[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Is the original poster confused?? Sorry, the discussion around index shifting got rather technical. Please let us know if there are any unanswered questions! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Hear hear! Yes, my apologies! As much as I love my Phil wheel, I'd've stayed with XT hubs if I hadn't had so many wheel issues previously OR if I'd wanted particularly to stick with cassettes. And I believe I wouldn't have had prior wheel problems if I weighed 225 instead of 250. I'd save the money or spend it on a rack and/or a nice bag. Or maybe a *really* good lock; those Betty Foys are sharp! :) Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 20, 8:11 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Is the original poster confused?? Sorry, the discussion around index shifting got rather technical. Please let us know if there are any unanswered questions! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
White industries M15 hubs are pretty much bomb proof - they look perdy - lighter than the Phil's and cost quite a bit less coin. I am not saying they are better then a Phil hub but I've got one on the back of my Bleriot and I am nothing but happy with it .http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/cassettehubs.html On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I have these on a Saluki front and rear and am very pleased with them. From: Ego Martini egomart...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 4:35:19 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it. White industries M15 hubs are pretty much bomb proof - they look perdy - lighter than the Phil's and cost quite a bit less coin. I am not saying they are better then a Phil hub but I've got one on the back of my Bleriot and I am nothing but happy with it .http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/cassettehubs.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I think they are worth it. Phils are a bit pricey (esp the cassette hub) but are very well done. On my road bikes I'm also in the haven't touched the Phil hubs (or BB) in over 10 years camp. I raced a Rivendell Cyclocross bike for four years, I replaced one non- driveside rear bearing towards the end of that time frame. Those wheels have an additional seven years of service on a Rambouillet...with no additional maintenance. I think that is pretty good! Same story on a MTB, rear Phil hub, one non-drive side bearing in over 10 years. The Shimano hubs I was using prior would last 1-3 years, drive side seals were not good, broke internal parts etc... Angus On Jul 16, 4:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Here's a few upgrade ideas: Pedals - on a long ride, a nice, smooth pair of pedals with comfortable clips and straps (if you use them) are a true luxury. Check out the Grip Kings, White Industries Urban Pedals, Soma double- toe straps and/or the VO leather-clap toe clips. Rectangular cage pedals are ok, but can dig into your sole (and maybe your soul) after a while. Brake Levers - If you are using drop bars, go for the Shimano Tiagras. They are worth it. If using Albatross bars (do choose the Albatross over the Dove), there aren't may upgrade options but the Paul levers for Cantis are nice. Shifters - definitely use the Silvers. If you must index, the Shimano Ultegras. If you must index, then you'll really want to get a Cassette hub as you will need an 8 speed cassette. So, this is a key descision relative to your choice of hubs. Bottom Bracket - you could go for a Phil but I'd suggest putting the money towards other things first. The $40 BB will last plenty long. Headset - There aren't too many nice looking, silver upgrades available in 1. Chris King is a bit garish for a Betty Foy. Cane Creek is a little more subdued but still has logos. Campy Record might be a good choice but worth $100? Hmm... that will start another long discussion. Brake pads - Request salmon brake pads. They are a luxury and are worth the few extra bucks. Racks - The Nitto Mark's rack is so nice on a Betty Foy. The Nitto full racks are beautiful though pricey. On Jul 19, 1:11 am, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: So for those of you who are using IRD freewheels with your PW hubs, what are your thoughts on the QC issues that IRD has had. The folks at Rivendell seem to think the problems are over but reading various online forums, I am not so sure. Keely On Jul 18, 10:26 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade. philip 97128 On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other parts are on their way, one time for free. Specifically, the issues were: *Car camped throughout southern Utah Red Rock, with my bike on the back of the car. Grit got into the BB bearings and killed it. PW replaced the BB. (for free!) *Needed to repurpose a hub for use on a 135 rear spacing 7 speed, to a 132.5 5 speed. On the phone, PW told me what I needed, and sent for a very small fee. UPGRADE IDEA for you: For touring, and general night riding, I can highly recommend the Schmidt Dynohub for the front wheel. I've ridden this hub at least 50 miles per week for the last 10 years, and it is like new.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
If you are putting ten thousands of miles on the hub they may be worth it. In case you cycling where a hub problem would be catastrophic it would be worth it. If you mind repacking a shimano hub every year (or 10,000 miles) they are worth it. Shimano hubs are great. And for your intended purpose they are fine. Save money, go with an ultegra hub. PS: I ride PW, Shimano, Schmidt and DT hubs and have used each for many thousands of miles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Powderpiggy, I use FW's exclusively with 2 sets of Phil Touring Hubs. I use mostly Sachs at present, but still have some Suntour FW's. Because of the very inconsistent quality of the IRD's , I've stayed away from them. I don't like IRD's cog selection on the 13-32 either, the 15-18 jump is too big, especially in the big ring. A 15-17-20-24 progression is perfect. IRD had supposedly fixed their problems, but even some of their latest ones are prone to failure, from what I've read in probably the same forums. For the premium price IRD retails for, this is just not acceptable. I've been able to amass a large selection of Sachs and Suntour bodies and cogs, but most people can't do that, it takes a long time. For new users, the only other choices are Shimano and Sunrace and other assorted Asian brands, but the cog selection is even more limited. IRD has some more FW's due this summer, I don't know if these will called Mark V, or what. but I sure hope they fix their issues. It does no one any good to have FW failures. Weather this is a mass or isolated problem, the public perception of many is that IRD FW's are overpriced and unreliable. The Velo Orange guy has even been pondering making FW's as they have some new FW hubs being made for them. That would be a welcomed addition to the FW supply. . . .granted they're made well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Chris King is a bit garish for a Betty Foy. Sotto Voce CK headsets do not have that visible a logo. Same with the Ti if you can afford it. On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a few upgrade ideas: Pedals - on a long ride, a nice, smooth pair of pedals with comfortable clips and straps (if you use them) are a true luxury. Check out the Grip Kings, White Industries Urban Pedals, Soma double- toe straps and/or the VO leather-clap toe clips. Rectangular cage pedals are ok, but can dig into your sole (and maybe your soul) after a while. Brake Levers - If you are using drop bars, go for the Shimano Tiagras. They are worth it. If using Albatross bars (do choose the Albatross over the Dove), there aren't may upgrade options but the Paul levers for Cantis are nice. Shifters - definitely use the Silvers. If you must index, the Shimano Ultegras. If you must index, then you'll really want to get a Cassette hub as you will need an 8 speed cassette. So, this is a key descision relative to your choice of hubs. Bottom Bracket - you could go for a Phil but I'd suggest putting the money towards other things first. The $40 BB will last plenty long. Headset - There aren't too many nice looking, silver upgrades available in 1. Chris King is a bit garish for a Betty Foy. Cane Creek is a little more subdued but still has logos. Campy Record might be a good choice but worth $100? Hmm... that will start another long discussion. Brake pads - Request salmon brake pads. They are a luxury and are worth the few extra bucks. Racks - The Nitto Mark's rack is so nice on a Betty Foy. The Nitto full racks are beautiful though pricey. On Jul 19, 1:11 am, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: So for those of you who are using IRD freewheels with your PW hubs, what are your thoughts on the QC issues that IRD has had. The folks at Rivendell seem to think the problems are over but reading various online forums, I am not so sure. Keely On Jul 18, 10:26 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade. philip 97128 On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other parts are on their way, one time for free. Specifically, the issues were: *Car camped throughout southern Utah Red Rock, with my bike on the back of the car. Grit got into the BB bearings and killed it. PW replaced the BB. (for free!) *Needed to repurpose a hub for use on a 135 rear spacing 7 speed, to a 132.5 5 speed. On the phone, PW told me what I needed, and sent for a very small fee. UPGRADE IDEA for you: For touring, and general night riding, I can highly recommend the Schmidt Dynohub for the front wheel. I've ridden this hub at least 50 miles per week for the last 10 years, and it is like new.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I used PW hubs and bottom brackets for years on a tandem, and on one of my racing bikes. Since everyone has covered the advantages, I'll mention one possible negative: PW hubs aren't all that sophisticated in terms of the bearing seals, so if you use the hubs in extreme conditions, they may not yield the level of reliability that they have for most users. That said, the only reports that have ever emerged (to my knowledge) on hub failures have come from the randonneuring community, who may tend to ride longer and in worse conditions that all but the most extreme cyclists in other categories. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I recently picked up a few Shimano free-wheels from my LBS (for my Rivendells) at amazingly low prices. We'll see how they do. I've not had any problems with IRD free wheels, the Sun-Race free wheels I used a while back wore gear teeth quite quickly. Angus On Jul 19, 12:11 am, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: So for those of you who are using IRD freewheels with your PW hubs, what are your thoughts on the QC issues that IRD has had. The folks at Rivendell seem to think the problems are over but reading various online forums, I am not so sure. Keely On Jul 18, 10:26 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade. philip 97128 On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other parts are on their way, one time for free. Specifically, the issues were: *Car camped throughout southern Utah Red Rock, with my bike on the back of the car. Grit got into the BB bearings and killed it. PW replaced the BB. (for free!) *Needed to repurpose a hub for use on a 135 rear spacing 7 speed, to a 132.5 5 speed. On the phone, PW told me what I needed, and sent for a very small fee. UPGRADE IDEA for you: For touring, and general night riding, I can highly recommend the Schmidt Dynohub for the front wheel. I've ridden this hub at least 50 miles per week for the last 10 years, and it is like new.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I don't know. I'll tell you in 20,000 miles when mine wears out ;-) BykMor On Jul 18, 11:26 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade. philip 97128 On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other parts are on their way, one time for free. Specifically, the issues were: *Car camped throughout southern Utah Red Rock, with my bike on the back of the car. Grit got into the BB bearings and killed it. PW replaced the BB. (for free!) *Needed to repurpose a hub for use on a 135 rear spacing 7 speed, to a 132.5 5 speed. On the phone, PW told me what I needed, and sent for a very small fee. UPGRADE IDEA for you: For touring, and general night riding, I can highly recommend the Schmidt Dynohub for the front wheel. I've ridden this hub at least 50 miles per week for the last 10 years, and it is like new. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Just a dissenting voice here... you *can* use 8-speed ultegra indexing shifters with a 7-speed IRD freewheel with perfectly satisfactory results. I'm sure the silver shifters are great; I have some I intend to set up to see what they're like. But the choice of friction versus ultegra 8-speed indexing is truly independent of whether you choose a cassette hub or a Phil freewheel hub for a IRD 7-speed freewheel. You can use either shifters with either a Shimano-compatible 8-speed cassette or a Phil freewheel 7- speed IRD freewheel setup. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a few upgrade ideas: Shifters - definitely use the Silvers. If you must index, the Shimano Ultegras. If you must index, then you'll really want to get a Cassette hub as you will need an 8 speed cassette. So, this is a key descision relative to your choice of hubs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Howdy. It is probably a bit anti-RBW, but I would say if you have any concerns about freewheels then skip the freewheel Phils. If you plan on indexing, or think you might ever want it, skip the freewheel Phils. PW seems like a great company, but among reputable brands any rear hub given reasonable care will be pretty much trouble free IMHO. Doug P.S. To me, the whole dishless rear wheel thing seems like a great idea that doesn't matter much in real life. I am well over 200lbs., don't use particularly stout/overbuilt rear wheels and have never had an issue that I would attribute to dish. Quality components and quality construction seem to make it pretty much a non-issue... On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.netwrote: Thanks for all the replies.The PW 'Rivy' hubs probably would not break the bank while the PW cassette hubs would. But I was a little unsure about the freewheel but it sounds like maybe that should not be so much of a concern. Anything else you would recommend upgrading?? On Jul 17, 8:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated. If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benefits of added strength and even spoke length are enough to sway the decision for me. Yes there are other makers of nice hubs, but the Phil freewheels hit a sweet spot for me. Plus they look really cool Rob On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been ogling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimidated by the cost but am intrigued with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Can the the current ultregras be switched to 7sp or will there be an extra click? On Jul 19, 5:57 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Just a dissenting voice here... you *can* use 8-speed ultegra indexing shifters with a 7-speed IRD freewheel with perfectly satisfactory results. I'm sure the silver shifters are great; I have some I intend to set up to see what they're like. But the choice of friction versus ultegra 8-speed indexing is truly independent of whether you choose a cassette hub or a Phil freewheel hub for a IRD 7-speed freewheel. You can use either shifters with either a Shimano-compatible 8-speed cassette or a Phil freewheel 7- speed IRD freewheel setup. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a few upgrade ideas: Shifters - definitely use the Silvers. If you must index, the Shimano Ultegras. If you must index, then you'll really want to get a Cassette hub as you will need an 8 speed cassette. So, this is a key descision relative to your choice of hubs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
you never get to the extra click if the limit screws are properly set. The IRD freewheel cogs have moders 9/8 speed spacing and will work with many modern shimano indexing systems. When the limit screws are set, you will only get the required throw out of the shift lever. Likewise, the silver shifters work fine on my 9spd cassete, yet I do not live in fear of them sending my 5 spd setup into the spokes - Rob On Jul 19, 4:09 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Can the the current ultregras be switched to 7sp or will there be an extra click? On Jul 19, 5:57 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Just a dissenting voice here... you *can* use 8-speed ultegra indexing shifters with a 7-speed IRD freewheel with perfectly satisfactory results. I'm sure the silver shifters are great; I have some I intend to set up to see what they're like. But the choice of friction versus ultegra 8-speed indexing is truly independent of whether you choose a cassette hub or a Phil freewheel hub for a IRD 7-speed freewheel. You can use either shifters with either a Shimano-compatible 8-speed cassette or a Phil freewheel 7- speed IRD freewheel setup. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a few upgrade ideas: Shifters - definitely use the Silvers. If you must index, the Shimano Ultegras. If you must index, then you'll really want to get a Cassette hub as you will need an 8 speed cassette. So, this is a key descision relative to your choice of hubs.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
On my setup with an XT low-normal (Rapid Rise) derailer with an IRD 7- spd freewheel on a PW hub, I use the appropriate limit screw to prevent the derailer from being moved past the outer cog. Theoretically, I guess, one could get the extra click by straining hard on the shifter and either stretching the cable or mangling the derailer mechanical. But in practice, the derailer and cable maintain their structure even with vigorous use and one doesn't get the extra click. I guess with a top-normal (traditional) derailer the limit screw controlling the inward movement would be involved. I can't speak to this working well on non-IRD 7-speed freewheel hubs. And I would expect 6-speed IRD freewheel hubs (5.3mm spacing) to work poorly. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 19, 6:09 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Can the the current ultregras be switched to 7sp or will there be an extra click? On Jul 19, 5:57 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Just a dissenting voice here... you *can* use 8-speed ultegra indexing shifters with a 7-speed IRD freewheel with perfectly satisfactory results. I'm sure the silver shifters are great; I have some I intend to set up to see what they're like. But the choice of friction versus ultegra 8-speed indexing is truly independent of whether you choose a cassette hub or a Phil freewheel hub for a IRD 7-speed freewheel. You can use either shifters with either a Shimano-compatible 8-speed cassette or a Phil freewheel 7- speed IRD freewheel setup. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a few upgrade ideas: Shifters - definitely use the Silvers. If you must index, the Shimano Ultegras. If you must index, then you'll really want to get a Cassette hub as you will need an 8 speed cassette. So, this is a key descision relative to your choice of hubs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
+1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade. philip 97128 On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other parts are on their way, one time for free. Specifically, the issues were: *Car camped throughout southern Utah Red Rock, with my bike on the back of the car. Grit got into the BB bearings and killed it. PW replaced the BB. (for free!) *Needed to repurpose a hub for use on a 135 rear spacing 7 speed, to a 132.5 5 speed. On the phone, PW told me what I needed, and sent for a very small fee. UPGRADE IDEA for you: For touring, and general night riding, I can highly recommend the Schmidt Dynohub for the front wheel. I've ridden this hub at least 50 miles per week for the last 10 years, and it is like new. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
So for those of you who are using IRD freewheels with your PW hubs, what are your thoughts on the QC issues that IRD has had. The folks at Rivendell seem to think the problems are over but reading various online forums, I am not so sure. Keely On Jul 18, 10:26 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on a Schmidt as the preferred hub upgrade. philip 97128 On Jul 17, 10:02 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other parts are on their way, one time for free. Specifically, the issues were: *Car camped throughout southern Utah Red Rock, with my bike on the back of the car. Grit got into the BB bearings and killed it. PW replaced the BB. (for free!) *Needed to repurpose a hub for use on a 135 rear spacing 7 speed, to a 132.5 5 speed. On the phone, PW told me what I needed, and sent for a very small fee. UPGRADE IDEA for you: For touring, and general night riding, I can highly recommend the Schmidt Dynohub for the front wheel. I've ridden this hub at least 50 miles per week for the last 10 years, and it is like new. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. phil hubs are great. and so are white industries' and chris king's. but so are shimano's. if you work on your own stuff, it might simply be a question of whether you prefer sealed bearings or repacking the hub. both are pretty easy to work on. phil's are blingy, so there are points for that if it matters to you. is it a big upgrade from, let's say shimano ultegra to phil? i say no. the money saved can go elsewhere on the bike. regarding, freewheels - you should consider what kind of drivetrain you want to use. If you're in love with 6 or 7 speed friction shifting and sourcing your favorite freewheels, then by all means, go with the phil. if not, then stick with modern hubs and cassettes. have fun. sounds like it will be a great bike! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
You're on target about upgrading wheels. I have two bikes with Phil Wood freewheel hubs. Other than a polish now and then I haven't touched them in twelve years! Freewheel hubs are less expensive than the cassette hubs and there still seems to be a good availability of freewheels. Unless the Phils will break you I would bite the bullet and get them. You'll never have to even think about hubs again. On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated. If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benifits of added strength and even spoke length are enough to sway the decision for me. Yes there are other makers of nice hubs, but the Phil freewheels hit a sweet spot for me. Plus they look really cool Rob On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
i would get a non budget shimano wheelset. those hubs last a long time, and with the money you save, you can afford to outfit your bike with all the racks and bags you will need. jamison On Jul 17, 11:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated. If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benifits of added strength and even spoke length are enough to sway the decision for me. Yes there are other makers of nice hubs, but the Phil freewheels hit a sweet spot for me. Plus they look really cool Rob On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Yes, they are worth it - if you like stuff that will out live you that you can pass on to a special person. IRD makes great freewheels and parts. On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Yes, They are worth it. I have ridden thousands of problem free miles on phil hubs, I got my first set in the mid 1970s and they are still running. On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
If you are fine with 7 speed and, especially if you are using the Silver bar end shifters, the Phils are fantastic. 7 speed index shifters and 8 speed freewheels are almost non existent. So, that's why I raise that issue. 7speed freewheels are still very available and relatively cheap. If you are worried, just stockpile a few. I bought a used set from the 90s and they are butter smooth. I would not hesitate to buy a new set today. You could save some money and get the regular version, rather than the Rivy version. If there were a *similarly priced*, classy cassette hub with cartridge bearings, sure that'd be great. Until that option exists, the Phils will remain popular. On Jul 17, 1:12 pm, muckum toddjeffr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yes, they are worth it - if you like stuff that will out live you that you can pass on to a special person. IRD makes great freewheels and parts. On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I have Phil hubs (FW) on the Ram and White Ind hubs on the Saluki. Both have been excellent, and cost the same or less than some racer type hubs you'll see. The Phils are heavier. FWs are readily available. Try Loosescrews.com for old stuff like 7 speed shifters or FWs, or Ebay. Tons of stuff there. Even Nashbar sells 6 7 speed FWs for $17.99l that actually work pretty well. That's what I currently have on the Ram (13 - 32). From: Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 3:40:48 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it. On Jul 17, 3:40 pm, andy arula...@tx.rr.com wrote: Yes, They are worth it. I have ridden thousands of problem free miles on phil hubs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
i think that there is one additional consideration: If you ever want indexed shifting, better get a cassette hub. That is not to say you SHOULD ever want index shifting on that bike or that you will ever NEED it. You won't find an 8 speed freewheel, nor will you find 7 speed indexed bar end shifters, at least not easily. If you are fine with friction, I say go for the Phils and get a 7 speed freewheel. Ginz -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Powderpiggy wrote: Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? I have one bike (tandem) with a 1984 Phil rear hub. It has never needed servicing. I have another bike (Rivendell) with 14 year old Phil hubs; they too have never needed servicing. Ditto the Phil rear hub on my wife's bike which is about 12 years old. If decades of hassle-free service are your thing, Phil hubs are a great thing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
On Jul 17, 4:49 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I have Phil hubs (FW) on the Ram and White Ind hubs on the Saluki. how long have you had your WIs? I blew through the bearings on an H2 hub in a year - lots of wet miles though. replaced original bearings with Phils. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Thanks for all the replies.The PW 'Rivy' hubs probably would not break the bank while the PW cassette hubs would. But I was a little unsure about the freewheel but it sounds like maybe that should not be so much of a concern. Anything else you would recommend upgrading?? On Jul 17, 8:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated. If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benifits of added strength and even spoke length are enough to sway the decision for me. Yes there are other makers of nice hubs, but the Phil freewheels hit a sweet spot for me. Plus they look really cool Rob On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
It true...I do need racks and bagsfenders...etc. On Jul 17, 9:06 am, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: i would get a non budget shimano wheelset. those hubs last a long time, and with the money you save, you can afford to outfit your bike with all the racks and bags you will need. jamison On Jul 17, 11:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated. If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benifits of added strength and even spoke length are enough to sway the decision for me. Yes there are other makers of nice hubs, but the Phil freewheels hit a sweet spot for me. Plus they look really cool Rob On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I have always considered Phil Hubs but never took the plunge.My first Riv was a Saluki w. 650b budget wheelset.I have since took the plunge on Phil wheels and B.B..One wheelset is a cassette for my touring Saluki,pricey though.The other is a Phil rear freewheel not to pricey.They are both excellent. I would go for the freewheel,it doesn't cost a fortune and your getting Phil quality that just rools and rolls and rolls.If your concerned w. the avalability of freewheels in the future buy 2 IRD's.Store one for the future.If you get the Phil you have piece of mind that you have the best.If you get the budget set you'll always be thinking how you should have gotten the Phil.They will last you a lifetime. On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
My Sam Hillborne has a Phil f/w rear hub. It's very nice. Very little dish and strong. Since building the wheel earlier this year, have yet to touch it with a spoke wrench. Another bike has Shimano XT hubs and I repacked the rear hub bearings after about 1,000 miles. That said - the repack was easy with the right tools and, again with the right tools, is quite easy to take a cassette off. Not necessarily the case with a freewheel. Purchased the Phil hub because I really wanted a Phil hub. Had lusted after them since the early 1980's. Finally decided to take the plunge. Plus my LBS gave me a price I could not refuse. (Thanks again to Jim at Hiawatha for that and for teaching me how to build a wheel.) If you really want a Phil, go for it. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 17, 4:05 pm, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: I have always considered Phil Hubs but never took the plunge.My first Riv was a Saluki w. 650b budget wheelset.I have since took the plunge on Phil wheels and B.B..One wheelset is a cassette for my touring Saluki,pricey though.The other is a Phil rear freewheel not to pricey.They are both excellent. I would go for the freewheel,it doesn't cost a fortune and your getting Phil quality that just rools and rolls and rolls.If your concerned w. the avalability of freewheels in the future buy 2 IRD's.Store one for the future.If you get the Phil you have piece of mind that you have the best.If you get the budget set you'll always be thinking how you should have gotten the Phil.They will last you a lifetime. On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Re-packing hubs is one of my favorite bike maintenance things to do. Just a good feeling of satisfaction after completing it. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:40 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: My Sam Hillborne has a Phil f/w rear hub. It's very nice. Very little dish and strong. Since building the wheel earlier this year, have yet to touch it with a spoke wrench. Another bike has Shimano XT hubs and I repacked the rear hub bearings after about 1,000 miles. That said - the repack was easy with the right tools and, again with the right tools, is quite easy to take a cassette off. Not necessarily the case with a freewheel. Purchased the Phil hub because I really wanted a Phil hub. Had lusted after them since the early 1980's. Finally decided to take the plunge. Plus my LBS gave me a price I could not refuse. (Thanks again to Jim at Hiawatha for that and for teaching me how to build a wheel.) If you really want a Phil, go for it. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 17, 4:05 pm, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: I have always considered Phil Hubs but never took the plunge.My first Riv was a Saluki w. 650b budget wheelset.I have since took the plunge on Phil wheels and B.B..One wheelset is a cassette for my touring Saluki,pricey though.The other is a Phil rear freewheel not to pricey.They are both excellent. I would go for the freewheel,it doesn't cost a fortune and your getting Phil quality that just rools and rolls and rolls.If your concerned w. the avalability of freewheels in the future buy 2 IRD's.Store one for the future.If you get the Phil you have piece of mind that you have the best.If you get the budget set you'll always be thinking how you should have gotten the Phil.They will last you a lifetime. On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
Tell us more about your build. We'll gladly spend your money. On Jul 17, 11:44 am, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: Thanks for all the replies. The PW 'Rivy' hubs probably would not break the bank while the PW cassette hubs would. But I was a little unsure about the freewheel but it sounds like maybe that should not be so much of a concern. Anything else you would recommend upgrading?? On Jul 17, 8:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated. If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benifits of added strength and even spoke length are enough to sway the decision for me. Yes there are other makers of nice hubs, but the Phil freewheels hit a sweet spot for me. Plus they look really cool Rob On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be worth it to make sure I don't just go cheap, but get it built up to something that I will love for years and years and not wish I had spent a little more to get an upgrated X or Y. I plan to use the Betty Foy for short tours (7-10 days likely the longest), bike commuting, tootling around town, and perhaps centuries or longer (I have a very lightweight road bike that has served this purpose but is not suited for touring, commuting, tootling, etc). Smy thought is that the wheelset would be the most important thing to upgrade (beyond the 'budget' wheelset. Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? What would you do? I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel. I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. What would you upgrade and why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.
I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other parts are on their way, one time for free. Specifically, the issues were: *Car camped throughout southern Utah Red Rock, with my bike on the back of the car. Grit got into the BB bearings and killed it. PW replaced the BB. (for free!) *Needed to repurpose a hub for use on a 135 rear spacing 7 speed, to a 132.5 5 speed. On the phone, PW told me what I needed, and sent for a very small fee. UPGRADE IDEA for you: For touring, and general night riding, I can highly recommend the Schmidt Dynohub for the front wheel. I've ridden this hub at least 50 miles per week for the last 10 years, and it is like new. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
