[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

That’s a green meanie right there. APPROVE 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Chris]

Great Looking bike! I have a Rootbeer MonsterCross and love it! Can't wait 
to get mine back to the West Coast this summer (Puget Sound area) and start 
riding again, Chesapeake VA sucks for cycling...  would love to have those 
wheels, I have A23s with 105 hubs with Rock 'n Roll tires and they are ok 
but the Belgiums would be the bomb! 

Chris

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> It's a stretch for Riv-content here, but I promise there is some.  The 
> obvious Riv content is limited to hemp twine, Newbaums bar tape, components 
> from White Industries and Paul, who are Riv vendors.  I bought the CX70 
> front derailer and brakes from Riv.  The whole idea of a Monster Cross, or 
> more correctly a drop bar mountain bike, definitely have Rivendell's 
> fingerprints on it.  Anyway, here it is.
>
> 58cm Black Mountain Monster Cross
> Cane Creek 40 headset
> HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, Dura Ace hubs, Ultegra Skewers 10sp 12-30 
> Ultegra cassette.
> WTB Bronson 29x2.0 tires with tubes
> White Industries VBC 172.5mm cranks 42/26 rings
> Shimano SPD pedals
> CX70 front der 
> Ultegra rear der
> Shimano 10sp barcons on Paul Thumbies
> Paul Boxcar stem, modified cable stop
> Salsa Cowchipper bars
> SRAM S500 brakelevers
> Shimano CX70 brakes
> Niner Carbon seatpost
> Avocet O2 saddle
> Khaki Newbaums tape with amber shellac
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

One slightly negative aspect of these SRAM brake levers on this flared drop 
handlebar:

The top of the SRAM S500 lever body is fairly flat and that offers a nice flat 
continuation of the ramp into the hood on a normal drop bar. On these flared 
drops, the lever is tilted inward and so that flat top is tilted as well. I 
find there is a corner on the outside trailing edge of the lever body that kind 
of pokes my hand. My full finger gloves are not padded at all. I’ll give it a 
little more time with padded gloves as well. I think I could shape the plastic 
of the levers to address the issue if it proves to be an annoyance. It’s just 
something I notice now in this new cockpit. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Jonathan D.]

Thanks for the report. I have a 56 coming and I am excited to try it out.  It 
seems like such a versatile bike. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

['kobe' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for posting pictures of your BMC. I have one in orange and the new 
green is so loud, obnoxious and awesome it makes we trade up. Great build, 
I had 50's on mine but they were a tad big for the riding I was doing and 
went back to the Rock N Roads.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

A BMC Monster Cross with some Barlow Pass EL o light wheels would make a 
splendid road bike. Put some racks and fenders on it and now it’s a touring 
bike. It’s a very capable and very versatile bike. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[John G.]

Bill, your bikes are always well-appointed and seem to fit you perfectly. 
Thanks for sharing pics, details, and data. 

I know the intended use of the BMC is different than your Sam, but I’d love 
comparisons. I’m in between Sam sizes, and the BMC might be a better fit.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Belopsky]

This makes me want to put SRAM levers on my Gunnar

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Forgot about the granary. I bought some A23 rims and a rack a while back, 
he hadn't listed the brakes yet. When that other post came up, I emailed to 
ask whether his price was for one brake or a full bike set and he never got 
back. (Some places were selling them very cheap once Shimano discontinued. 
Still, not a bad deal at $120. Looks like he's down to four sets.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 8:27:36 AM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> The site below still shows sets of CX-70 brakes available.  They are 
> discontinued as far as I know but this shop liked the brakes (for good 
> reasons) and stockpiled some.  Anyway, I assume they are still available 
> here... certainly worth a check.  The owner/seller was extremely helpful 
> when I called him.
>
> http://www.thegranarybicyclecompany.com
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:52:08 AM UTC-5, John W wrote:
>>
>> Looks great! Curious to hear how you arrived at the brake placement? 
>>
>> And side question — did you get the brakes new, or from the parts bin? 
>> Looking for a pair myself. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, Rock and Roads will go on next, most likely.  I wanted to confirm that 
50s would fit, and I want to use these up, so I can discard them with a 
good conscience.  The temptation is to go straight to Furious Freds or 
Snoqualmie Pass, but I really want to use tires from my internal inventory 
first.

Bill

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 1:27:46 PM UTC-7, nash...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Those tires look super tough on there.  I've only ever had rock n roads on 
> my bmc.  Imo perfect bike for east bay hills.
>
> Nash Taylor
> Oakland 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[nash5510]

Those tires look super tough on there.  I've only ever had rock n roads on my 
bmc.  Imo perfect bike for east bay hills.

Nash Taylor
Oakland 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Andrew Patteson]

Wow, great looking bike!!  So very well thought out.

Andrew in SLC, UT






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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

jandrews_nyc asked about my PBH and the shifter setup.  

My saddle height is 75.5cm.  I dont remember if my PBH is 86 or 86.5.  

The cable adjusters are part of the Paul Thumbies.  Shimano barcons have no 
cable adjusters.  The shiftlever part comes of the barcon pods and mounts 
onto the Thumbie.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:37:23 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> Very nice ..I've been following BMC blog and curious about building up a 
> lightweight off-road MC myself.
> Bill, can you tell me your PBH?
> Also, on those Shimano 10sp barcons, are the cable adjusters part of the 
> shifter? or you added them to the cable itself?  
> JS
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Belopsky]

This is cool. If I don't like my Kelly takeoffs I'll try thumb shifters on 
my Cowbell 3 bars

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Steve Butcher]

Really nice build, Bill !  Very nice even handlebar wrap, too!

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 4:34:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> It's a stretch for Riv-content here, but I promise there is some.  The 
> obvious Riv content is limited to hemp twine, Newbaums bar tape, components 
> from White Industries and Paul, who are Riv vendors.  I bought the CX70 
> front derailer and brakes from Riv.  The whole idea of a Monster Cross, or 
> more correctly a drop bar mountain bike, definitely have Rivendell's 
> fingerprints on it.  Anyway, here it is.
>
> 58cm Black Mountain Monster Cross
> Cane Creek 40 headset
> HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, Dura Ace hubs, Ultegra Skewers 10sp 12-30 
> Ultegra cassette.
> WTB Bronson 29x2.0 tires with tubes
> White Industries VBC 172.5mm cranks 42/26 rings
> Shimano SPD pedals
> CX70 front der 
> Ultegra rear der
> Shimano 10sp barcons on Paul Thumbies
> Paul Boxcar stem, modified cable stop
> Salsa Cowchipper bars
> SRAM S500 brakelevers
> Shimano CX70 brakes
> Niner Carbon seatpost
> Avocet O2 saddle
> Khaki Newbaums tape with amber shellac
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[John Woo]

Props, Bob for that. Ordered a pair!

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
> 
> The site below still shows sets of CX-70 brakes available.  They are 
> discontinued as far as I know but this shop liked the brakes (for good 
> reasons) and stockpiled some.  Anyway, I assume they are still available 
> here... certainly worth a check.  The owner/seller was extremely helpful when 
> I called him.
> 
> http://www.thegranarybicyclecompany.com
> 
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:52:08 AM UTC-5, John W wrote:
>> Looks great! Curious to hear how you arrived at the brake placement? 
>> 
>> And side question — did you get the brakes new, or from the parts bin? 
>> Looking for a pair myself.
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[jandrews_nyc]

Very nice ..I've been following BMC blog and curious about building up a 
lightweight off-road MC myself.
Bill, can you tell me your PBH?
Also, on those Shimano 10sp barcons, are the cable adjusters part of the 
shifter? or you added them to the cable itself?  
JS




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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bob Lovejoy]

Apologies for the reply-to-self...  Found the original post re: The Granary 
and CX-70 brakes...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/internet-bob/pDFKJ4xY73s/ysGoRtWkAQAJ

Bob

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 7:27:36 AM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> The site below still shows sets of CX-70 brakes available.  They are 
> discontinued as far as I know but this shop liked the brakes (for good 
> reasons) and stockpiled some.  Anyway, I assume they are still available 
> here... certainly worth a check.  The owner/seller was extremely helpful 
> when I called him.
>
> http://www.thegranarybicyclecompany.com
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:52:08 AM UTC-5, John W wrote:
>>
>> Looks great! Curious to hear how you arrived at the brake placement? 
>>
>> And side question — did you get the brakes new, or from the parts bin? 
>> Looking for a pair myself. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Lum Gim Fong]

Pauls would be nice, too.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bob Lovejoy]

The site below still shows sets of CX-70 brakes available.  They are 
discontinued as far as I know but this shop liked the brakes (for good 
reasons) and stockpiled some.  Anyway, I assume they are still available 
here... certainly worth a check.  The owner/seller was extremely helpful 
when I called him.

http://www.thegranarybicyclecompany.com

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:52:08 AM UTC-5, John W wrote:
>
> Looks great! Curious to hear how you arrived at the brake placement? 
>
> And side question — did you get the brakes new, or from the parts bin? 
> Looking for a pair myself. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill mentioned he purchased the CX 70 brakes from Rivendell a while back. 
The CX 70 model was discontinued, and just about every place is out of back 
stock as well. A while ago I had a bead on a set somewhere, but delayed in 
ordering (less than a day) and poof! I  ended up with a  pair in trade, but 
had to sell the bike they were slated for--coincidentally the BG Hikari 
that Bill alerted me to. I wanted the CX 70 because they come with a washer 
set that lets them adjust to canti posts that run as close as 90mm--the 
spread on the Hikari fork, not atypical of that vintage.

Riv still carries the CX 50, slightly less refined but similar. Otherwise, 
you are probably looking at the second hand market, unless a retailer finds 
a stash somewhere. None listed on ebay at the moment.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:52:08 AM UTC-4, John W wrote:
>
> Looks great! Curious to hear how you arrived at the brake placement? 
>
> And side question — did you get the brakes new, or from the parts bin? 
> Looking for a pair myself. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Jay Connolly]

Great looking bike. Count me as a fan of the WI cranks, as well--and of the 
BMC frames. That colour really pops.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

Igor asked what it weighs

24.3 pounds with wire bead tires and with tubes. Figure 22.5 pounds with light 
tires and tubeless. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill Lindsay wrote: * It's terrific.  Actually it rides like a Rivendell, 
as far as I can tell. *

It's all in the twine.

I like the earthy vibe with the brown wrap and green frame. I did something 
along those lines with my L'Avecaise:


 


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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Belopsky]

Lovely.

What does it weigh? :p

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, I voided my warranty by drilling out a brand new $125 stem.  The 
Horror!  :-)

Now it's freshly soiled with a smattering of East Bay Mud.  It's terrific.  
Actually it rides like a Rivendell, as far as I can tell.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:13:07 PM UTC-7, stoker wrote:
>
> Great build! I purchased the same frame  - I’m expecting it to arrive 
> Saturday. ‘Modified Boxcar Stem’ - I assume you drilled it to accept the 
> cable/housing?

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Deacon Patrick]

Great point, Jeremy. When I called my LBS to ask about 650b wheels for my 
wife’s Clementine build, the owner, who started the shop 25 years ago, was at 
first baffled by the rim brake rim request. When he called me back, Velocity 
build, for nearly twice what Rivendell was selling the same build. This 
deserves a new thread, but I was struck today by how much rough stuff 
absorbtion happens through the fork, and it’s hard to picture that happening as 
well through a beefy disk brake fork.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Jeremy Till]

Great build! I would contend that in this day and age, any new 
multi-surface bike that doesn't use disc brakes owes something to 
Rivendell, since they are some of the last holdouts supporting rim brakes 
with plump tires.  

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 2:34:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> It's a stretch for Riv-content here, but I promise there is some.  The 
> obvious Riv content is limited to hemp twine, Newbaums bar tape, components 
> from White Industries and Paul, who are Riv vendors.  I bought the CX70 
> front derailer and brakes from Riv.  The whole idea of a Monster Cross, or 
> more correctly a drop bar mountain bike, definitely have Rivendell's 
> fingerprints on it.  Anyway, here it is.
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> 58cm Black Mountain Monster Cross
> Cane Creek 40 headset
> HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, Dura Ace hubs, Ultegra Skewers 10sp 12-30 
> Ultegra cassette.
> WTB Bronson 29x2.0 tires with tubes
> White Industries VBC 172.5mm cranks 42/26 rings
> Shimano SPD pedals
> CX70 front der 
> Ultegra rear der
> Shimano 10sp barcons on Paul Thumbies
> Paul Boxcar stem, modified cable stop
> Salsa Cowchipper bars
> SRAM S500 brakelevers
> Shimano CX70 brakes
> Niner Carbon seatpost
> Avocet O2 saddle
> Khaki Newbaums tape with amber shellac
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Virgil Staphbeard]

Wow that looks great!

It sort of reminds me of my Piolet:




On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> It's a stretch for Riv-content here, but I promise there is some.  The 
> obvious Riv content is limited to hemp twine, Newbaums bar tape, components 
> from White Industries and Paul, who are Riv vendors.  I bought the CX70 
> front derailer and brakes from Riv.  The whole idea of a Monster Cross, or 
> more correctly a drop bar mountain bike, definitely have Rivendell's 
> fingerprints on it.  Anyway, here it is.
>
> 58cm Black Mountain Monster Cross
> Cane Creek 40 headset
> HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, Dura Ace hubs, Ultegra Skewers 10sp 12-30 
> Ultegra cassette.
> WTB Bronson 29x2.0 tires with tubes
> White Industries VBC 172.5mm cranks 42/26 rings
> Shimano SPD pedals
> CX70 front der 
> Ultegra rear der
> Shimano 10sp barcons on Paul Thumbies
> Paul Boxcar stem, modified cable stop
> Salsa Cowchipper bars
> SRAM S500 brakelevers
> Shimano CX70 brakes
> Niner Carbon seatpost
> Avocet O2 saddle
> Khaki Newbaums tape with amber shellac
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> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Deacon Patrick]

“They are cranks, RIDE!  Grin.”

Well, we both ought to be very scared, Bill, for we’re thinking alike. I came 
to the same conclusion. Great minds think alike, but so do mediocre ones. And 
only mediocre ones would take comfort in thinking alike. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

The things I specifically like about the MR30 are:

they come in 172.5mm length (rare in 1x11 mountain cranks)
they look nice (especially with a silver ring and pink extractors)
White Industries is a generous sponsor of Norcal High School Mountain Bike 
Racing League
Black Mountain Cycles stocks them

I don't have answers to your other questions about 'stiffer' or 'greater 
power transfer'.  They are cranks, RIDE!  Grin.

Bill

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 3:13:02 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Great to hear, Bill. What specifically to you like about them? I’m 
> particularly interested how in the MR30 rides as an external bearing bb. Is 
> the stiffer noticable, and how? Does this translate to greater power 
> transfer to the drivetrain/frame? Or, like frame flex, do square taper bb’s 
> store and return the energy someway — afterall, it has to go somewhere. 
> Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick (who bought Silver cranks instead of switching to MR30, but 
> remains MR30 curious)

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Deacon Patrick]

Great to hear, Bill. What specifically to you like about them? I’m particularly 
interested how in the MR30 rides as an external bearing bb. Is the stiffer 
noticable, and how? Does this translate to greater power transfer to the 
drivetrain/frame? Or, like frame flex, do square taper bb’s store and return 
the energy someway — afterall, it has to go somewhere. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick (who bought Silver cranks instead of switching to MR30, but remains 
MR30 curious)

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

I've used White Industries VBC cranks for many years.  They are great.  I 
picked up these VBC arms off the list when Mark Reiner sold them a while 
back.  I bought the 42/26 ring set last year from Black Mountain when I was 
ordering a MR30 crankset for my mountain bike.  That crankset was waiting 
patiently for a build opportunity.  

Bill

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 2:56:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Where’s the bike? I see wheels, tires, cranks, handlebars, saddle, et all 
> ... but not frame. Just a bunch of grass. Really green grass. 
>
> Great build, Bill! How do you like the WI cranks? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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