Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

2023-10-09 Thread Ted W 
YES! I was having hard time figuring out why I didn’t like it. This is
exactly it! I usually LOVE lugged frames, but this lug feel unfinished so o
my eye. As I said before; the fillet made it flow and I think a similar
flow could have been made here with a different shape. But the way the
stays just plug in to the lug, like a plumbing fitting. It just doesn’t
feel like it he same thought was put in to the look as a typical Riv.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 8:23 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> It’s a lug that could use a little something to make it look less klunky.
> I’m not a fan of the part that connects the stays… To me it looks like old
> plumbing fittings. If it were shaped a bit more elegantly, it would look so
> much better.
>
> On Oct 9, 2023, at 7:51 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> Keith, the BB shell is lugged on the previous model. It's hard to see in
> most photos but the current Platypus page on the Riv site has a photo of a
> bare frame. I've attached a cropped portion of that image.
>
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:30:55 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> Interesting how our tastes are so individual.  I greatly prefer the
>> lugged joint.  I was looking at the pictures in the newsletter, without
>> consciously noticing what had changed, and thinking to myself:  "why did I
>> dismiss this model until now?  These are just about perfect."  Does anybody
>> know if the bottom bracket shell is lugged?  Tigged?  Fillet brazed?
>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:44:36 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can
>>> understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have
>>> switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively
>>> speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big
>>> attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too
 but it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug
 (old lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A
 friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe
 evidence it was problematic for Maxway.

 On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original
> Platypus would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory
> setting than connecting a few tubes with lug.
>
> Marc
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they
>> dusted off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat
>>> tube, where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

2023-10-09 Thread Brian Turner 
It’s a lug that could use a little something to make it look less klunky. I’m not a fan of the part that connects the stays… To me it looks like old plumbing fittings. If it were shaped a bit more elegantly, it would look so much better.On Oct 9, 2023, at 7:51 AM, DavidP  wrote:Keith, the BB shell is lugged on the previous model. It's hard to see in most photos but the current Platypus page on the Riv site has a photo of a bare frame. I've attached a cropped portion of that image.-DaveOn Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:30:55 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:Interesting how our tastes are so individual.  I greatly prefer the lugged joint.  I was looking at the pictures in the newsletter, without consciously noticing what had changed, and thinking to myself:  "why did I dismiss this model until now?  These are just about perfect."  Does anybody know if the bottom bracket shell is lugged?  Tigged?  Fillet brazed?On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:44:36 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe evidence it was problematic for Maxway. On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than connecting a few tubes with lug.MarcOn Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com wrote:Perhaps they dusted off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

2023-10-09 Thread iamkeith 

Interesting how our tastes are so individual.  I greatly prefer the lugged 
joint.  I was looking at the pictures in the newsletter, without 
consciously noticing what had changed, and thinking to myself:  "why did I 
dismiss this model until now?  These are just about perfect."  Does anybody 
know if the bottom bracket shell is lugged?  Tigged?  Fillet brazed?
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:44:36 PM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can 
> understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have 
> switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively 
> speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big 
> attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but 
>> it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old 
>> lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A 
>> friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe 
>> evidence it was problematic for Maxway. 
>>
>> On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus 
>>> would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than 
>>> connecting a few tubes with lug.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted 
 off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…

 On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:

> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, 
> where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

2023-10-08 Thread Ted W 
Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can
understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have
switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively
speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big
attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but
> it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old
> lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A
> friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe
> evidence it was problematic for Maxway.
>
> On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus
>> would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than
>> connecting a few tubes with lug.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted
>>> off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>>
 Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube,
 where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

2023-10-08 Thread Jason Fuller 
I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but it 
definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old 
lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A 
friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe 
evidence it was problematic for Maxway. 

On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus 
> would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than 
> connecting a few tubes with lug.
>
> Marc
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted 
>> off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, 
>>> where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

2023-10-08 Thread Marc Irwin 
Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus 
would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than 
connecting a few tubes with lug.

Marc

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted off 
> the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>
>> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, 
>> where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

2023-10-07 Thread Joe Bernard 
Probably unpopular opinion but I like the original better. The way the 
mid-stays start in front of the seattube and wrap around it looks more 
elegant to me. 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 12:23:46 PM UTC-7 CoalTrain wrote:

> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, 
> where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.

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