[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[iamkeith]

Sorry for causing the thread drift.  Problems in Denver are multi-faceted.  
There's a big organized crime problem, targeting high-end bikes.  
Geographic location combined with a population that prioritizes outdoor 
recreation, combined with top-down law enforcement directives have made it 
a lucrative epicenter for bicyclre-specific crime.  But there's also a big 
and growing problem with smaller-scale, local property crimes.  Politics, 
funding  and the inability or unwillingness to prosecute means that thieves 
operate with no fear.  Problems exploded after the Pandemic.   I don't 
think the current economic situation is going to help. 

Giant chop-shops are set up in the open;  clothes-lines are strung across 
bike paths, more and more homeless camps filled with bikes, brash daylight 
lock cutting, scaling multi-floor apartment buildings to take bikes off of 
porches; private garages are scoped out and targeted in the upper-end 
neighborhoods.   Many of the brand new, still-unfilled urban center condo 
and mixed use developments are plummeting in value as residents try to 
unload and flee.  There are literally hundreds of bike thefts a day at 
times.  It's still a fun place to explore by bike, but you have to be 
smart.  You can't, for instance, sit at outdoor bistro seating in the 
cherry creek neighborhood with your bike unlocked 10 feet away in a bike 
rack, because someone will grab it and be gone before you can hop over a 
rope to catch them.  And I mentioned the REI parking lot, right?  An 
unattended bike on a car rack won't last more than a minute there.  You 
still see thousands of bikes in places like the RINO district, but I think 
they're mostly beaters, and even those get stolen.  Ask me how I know 
:-(

I hear catalytic converters are becoming more popular, so maybe that'll 
take some pressure off of bikes.
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:36:16 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

>
> https://www.5280.com/2022/07/inside-the-organized-crime-ring-that-stole-nearly-1-million-worth-of-bikes-from-denver-retailers/
>
>
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Hey Keith,
>> I am not familiar with the situation in Denver. Can you provide some more 
>> context? Is it a major theft problem or is there some even larger issue? 
>> Are u-locks sufficient, or are angle grinders so common that there's really 
>> nowhere safe to leave a bike? Why Denver?
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> FWIW - I'm surprised bike theft isn't a bigger problem here in NW 
>> Arkansas where bikes somewhat more expensive than Rivendell's get left 
>> unlocked for hours at a time. I reckon there isn't a good way to move them 
>> and the population is too small to hide easily.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
>>> so they have to cancel.
>>>
>>> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, 
>>> because I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>>>
>>> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
>>> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
>>> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
>>> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
>>> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
>>> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
>>> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>>>
 Hi, all—  

A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
 NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
 facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
 online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
 schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
 have any more information about this event?

Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!

 —Kurt in Sioux Falls

>>>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[George Schick]

https://www.5280.com/2022/07/inside-the-organized-crime-ring-that-stole-nearly-1-million-worth-of-bikes-from-denver-retailers/


On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Hey Keith,
> I am not familiar with the situation in Denver. Can you provide some more 
> context? Is it a major theft problem or is there some even larger issue? 
> Are u-locks sufficient, or are angle grinders so common that there's really 
> nowhere safe to leave a bike? Why Denver?
>
> Paul in AR
>
> FWIW - I'm surprised bike theft isn't a bigger problem here in NW Arkansas 
> where bikes somewhat more expensive than Rivendell's get left unlocked for 
> hours at a time. I reckon there isn't a good way to move them and the 
> population is too small to hide easily.
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
>> so they have to cancel.
>>
>> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, 
>> because I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>>
>> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
>> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
>> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
>> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
>> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
>> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
>> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all—  
>>>
>>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>>> have any more information about this event?
>>>
>>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>>
>>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Keith,
I am not familiar with the situation in Denver. Can you provide some more 
context? Is it a major theft problem or is there some even larger issue? 
Are u-locks sufficient, or are angle grinders so common that there's really 
nowhere safe to leave a bike? Why Denver?

Paul in AR

FWIW - I'm surprised bike theft isn't a bigger problem here in NW Arkansas 
where bikes somewhat more expensive than Rivendell's get left unlocked for 
hours at a time. I reckon there isn't a good way to move them and the 
population is too small to hide easily.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
> so they have to cancel.
>
> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because 
> I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>
> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>
>> Hi, all—  
>>
>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>> have any more information about this event?
>>
>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>
>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Kurt Griffin]

> John Moore : Jul 20 11:45AM -0400
> 
> On another site, it has been reported that the organizer of NAHBS had
> fallen quite ill and unable to pull together the event this year. In a note
> he sent to exhibitors, he also stated that there was not enough exhibitor
> interest to make a go of it.
>  
> Keep fingers crossed for next yr

Thank you all very much for the information.  Best wishes to Organizer John, 
and we’ll hope for next year.  

—Kurt

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Joe Bunik]

On 7/20/22, iamkeith  wrote:
> Looks like John posted a "real" answer at the same time as I was posting a
> snarky one.  That's too bad, sorry to hear.  Hope the Organizer recovers
> and gets well.
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:53:01 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen,
>> so they have to cancel.
>>
>> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because
>>
>> I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.
>>
>> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in
>> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even
>> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30
>> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even
>>
>> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI
>> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in
>>
>> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all—
>>>
>>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the
>>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last
>>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references
>>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their
>>>
>>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone
>>>
>>> have any more information about this event?
>>>
>>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>>
>>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>>
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[iamkeith]

Looks like John posted a "real" answer at the same time as I was posting a 
snarky one.  That's too bad, sorry to hear.  Hope the Organizer recovers 
and gets well.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:53:01 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
> so they have to cancel.
>
> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because 
> I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>
> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>
>> Hi, all—  
>>
>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>> have any more information about this event?
>>
>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>
>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[iamkeith]

Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, so 
they have to cancel.

Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because 
I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  

In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:

> Hi, all—  
>
>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
> have any more information about this event?
>
>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>
> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[John Moore]

On another site, it has been reported that the organizer of NAHBS had
fallen quite ill and unable to pull together the event this year. In a note
he sent to exhibitors, he also stated that there was not enough exhibitor
interest to make a go of it.

Keep fingers crossed for next yr

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 2:40 AM Wesley  wrote:

> I found the website for the National Western Complex, and the show doesn't
> appear in their online schedule. I'm not sure what's going on. One of the
> Facebook posts does list a phone number for Don, if you feel like calling
> him to ask.
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> The January update is pinned so it will stay at the top of their page. If
>> you scroll past it, there are plenty more updates (the most recent one is
>> July 6). Just browsing the Facebook page, I see that there's a video where
>> the organizer (it looks like Don organizes the show all by himself) was in
>> the hospital for a coronary embolism in May. So that probably explains the
>> slack organization this year. Anyway, the video from June 13 says the show
>> is at the National Western Complex. Hope this helps, and have fun!
>> -W
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:11:52 PM UTC-7 K Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all—
>>>
>>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the
>>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last
>>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references
>>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their
>>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone
>>> have any more information about this event?
>>>
>>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>>
>>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>>
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Wesley]

I found the website for the National Western Complex, and the show doesn't 
appear in their online schedule. I'm not sure what's going on. One of the 
Facebook posts does list a phone number for Don, if you feel like calling 
him to ask.
-W

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> The January update is pinned so it will stay at the top of their page. If 
> you scroll past it, there are plenty more updates (the most recent one is 
> July 6). Just browsing the Facebook page, I see that there's a video where 
> the organizer (it looks like Don organizes the show all by himself) was in 
> the hospital for a coronary embolism in May. So that probably explains the 
> slack organization this year. Anyway, the video from June 13 says the show 
> is at the National Western Complex. Hope this helps, and have fun!
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:11:52 PM UTC-7 K Griffin wrote:
>
>> Hi, all—  
>>
>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>> have any more information about this event?
>>
>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>
>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Wesley]

The January update is pinned so it will stay at the top of their page. If 
you scroll past it, there are plenty more updates (the most recent one is 
July 6). Just browsing the Facebook page, I see that there's a video where 
the organizer (it looks like Don organizes the show all by himself) was in 
the hospital for a coronary embolism in May. So that probably explains the 
slack organization this year. Anyway, the video from June 13 says the show 
is at the National Western Complex. Hope this helps, and have fun!
-W

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:11:52 PM UTC-7 K Griffin wrote:

> Hi, all—  
>
>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
> have any more information about this event?
>
>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>
> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>

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