[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:56 PM, CycloFiend What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal. Isn't that right, Jim? Nope. Found I had to drop them slightly for a comfortable wrist angle. Seems to work better for climbing, too. No, Jim, let me tell you what you *really* mean, not what you *think* you mean. Seriously (huh?), I find that perfectly level bars so minimize pressure -- I think that this is because the bar spreads the pressure out over more surface -- that I never wear padded gloves. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
on 5/4/09 7:19 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:56 PM, CycloFiend What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal. Isn't that right, Jim? Nope. Found I had to drop them slightly for a comfortable wrist angle. Seems to work better for climbing, too. No, Jim, let me tell you what you *really* mean, not what you *think* you mean. Thanks Patrick. Don't know what came over me back there... ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines The bike between her legs was like some hyper-evolved alien tail she'd somehow extruded, as though over patient centuries; a sweet and intricate bone-machine, grown Lexan-armored tires, near-frictionless bearings, and gas filled shocks. William Gibson - Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Um. Not to interrupt the War of the Moustaches, but I've got a Soma M- bar that I'd like to sell. It's not Nitto, but I think it's functionally identical. It can be yours for $40 shipped. -Wesley On May 1, 5:27 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp size). Let me know if you've got one for sale! -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Charlie, IMO, B6x (I have a 66) saddles and Albatross bars are a perfect match. Both are best suited to a nearly upright riding position. I find it hard to get a Moustache high and close enough to be that upright. A shorter taller stem may help with your hand discomfort on the Moustache bars, especially if you're using a B67 with it. The other way I've successfully used a 'stache is with a bit narrower saddle (B17 or Champion Flyer), and riding faster! The harder you pedal, the more your weight is borne by your legs, and the less by your hands and rump. For me, the Moustache works better in 'sporting' mode than in 'cruising' mode. I suspect most of the fans of Moustache bars are fairly strong riders. If the Noodle gave you less discomfort, it may just be the better choice for you. My own fleet currently has bikes with Nitto Noodle, Dream and Randonneur bars, two with different non-Nitto drop bars, and none with Moustache bars. I've had my 'staches on a couple of different bikes and done up to 40 mile rides on them with no discomfort when they were set up just right. They worked well off- road when I had them on the Riv Mountain/Expedition I sold this year. In the end I keep going back to drops, so that should tell you something about my ultimate preference. BTW, if you like the general shape of a B17 but need the cushion of springs, try a Champion Flyer. It's basically a sprung B17. Good luck! Bill On May 2, 6:40 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Yea..I tipped the angle down a bit more for a non-tweaked wrist and it seems to help but I only rode it about a mile. I don't notice discomfort unless I am riding more than about ten miles. I think I may use a more padded tape and I may try a shorter taller stem but then I'd have to change out my cables and housing again since I have them pretty ideal now. I do like how the bike handles in short 5 mile commutes in town and that is what I will primarily do with it. Occasionally I have to ride all the way home though and that puts me at 20+ miles so I hope I can get comfortable enough. I'm wondering if any of you use a B67 or a B68 with a mustache bar and if you think it results in more comfort or is the position too stretched out and bent over for that. I've been unable to get comfortable on my B17's lately as I think I have bruised my tailbone on the rough roads. My one bike that has the properly set albatross bars and a B67 seems really comfortable and I want to get similar comfort on my main ride. Any experiences you all can offer with this combo would be enlightening I'm sure. On May 2, 7:16 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 5/2/09 6:56 AM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a significant difference. Mine is set up lower and more forward than it probably should be, but it was a comfortable addition to the bike it's on. But I recall at least three rides where I was messing with the angle before finding that spot. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! -http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Steel's what you want for a messenger bike. Weight. Big basket up front. Not cardboard with some crazy aramid shit wrapped around it, weighs about as much as a sandwich. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Nathan, If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little soreness might not be too unexpected. I'd say keep the Noodles for now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter before swapping bars. The Moustache is not likely to be the quick cure for you. Careful saddle positioning may actually help. I'm sure Mark got it close, but close may not be perfect. Saddle height, tilt and fore-aft position are interdependent, and getting them all right can take a little while. Use a level, tape measure and plumb bob to track your changes, the adjustments can be too small to eyeball. Moving the nose up or down as little as 1/16 can be felt, saddle height adjustments of 1/8 likewise! The plumb bob is to check setback, the horizontal distance from the saddle nose to the center of the BB. The sweet spot will change a bit as the leather saddle ages, so you'll need to tinker some to get it right. The next step would be to see if your current stem should be shorter and/or taller. As I said above, I went to an 8 cm stem and swapped my Noodle bar for a bar with less forward reach and less drop on my Riv Road. The reduced reach to the brake hoods took a lot of load off of my arms and back. Unfortunately I don't know of any silver short- reach drops, so the Riv now has an ugly black painted bar (Ritchie Biomax - nice tops and ramps, don't much like the drop sction). Worse yet, the bar with the bend I'd really like to use (3T Ergosum) only comes with a 31.8 clamp, which would mean a black threadless stem and a threaded to threadless adapter post, and I don't think I'd want to do that to my Rivendell! Bill On May 2, 10:55 am, nathan nath...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info. I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20 mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much / tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new bars and see if they make a difference on long rides. Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/3492115283/. You can see my bars are just about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…). I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar. -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Mustache bars are great - especially off road and handy in harder efforts where you might lean more on your legs and want a wide, low position. I've seen 'em set up high with a Dirt Drop stem, and that looks pretty comfortable. But I like to ride on the ends and up at the bends when I'm really pushing the bike. Currently, I have my Rawland set up with them - like David - stem even with the saddle and ends about 3cm below: http://tinyurl.com/d955e9 Albatross bars and B66/B67 for upright comfort, joy riding! Noodles for all-around comfort, harder efforts, On May 3, 7:25 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Nathan, If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little soreness might not be too unexpected. I'd say keep the Noodles for now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter before swapping bars. The Moustache is not likely to be the quick cure for you. Careful saddle positioning may actually help. I'm sure Mark got it close, but close may not be perfect. Saddle height, tilt and fore-aft position are interdependent, and getting them all right can take a little while. Use a level, tape measure and plumb bob to track your changes, the adjustments can be too small to eyeball. Moving the nose up or down as little as 1/16 can be felt, saddle height adjustments of 1/8 likewise! The plumb bob is to check setback, the horizontal distance from the saddle nose to the center of the BB. The sweet spot will change a bit as the leather saddle ages, so you'll need to tinker some to get it right. The next step would be to see if your current stem should be shorter and/or taller. As I said above, I went to an 8 cm stem and swapped my Noodle bar for a bar with less forward reach and less drop on my Riv Road. The reduced reach to the brake hoods took a lot of load off of my arms and back. Unfortunately I don't know of any silver short- reach drops, so the Riv now has an ugly black painted bar (Ritchie Biomax - nice tops and ramps, don't much like the drop sction). Worse yet, the bar with the bend I'd really like to use (3T Ergosum) only comes with a 31.8 clamp, which would mean a black threadless stem and a threaded to threadless adapter post, and I don't think I'd want to do that to my Rivendell! Bill On May 2, 10:55 am, nathan nath...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info. I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20 mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much / tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new bars and see if they make a difference on long rides. Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/3492115283/. You can see my bars are just about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…). I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar. -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
That's a nice m'bar offroad setup! That long head tube really helps get the bars up where they belong. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3567/3380067941_d71bda2892_b.jpg Bill On May 3, 7:59 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Mustache bars are great - especially off road and handy in harder efforts where you might lean more on your legs and want a wide, low position. I've seen 'em set up high with a Dirt Drop stem, and that looks pretty comfortable. But I like to ride on the ends and up at the bends when I'm really pushing the bike. Currently, I have my Rawland set up with them - like David - stem even with the saddle and ends about 3cm below: http://tinyurl.com/d955e9 Albatross bars and B66/B67 for upright comfort, joy riding! Noodles for all-around comfort, harder efforts, On May 3, 7:25 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Nathan, If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little soreness might not be too unexpected. I'd say keep the Noodles for now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter before swapping bars. The Moustache is not likely to be the quick cure for you. Careful saddle positioning may actually help. I'm sure Mark got it close, but close may not be perfect. Saddle height, tilt and fore-aft position are interdependent, and getting them all right can take a little while. Use a level, tape measure and plumb bob to track your changes, the adjustments can be too small to eyeball. Moving the nose up or down as little as 1/16 can be felt, saddle height adjustments of 1/8 likewise! The plumb bob is to check setback, the horizontal distance from the saddle nose to the center of the BB. The sweet spot will change a bit as the leather saddle ages, so you'll need to tinker some to get it right. The next step would be to see if your current stem should be shorter and/or taller. As I said above, I went to an 8 cm stem and swapped my Noodle bar for a bar with less forward reach and less drop on my Riv Road. The reduced reach to the brake hoods took a lot of load off of my arms and back. Unfortunately I don't know of any silver short- reach drops, so the Riv now has an ugly black painted bar (Ritchie Biomax - nice tops and ramps, don't much like the drop sction). Worse yet, the bar with the bend I'd really like to use (3T Ergosum) only comes with a 31.8 clamp, which would mean a black threadless stem and a threaded to threadless adapter post, and I don't think I'd want to do that to my Rivendell! Bill On May 2, 10:55 am, nathan nath...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info. I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20 mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much / tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new bars and see if they make a difference on long rides. Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/3492115283/. You can see my bars are just about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…). I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar. -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
on 5/3/09 7:25 AM, Bill M. at bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little soreness might not be too unexpected. I'd say keep the Noodles for now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter before swapping bars. The Moustache is not likely to be the quick cure for you. Yeah. That's a non-inconsequential jump. More than doubled the amount of saddle time, I'd guess. 10-30% increases are about the sweet spot for me. Also, not to divert into a new thread, but for me, about 99.9% of low back pain is related to stomach muscles. If I'm not doing core work, my low back starts to feel it. Cycling does nothing directly for the core muscles, and the longer the ride, the more load gets picked up by the low back. Some crunches, certain yoga poses, leg lifts, ab machine, etc. are all a good thing. Even riding with an awareness and tightening your midsection can help. Insert wide-ranging warnings about be careful when you start and watch your neck here. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a significant difference. What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal. Isn't that right, Jim? Patrick that's how I like them, anyway Moore --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
On May 3, 12:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a significant difference. What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal. Isn't that right, Jim? Patrick that's how I like them, anyway Moore I don't! IME the ends need to be below the hoods, and it took a while to find just the right angle. Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: On May 3, 12:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a significant difference. What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal. Isn't that right, Jim? Patrick that's how I like them, anyway Moore I don't! IME the ends need to be below the hoods, and it took a while to find just the right angle. Heretic! The ends of bars ought always to be plane-level with the ground. Amen. Patrick ask me if I have any other opinions Moore, who really does find hooks and M bars and, when he used them, even mtb bar bar ends, more comfortable perfectly level. (But who in reality has enough good sense to realize that other people have other preferences and can't all live up to his standardss.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
on 5/3/09 12:46 PM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a significant difference. What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal. Isn't that right, Jim? Nope. Found I had to drop them slightly for a comfortable wrist angle. Seems to work better for climbing, too. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
I run M-bars w/ a 2cm shorter stem extension. Same height as with other bars. The position on the very ends definitely gives you a different position that drops can't provide. It's lower than the stem (~2cm) but maybe 4cm closer to you: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2536686586/in/set-72157605369032545/ Worth a try, but I would recommend getting a shorter stem to go with it as well. Cheers, DE On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Nathan, Not to be discouraging, but IMO a Moustache bar will not necessarily give you a more upright position. If you use the same stem, the wide grips of the 'stash will actually be lower than the ramps of the Noodle, the forward section will be pretty far forward, and you won't have the tops to let you sit up at all. Grant used to recommend using a stem maybe 4 cm shorter with a Moustache than with a drop bar. I find I need a Moustache to be set both close and well above saddle height, and it still works best for me when riding briskly. I like it for a while, but gravitate back to a drop bar when I start to miss having the tops. Mine is in the spare parts bin for now, but I'm sure I'll try it again on some bike or another. How high are your Noodles set now? You might consider using a taller and/or shorter stem with the Noodles first, like a Technomic or a Dirt Drop. You'll probably want a stem like that anyway if you ever convert to a moustache. On my Riv Road, I went from a 10 cm stem to an 8, then went from a Noodle to a bar with less forward reach. Overall the hoods moved about 4 cm closer to the saddle, and I was more comfortable on the bike. Of course, I'm 50 years old, and 20 pounds heavier and somewhat less flexible than I was when I bought the bike 14 years ago! Oh, and don't forget, a 25.4 Moustache (like mine) with a shim will work fine, too. Riv sells the Nitto steel shim, or you can get 0.010 brass shim stock at the hardware store and that works fine, too. And if you really want upright, skip the Moustache and try an Albatross instead. Bill On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp size). Let me know if you've got one for sale! -nathan -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
on 5/2/09 6:56 AM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a significant difference. Mine is set up lower and more forward than it probably should be, but it was a comfortable addition to the bike it's on. But I recall at least three rides where I was messing with the angle before finding that spot. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Steel's what you want for a messenger bike. Weight. Big basket up front. Not cardboard with some crazy aramid shit wrapped around it, weighs about as much as a sandwich. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
FWIW, I have the clamp level with my seat, so the ends are probably 3cm below that... YMMV On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:56 AM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. In town the bar was great with good braking control and a stable feel. I have one other bike with an albatross bar and a B67 that is simply the most comfortable bike I own. I remain frustrated and $100 poorer. As one other poster said I am 50 and overweight so perhaps there is nothing that will give me comfort for rides over about 15 miles. On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp size). Let me know if you've got one for sale! -nathan -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
http://tinyurl.com/cvxduy My current M-bar setup. Far less neat looking than the traditional setup, but is much more upright and I find comfortable. David Estes wrote: FWIW, I have the clamp level with my seat, so the ends are probably 3cm below that... YMMV On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:56 AM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com mailto:charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. In town the bar was great with good braking control and a stable feel. I have one other bike with an albatross bar and a B67 that is simply the most comfortable bike I own. I remain frustrated and $100 poorer. As one other poster said I am 50 and overweight so perhaps there is nothing that will give me comfort for rides over about 15 miles. On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com mailto:nath...@gmail.com wrote: After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp size). Let me know if you've got one for sale! -nathan -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
This is the image of the rider getting aero on moustache bars: http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/images/xo1-rba-8-91.jpg It's pineapple bob, who worked at bstone, was featured in many bstone catalogs, and still works at RBW. On May 2, 6:55 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: The mustache affords a surprisingly aero position when laying flat on it as well. It's easy to get over 40 mph on a downhill with mustahce bars around here. Actually easier than on my noodle equipped bikes. The posture takes little time to get used to. There's a picture of a racer doing just this in a Bridgestone catalog. I can't remember where i saw it. I think the rider in that photo later worked/still works? at RBW. From: Len Lescosky 172tur...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 8:33:16 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar Oooo, the moustache bar debate. I've had a moustache bar on my Heron Touring since I bought it, which was 1997 or 1998, and I've loved it. Primarily I ride this bike to commute to work or for shopping. It's an intown bike that I usually ride twenty or fewer miles on an outing. I've also put fatter tires on it and ridden fire roads and single track. I love the bar on this bike, it is perfect. So perfect that I've tried the moustache on other road bikes and could not make it work. I never could decide what it was about the set up on the other bikes that was wrong. I tried to get the handlebar and saddle positions the same, but still it didn't work. It just did not seem balanced. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Yes, that's it. Thanks Jeremy. I've bookmarked the link. I actually can lay right down on the bar for a downhill, but have no pics :) From: Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 10:46:44 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar This is the image of the rider getting aero on moustache bars: http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/images/xo1-rba-8-91.jpg It's pineapple bob, who worked at bstone, was featured in many bstone catalogs, and still works at RBW. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
I bought a too small AllRounder back in '96. http://tinyurl.com/cuuynn (I was thinking off-road use when buying the 58cm, but later Grant put me on a 61.5cm road frame, to give you some idea of how too small it is.) I put mustache bars on it that ended up being 3 inches below the saddle with a Pearl stem. After a few years I decided I hated mustache bars (duh!). Maybe I would like them at or above saddle height, but I am not trying again. Besides my wrong placement, I missed the top flats. But that is not why I am writing. When I rode the mustache, I often just lightly rested my hands on the tops of the bars or the brake levers, not hooking a thumb or finger underneath as I do when riding drops or flat bars. This was fine for years. But one day, in the summer of 1997, I saw a shapely young cyclist up the road. So of course I accelerated to overtake. I failed to notice a speed bump, and as I hit it, my hands flew off the bars and off I went the front end of the bike. The too low bars put a dent in the top tube. The road scraped lots of flesh off my left arm. The impact broke both cups of the ends of the radius (or ulna, I don't know which is what in my forearm) of my right arm. It hurt like hell to ride back home, and for a month thereafter. The arm pops on rare occasion to this day when I straighten my arm (calcium buildup along the cup crack?). So the moral of this story is something like, not to stay away from the mustache, but keep your hormones in check, or keep your thumb hooked under your mustache, or maybe both! On May 1, 7:27 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp size). Let me know if you've got one for sale! -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Yea..I tipped the angle down a bit more for a non-tweaked wrist and it seems to help but I only rode it about a mile. I don't notice discomfort unless I am riding more than about ten miles. I think I may use a more padded tape and I may try a shorter taller stem but then I'd have to change out my cables and housing again since I have them pretty ideal now. I do like how the bike handles in short 5 mile commutes in town and that is what I will primarily do with it. Occasionally I have to ride all the way home though and that puts me at 20+ miles so I hope I can get comfortable enough. I'm wondering if any of you use a B67 or a B68 with a mustache bar and if you think it results in more comfort or is the position too stretched out and bent over for that. I've been unable to get comfortable on my B17's lately as I think I have bruised my tailbone on the rough roads. My one bike that has the properly set albatross bars and a B67 seems really comfortable and I want to get similar comfort on my main ride. Any experiences you all can offer with this combo would be enlightening I'm sure. On May 2, 7:16 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 5/2/09 6:56 AM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a significant difference. Mine is set up lower and more forward than it probably should be, but it was a comfortable addition to the bike it's on. But I recall at least three rides where I was messing with the angle before finding that spot. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! -http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Steel's what you want for a messenger bike. Weight. Big basket up front. Not cardboard with some crazy aramid shit wrapped around it, weighs about as much as a sandwich. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info. I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20 mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much / tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new bars and see if they make a difference on long rides. Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: http:// www.flickr.com/photos/natan/3492115283/. You can see my bars are just about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…). I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar. -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Maybe it was just the extra distance and it wouldn't matter what kind of bars you had. If you want to be more upright, Albatross bars are a better bet than M-bars. I don't feel much/any more upright with them than with Dirt Drops, and miss the drop position on longer rides. Cheers, DE On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM, nathan nath...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info. I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20 mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much / tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new bars and see if they make a difference on long rides. Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: http:// www.flickr.com/photos/natan/3492115283/. You can see my bars are just about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…). I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar. -nathan -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
I've had a set of the Mustache handlebars on my Schwinn Paramount for a number of years. I purchased them before Rivendell was founded from a local (Tucson) Bridgestone bicycle dealer, after Grant had designed his iconic XO-1. Here's a photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3494987260/ I ran this bicycle, during this period, for a time with a set of the older Nitto handlebars that Grant recommended before introducing the Dream bars (they're the Nitto Model 185). For rides of moderate distance, especially along bike paths or in town, I think Mustache bars work quite well. I usually ride with my hands gripping the bars right at the bends or resting on top of the gummed hoods. Occasionally I do use the hand position at the ends of the bars, but not frequently. For rides of a longer distance (e.g. 20 miles), I don't particularly recommend a Mustache bar. I think a conventional drop bar works better. The thing I miss most with a Mustache bar is the position afforded with a normal drop bar gripping the bars close to the stem. This position really is not available for a Mustache bar. My two cents. Jim On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp size). Let me know if you've got one for sale! -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
Nathan, Not to be discouraging, but IMO a Moustache bar will not necessarily give you a more upright position. If you use the same stem, the wide grips of the 'stash will actually be lower than the ramps of the Noodle, the forward section will be pretty far forward, and you won't have the tops to let you sit up at all. Grant used to recommend using a stem maybe 4 cm shorter with a Moustache than with a drop bar. I find I need a Moustache to be set both close and well above saddle height, and it still works best for me when riding briskly. I like it for a while, but gravitate back to a drop bar when I start to miss having the tops. Mine is in the spare parts bin for now, but I'm sure I'll try it again on some bike or another. How high are your Noodles set now? You might consider using a taller and/or shorter stem with the Noodles first, like a Technomic or a Dirt Drop. You'll probably want a stem like that anyway if you ever convert to a moustache. On my Riv Road, I went from a 10 cm stem to an 8, then went from a Noodle to a bar with less forward reach. Overall the hoods moved about 4 cm closer to the saddle, and I was more comfortable on the bike. Of course, I'm 50 years old, and 20 pounds heavier and somewhat less flexible than I was when I bought the bike 14 years ago! Oh, and don't forget, a 25.4 Moustache (like mine) with a shim will work fine, too. Riv sells the Nitto steel shim, or you can get 0.010 brass shim stock at the hardware store and that works fine, too. And if you really want upright, skip the Moustache and try an Albatross instead. Bill On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp size). Let me know if you've got one for sale! -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
