you that?!? No! The Atlantis isn't going away! Within a day or two after that phone call, Grant did a Blug posting saying something like contrary to rumors, the Atlantis isn't going away. I felt like I caused that, but maybe several people reacted like I did, provoking the clarification. Maybe my handwringing alone caused the great concern that Jim wrote about. Riv is very use-oriented in their thinking about bikes. You can absolutely do everything on a Hunqapillar that you could have done on a Bombadil. In that context, the Hunqapillar absolutely is a less-expensive bike than the Bombadil and is functionally equivalent. Both the Bomba and the Hunqa are burlier and heavier than the Atlantis. The only thing I can think of that you can't do on a Hunqapillar is be 6'10. The Bombadil came in a 68cm. I might have even seen a 72cm Bomba at one point. It was sublimely massive. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:12:55 PM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: In recent writings Grant has mentioned that the Hunqapillar is basically a budget version of the Bombadil. Yet, on Jim's website is this quote: *Update on the Atlantis for the future - * One of the realities of our current global economy is a continued devaluation of the US dollar against the yen. In mid-2009, some rumors began to surface that if things continued that direction, it might be necessary to have the Atlantis production moved away from Toyo. As you would expect with this most popular model, a great concern erupted about the possible disappearence of the Atlantis.Some of the realities were enumerated with the Rivendell Holiday 2009 email, which noted: We have a dwindling number of what seems to be the last of the Japanese-built Atlantis frames. They are stratospherically expensive to buy, and your price, $2,000 for frame-fork-headset, counts only if you buy a complete Atlantis from us. Frame only is now $2,300. Sometimes next year we'll likely bring in a Taiwan-built Atlantis, also built under the guidance of Tetsu Ishigaki; and the fork will be made in the old Toyo shop, in Japan. There may be some changes. Fewer sizes, more upslope on the TT.It will be a good, good bike. So, was the bike now known as the Hunqapillar simply a revised version of the Atlantis that ended up being renamed due to people's nostalgia over the original Atlantis? All of this happened before I discovered RBW but I've wondered about this for awhile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Is the Hunqapillar an updated Atlantis or a budget version of the Bombadil?
I think that none of the bicycle designs which come from RBW are particularly static. There are probably a few reasons for this. My writings and commentary about the Hunqapillar stem from the first iterations of the idea and a conversation which GP shared as the proto's were due for arrival. At that time, he described something which fit between the Atlantis and the Bombadil. And from those first prototypes, with the very different frame tube layout that what ended up being final (and, of course, if you want to see another example of that - the first Bombadil and the current version are quite distinct. Go here - http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/ - and scroll down to the Blue version which Dirt Rag reviewed). But, not to digress, there is the very real aspect of cost - all the brazing and painting and uniqueness drive the price up. If there's a lug which can work in two designs, that helps. If there's a tube that doesn't need to be butted at the low stress end, then maybe a single-butted tube can be used. Another impact is the culmination of all the designs and prototypes and other solutions which GP has gone through, digested, refined and produced. That part of the process leads one to tweak this or simplify that so that the new design isn't just cookie-cuttered to less expensive manufacturing. So, no, I don't think the Hunq is a revised version of the Atlantis per se, but certainly influenced it - both in terms of where it should sit in the lineup of frames and the way that all of the RBW designs are refinements of the earlier designs. The LongLow certainly begat the Hilsen, for example, while the Hunq can easily trace its lineage through the Atlantis and the All-Rounder. Don't know if that answers your question or not. But, it's always an interesting discussion to consider the influences on each of the models. - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Is the Hunqapillar an updated Atlantis or a budget version of the Bombadil?
When it was first introduced, it did seem like the Hunq was a replacement for the Atlantis (and that the Atlantis was going away). But the design got tweaked, GP said the Atlantis was still going to be available, and suddenly the Hunq seemed like its own unique beast. I think the line got further blurred when production was shifted to Waterford instead of Taiwan. When the Bomba semi-disappeared the Hunqa seems to have slid into its slot in the line up, with its own niche and application. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Is the Hunqapillar an updated Atlantis or a budget version of the Bombadil?
That's exactly how I remember it. But I'll add this: at the new BBH store in Walnut Creek, they have sample models in there of the Hunq, the Sam, the Betty, and the Roadeo. They have little placards saying what each is for. On the Hunq's placard, the Hunq is referred to as our mountain bike or if not that exact wording, something equivalent in meaning. -Jim W. On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Christopher Murray wrote: When it was first introduced, it did seem like the Hunq was a replacement for the Atlantis (and that the Atlantis was going away). But the design got tweaked, GP said the Atlantis was still going to be available, and suddenly the Hunq seemed like its own unique beast. I think the line got further blurred when production was shifted to Waterford instead of Taiwan. When the Bomba semi-disappeared the Hunqa seems to have slid into its slot in the line up, with its own niche and application. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
