Re: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Yeah, the tap is better--I twisted a bolt right off in a braze-on trying to clear the paint! Never did get that bolt stump removed either... Steve On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I say buy the tap.The advantage to a tap -- VS a bolt -- is the channels on the sides of the tap let the paint follow out as the tap is twisted into the thread pattern. Using a bolt pushes the shaved paint through the threads in front of it. Plus, a tap is tapered at the entry, so proper alignment onto already cut threads s much easier, and the threads will stay intact. By the way, with a properly sized tap, you won't need much torgue to shave off the paint from the threads From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 9:28:06 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons And for prices, my Ace Hardware in El Cerrito had the handle for $6, and the taps for $5 each. I bought the M5 and M6, and have only used the M5. It is step 1 for any new frameset now at my workbench. On Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:23:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... a handle, an M5 tap, and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have a tap and handle. --Smitty On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PhC-oaj84iYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Tap is the best way.. I couldn't find mine and had to get the rack on so (don't do this at home) I just took a knife and scraped the paint off the outer side of the braze on. The bolt went right in afterwards.. :) Not to mention it covered up my laziness. On Thursday, January 3, 2013 12:34:50 PM UTC-6, stevef wrote: Yeah, the tap is better--I twisted a bolt right off in a braze-on trying to clear the paint! Never did get that bolt stump removed either... Steve On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Ray Shine r.s...@sbcglobal.netjavascript: wrote: I say buy the tap.The advantage to a tap -- VS a bolt -- is the channels on the sides of the tap let the paint follow out as the tap is twisted into the thread pattern. Using a bolt pushes the shaved paint through the threads in front of it. Plus, a tap is tapered at the entry, so proper alignment onto already cut threads s much easier, and the threads will stay intact. By the way, with a properly sized tap, you won't need much torgue to shave off the paint from the threads From: William tape...@gmail.com javascript: To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 9:28:06 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons And for prices, my Ace Hardware in El Cerrito had the handle for $6, and the taps for $5 each. I bought the M5 and M6, and have only used the M5. It is step 1 for any new frameset now at my workbench. On Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:23:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... a handle, an M5 tap, and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have a tap and handle. --Smitty On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PhC-oaj84iYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hbsDo9QNJzkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Steve, Please forgive my redundancy all over again, but; If that broken bolt is still stuck in the hourglass (or any) braze-on, you can carefully drill it out using a #19 or 11/64 drill. Go slowly and use a few drops of oil (Phil Tenacious works as a decent cutting oil in a pinch). After drilling, run your trusty M5 tap through (again, carefully with oil) to clean up the threads. Good luck Marc From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Steven Frederick [stl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 11:34 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons Yeah, the tap is better--I twisted a bolt right off in a braze-on trying to clear the paint! Never did get that bolt stump removed either... Steve On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I say buy the tap.The advantage to a tap -- VS a bolt -- is the channels on the sides of the tap let the paint follow out as the tap is twisted into the thread pattern. Using a bolt pushes the shaved paint through the threads in front of it. Plus, a tap is tapered at the entry, so proper alignment onto already cut threads s much easier, and the threads will stay intact. By the way, with a properly sized tap, you won't need much torgue to shave off the paint from the threads From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 9:28:06 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons And for prices, my Ace Hardware in El Cerrito had the handle for $6, and the taps for $5 each. I bought the M5 and M6, and have only used the M5. It is step 1 for any new frameset now at my workbench. On Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:23:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... a handle, an M5 tap, and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have a tap and handle. --Smitty On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PhC-oaj84iYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
I agree, buy the tool! I will be if I ever have to do it again, thanks to the snapped bolt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kgLPwO8KOw0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Tom, If that broken bolt is still stuck in the hourglass braze-on, you can carefully drill it out using a #19 or 11/64 drill. Go slowly and use a few drops of oil (Phil Tenacious works as a decent cutting oil in a pinch). After drilling, run your trusty M5 tap through (again, carefully with oil) to clean up the threads. Good luck Marc __ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Tom Harrop [twhar...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:22 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons I agree, buy the tool! I will be if I ever have to do it again, thanks to the snapped bolt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kgLPwO8KOw0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Thanks Marc. It turned out the rack was better mounted to the other side of the eyelet anyway, but I will remove the broken bolt at some point. I would do well to save some weight... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/v1KUAQvUGBoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Gernot, As others have already said, best use an M5 tap. Every workshop should have one. Always use a proper 'T' handle and chuck (I think General Tools make a nice small one) and proceed carefully. Don't use excessive force and remember that you are clearing existing threads - not trying to cut new ones! A few drops of oil on the tap and in the screw hole are a 'must-do' and always proceed on the basis of one turn in, half-a-turn back (or half in, 1/4 back if it's really tight). This helps to clear the threads and avoid biding and breakages! Savvas (who has broken too many bike bits...) On Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:54:49 PM UTC+10:30, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/L3VnTWZYz9cJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
best would be to use a thread cutting drill of the right size Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2012 10:24:49 UTC+1 schrieb Earl Grey: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ws8r228pVn4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
I had similar trouble with my new Bombadil last year. I actually snapped a rack mounting bolt off in one of the hourglass brazeons, so you may want to wait for advice from someone with better mechanical ability, but I used a stainless steel bolt to work the paint out of the eyelets slowly and carefully from the wrong side. You can sort of see what I mean herehttp://flic.kr/p/boK3nz . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mv6vC0WQna4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
What you're looking for is a thread chasing tool for M5 bolts. A good LBS should have such a tool, but you can probably also find them online or at a good hardware store. Tom Harrop's idea below is similar in using a stainless steel bolt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p2W8CoDAmq8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
And good ol' Sears has them ... or they used to at least. The threads of braze-ons on new frames often need to chased as they framebuilder just brazes them on raw . Most dealers don't do this for you so it's always handy to have the thread chasing tools. I have the M5 one as well as for the rear dérailleur. Not something you use a lot, but when you do need it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/262prqvIKA8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... a handlehttp://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290735cp=2568443.2568450.2628076.2629205, an M5 taphttp://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290736cp=2568443.2568450.2628076.2629205, and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have a tap and handle. --Smitty On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/H6M8IFcAKhYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
And for prices, my Ace Hardware in El Cerrito had the handle for $6, and the taps for $5 each. I bought the M5 and M6, and have only used the M5. It is step 1 for any new frameset now at my workbench. On Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:23:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... a handlehttp://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290735cp=2568443.2568450.2628076.2629205, an M5 taphttp://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290736cp=2568443.2568450.2628076.2629205, and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have a tap and handle. --Smitty On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PhC-oaj84iYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
Thanks everyone. Sounds fairly unanimous. :) And thanks for the links, Smitty. I should have mentioned I am in Thailand, but I have a pretty well-stocked hardware store here, so with the links on my phone I should be able to communicate what I need. Cheers, Gernot first Betty in Thailand? Huber On Dec 30, 11:23 pm, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote: Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... a handlehttp://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290735cp=256..., an M5 taphttp://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290736cp=256..., and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have a tap and handle. --Smitty On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons
I say buy the tap.The advantage to a tap -- VS a bolt -- is the channels on the sides of the tap let the paint follow out as the tap is twisted into the thread pattern. Using a bolt pushes the shaved paint through the threads in front of it. Plus, a tap is tapered at the entry, so proper alignment onto already cut threads s much easier, and the threads will stay intact. By the way, with a properly sized tap, you won't need much torgue to shave off the paint from the threads From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 9:28:06 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons And for prices, my Ace Hardware in El Cerrito had the handle for $6, and the taps for $5 each. I bought the M5 and M6, and have only used the M5. It is step 1 for any new frameset now at my workbench. On Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:23:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... a handle, an M5 tap, and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have a tap and handle. --Smitty On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PhC-oaj84iYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
