Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

Doug, never. Never ,ever, ever. And yes, I pushed that bike a mile home. Glad 
it didn’t do this to me on the way down that hill. Scary. 
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 10:37 AM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> Arrrggghhh!  You never had a flat with your previous tires?  You are pushing 
> a bike with a FLAT tire that is only a week or 2 old?  Case closed.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:06:10 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear 
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. I 
> will be swinging by there today asking for new tires. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > I better inspect my Synergies now! 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Richard 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[dougP]

Arrrggghhh!  You never had a flat with your previous tires?  You are 
pushing a bike with a FLAT tire that is only a week or 2 old?  Case 
closed.  

dougP

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:06:10 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear 
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. 
> I will be swinging by there today asking for new tires. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > I better inspect my Synergies now! 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Richard 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/03/2017 10:51 AM, Tim Gavin wrote:
That's a good price.  But, I disagree that wire bead Paselas provide 
80% of the performance of standard casing Compass tires of the same size.


On the suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 
10), I'd give standard casing Compass tires a 9 (9.5 for EL casing), 
and wire bead Paselas with Tourguard a 5.5 or 6.


I was not speaking of the Tourguard version, but rather the unbelted 
wire bead "regular" Pasela.






My opinion, obviously.  No rolling drum tests were performed in the 
creation of this opinion, just seat of my pants.


On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:



On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them
for about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged
but fine-riding tires.



And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C
at Niagra Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard
casing Compass Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the
performance.  A splendid choice for commuting.



I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela
26 X 1.5 tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my
commuters. I got 3 flats in a couple of months with the Compass
tires which was a bit of a PITA but they are more performance
oriented.Normally (may the gods not strike me down for this) I
rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32 Stampede Passes
on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not a
practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42
Paselas...thought about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with
the Paselas w. Tourguard for now. The folding bead tires are not
egregiously heavy. My experience , YMMV.

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the
gravel kings a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love
Pari Motos but the tread life is only about 1,900 miles for me.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

Well the Kevlar Tourguard ones are CDN  50+ , but I've been very happy with 
their ruggedness and decent performance. So my take is, the Compass 
McLure's - meh...Not materially better. On the other hand, the pricey 32mm 
Extralight Stampede Pass tires on my road bike are superb...but not for the 
mean streets

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:42:51 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for 
> about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but fine-riding 
> tires. 
>
>
>
> And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C at Niagra 
> Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard casing Compass 
> Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the performance.  A splendid 
> choice for commuting.
>
>
> I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 1.5 
> tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. I got 3 
> flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a bit of a 
> PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the gods not 
> strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32 
> Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not 
> a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought 
> about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard 
> for now. The folding bead tires are not egregiously heavy. My experience , 
> YMMV. 
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote: 
>>
>> Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the gravel kings 
>> a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari Motos but the tread life 
>> is only about 1,900 miles for me. 
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Tim Gavin]

That's a good price.  But, I disagree that wire bead Paselas provide 80% of
the performance of standard casing Compass tires of the same size.

On the suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 10),
I'd give standard casing Compass tires a 9 (9.5 for EL casing), and wire
bead Paselas with Tourguard a 5.5 or 6.

My opinion, obviously.  No rolling drum tests were performed in the
creation of this opinion, just seat of my pants.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for
> about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but fine-riding
> tires.
>
>
>
> And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C at Niagra
> Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard casing Compass
> Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the performance.  A splendid
> choice for commuting.
>
>
> I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 1.5
> tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. I got 3
> flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a bit of a
> PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the gods not
> strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32
> Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not
> a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought
> about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard
> for now. The folding bead tires are not egregiously heavy. My experience ,
> YMMV.
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the gravel kings
>> a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari Motos but the tread life
>> is only about 1,900 miles for me.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for 
about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but 
fine-riding tires.



And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C at 
Niagra Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard casing 
Compass Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the performance.  
A splendid choice for commuting.



I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 
1.5 tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. 
I got 3 flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a 
bit of a PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the 
gods not strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the 
extralight 700 X 32 Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a 
pop they're definitely not a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I 
have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought about Compass tires but I think I'll 
stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard for now. The folding bead tires 
are not egregiously heavy. My experience , YMMV.


On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the
gravel kings a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari
Motos but the tread life is only about 1,900 miles for me.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for about 
10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but fine-riding 
tires. I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 
1.5 tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. I 
got 3 flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a bit of 
a PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the gods not 
strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32 
Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not 
a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought 
about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard 
for now. The folding bead tires are not egregiously heavy. My experience , 
YMMV. 

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the gravel kings 
> a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari Motos but the tread life 
> is only about 1,900 miles for me. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017, 3:45 PM, Tim Gavin <
> tim@littlevillagemag.com > wrote:
>
> Panaracer Gravel Kings are a good choice.  They're similar to the 
> lightweight Pari-Moto tires, but with an added puncture protection layer.  
> On the suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 10), 
> I'd give them a 7 to 7.5.  
> A good compromise tire.  They've supplanted the old Panaracer Pasela in 
> that duty for my personal recommendation.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Jon, you're brilliant and you're RIGHT. The tape had shifted, and the room 
> sliced the tube. I also took your suggestion of Panaracer tires and ran 
> with it.
>
> I ordered new tires - Panaracer Gravel something or other - the shop owner 
> and I sat and talked about what I wanted in a tire and what these tires had 
> to offer. I said I'd gladly pay for the new tires but he says he's going to 
> cut me a deal. I think these tires will be a good choice, but it even if 
> not, I'm sticking with them. I'm not buying any more tires for another five 
> years! So there!
>
> So ends this ridiculously long thread!
>
> PS While I was waiting, another woman walked in;  young, single, exuberant 
> and in a fun career as a Saucony rep. She had just scored a melon and blue 
> Electra off Craigslist for a fraction of the price. Basket, sweepy bars, 
> all the romantic things. The seller had it on a bike rack and had been hit 
> by another car. The bike had some bend over the chain guard and she was so 
> hoping it could be fixed so she could ride around California in style. She 
> hasn't had a bike in years. They fixed it right up, free of charge and I 
> asked her if she wanted to take a victory lap in the parking lot. She did, 
> so I took all the flattering photos I could for her and it was a whole lot 
> of girliness right there. The men didn't protest. 
>
> I have renewed love for the bike shop now.
>
> PPS I really liked that young woman right off the bat because she fussed 
> over my bike. A quick way to my heart.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
> Learn to fix flats -- it's not hard, and if you carry a spare tube or 2 
> and fix the puncture proper at home, you can be back on the road in a few 
> minutes -- usually faster than walking to your destination. The longest 
> part is pumping the tire, and even this can be minimized and the effort 
> reduced by using a really good pump. My favorites are the old Zefal HPx or 
> the much newer Lezyne that converts into a little footpump (far better IME 
> than the Topeak equivalent).
>
> "New tires" -- you * can* get thorn proof (so called) tubes that are 
> about 3-4 mm thick on the bottom and tremendously heavy, and fill those 
> with sealant. I personally hate them and belted tires and simply learned to 
> fix flats quickly, but this combination does work against at least narrow 
> penetrants. 
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear 
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. 
> I will be swinging by there today asking for new tires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  
> wrote:
> >
> > I better inspect my Synergies now!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Bruce]

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!important; } Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the 
gravel kings a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari Motos but the 
tread life is only about 1,900 miles for me. 




On Thursday, March 2, 2017, 3:45 PM, Tim Gavin  
wrote:

Panaracer Gravel Kings are a good choice.  They're similar to the lightweight 
Pari-Moto tires, but with an added puncture protection layer.  On the 
suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 10), I'd give 
them a 7 to 7.5.  A good compromise tire.  They've supplanted the old Panaracer 
Pasela in that duty for my personal recommendation.
On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

Jon, you're brilliant and you're RIGHT. The tape had shifted, and the room 
sliced the tube. I also took your suggestion of Panaracer tires and ran with it.
I ordered new tires - Panaracer Gravel something or other - the shop owner and 
I sat and talked about what I wanted in a tire and what these tires had to 
offer. I said I'd gladly pay for the new tires but he says he's going to cut me 
a deal. I think these tires will be a good choice, but it even if not, I'm 
sticking with them. I'm not buying any more tires for another five years! So 
there!
So ends this ridiculously long thread!
PS While I was waiting, another woman walked in;  young, single, exuberant and 
in a fun career as a Saucony rep. She had just scored a melon and blue Electra 
off Craigslist for a fraction of the price. Basket, sweepy bars, all the 
romantic things. The seller had it on a bike rack and had been hit by another 
car. The bike had some bend over the chain guard and she was so hoping it could 
be fixed so she could ride around California in style. She hasn't had a bike in 
years. They fixed it right up, free of charge and I asked her if she wanted to 
take a victory lap in the parking lot. She did, so I took all the flattering 
photos I could for her and it was a whole lot of girliness right there. The men 
didn't protest. 
I have renewed love for the bike shop now.
PPS I really liked that young woman right off the bat because she fussed over 
my bike. A quick way to my heart.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:


Learn to fix flats -- it's not hard, and if you carry a spare tube or 2 and fix 
the puncture proper at home, you can be back on the road in a few minutes -- 
usually faster than walking to your destination. The longest part is pumping 
the tire, and even this can be minimized and the effort reduced by using a 
really good pump. My favorites are the old Zefal HPx or the much newer Lezyne 
that converts into a little footpump (far better IME than the Topeak 
equivalent).
"New tires" -- you  can get thorn proof (so called) tubes that are about 3-4 mm 
thick on the bottom and tremendously heavy, and fill those with sealant. I 
personally hate them and belted tires and simply learned to fix flats quickly, 
but this combination does work against at least narrow penetrants. 
Good luck.
On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear flat. 
All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. I will be 
swinging by there today asking for new tires.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  wrote:
>
> I better inspect my Synergies now!
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Tim Gavin]

Panaracer Gravel Kings are a good choice.  They're similar to the
lightweight Pari-Moto tires, but with an added puncture protection layer.
On the suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 10),
I'd give them a 7 to 7.5.
A good compromise tire.  They've supplanted the old Panaracer Pasela in
that duty for my personal recommendation.

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Jon, you're brilliant and you're RIGHT. The tape had shifted, and the room
> sliced the tube. I also took your suggestion of Panaracer tires and ran
> with it.
>
> I ordered new tires - Panaracer Gravel something or other - the shop owner
> and I sat and talked about what I wanted in a tire and what these tires had
> to offer. I said I'd gladly pay for the new tires but he says he's going to
> cut me a deal. I think these tires will be a good choice, but it even if
> not, I'm sticking with them. I'm not buying any more tires for another five
> years! So there!
>
> So ends this ridiculously long thread!
>
> PS While I was waiting, another woman walked in;  young, single, exuberant
> and in a fun career as a Saucony rep. She had just scored a melon and blue
> Electra off Craigslist for a fraction of the price. Basket, sweepy bars,
> all the romantic things. The seller had it on a bike rack and had been hit
> by another car. The bike had some bend over the chain guard and she was so
> hoping it could be fixed so she could ride around California in style. She
> hasn't had a bike in years. They fixed it right up, free of charge and I
> asked her if she wanted to take a victory lap in the parking lot. She did,
> so I took all the flattering photos I could for her and it was a whole lot
> of girliness right there. The men didn't protest.
>
> I have renewed love for the bike shop now.
>
> PPS I really liked that young woman right off the bat because she fussed
> over my bike. A quick way to my heart.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Learn to fix flats -- it's not hard, and if you carry a spare tube or 2
> and fix the puncture proper at home, you can be back on the road in a few
> minutes -- usually faster than walking to your destination. The longest
> part is pumping the tire, and even this can be minimized and the effort
> reduced by using a really good pump. My favorites are the old Zefal HPx or
> the much newer Lezyne that converts into a little footpump (far better IME
> than the Topeak equivalent).
>
> "New tires" -- you * can* get thorn proof (so called) tubes that are
> about 3-4 mm thick on the bottom and tremendously heavy, and fill those
> with sealant. I personally hate them and belted tires and simply learned to
> fix flats quickly, but this combination does work against at least narrow
> penetrants.
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear
>> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window.
>> I will be swinging by there today asking for new tires.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  wrote:
>> >
>> > I better inspect my Synergies now!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

Jon, you're brilliant and you're RIGHT. The tape had shifted, and the room 
sliced the tube. I also took your suggestion of Panaracer tires and ran with it.

I ordered new tires - Panaracer Gravel something or other - the shop owner and 
I sat and talked about what I wanted in a tire and what these tires had to 
offer. I said I'd gladly pay for the new tires but he says he's going to cut me 
a deal. I think these tires will be a good choice, but it even if not, I'm 
sticking with them. I'm not buying any more tires for another five years! So 
there!

So ends this ridiculously long thread!

PS While I was waiting, another woman walked in;  young, single, exuberant and 
in a fun career as a Saucony rep. She had just scored a melon and blue Electra 
off Craigslist for a fraction of the price. Basket, sweepy bars, all the 
romantic things. The seller had it on a bike rack and had been hit by another 
car. The bike had some bend over the chain guard and she was so hoping it could 
be fixed so she could ride around California in style. She hasn't had a bike in 
years. They fixed it right up, free of charge and I asked her if she wanted to 
take a victory lap in the parking lot. She did, so I took all the flattering 
photos I could for her and it was a whole lot of girliness right there. The men 
didn't protest. 

I have renewed love for the bike shop now.

PPS I really liked that young woman right off the bat because she fussed over 
my bike. A quick way to my heart.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Learn to fix flats -- it's not hard, and if you carry a spare tube or 2 and 
> fix the puncture proper at home, you can be back on the road in a few minutes 
> -- usually faster than walking to your destination. The longest part is 
> pumping the tire, and even this can be minimized and the effort reduced by 
> using a really good pump. My favorites are the old Zefal HPx or the much 
> newer Lezyne that converts into a little footpump (far better IME than the 
> Topeak equivalent).
> 
> "New tires" -- you  can get thorn proof (so called) tubes that are about 3-4 
> mm thick on the bottom and tremendously heavy, and fill those with sealant. I 
> personally hate them and belted tires and simply learned to fix flats 
> quickly, but this combination does work against at least narrow penetrants. 
> 
> Good luck.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear 
>> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. I 
>> will be swinging by there today asking for new tires.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  wrote:
>> >
>> > I better inspect my Synergies now!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Patrick Moore]

Learn to fix flats -- it's not hard, and if you carry a spare tube or 2 and
fix the puncture proper at home, you can be back on the road in a few
minutes -- usually faster than walking to your destination. The longest
part is pumping the tire, and even this can be minimized and the effort
reduced by using a really good pump. My favorites are the old Zefal HPx or
the much newer Lezyne that converts into a little footpump (far better IME
than the Topeak equivalent).

"New tires" -- you * can* get thorn proof (so called) tubes that are about
3-4 mm thick on the bottom and tremendously heavy, and fill those with
sealant. I personally hate them and belted tires and simply learned to fix
flats quickly, but this combination does work against at least narrow
penetrants.

Good luck.

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window.
> I will be swinging by there today asking for new tires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  wrote:
> >
> > I better inspect my Synergies now!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jon Dukeman]

have them check that it wasn't caused by exposed rim that cut the tube  and
not a puncture from a thorne.
Hopefully someone will stop and fix your flat.
Let me know if I can help.
Jon

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On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window.
> I will be swinging by there today asking for new tires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  wrote:
> >
> > I better inspect my Synergies now!
> >
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> > Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear flat. 
All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. I will be 
swinging by there today asking for new tires.

Sent from my iPhone

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> I better inspect my Synergies now!
> 
> Regards,
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[RichS]

I better inspect my Synergies now!

Regards,
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jim Bronson]

When I was in college I was about 300 give or take, (no judgement please
had a good reason) I had a Cannondale M500 mountain bike and I used to ride
it off curbs every day, at least 6-7 times a day, maybe more.  When I left
the sports training facility I would ride down all the stairs also, down to
the sidewalk, there was about 15 steps.  I had Ritchey Matrix rims I think,
never cracked one I don't think.  I still have the bike, I should check.  I
bought it new in the fall of 1993, it was a leftover 1992 model.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:43 PM, dougP  wrote:

> " I get a kick out of crashing over bumps without rising out of the
> saddle. There's something amusing about it. You should try it. But maybe
> not on Velocity rims."
>
> A girl's gotta fun, right?  Just opt up for a heavy duty touring rim.  I
> have no experience with the manufacturer in question, but "crashing over
> bumps" is at the extreme end of the technical envelope.
>
> Data point:  Two of my touring buds have identical, purpose built trekking
> bikes.  One is at least 10 yrs old, and is on the original wheels.  He
> weighs 175, and is not particularly easy on things.  The other guy is on
> his 3rd rear wheel, and opted for a heavy duty, tandem rim with a high
> spoke count (40 or 48?).  He weighs 235, and does a lot of bashing over
> stuff.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 1:07:10 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> This is all very fascinating. Interesting that Steve has also had the
>> Velocity wheels go bad on him. I honestly had no idea Velocity has a
>> history of problems with the rims or I might have contacted them. I noticed
>> today the front wheel is still the Velocity I had prior; no cracks, but
>> I'll be watching.
>>
>> Maybe I'm harder on stuff than you guys are. I remember you all being
>> confused that I had bent a Wald basket, but it is indeed good and bent. And
>> then there's the shifter I also seem to have worn out. Oh, and maybe I had
>> it coming with the broken wheel. I get a kick out of crashing over bumps
>> without rising out of the saddle. There's something amusing about it. You
>> should try it. But maybe not on Velocity rims.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jim Bronson]

Mine cracked and it was the non-OC.
Just a data point.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 02/28/2017 04:07 PM, LeahFoy wrote:
>
>> This is all very fascinating. Interesting that Steve has also had the
>> Velocity wheels go bad on him. I honestly had no idea Velocity has a
>> history of problems with the rims or I might have contacted them. I noticed
>> today the front wheel is still the Velocity I had prior; no cracks, but
>> I'll be watching.
>>
>
> The front wheels never crack.  It was the OC rims for rear wheels that
> cracked.  I posted an album of photos of rim cracks of Velocity Synergy OC
> photos back in May 2011. https://www.flickr.com/photos/
> 97916047@N00/albums/72157626786487504
>
>
>
>
>> Maybe I'm harder on stuff than you guys are. I remember you all being
>> confused that I had bent a Wald basket, but it is indeed good and bent. And
>> then there's the shifter I also seem to have worn out. Oh, and maybe I had
>> it coming with the broken wheel. I get a kick out of crashing over bumps
>> without rising out of the saddle. There's something amusing about it. You
>> should try it. But maybe not on Velocity rims.
>>
>>
> I don't do any of those things like crashing into bumps, etc.  I do my
> utmost to "ride light."  I do ride big miles, though.  Even so, rims last
> me a long time as a rule: I've worn out the brake track on one rim, and it
> took me around 24 years to do it.  The issue with Velocity Synergy OC rims
> is related to metallurgy, I believe, and they fixed it before they
> discontinued the rims.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jim Bronson]

That's what mine looked like too.  When I told Velocity what I was doing
with it, they replaced it with an Atlas.
260-270 lb rider, Randonneuring and urban riding with a big Carradice with
lots of stuff in it.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> I've already mentioned the Velocity Synergies that cracked at the spoke
> holes.  Here's what they look like:
>
>
> But that's not the only rim I've had that's cracked.  Back in the day I
> had MA40s on my Spectrum.  They cracked and the shop gave me a big song and
> dance that I was the only person in the entire universe who ever had one of
> those rims crack blah blah and surprise, when the internet came along I
> searched and found MA40 rim cracking was a very popular subject of
> discussion, general consensus being it was the hard anodizing that was at
> fault because the rim without it, MA2, was generally considered at the time
> to be the most perfect rim ever created by the hand of Man or God.  And I
> also had a MA3 crack the same way, probably for the same reason.  None of
> these cracked rims was seriously worn.
>
> On 02/28/2017 12:31 PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Garth, it's not beyond the pale of possibility either. I did have cracks
> on a 26"  pair of Araya RM14's I think  which was a bit disconcerting , but
> that's the only rim I can recall having an issue with.They were very light,
> probably too light for me and pounding around are city with its some of its
> 3rd world road surfaces. I'm a little over 5'6" and was  well north of
>  Leah's buck 35 when this happened
>
> However, good on Velocity if they offer replacements; I think that's
> awesome.  I have some Velocity 650B on my new bike; Aeroheats, I think
> they're called.
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:21:11 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Ryan, rims cracking like that is not "normal" by any means.  Add to this
>> the fact the Velocity acknowledges the Synergies cracking and offers
>> replacements and why the are no longer made.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It is my opinion that a decent bike shop should have known about this 
problem and gotten a rim replacement/wheel rebuild for you from Velocity as 
a matter of course. Whoever wrote your original repair ticket obviously 
knew something, with the comment "(not sure they even make that rim any 
more.") He/she should have looked into it further. In this age of 
e-commerce and cutthroat pricing, that would be the kind of knowledge and 
customer service to set apart a local shop from the Wiggles of the world. 
If they have not thrown away the rim yet, it is still not too late to get 
that done. (And even if they have tossed it, send Velocity a link to this 
thread.) Seriously. The only explanation for that rim going bad is (99%) as 
Steve has pointed out, the manufacturing defect/design flaw that these rims 
suffered from.
On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:07:10 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
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> I honestly had no idea Velocity has a history of problems with the rims or 
> I might have contacted them. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Fullylugged]

velocity replaced mine under warranty. (I sent the old wheel and they laced a 
new rim onto my hub)

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Fullylugged]

I have a pair of the Soma Express on my Riv Road and like them a lot.  Stated 
size is 38mm, but they run more like 36. Very smooth. No sand slinging.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[dougP]

" I get a kick out of crashing over bumps without rising out of the saddle. 
There's something amusing about it. You should try it. But maybe not on 
Velocity rims."

A girl's gotta fun, right?  Just opt up for a heavy duty touring rim.  I 
have no experience with the manufacturer in question, but "crashing over 
bumps" is at the extreme end of the technical envelope.  

Data point:  Two of my touring buds have identical, purpose built trekking 
bikes.  One is at least 10 yrs old, and is on the original wheels.  He 
weighs 175, and is not particularly easy on things.  The other guy is on 
his 3rd rear wheel, and opted for a heavy duty, tandem rim with a high 
spoke count (40 or 48?).  He weighs 235, and does a lot of bashing over 
stuff.  

dougP

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 1:07:10 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> This is all very fascinating. Interesting that Steve has also had the 
> Velocity wheels go bad on him. I honestly had no idea Velocity has a 
> history of problems with the rims or I might have contacted them. I noticed 
> today the front wheel is still the Velocity I had prior; no cracks, but 
> I'll be watching.
>
> Maybe I'm harder on stuff than you guys are. I remember you all being 
> confused that I had bent a Wald basket, but it is indeed good and bent. And 
> then there's the shifter I also seem to have worn out. Oh, and maybe I had 
> it coming with the broken wheel. I get a kick out of crashing over bumps 
> without rising out of the saddle. There's something amusing about it. You 
> should try it. But maybe not on Velocity rims.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/28/2017 04:07 PM, LeahFoy wrote:

This is all very fascinating. Interesting that Steve has also had the Velocity 
wheels go bad on him. I honestly had no idea Velocity has a history of problems 
with the rims or I might have contacted them. I noticed today the front wheel 
is still the Velocity I had prior; no cracks, but I'll be watching.


The front wheels never crack.  It was the OC rims for rear wheels that 
cracked.  I posted an album of photos of rim cracks of Velocity Synergy 
OC photos back in May 2011. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/albums/72157626786487504






Maybe I'm harder on stuff than you guys are. I remember you all being confused 
that I had bent a Wald basket, but it is indeed good and bent. And then there's 
the shifter I also seem to have worn out. Oh, and maybe I had it coming with 
the broken wheel. I get a kick out of crashing over bumps without rising out of 
the saddle. There's something amusing about it. You should try it. But maybe 
not on Velocity rims.



I don't do any of those things like crashing into bumps, etc.  I do my 
utmost to "ride light."  I do ride big miles, though.  Even so, rims 
last me a long time as a rule: I've worn out the brake track on one rim, 
and it took me around 24 years to do it.  The issue with Velocity 
Synergy OC rims is related to metallurgy, I believe, and they fixed it 
before they discontinued the rims.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[LeahFoy]

This is all very fascinating. Interesting that Steve has also had the Velocity 
wheels go bad on him. I honestly had no idea Velocity has a history of problems 
with the rims or I might have contacted them. I noticed today the front wheel 
is still the Velocity I had prior; no cracks, but I'll be watching.

Maybe I'm harder on stuff than you guys are. I remember you all being confused 
that I had bent a Wald basket, but it is indeed good and bent. And then there's 
the shifter I also seem to have worn out. Oh, and maybe I had it coming with 
the broken wheel. I get a kick out of crashing over bumps without rising out of 
the saddle. There's something amusing about it. You should try it. But maybe 
not on Velocity rims.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/28/2017 12:06 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:

I thought it unusual that the rim was cracking.  Not saying that the rim is 
defective, but perhaps has been overloaded with all the school supplies.  A 
heavier duty rim may be in order here.  Rims are consumable, but the cracking 
would be a concern for me.  I have decades old rims with no such cracking.



I'll bet Leah plus bike with a porteur rack loaded with concrete paving 
slabs weighs less than many of us do butt naked stepping straight out of 
the shower.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

I've already mentioned the Velocity Synergies that cracked at the spoke 
holes.  Here's what they look like:



But that's not the only rim I've had that's cracked.  Back in the day I 
had MA40s on my Spectrum.  They cracked and the shop gave me a big song 
and dance that I was the only person in the entire universe who ever had 
one of those rims crack blah blah and surprise, when the internet came 
along I searched and found MA40 rim cracking was a very popular subject 
of discussion, general consensus being it was the hard anodizing that 
was at fault because the rim without it, MA2, was generally considered 
at the time to be the most perfect rim ever created by the hand of Man 
or God.  And I also had a MA3 crack the same way, probably for the same 
reason.  None of these cracked rims was seriously worn.



On 02/28/2017 12:31 PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
Garth, it's not beyond the pale of possibility either. I did have 
cracks on a 26"  pair of Araya RM14's I think  which was a bit 
disconcerting , but that's the only rim I can recall having an issue 
with.They were very light, probably too light for me and pounding 
around are city with its some of its 3rd world road surfaces. I'm a 
little over 5'6" and was  well north of  Leah's buck 35 when this 
happened


However, good on Velocity if they offer replacements; I think that's 
awesome.  I have some Velocity 650B on my new bike; Aeroheats, I think 
they're called.


On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:21:11 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:

Ryan, rims cracking like that is not "normal" by any means.  Add
to this the fact the Velocity acknowledges the Synergies cracking
and offers replacements and why the are no longer made.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/28/2017 01:49 PM, Wayne Naha wrote:
If Velocity is acknowledging a problem with the Synergy rims cracking, 
then it seems settled that this is not normal or expected wear.  Too 
bad Leah did not kn ow about this before paying for a new wheel. 
 Otherwise, I think a free replacement rim, including new spokes, and 
the labor for lacing it up to the old hub would have been the decent 
thing for Velocity to offer.


It has been the case for years, and they've done exactly that: free 
replacement rim, shipping both ways, free spokes, free labor. They've 
done mine at least 3 times.  I thought this was common knowledge.




On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:

Ryan, rims cracking like that is not "normal" by any means.  Add
to this the fact the Velocity acknowledges the Synergies cracking
and offers replacements and why the are no longer made.



On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming
wrote:

I think Leah mentioned that the photo was of the old
rimwhich is a consumable in my opinion. They can crack at
the spokes and the braking surface can erode. Not Velocity's
fault here





Very much to the contrary.  There was a problem.  They covered it, and 
the latest replacements (post their move to the US) have been free of 
the issue.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Wayne Naha]

If Velocity is acknowledging a problem with the Synergy rims cracking, then 
it seems settled that this is not normal or expected wear.  Too bad Leah 
did not kn ow about this before paying for a new wheel.  Otherwise, I think 
a free replacement rim, including new spokes, and the labor for lacing it 
up to the old hub would have been the decent thing for Velocity to offer.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> Ryan, rims cracking like that is not "normal" by any means.  Add to this 
> the fact the Velocity acknowledges the Synergies cracking and offers 
> replacements and why the are no longer made. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I think Leah mentioned that the photo was of the old rimwhich is a 
>> consumable in my opinion. They can crack at the spokes and the braking 
>> surface can erode. Not Velocity's fault here
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ray Varella]

If you go back and look at the original pics that Leah posted, you can see 
brake wear at the spokes and see the eyelets pulling away from the rim. 
I don't know how much wear that rim has but if the sidewalls are worn enough to 
cause the sidewalls to bulge at the spoke holes then it's a pretty well worn 
rim. 

If the spokes bulging and the eyelets pulling are an indication of too much 
tension or a defective rim then a message to the manufacturer might be in 
order. 

Rims are consumable and it's possible it lived a useful life. Several years of 
hard braking on downhills seems pretty reasonable. 
If it was a new wheel and this happened in the first year of use then that 
would seem premature. 

Using a bike for everyday transportation assumes some level of maintenance and 
replacement of consumables. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

Garth, it's not beyond the pale of possibility either. I did have cracks on 
a 26"  pair of Araya RM14's I think  which was a bit disconcerting , but 
that's the only rim I can recall having an issue with.They were very light, 
probably too light for me and pounding around are city with its some of its 
3rd world road surfaces. I'm a little over 5'6" and was  well north of 
 Leah's buck 35 when this happened

However, good on Velocity if they offer replacements; I think that's 
awesome.  I have some Velocity 650B on my new bike; Aeroheats, I think 
they're called.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:21:11 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> Ryan, rims cracking like that is not "normal" by any means.  Add to this 
> the fact the Velocity acknowledges the Synergies cracking and offers 
> replacements and why the are no longer made. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I think Leah mentioned that the photo was of the old rimwhich is a 
>> consumable in my opinion. They can crack at the spokes and the braking 
>> surface can erode. Not Velocity's fault here
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Garth]

Ryan, rims cracking like that is not "normal" by any means.  Add to this 
the fact the Velocity acknowledges the Synergies cracking and offers 
replacements and why the are no longer made. 



On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I think Leah mentioned that the photo was of the old rimwhich is a 
> consumable in my opinion. They can crack at the spokes and the braking 
> surface can erode. Not Velocity's fault here
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

I would like to point out here that I am 5’ 6”, and a buck 35. Because if my 
rim is shot and this is unusual, I’m sure you’re imagining plausible reasons 
why! Lots of self-deprecating jokes are swirling through my head right now…

I don’t carry that much stuff in the rear. The worst of it is in the front 
basket, supported by my Nitto Big Front Rack. Maybe it was that one that 
cracked - I guess they didn’t specify.
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Wayne Naha  wrote:
> 
> I thought it unusual that the rim was cracking.  Not saying that the rim is 
> defective, but perhaps has been overloaded with all the school supplies.  A 
> heavier duty rim may be in order here.  Rims are consumable, but the cracking 
> would be a concern for me.  I have decades old rims with no such cracking.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Wayne Naha]

I thought it unusual that the rim was cracking.  Not saying that the rim is 
defective, but perhaps has been overloaded with all the school supplies.  A 
heavier duty rim may be in order here.  Rims are consumable, but the cracking 
would be a concern for me.  I have decades old rims with no such cracking.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

I think Leah mentioned that the photo was of the old rimwhich is a 
consumable in my opinion. They can crack at the spokes and the braking 
surface can erode. Not Velocity's fault here

On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> And you also need to contact Velocity regarding that cracking rear rim.  
> I'm not sure what they're replacing them with now, since the Synergy is no 
> longer available, but they replaced several, completely rebuilding the 
> wheel at no charge, for me in the past.
>
> On 02/26/2017 11:22 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>
> You know what? I just realized it said right on my invoice "need to order 
> Conti Tour Ride tires"!!! So they did make the change without my permission!
> [image: image1.JPG]
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 26, 2017, at 8:08 PM, dougP  
> wrote:
>
> BMX tires in a 650B size?  Are these for adult BMX bikes?  
>
> Since the mechanic suggested "why not go with what you have?" & you 
> agreed, I think you have a basis to return the BMX tires & get the ones you 
> thought you were getting.  In good faith, the owner should have at least 
> called you to let you know he'd made a change.  Probably really busy, 
> didn't have time, etc., but since you're not 100% satisfied AND you brought 
> it in with something you liked, I'd suggest giving it a try.  You said the 
> mechanic was nice, that's worth something.  If everything else came right, 
> I'd push for the change as you want to build a relationship with a LBS, and 
> relationships are a 2 way street.  It's really not the owner's place to 
> decide what the customer needs unless asked.  My 2 cents, anyway.
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:36:36 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: 
>>
>> Flat protection is TOTALLY priority for me. I *ducks head here* don't 
>> know how to change flats and don't really want to learn. I just want tires 
>> that do exactly what my last Continental tires did - give me zero trouble. 
>> I rode those tires thousands of miles and never a flat. 
>>
>> So, tell me what Schwalbes I should get. My tires are 38, I think. You 
>> know what I want, just tell me what to order. As far as the bike shop, I 
>> don't think I want to ask them to help me with an exchange. I know how hard 
>> it is for businesses to make money, and the mechanics were really nice, and 
>> I didn't specify what tires to put on the bike, so it's mostly my fault. I 
>> did ask what they thought to put on there when I initially dropped off the 
>> bike and the mechanic said, "How about the same tires you have on already?" 
>> so I thought they were going with that.  But I didn't TELL them, and I 
>> ought to have. The issue likely came when the owner got involved. When I 
>> came for the bike, I asked about the tires and the owner was all excited 
>> about these tires he had chosen for my bike and he said so. He's a genuine 
>> roadie and all the stereotypical stuff that goes with that, so our 
>> preferences are polar opposites. Lesson learned! Know what you want and 
>> politely ask for it. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Feb 26, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
>> row.n.2...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Leah, 
>> > Remember if you don't ask you will never know. Ask the bike shop for an 
>> exchange. Worst case they say no.You walk away unhappy and they lose a 
>> customer.They can put the exchanged tires on another bike or sell them at a 
>> reduced price.The bike shop I worked at did that all the time.The same with 
>> saddles. We wanted the customer to be happy. 
>> > If  flat protection is a priority 
>> > 
>> > over comfort go with the Schwalbe tires. 
>> > Like others I question putting bmx tires on your bike.I'd ask them why 
>> they chose those tires???Almost like they were taking advantage of you. 
>> > Good luck. 
>> > Jon 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Daniel D.]

I dont know, seems like a nitpicky reason to return a tire...

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Garth]

Leah as I mentioned above you can get your exact same tire you had before, the 
Conti Tour Ride 42-584 27.5 x 1.5 
While this is just one retailer, they do at least have them in stock. This, 
assuming a self install. 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0035Y3HP8/ref=twister_dp_update?_encoding=UTF8=1

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[dougP]

BMX tires in a 650B size?  Are these for adult BMX bikes?  

Since the mechanic suggested "why not go with what you have?" & you agreed, 
I think you have a basis to return the BMX tires & get the ones you thought 
you were getting.  In good faith, the owner should have at least called you 
to let you know he'd made a change.  Probably really busy, didn't have 
time, etc., but since you're not 100% satisfied AND you brought it in with 
something you liked, I'd suggest giving it a try.  You said the mechanic 
was nice, that's worth something.  If everything else came right, I'd push 
for the change as you want to build a relationship with a LBS, and 
relationships are a 2 way street.  It's really not the owner's place to 
decide what the customer needs unless asked.  My 2 cents, anyway.

dougP

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:36:36 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Flat protection is TOTALLY priority for me. I *ducks head here* don't know 
> how to change flats and don't really want to learn. I just want tires that 
> do exactly what my last Continental tires did - give me zero trouble. I 
> rode those tires thousands of miles and never a flat. 
>
> So, tell me what Schwalbes I should get. My tires are 38, I think. You 
> know what I want, just tell me what to order. As far as the bike shop, I 
> don't think I want to ask them to help me with an exchange. I know how hard 
> it is for businesses to make money, and the mechanics were really nice, and 
> I didn't specify what tires to put on the bike, so it's mostly my fault. I 
> did ask what they thought to put on there when I initially dropped off the 
> bike and the mechanic said, "How about the same tires you have on already?" 
> so I thought they were going with that.  But I didn't TELL them, and I 
> ought to have. The issue likely came when the owner got involved. When I 
> came for the bike, I asked about the tires and the owner was all excited 
> about these tires he had chosen for my bike and he said so. He's a genuine 
> roadie and all the stereotypical stuff that goes with that, so our 
> preferences are polar opposites. Lesson learned! Know what you want and 
> politely ask for it. 
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Feb 26, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
> row.n.2...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > Leah, 
> > Remember if you don't ask you will never know. Ask the bike shop for an 
> exchange. Worst case they say no.You walk away unhappy and they lose a 
> customer.They can put the exchanged tires on another bike or sell them at a 
> reduced price.The bike shop I worked at did that all the time.The same with 
> saddles. We wanted the customer to be happy. 
> > If  flat protection is a priority 
> > 
> > over comfort go with the Schwalbe tires. 
> > Like others I question putting bmx tires on your bike.I'd ask them why 
> they chose those tires???Almost like they were taking advantage of you. 
> > Good luck. 
> > Jon 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jeffrey B]

The little big bens are great tires in a 38mm width. I've got 5000+ miles on 
mine in lots of conditions off road and on, and they still have a ton of life 
left. Good luck!

PS: I agree with the other posters about the sand spray dying down after a few 
more miles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jon Dukeman]

Leah,
If you liked those Continentals go with them.
If you want a change try Schwalbe touring tires.Not sure they have flat
protection tire in your size.
Did you say yours  was 650b???
You might give Rivendell a call tell them you want best flat protection
tire.
Or ride the tires you got and see if they improve.
I'm not much help am I  ??LOL
Jon


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On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Flat protection is TOTALLY priority for me. I *ducks head here* don't know
> how to change flats and don't really want to learn. I just want tires that
> do exactly what my last Continental tires did - give me zero trouble. I
> rode those tires thousands of miles and never a flat.
>
> So, tell me what Schwalbes I should get. My tires are 38, I think. You
> know what I want, just tell me what to order. As far as the bike shop, I
> don't think I want to ask them to help me with an exchange. I know how hard
> it is for businesses to make money, and the mechanics were really nice, and
> I didn't specify what tires to put on the bike, so it's mostly my fault. I
> did ask what they thought to put on there when I initially dropped off the
> bike and the mechanic said, "How about the same tires you have on already?"
> so I thought they were going with that.  But I didn't TELL them, and I
> ought to have. The issue likely came when the owner got involved. When I
> came for the bike, I asked about the tires and the owner was all excited
> about these tires he had chosen for my bike and he said so. He's a genuine
> roadie and all the stereotypical stuff that goes with that, so our
> preferences are polar opposites. Lesson learned! Know what you want and
> politely ask for it.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 26, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
> row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Leah,
> > Remember if you don't ask you will never know. Ask the bike shop for an
> exchange. Worst case they say no.You walk away unhappy and they lose a
> customer.They can put the exchanged tires on another bike or sell them at a
> reduced price.The bike shop I worked at did that all the time.The same with
> saddles. We wanted the customer to be happy.
> > If  flat protection is a priority
> >
> > over comfort go with the Schwalbe tires.
> > Like others I question putting bmx tires on your bike.I'd ask them why
> they chose those tires???Almost like they were taking advantage of you.
> > Good luck.
> > Jon
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

Flat protection is TOTALLY priority for me. I *ducks head here* don't know how 
to change flats and don't really want to learn. I just want tires that do 
exactly what my last Continental tires did - give me zero trouble. I rode those 
tires thousands of miles and never a flat. 

So, tell me what Schwalbes I should get. My tires are 38, I think. You know 
what I want, just tell me what to order. As far as the bike shop, I don't think 
I want to ask them to help me with an exchange. I know how hard it is for 
businesses to make money, and the mechanics were really nice, and I didn't 
specify what tires to put on the bike, so it's mostly my fault. I did ask what 
they thought to put on there when I initially dropped off the bike and the 
mechanic said, "How about the same tires you have on already?" so I thought 
they were going with that.  But I didn't TELL them, and I ought to have. The 
issue likely came when the owner got involved. When I came for the bike, I 
asked about the tires and the owner was all excited about these tires he had 
chosen for my bike and he said so. He's a genuine roadie and all the 
stereotypical stuff that goes with that, so our preferences are polar 
opposites. Lesson learned! Know what you want and politely ask for it.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 26, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado 
>  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> Remember if you don't ask you will never know. Ask the bike shop for an 
> exchange. Worst case they say no.You walk away unhappy and they lose a 
> customer.They can put the exchanged tires on another bike or sell them at a 
> reduced price.The bike shop I worked at did that all the time.The same with 
> saddles. We wanted the customer to be happy.
> If  flat protection is a priority
> 
> over comfort go with the Schwalbe tires.
> Like others I question putting bmx tires on your bike.I'd ask them why they 
> chose those tires???Almost like they were taking advantage of you.
> Good luck.
> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Leah,
Remember if you don't ask you will never know. Ask the bike shop for an 
exchange. Worst case they say no.You walk away unhappy and they lose a 
customer.They can put the exchanged tires on another bike or sell them at a 
reduced price.The bike shop I worked at did that all the time.The same with 
saddles. We wanted the customer to be happy.
If  flat protection is a priority

over comfort go with the Schwalbe tires.
Like others I question putting bmx tires on your bike.I'd ask them why they 
chose those tires???Almost like they were taking advantage of you.
Good luck.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Garth]

I wouldn't let the classification "bmx" sway you Leah. Yes, it seems a very 
odd since bmx bikes that I know of don't have 27.5" wheels !I did 
finally find a website where they are listed and that is Tioga's Japanese 
website, gee why didn't I think to look there first ?! Ahahahaah !   It's 
the only place I could find any record of them existing in 27.5.  
http://tiogajpn.com/products/tire/tir28800.html   

Could you speak to the shop first and see if they can offer you a solution 
to your satisfaction? Nobody wants to ride tires they don't like and 
everyone understands that. 

You know, I like to listen to christmas music all the time  I only 
mention this because everything always works out no matter how I may want 
to argue about it :) 




On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:37:18 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> It was nice enough for a family bike ride yesterday, so we took a new 
> trails ways from home. I was hoping the sand spray would stop with some 
> miles on the bike. I do think it's better, but still happens now and again. 
> I was dismayed to find out these are BMX race tires? (See Garth's link.) 
> Ever since, I've rather unfairly set my opinion against them. Out of 
> curiosity, I went to Rivendell's site and noticed these beautiful tires : 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/tires/products/soma-new-xpress-650b-x-38-34-71-express-terracotta-tread
>
> Should I have gotten these instead? Who has these? What say you? And would 
> that color just be drop dead gorgeous with TBBITW or what? 
>
> If I DID decide to buy them, I'm thinking I will find another LBS to 
> install them - not sure I can face the other one. I'd feel so embarrassed. 
> What to do with the BMX tires? They can't be returned, I'm sure.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
> row.n.2...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Leah,
> I wonder if your new tires have a taller profile than the old ones and 
> that might be causing all the scraping of pebbles and noise from sand and 
> gravel scraping the fenders.
> My Sam and Cheviot have the same tires. The Sam has P45 fenders and I hear 
> pebbles, & sand scraping the fender all the time.The Cheviot has P50 
> fenders with more clearance and I rarely hear any scraping of pebbles or 
> leaves.
> Just a thought.
> It might be the stickiness of the rubber throwing sand like others have 
> said.
> Enjoy your new ride.
> Jon
>
> On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 11:06:50 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
>> Garth, I laughed out loud at the visual created with "sleigh ride down 
>> the hillside." Can't tell you why, it was just an apt description and I 
>> could feel it. 
>>
>> I'll stick it out with these tires for awhile. I've got hope after 
>> reading that some others had the same and it improved with mileage. 
>>
>> I'm just so happy to have my bike back. My birthday is this weekend and 
>> guess what -mama found a new paved bike trail! This means the rest of my 
>> family must not complain about however many miles I decide we should go. 
>>
>> Patrick - cool photo. A keepsake. All your ideas were good so, naturally 
>> I've implemented zero because, well, I don't know anything about that 
>> stuff. Including how to fix a flat. *Ducks for cover here.*  
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Feb 24, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Garth  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Get the tires you want Leah ! While the shop owner may think what he 
>> put on is swell, but since you're the one that actually rides your 
>> bike(along with furry friend), that's about all there is to that. Reminds 
>> me of a back seat driver    I once had some Dunlop new auto tires 
>> that were supposedly wonderful. on the way home I going down my usual 
>> steep hill I was frightened for my life for the first time in my life 
>> driving an auto, it felt like the tires were going to come off the rims and 
>> I'd be on a sleigh ride down the hillside. Right back to the shop and 
>> returned them and have ridden my preferred Michelin tires ever since. You 
>> like what you like... 
>> > 
>> > The Conti tires you had have changed name to the Ride Tour and come in 
>> the size you need so have them get some or from some-one. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ian A]

Your new tires just need a few more miles on them. I find tires need 100 miles 
or so before they right. Give your new tires a bit more time and the likelihood 
is you'll like them just fine. 

IanA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[WETH]

Leah,
Glad you had a good family ride.
I agree those Somas would look nice on your Betty.  I have the black tread 
version on my Romulus: 
(https://www.rivbike.com/collections/tires/products/soma-new-xpress-650b-x-38-34-71-express-black-tread)
I like how they ride, but I have gotten 3 flats in 1500 miles of riding. That 
is more than I get with Schwalbe and Compass tires over similar distances and 
routes.  Still the Somas are nice tires and ride well.
Best wishes,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

Hi All,

It was nice enough for a family bike ride yesterday, so we took a new trails 
ways from home. I was hoping the sand spray would stop with some miles on the 
bike. I do think it's better, but still happens now and again. I was dismayed 
to find out these are BMX race tires? (See Garth's link.) Ever since, I've 
rather unfairly set my opinion against them. Out of curiosity, I went to 
Rivendell's site and noticed these beautiful tires : 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/tires/products/soma-new-xpress-650b-x-38-34-71-express-terracotta-tread

Should I have gotten these instead? Who has these? What say you? And would that 
color just be drop dead gorgeous with TBBITW or what? 

If I DID decide to buy them, I'm thinking I will find another LBS to install 
them - not sure I can face the other one. I'd feel so embarrassed. What to do 
with the BMX tires? They can't be returned, I'm sure.



Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado 
>  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> I wonder if your new tires have a taller profile than the old ones and that 
> might be causing all the scraping of pebbles and noise from sand and gravel 
> scraping the fenders.
> My Sam and Cheviot have the same tires. The Sam has P45 fenders and I hear 
> pebbles, & sand scraping the fender all the time.The Cheviot has P50 fenders 
> with more clearance and I rarely hear any scraping of pebbles or leaves.
> Just a thought.
> It might be the stickiness of the rubber throwing sand like others have said.
> Enjoy your new ride.
> Jon
> 
>> On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 11:06:50 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>> Garth, I laughed out loud at the visual created with "sleigh ride down the 
>> hillside." Can't tell you why, it was just an apt description and I could 
>> feel it. 
>> 
>> I'll stick it out with these tires for awhile. I've got hope after reading 
>> that some others had the same and it improved with mileage. 
>> 
>> I'm just so happy to have my bike back. My birthday is this weekend and 
>> guess what -mama found a new paved bike trail! This means the rest of my 
>> family must not complain about however many miles I decide we should go. 
>> 
>> Patrick - cool photo. A keepsake. All your ideas were good so, naturally 
>> I've implemented zero because, well, I don't know anything about that stuff. 
>> Including how to fix a flat. *Ducks for cover here.*  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> > On Feb 24, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Garth  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Get the tires you want Leah ! While the shop owner may think what he put 
>> > on is swell, but since you're the one that actually rides your bike(along 
>> > with furry friend), that's about all there is to that. Reminds me of a 
>> > back seat driver    I once had some Dunlop new auto tires that were 
>> > supposedly wonderful. on the way home I going down my usual steep hill 
>> > I was frightened for my life for the first time in my life driving an 
>> > auto, it felt like the tires were going to come off the rims and I'd be on 
>> > a sleigh ride down the hillside. Right back to the shop and returned them 
>> > and have ridden my preferred Michelin tires ever since. You like what you 
>> > like... 
>> > 
>> > The Conti tires you had have changed name to the Ride Tour and come in the 
>> > size you need so have them get some or from some-one. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Leah,
I wonder if your new tires have a taller profile than the old ones and that 
might be causing all the scraping of pebbles and noise from sand and 
gravel scraping the fenders.
My Sam and Cheviot have the same tires. The Sam has P45 fenders and I hear 
pebbles, & sand scraping the fender all the time.The Cheviot has P50 
fenders with more clearance and I rarely hear any scraping of pebbles or 
leaves.
Just a thought.
It might be the stickiness of the rubber throwing sand like others have 
said.
Enjoy your new ride.
Jon

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 11:06:50 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

> Garth, I laughed out loud at the visual created with "sleigh ride down the 
> hillside." Can't tell you why, it was just an apt description and I could 
> feel it. 
>
> I'll stick it out with these tires for awhile. I've got hope after reading 
> that some others had the same and it improved with mileage. 
>
> I'm just so happy to have my bike back. My birthday is this weekend and 
> guess what -mama found a new paved bike trail! This means the rest of my 
> family must not complain about however many miles I decide we should go. 
>
> Patrick - cool photo. A keepsake. All your ideas were good so, naturally 
> I've implemented zero because, well, I don't know anything about that 
> stuff. Including how to fix a flat. *Ducks for cover here.*  
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Feb 24, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Garth  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Get the tires you want Leah ! While the shop owner may think what he put 
> on is swell, but since you're the one that actually rides your bike(along 
> with furry friend), that's about all there is to that. Reminds me of a back 
> seat driver    I once had some Dunlop new auto tires that were 
> supposedly wonderful. on the way home I going down my usual steep hill 
> I was frightened for my life for the first time in my life driving an auto, 
> it felt like the tires were going to come off the rims and I'd be on a 
> sleigh ride down the hillside. Right back to the shop and returned them and 
> have ridden my preferred Michelin tires ever since. You like what you 
> like... 
> > 
> > The Conti tires you had have changed name to the Ride Tour and come in 
> the size you need so have them get some or from some-one. 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Garth]

 Seems like you may be "sticking" with them for awhile indeed!  Curiously, 
the Racer X tires is marketed as a bmx ties (Betty BMXers). The extra 
grippiness is part of the design and the rubber has been "chemically etched" 
just in case enouh needs a little more help. 

http://www.tiogausa.com/bmx_race/products/tires/fastr-x/

But you know. thinking is alright and all, you knowcomparing, measuring 
wondering 'bout this and that and how it could be another this and that as if 
one is really any different than the other. Nothing beats just merrily riding 
along completely "unattached and unconditioned" from/by all that seemed to 
weigh you down. I can find no other words for what I am referring to of course 
but we all know what I mean since it's the most natural thing in all the 
world

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

Garth, I laughed out loud at the visual created with "sleigh ride down the 
hillside." Can't tell you why, it was just an apt description and I could feel 
it. 

I'll stick it out with these tires for awhile. I've got hope after reading that 
some others had the same and it improved with mileage.

I'm just so happy to have my bike back. My birthday is this weekend and guess 
what -mama found a new paved bike trail! This means the rest of my family must 
not complain about however many miles I decide we should go. 

Patrick - cool photo. A keepsake. All your ideas were good so, naturally I've 
implemented zero because, well, I don't know anything about that stuff. 
Including how to fix a flat. *Ducks for cover here.* 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> Get the tires you want Leah ! While the shop owner may think what he put on 
> is swell, but since you're the one that actually rides your bike(along with 
> furry friend), that's about all there is to that. Reminds me of a back seat 
> driver    I once had some Dunlop new auto tires that were supposedly 
> wonderful. on the way home I going down my usual steep hill I was 
> frightened for my life for the first time in my life driving an auto, it felt 
> like the tires were going to come off the rims and I'd be on a sleigh ride 
> down the hillside. Right back to the shop and returned them and have ridden 
> my preferred Michelin tires ever since. You like what you like...
> 
> The Conti tires you had have changed name to the Ride Tour and come in the 
> size you need so have them get some or from some-one. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It appears from the mechanic's notations that Leah posted that the rim was 
a 36-hole Velocity Synergy. 

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> I'm curious what those cracking rear rims were. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/24/2017 06:40 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

I took back the Bets! I don't know about these new tires, though. They seem to 
spit sand everywhere. I test rode it up and down the street and there was all 
this racket - rocks/sand spitting all over under the fenders. Weird. I don't 
know anything about these tires, but the shop owner thinks they're terrific, 
and says they have some flat protection. I miss my old tires.




I had that happen with a pair of new Paselas a few years ago.  It went 
away after about 20 miles.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ray Varella]

The tires might not pick up as much detritus once they get a little scuffed. 
Hopefully. 

Your encounter with the fellow at the bike shop made for an interesting 
juxtaposition. Even when I rode 300 miles a week, I never thought it was 
expensive 
I must have been doing it wrong. 

Cycling is a big tent and there are no wrong ways to enjoy it. 
Attempting to instill our personal dogma on others...that gets a little 
crunchy. 

Good for you for knowing what works for you. 

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Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Garth]

Get the tires you want Leah ! While the shop owner may think what he put on is 
swell, but since you're the one that actually rides your bike(along with furry 
friend), that's about all there is to that. Reminds me of a back seat driver 
   I once had some Dunlop new auto tires that were supposedly wonderful. 
on the way home I going down my usual steep hill I was frightened for my life 
for the first time in my life driving an auto, it felt like the tires were 
going to come off the rims and I'd be on a sleigh ride down the hillside. Right 
back to the shop and returned them and have ridden my preferred Michelin tires 
ever since. You like what you like...
 
The Conti tires you had have changed name to the Ride Tour and come in the size 
you need so have them get some or from some-one. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[franklyn]

What rim/wheel did the bike shop order to replace your rear wheel? I am 
just curious about what's the "garden variety" rim brake 650b rim for LBS 
nowadays.

Franklyn

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>
> I took back the Bets! I don't know about these new tires, though. They 
> seem to spit sand everywhere. I test rode it up and down the street and 
> there was all this racket - rocks/sand spitting all over under the fenders. 
> Weird. I don't know anything about these tires, but the shop owner thinks 
> they're terrific, and says they have some flat protection. I miss my old 
> tires. 
>
> I attached some pics of the bike and the tires and one of the old wheel so 
> you can see the cracks around the spokes. There were many that were 
> cracked. Also, check out the pic of the invoice and what the mechanic says 
> about my rims. Haha! 
>
> I met a roadie while I was waiting there. He rides no fewer than 300 miles 
> per week, and 12000+ miles per year though he's currently sidelined with a 
> saddle sore. I mentioned the Brooks and he said he can't possibly because 
> it's waaayyy too heavy but acknowledges they're really comfortable. So, 
> saddle sores it is. He gets new tires every other month at $150 a pop, and 
> buys gels and goops by the armfuls  "because it's too hard for me to eat on 
> the bike." He bemoans how expensive cycling is but calls it his therapy. He 
> thinks I need a road bike. I think he needs Just Ride. 
>
> Anyway, everyone at school has been so worried about me "Hey, don't you 
> ride the bike?" so it will be good to sail onto campus on TBBITW next week. 
>
> Thanks for all your help and advice and funny comments. You light up my 
> bike life! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ray Varella]

That is a lot of bells. Perhaps you should consider adding a HonkaHoota to the 
mix. 
It would really add to his one man band handlebar. 


Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Bill Lindsay]

I gotta get me a Rivelo bandanna.  

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> I know, I know. The good news is I got the Husband Clem today so I'm back 
> in business, I hope. 
>
> The other good news is the shop that worked on the Hotrock made it look 
> new. Wow. He's been hard on that bike - four years' worth of abuse. "Here 
> it is," they said, "Bells and all!" I don't think they understand about my 
> bells, but you will when you see.  I took a photo and put a Rivelo dog in 
> it for Riv content. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Joe Bernard]

Dats alotta bells!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

nope  afraid I don't either

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 3:45:33 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Good point Ryan.  I don't ever take my Rivendells places and lock them 
> up.  I only use my beater bike for that, an 80s gas-pipe Nishiki.
>
> -Jim
>
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>> Jim makes a good point...custom dreams aside. That bike  in Vegas looks 
>> to be in pretty decent shape for $100. It does not look like it was ridden 
>> much. If it fits and you don't have to put too much into it it might not be 
>> a bad buy if BBITW is temporarily out of action. The Schwinn may be less 
>> attractive to thieves, too. I *would not* want to hear that the Bets got 
>> stolen. A good second/beater bike is a nice option to have for escorting 
>> your boys to school, running errands, etc.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:14:40 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> +albatross bars
>>> +decent saddle
>>> +decent tires
>>>
>>> Still, way cheaper than a new bike.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
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 Didn't you say you were near Las Vegas?

 For $100 you can have a spare bike:
 https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/6010365904.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jim Bronson]

Good point Ryan.  I don't ever take my Rivendells places and lock them up.
I only use my beater bike for that, an 80s gas-pipe Nishiki.

-Jim

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> Jim makes a good point...custom dreams aside. That bike  in Vegas looks to
> be in pretty decent shape for $100. It does not look like it was ridden
> much. If it fits and you don't have to put too much into it it might not be
> a bad buy if BBITW is temporarily out of action. The Schwinn may be less
> attractive to thieves, too. I *would not* want to hear that the Bets got
> stolen. A good second/beater bike is a nice option to have for escorting
> your boys to school, running errands, etc.
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:14:40 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> +albatross bars
>> +decent saddle
>> +decent tires
>>
>> Still, way cheaper than a new bike.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't you say you were near Las Vegas?
>>>
>>> For $100 you can have a spare bike:
>>> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/6010365904.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

Jim makes a good point...custom dreams aside. That bike  in Vegas looks to 
be in pretty decent shape for $100. It does not look like it was ridden 
much. If it fits and you don't have to put too much into it it might not be 
a bad buy if BBITW is temporarily out of action. The Schwinn may be less 
attractive to thieves, too. I *would not* want to hear that the Bets got 
stolen. A good second/beater bike is a nice option to have for escorting 
your boys to school, running errands, etc.

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:14:40 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> +albatross bars
> +decent saddle
> +decent tires
>
> Still, way cheaper than a new bike.
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Edwin W  > wrote:
>
>> Didn't you say you were near Las Vegas?
>>
>> For $100 you can have a spare bike:
>> https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/6010365904.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Jim Bronson]

+albatross bars
+decent saddle
+decent tires

Still, way cheaper than a new bike.

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[RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[LeahFoy]

This bike is pribably 10 minutes from me! How tempting.

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[RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Edwin W]

Didn't you say you were near Las Vegas?

For $100 you can have a spare bike:
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[RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

They certainly do make nice tires...but I've found the 26 X 1.5'' mclure 
pass not nearly as durable as the Paselas w Tourguard and kevlar bead  (3 
flats last summer)... they replaced. I know you have a 650B wheel. 
Durability is something you may want to consider...the 650B Paselas I have 
on my new mixte look like they'll be good ..but there are other good 
durable choices as well. What were you using before?

On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 8:00:07 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> y'know, compass makes some really nice tires.  Might be a fun change of 
> pace.
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 4:00:48 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> I am no bike mechanic, as the following photos will prove. But I do check 
>> things out and (mostly) notice when things are wrong, honest! I bought my 
>> bike in late 2012 from RBW headquarters, and I don't get to ride as much as 
>> a lot of you folks, so I thought I was doing alright with the tire tread. I 
>> have a fendered bike, and I now know that YOU MUST NOT EVALUATE YOUR BACK 
>> TIRE  SOLELY BY LOOKING AT YOUR FRONT TIRE. 
>>
>> I was sitting cross-legged, waiting for the boys to be dismissed from 
>> school. Imagine my shock. The first photo shows the deceptive angle in 
>> which I thought all was well. The second reveals the painful truth. It 
>> would be a looonnn trek pushing that bike uphill loaded with school 
>> stuff. To the bike shop I go, in the morning!
>>
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[RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[dougP]

That one was "worn out" quite a while ago, actually.  While it's satisfying 
to eke out that last mile, tires worn down to the casing become very easy 
to flat, and depending on the situation potentially dangerous. Replacing 
before you've squeezed out the last mile can be done at home at your 
convenience.  Even spendy treads like Compass beat the cost & hassle of a 
visit to the ER should a tire flat at the wrong moment. 

Sorry to be such a downer about this but there is a counterpoint to the 
"you done good" side of wearing out tires.  

dougP

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> I am no bike mechanic, as the following photos will prove. But I do check 
> things out and (mostly) notice when things are wrong, honest! I bought my 
> bike in late 2012 from RBW headquarters, and I don't get to ride as much as 
> a lot of you folks, so I thought I was doing alright with the tire tread. I 
> have a fendered bike, and I now know that YOU MUST NOT EVALUATE YOUR BACK 
> TIRE  SOLELY BY LOOKING AT YOUR FRONT TIRE. 
>
> I was sitting cross-legged, waiting for the boys to be dismissed from 
> school. Imagine my shock. The first photo shows the deceptive angle in 
> which I thought all was well. The second reveals the painful truth. It 
> would be a looonnn trek pushing that bike uphill loaded with school 
> stuff. To the bike shop I go, in the morning!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Bill Lindsay]

Wearing out a tire to the casing should be worn like a badge of courage. 
 RESPECT.  I'm proud of you, and glad it didn't fail far from home.  Most 
Betty Foy owners don't accomplish that.  Softies like me who have WAY too 
many bikes rarely accomplish that, either.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 6:06:57 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Bill, not only will I ask about the chain, I'm going to bring this whole 
> reel of emails and read it to them! We'll input ALL the suggestions!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Sky Coulter  > wrote:
>
> y'know, compass makes some really nice tires.  Might be a fun change of 
> pace.
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 4:00:48 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> I am no bike mechanic, as the following photos will prove. But I do check 
>> things out and (mostly) notice when things are wrong, honest! I bought my 
>> bike in late 2012 from RBW headquarters, and I don't get to ride as much as 
>> a lot of you folks, so I thought I was doing alright with the tire tread. I 
>> have a fendered bike, and I now know that YOU MUST NOT EVALUATE YOUR BACK 
>> TIRE  SOLELY BY LOOKING AT YOUR FRONT TIRE. 
>>
>> I was sitting cross-legged, waiting for the boys to be dismissed from 
>> school. Imagine my shock. The first photo shows the deceptive angle in 
>> which I thought all was well. The second reveals the painful truth. It 
>> would be a looonnn trek pushing that bike uphill loaded with school 
>> stuff. To the bike shop I go, in the morning!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

Bill, not only will I ask about the chain, I'm going to bring this whole reel 
of emails and read it to them! We'll input ALL the suggestions!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Sky Coulter  wrote:
> 
> y'know, compass makes some really nice tires.  Might be a fun change of pace.
> 
> Sky in new west
> 
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 4:00:48 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>> I am no bike mechanic, as the following photos will prove. But I do check 
>> things out and (mostly) notice when things are wrong, honest! I bought my 
>> bike in late 2012 from RBW headquarters, and I don't get to ride as much as 
>> a lot of you folks, so I thought I was doing alright with the tire tread. I 
>> have a fendered bike, and I now know that YOU MUST NOT EVALUATE YOUR BACK 
>> TIRE  SOLELY BY LOOKING AT YOUR FRONT TIRE.
>> I was sitting cross-legged, waiting for the boys to be dismissed from 
>> school. Imagine my shock. The first photo shows the deceptive angle in which 
>> I thought all was well. The second reveals the painful truth. It would be a 
>> looonnn trek pushing that bike uphill loaded with school stuff. To the 
>> bike shop I go, in the morning!
>> 
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[RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Sky Coulter]

y'know, compass makes some really nice tires.  Might be a fun change of 
pace.

Sky in new west

On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 4:00:48 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I am no bike mechanic, as the following photos will prove. But I do check 
> things out and (mostly) notice when things are wrong, honest! I bought my 
> bike in late 2012 from RBW headquarters, and I don't get to ride as much as 
> a lot of you folks, so I thought I was doing alright with the tire tread. I 
> have a fendered bike, and I now know that YOU MUST NOT EVALUATE YOUR BACK 
> TIRE  SOLELY BY LOOKING AT YOUR FRONT TIRE. 
>
> I was sitting cross-legged, waiting for the boys to be dismissed from 
> school. Imagine my shock. The first photo shows the deceptive angle in 
> which I thought all was well. The second reveals the painful truth. It 
> would be a looonnn trek pushing that bike uphill loaded with school 
> stuff. To the bike shop I go, in the morning!
>

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[RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Bill Lindsay]

Yep. That rear tire is used up!  GREAT work!  

Have the shop check your chain for wear at the same time.  Promise?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 4:00:48 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I am no bike mechanic, as the following photos will prove. But I do check 
> things out and (mostly) notice when things are wrong, honest! I bought my 
> bike in late 2012 from RBW headquarters, and I don't get to ride as much as 
> a lot of you folks, so I thought I was doing alright with the tire tread. I 
> have a fendered bike, and I now know that YOU MUST NOT EVALUATE YOUR BACK 
> TIRE  SOLELY BY LOOKING AT YOUR FRONT TIRE. 
>
> I was sitting cross-legged, waiting for the boys to be dismissed from 
> school. Imagine my shock. The first photo shows the deceptive angle in 
> which I thought all was well. The second reveals the painful truth. It 
> would be a looonnn trek pushing that bike uphill loaded with school 
> stuff. To the bike shop I go, in the morning!
>

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