Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Peter Adler]

I bought a few of the excellent VAR tools recently from Chuck Davis 
, from the iBOB/CR groups. He has a stash left 
over from his now-closed shop in Oklahoma; he may still have 
garage-cluttering inventory he'd like to move out.

Peter "the Kool-Stop tire jacks and Crank Brothers Speedier tool work 
pretty good too, but the VAR is lighter" Adler
who just flatted his pack mule an hour ago, and so will have to test tools 
again in
Berkeley, CA/USA 

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-8 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> the answer is:
>
> the VAR tire tool.
>
> hard/impossible to find in North America.
>
> so i ordered a dozen here 
>
> https://tinyurl.com/yckr6ksm
>
> great stocking stuffers or giveaways
>
> peter stock
> toronto canada
>
> On Sun., Dec. 5, 2021, 8:06 p.m. Ben Adrian,  wrote:
>
>> I'm a pretty handy home mechanic and have never had tire mounting 
>> problems until now.
>> I've had fine luck with Bontrager, Reynolds, DT 411, DT Spline, WTB, 
>> Pacenti, HED, etc.
>>
>> This DT 1.1 rim seems to have almost no center channel it's pretty much 
>> straight across. I've never seen anything like it. General internet chatter 
>> seems to mention the difficulty of mounting tires on these 1.1 rims. The 
>> Open Pro is difficult, but doable. The DT seems to have problems with any 
>> tires that are made to tubeless compatible specs.
>>
>> My main concern is just being stranded. When I got the bike it took two 
>> tire levers and a screwdriver to remove the Schwalbe tires that came on it. 
>> I know that was bad form, but I had no other options at the moment. If I 
>> got a front flat even with the tires I have on the rims now, I still don't 
>> think I'd be able to fix it on the road. To further the story, I then put 
>> those Schwalbe tires right on my Pacenti Forza rims by hand and with zero 
>> problems.
>>
>> My only other thought is to check overall tension of the wheel. I've 
>> radially trued many wheels. Maybe it just needs to be pulled in all 
>> around... which also seems like a bad idea.
>>
>> Anyway, that's my story.
>> Thanks everyone.
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be 
>>> an insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my 
>>> new wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for 
>>> some reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and 
>>> reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center 
>>> the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to 
>>> mount/dismount. 
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty 
 can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down 
 to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I 
 changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it 
 and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a 
 slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the 
 middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than 
 the bead shelf.  

 Here's some videos that show it. 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling 
 Network,
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
 Velcoity\ 

 On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for 
> the rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to 
> run 
> 35mm tires.
>
> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for 
> rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right 
> now 
> it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I 
> should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these 
> rims. 
> Also, is there anything else I should check out?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Peter Stock]

the answer is:

the VAR tire tool.

hard/impossible to find in North America.

so i ordered a dozen here

https://tinyurl.com/yckr6ksm

great stocking stuffers or giveaways

peter stock
toronto canada

On Sun., Dec. 5, 2021, 8:06 p.m. Ben Adrian,  wrote:

> I'm a pretty handy home mechanic and have never had tire mounting problems
> until now.
> I've had fine luck with Bontrager, Reynolds, DT 411, DT Spline, WTB,
> Pacenti, HED, etc.
>
> This DT 1.1 rim seems to have almost no center channel it's pretty much
> straight across. I've never seen anything like it. General internet chatter
> seems to mention the difficulty of mounting tires on these 1.1 rims. The
> Open Pro is difficult, but doable. The DT seems to have problems with any
> tires that are made to tubeless compatible specs.
>
> My main concern is just being stranded. When I got the bike it took two
> tire levers and a screwdriver to remove the Schwalbe tires that came on it.
> I know that was bad form, but I had no other options at the moment. If I
> got a front flat even with the tires I have on the rims now, I still don't
> think I'd be able to fix it on the road. To further the story, I then put
> those Schwalbe tires right on my Pacenti Forza rims by hand and with zero
> problems.
>
> My only other thought is to check overall tension of the wheel. I've
> radially trued many wheels. Maybe it just needs to be pulled in all
> around... which also seems like a bad idea.
>
> Anyway, that's my story.
> Thanks everyone.
> Ben
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be
>> an insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my
>> new wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for
>> some reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and
>> reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center
>> the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to
>> mount/dismount.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty
>>> can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down
>>> to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I
>>> changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it
>>> and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a
>>> slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the
>>> middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than
>>> the bead shelf.
>>>
>>> Here's some videos that show it.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling
>>> Network,
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @
>>> Velcoity\
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!

 I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the
 rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY
 difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run
 35mm tires.

 I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for
 rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now
 it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I
 should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims.
 Also, is there anything else I should check out?

 Cheers!
 Ben

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Ben Adrian]

I'm a pretty handy home mechanic and have never had tire mounting problems 
until now.
I've had fine luck with Bontrager, Reynolds, DT 411, DT Spline, WTB, 
Pacenti, HED, etc.

This DT 1.1 rim seems to have almost no center channel it's pretty much 
straight across. I've never seen anything like it. General internet chatter 
seems to mention the difficulty of mounting tires on these 1.1 rims. The 
Open Pro is difficult, but doable. The DT seems to have problems with any 
tires that are made to tubeless compatible specs.

My main concern is just being stranded. When I got the bike it took two 
tire levers and a screwdriver to remove the Schwalbe tires that came on it. 
I know that was bad form, but I had no other options at the moment. If I 
got a front flat even with the tires I have on the rims now, I still don't 
think I'd be able to fix it on the road. To further the story, I then put 
those Schwalbe tires right on my Pacenti Forza rims by hand and with zero 
problems.

My only other thought is to check overall tension of the wheel. I've 
radially trued many wheels. Maybe it just needs to be pulled in all 
around... which also seems like a bad idea.

Anyway, that's my story.
Thanks everyone.
Ben


On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be 
> an insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my 
> new wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for 
> some reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and 
> reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center 
> the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to 
> mount/dismount. 
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty 
>> can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down 
>> to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I 
>> changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it 
>> and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a 
>> slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the 
>> middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than 
>> the bead shelf.  
>>
>> Here's some videos that show it. 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling Network,
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
>> Velcoity\ 
>>
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all!
>>>
>>> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
>>> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
>>> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
>>> 35mm tires.
>>>
>>> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for 
>>> rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now 
>>> it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I 
>>> should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. 
>>> Also, is there anything else I should check out?
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Jeremy Till]

As others have pointed out, there are ways to try to make mounting a tire 
easier, and if your main goal is a wider tire, there is absolutely no 
problem with putting a 35mm tire on a rim the width of the open pro. On my 
Rambouillet I've maximized the tire size by running Paul Racer M brakes and 
700x40 nominal (37.5mm actual) tires. A 35mm tire would be a great setup, I 
think, and a good balance between tire volume and clearance. Picture 
here: https://flic.kr/p/2kSZxh9 

My rims are Velocity Aeroheads, which are very close in width to Open Pros 
and DT RR 1.1's, if memory serves correctly. I don't experience any 
handling issues with the wide tire/narrow rim combination. I run the 
pressures 40 psi front/55 psi rear, and I've weighed between 225 and 235 
lbs with this setup.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
> 35mm tires.
>
> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for rims 
> that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now it 
> seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I should 
> be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. Also, 
> is there anything else I should check out?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Matt Beecher]

I had issues with a rim recently and determined it was the cotton tape.  I 
switched to use the blue tape (Velocity?) that Riv sells and the rims were 
manageable again.  I don't recall the rim brand though, so I apologize for 
that lack of information. 

I have a wheel that came with veloplugs and found those suitable as well.  

Best regards,
Matt B in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[lconley]

I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be an 
insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my new 
wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for some 
reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and 
reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center 
the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to 
mount/dismount. 

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty 
> can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down 
> to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I 
> changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it 
> and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a 
> slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the 
> middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than 
> the bead shelf.  
>
> Here's some videos that show it. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling Network,
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
> Velcoity\ 
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
>> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
>> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
>> 35mm tires.
>>
>> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for 
>> rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now 
>> it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I 
>> should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. 
>> Also, is there anything else I should check out?
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Garth]

Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty can 
be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down to 
technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I changed 
to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it and comes 
in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a slight 
overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the middle 
groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than the bead 
shelf.  

Here's some videos that show it. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling Network,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
Velcoity\ 

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
> 35mm tires.
>
> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for rims 
> that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now it 
> seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I should 
> be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. Also, 
> is there anything else I should check out?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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