Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[David Stein]

Close, T430!  It's my wife's work laptop and I had to go check. who knew
she's a true BOB!

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:54 PM, sameness  wrote:

> T420?
>
> Pre-Chiclet KB Lenovos are my idea of a true BOB-ish laptop.
>
> Jeff "Typed from a T410" Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 5:39:02 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, probably not the best pic, but there's ample room in here with
>> this 14" Lenovo with an extended battery sticking out, sleeve is behind the
>> laptop
>>
>> [image: image1.JPG]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[sameness]

T420? 

Pre-Chiclet KB Lenovos are my idea of a true BOB-ish laptop.

Jeff "Typed from a T410" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 5:39:02 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Sorry, probably not the best pic, but there's ample room in here with this 
> 14" Lenovo with an extended battery sticking out, sleeve is behind the 
> laptop
>
> [image: image1.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[davecstein]

Sorry, probably not the best pic, but there's ample room in here with this 14" 
Lenovo with an extended battery sticking out, sleeve is behind the laptop



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> On Feb 13, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Keith: The Bontrager has a 1" threadless fork, but I'm happily using a spacer 
> to get a 1 1/8" stem to fit. Far easier than trying to track down the right 
> length and rise in 1".
> 
> Dave (Stein): Good to know that the jumbo does hold a 15". Would you be kind 
> enough to post a photo of the thick 14" inside the main compartment? My 
> new-to-me-but-2014-model-year Macbook Pro is pretty thin, and measures about 
> 14 1/3" side to side. I don't mind the sleeve not fitting, as it will serve 
> instead as a divider for papers and what have you. (I'll still sew on a waist 
> strap, though.)
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 5:21 PM, dstein  wrote:
>> No comment on the stem but I did pick up a jumbo grabsack a few weeks ago 
>> and love it. There is a sewn in sleeve on the inside which holds my 13" mac 
>> but does not fit my wife's 14" lenovo (which is pretty thick). That being 
>> said, there is ample room outside of the sewn in sleeve where the 14" lenovo 
>> fits fine and I imagine a 15" would fit, it just wouldn't be nice and snug 
>> like as if in the sleeve thing.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 4:04:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp. That's 
>>> usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with the 
>>> one that's on there now. Whatcha got?
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[RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[iamkeith]

David,  you're a damn encyclopedia of obscure-but-valuable parts sources, 
sometimes!

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 8:03:27 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Here you go: http://store.fairweather.cc/store/p35/NITTO__MCR65_STEM_.html

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[RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Grant @ Rivendell]

We have considered the re-muv-a-plate and have not totally rejected it. I 
think I'm the only one here who has any misgivings at all, but I'm also the 
one who'd get in trouble if Joe Blow blew it with the bolts and got 
hurt--and tragically, that influences things, sometimes. I feel an emoticon 
coming on! Anyway, the stem is best used when converting a too-small bike 
with drops or straight bars, to an Albatross or Choco bar. Maybe Alba if a 
road bike, or Choco-with-its-greater-sweep if a mountain bike---and in 
either case, those bars won't need changing :). <--is that right?
NITTO does some r-plate stems, and reports that the vertical slot isn't as 
strong as a horizontal slot, and that becomes an issue with wider bars and 
mountain bars. A 42cm drop bar doesn't leverage the clamp as much as a 55cm 
wide-y. All these things the tests reveal that rides don't, but that we, as 
kind of gatekeepers for your safety, have to watch out for.

Many things related to bike set up and component use and correctness that 
may seem obvious to 99 percent of you reading this, are not to be taken for 
granted among the population as a whole, by which I include and am only 
really talking about OUR customers. I think our customer have more than 
average bike smarts, but as the years pass the number of bikes and parts 
we've put out there climbs, and ownership passes to eBay customer and so 
on...and it doesn't mean we have to ultra-dumb down our stuff, it just 
means we have to chew on things longer before doing 'em.

The Jumbo Grabsack...I'll try my old 15-er in it and report. That computer 
died, but it has a great Sheldon sticker on it, so I keep it around. 
Anyway, not to bring up THIS again, but I have been known to tote a laptop 
around in a Saddlesack LIKE EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE, and a 13er in El Jumbo 
fits into a MED..but a 15er won't. It'd go into a large, though.

High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the 
> clamp with a removable face plate!
>
> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13" 
> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
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[RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[iamkeith]

Patrick, 

For what it's worth, I have used and/or am still using about a half dozen 
of the old Ritchey Force stems which, as Kieran noted, are similar to this 
stem in that they have no removable face plate AND have a broader, 
squared-off, mtb style clamp area (as opposed to the road/drop bar style 
with the clipped bottom corners).  And some old steel salsa stems too, 
which have  a similar shape clamp area.   

I've been able to fit pretty much any handlebar I want into them, 
*including* some drop bars with some pretty drastic/sharp curves.  The 
trickiest was a Salsa Woodchipper, but Albatross, Bosco and Moustache bars 
are no problem whatsoever.   The nice thing about a steel stem is that you 
can spread the clamp further, more easily, and with less risk of damage 
than you can a forged stem.  I'm sure there's a limit and you need to be 
prudent, but I can't imagine an exisiting 25.4 bar that couldn't work.  I'm 
sure you know the reverse-the-bolt-and-stick-a-coin-in-the-gap trick for 
spreading.

Obviously it's not as quick to change stems as it is if you have a 
removable plate, but I'm guessing there won't be much experimenting and 
fine-tuning going on anyway.   This stem fills a HUGE void in the 
marketplace but will either work or it won't.  Unless they offer multiple 
extension lengths or rise angles?  Barring that, I really like the classic 
look of the single bolt, and can't wait until the stem is available.


On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:18:10 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the 
> clamp with a removable face plate!
>
> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13" 
> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
>
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for trying (see below). I can see your reason for hesitating to use
a removable face plate if some (dummy synonym) might install it wrong, a la
quick release, and do himself and others harm.

I bet I can get a 15" laptop into a Medium Saddlesack, but I want a nice
shoulder bag too. If you don't add a waist strap, I will.

Keith (Iam?Ian?): I've installed many a tightly curved bar into stems such
as Tioga T-Bones and so forth using the bolt and penny trick, but removable
face plates are so easy. Still, as I said, I understand, and I'm glad
nonetheless that someone is making a 11/8" upjutter decent looking
threadless stem. I think that my 19" Race Lite might use one to hold dirt
drop bars; we'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU9Dsl89UGo=youtu.be

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:

> We have considered the re-muv-a-plate and have not totally rejected it. I
> think I'm the only one here who has any misgivings at all, but I'm also the
> one who'd get in trouble if Joe Blow blew it with the bolts and got
> hurt--and tragically, that influences things, sometimes. I feel an emoticon
> coming on! Anyway, the stem is best used when converting a too-small bike
> with drops or straight bars, to an Albatross or Choco bar. Maybe Alba if a
> road bike, or Choco-with-its-greater-sweep if a mountain bike---and in
> either case, those bars won't need changing :). <--is that right?
> NITTO does some r-plate stems, and reports that the vertical slot isn't as
> strong as a horizontal slot, and that becomes an issue with wider bars and
> mountain bars. A 42cm drop bar doesn't leverage the clamp as much as a 55cm
> wide-y. All these things the tests reveal that rides don't, but that we, as
> kind of gatekeepers for your safety, have to watch out for.
>
> Many things related to bike set up and component use and correctness that
> may seem obvious to 99 percent of you reading this, are not to be taken for
> granted among the population as a whole, by which I include and am only
> really talking about OUR customers. I think our customer have more than
> average bike smarts, but as the years pass the number of bikes and parts
> we've put out there climbs, and ownership passes to eBay customer and so
> on...and it doesn't mean we have to ultra-dumb down our stuff, it just
> means we have to chew on things longer before doing 'em.
>
> The Jumbo Grabsack...I'll try my old 15-er in it and report. That computer
> died, but it has a great Sheldon sticker on it, so I keep it around.
> Anyway, not to bring up THIS again, but I have been known to tote a laptop
> around in a Saddlesack LIKE EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE, and a 13er in El Jumbo
> fits into a MED..but a 15er won't. It'd go into a large, though.
>
>
> High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the
>> clamp with a removable face plate!
>>
>> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13"
>> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
>>
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>>
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>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Joe Bernard]

I've appreciated the open face-plate when going through my notoriously 
obsessive process of dialing in stem length - buy a stem, swap it in without 
undoing bar stuff, don't like it, buy another stem, repeat - but that feature 
is pointless once you know the length you need. Per Grant's caution, I have to 
admit I don't entirely trust the connection of these things. Right now my CLEM 
has a threadless-on-quill-adaptor 'cause that's what I had around, but it's 
going to get a proper quill single-bolt stem eventually. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[iamkeith]

What size stem would you need, Joe?  I've got a bunch of quality old quill 
stems lying around that I'll likely never use, so am happy to pass on to a 
good home if one will work. 

Funny, isn't it Patrick, that this new stem is 1 1/8"  while Bontrager 
happened to be the last holdout, *other* than Rivendell, of 1" forks?!  A 
couple of the places I could see myself most urgently utilizing this stem 
are actually on 1" bikes too... like my bontrager.  

It's just "Keith," but the way.  I AM Keith.   Inside joke that's no longer 
funny, but I ended up using it for my profile on all forums where I 
participate.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've appreciated the open face-plate when going through my notoriously 
> obsessive process of dialing in stem length - buy a stem, swap it in 
> without undoing bar stuff, don't like it, buy another stem, repeat - but 
> that feature is pointless once you know the length you need. Per Grant's 
> caution, I have to admit I don't entirely trust the connection of these 
> things. Right now my CLEM has a threadless-on-quill-adaptor 'cause that's 
> what I had around, but it's going to get a proper quill single-bolt stem 
> eventually. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp. That's 
usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with the one 
that's on there now. Whatcha got?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[dstein]

No comment on the stem but I did pick up a jumbo grabsack a few weeks ago 
and love it. There is a sewn in sleeve on the inside which holds my 13" mac 
but does not fit my wife's 14" lenovo (which is pretty thick). That being 
said, there is ample room outside of the sewn in sleeve where the 14" 
lenovo fits fine and I imagine a 15" would fit, it just wouldn't be nice 
and snug like as if in the sleeve thing.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 4:04:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp. 
> That's usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with 
> the one that's on there now. Whatcha got?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[iamkeith]

130-140 is easy.  Most of my stuff is from '80s 90's mountain bikes, where 
the entire goal was to go over the handlebars as often as possible.  ;-)   
Might not have anything as elegant as nitto, but will have good quality. 
 I'll take some pictures tomorrow and PM you.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp. 
> That's usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with 
> the one that's on there now. Whatcha got?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: The Bontrager has a 1" threadless fork, but I'm happily using a
spacer to get a 1 1/8" stem to fit. Far easier than trying to track down
the right length and rise in 1".

Dave (Stein): Good to know that the jumbo does hold a 15". Would you be
kind enough to post a photo of the thick 14" inside the main compartment?
My new-to-me-but-2014-model-year Macbook Pro is pretty thin, and measures
about 14 1/3" side to side. I don't mind the sleeve not fitting, as it will
serve instead as a divider for papers and what have you. (I'll still sew on
a waist strap, though.)

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 5:21 PM, dstein  wrote:

> No comment on the stem but I did pick up a jumbo grabsack a few weeks ago
> and love it. There is a sewn in sleeve on the inside which holds my 13" mac
> but does not fit my wife's 14" lenovo (which is pretty thick). That being
> said, there is ample room outside of the sewn in sleeve where the 14"
> lenovo fits fine and I imagine a 15" would fit, it just wouldn't be nice
> and snug like as if in the sleeve thing.
>
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 4:04:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp.
>> That's usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with
>> the one that's on there now. Whatcha got?
>
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[RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Kieran J]

It looks like an up-jutter version of the Ritchey Force Lite stems Nitto 
used to make in the 90's. Nice stuff, I have a beauty one in my parts bin.

KJ


On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:18:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the 
> clamp with a removable face plate!
>
> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13" 
> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
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