[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[WETH]

Rene,
Appreciate the update.  I'll look toward to learning what you decide.
Erl 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[René Sterental]

The large Nitto rack is definitely a no, it sits too far back. The medium
one sits much closer, and the new ines don't have a tombstone if I'm not
mistaken. I have one on order arriving tomorrow. The regular medium I had
on the Betty will go on sale.

I definitely like the elegance of the Nitto better, but tomorrow I'll
decide.

Thanks for the photos.

René

On Sunday, October 9, 2016, WETH  wrote:

> Rene,
> I switched from the Nitto to Pletscher on my 60cm Cheviot, and it works
> much better with my large Saddlesack.  The Pletscher sits closer to the
> seatpost than the Nitto; also, the foldable tombstone is almost in the
> perfect position.
> Photos hopefully help; Nitto rack is on bike in front of brick wall photo.
> Best wishes,
> Erl
>
> On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 10:21:08 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
> > I'm going to add a rear rack to my Cheviot. I've always had the Nitto
> rear racks and like them very much, but somehow, decided that I'd go with
> the Pletscher Clem rear rack on the Cheviot for a number of reasons:
> > - Rated for more weight than the Nitto (although it's likely due to
> Nitto being ultra-conservative to avoid liability)
> > - RBW speaking very highly of it
> > - The spring loaded mouse trap.
> >
> >
> > However, when the Cheviot was finished, it seemed so beautiful it
> deserved the Nitto rack.
> >
> > I have the Pletscher with all its accessories still unpackaged as RBW
> shipped it. The Nitto rear rack I have is the original one, the one without
> the lower pannier rail.
> >
> >
> > Which one would you go with and why?
> >
> >
> > René
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Patrick Moore]

I recall using the clamp, at least on the old, cheap Pletschers, to carry a
basketball, or perhaps it was a soccer ball. The lever pushed the ball
against the back of the saddle, IIRC.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:29 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

The mousetrap is a bit of a mystery.  I'm able to use it often, but I can't
figure out what the "ideal" or intended use is.  I read somewhere that it
was for a bottle of wine, but having tried both a bordeaux and a bugeundy
shape, I can assure you that it does NOT hold them.  Agree with
Clementine59 that there's some  unnecessary adjustability to the hardware,
but it is stronger than I expected, given all the parts and pieces.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[John Hawrylak]

Keith
WRT to the]mousetrap, you stated "I'm able to use it often, but I can't 
figure out what the "ideal" or intended use is."

The mousetrap is used by regular folks in the Pa Dutch country to hold a 
large cardboard box to fill up with groceries.  The trap is fully extended 
and holds the box against the front part of the rack.  These are normal 
folks using the bike in a very utilitarian way.  I see 1 or 2 each time we 
go up there (Lancaster PA area).  I believe they are mostly Mennonites, not 
Amish.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ  


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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[iamkeith]

I posted this somewhere before, but I got the Clem rack to fit on the back 
of my 59cm Clem, with 60mm Super Moto tires and SKS B65 fenders just fine, 
with a little modification.  15 minutes with a Dremdel tool. I cut the 
rivets at the rear stays and relocated them to the outside of the mounting 
tabs using some of the extra bolts that came with the rack, and I also cut 
off the mini-pump mounting lug.  Here are are a couple of  pics - one 
showing the relocated stays, and one showing it with the above-mentioned 
fenders and tires I ultimately ended up with:






I'm pretty happy with the rack.  The mousetrap is a bit of a mystery.  I'm 
able to use it often, but I can't figure out what the "ideal" or intended 
use is.  I read somewhere that it was for a bottle of wine, but having 
tried both a bordeaux and a bugeundy shape, I can assure you that it does 
NOT hold them.  Agree with Clementine59 that there's some  unnecessary 
adjustability to the hardware, but it is stronger than I expected, given 
all the parts and pieces.

On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 12:41:04 PM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>
> I had a Pletscher Clem rack on my Clementine 59cm with the SKS P65 fenders 
> and the narrow gap between the tops of the rear rack stays interfered with 
> the rear fender. I could get the either the rack or the fender lined up 
> correctly (well... the way I want them), but not both. I finally gave up, 
> got the fenders lined up correctly and installed a Topeak Explorer rack. 
> Much better all around and much easier installation. Attaching the Clem 
> rack is unnecessarily complicated with multiple points of adjustment that 
> really don't add any useful flexibility in my opinion. The flip-up bar on 
> the forward end of my rack was also quite crooked. Overall poor design and 
> manufacture. I won't buy another Pletscher product. YMMV. 
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I have a Pletcher rack on my Sam & the spring loaded clamp holds my large U 
-lock securely without rattling around.
I just bought a Nitto rack and will need to purchase some bungees .The 
Pletcher does the job and holds my  panniers too.

On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 6:55:13 PM UTC-6, Clayton.sf wrote:

> 50 metal fenders might be a little tight, but not a function of bike 
> design more a fender tire compatibility issues. 55mm fenders would be 
> better or some plastic fenders without the rolled lip. 
>
> Clayton Scott, SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Clayton.sf]

50 metal fenders might be a little tight, but not a function of bike design 
more a fender tire compatibility issues. 55mm fenders would be better or some 
plastic fenders without the rolled lip. 

Clayton Scott, SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Clayton.sf]

Unless the new 60cm chevs have different clearances than previous ones there 
should be no issue with compass 44mm tires and fenders. I run mine with plenty 
of breathing room with sks fenders front and rear. 

The one thing to make it even more possible is to swap the front side pull 
brake for a long reach diacompe  (model that riv sells) centerpull  brake.

This will allow for better fender line and better fender/tire clearance  in 
front of the fork crown. The brakes are great, as long as you switch the pads.

Hope this helps,
Clayton Scott 
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[René Sterental]

I was referring to the brazed-on centerpulls. The Compass centerpulls I
have on my custom allow plenty of room for super wide metal fenders, I'm
running 58mm Honjo fenders there.

In a distant future, if I ever decided to repaint the Cheviot, I'd put
those braze-ons at the time, move the cable guides and run the Compass
Centerpulls to get all that clearance.

That being said, I think that for the main purpose I got the bike for,
which is a leisure, just ride around town, errands bike, 38mm tires are
just perfect. So no rush to do that work.

Right now, if I had to reduce the flock, it would just be the custom and
the Cheviot.

René

On Monday, October 3, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

>
>
> *Exactly* my experience, Rene.
>
> 38mm tires max on the 53 Bleriot and 52 Sam for what I am comfortable with
> for fender clearance. The sidepull brake arm hanging down from the brake
> bolt and over the tire (hanging lower than the brake bridge and fork crown)
> down into the space between crown and bridge and tires, is the limiting
> factor on how high you can raise the fender away from the tire at fork
> crown and brake bridge, even though the crown and bridge offer much more
> room. The brake arms block passage of the fender any higher towards the
> crown and bridge.
>
> This is why I am interested in a canti-brake bike for my next bike.
>
> I am surprised that RBW doesn't make all their bikes canti-bikes since
> they love fat tires and fenders.
>
> Also, I don't understand the hoopla about centerpulls. The Paul
> centerpulls I had on my 55 Bleriot offered no more vertical clearance than
> the R559's I put on.
>
>
> "The weak link in the fendering options on the Cheviot are the side pull
> brakes. In a way, that's the only flaw in its design. Had it been designed
> with braze-ons for centerpulls or cantilevers, there would be plenty of
> clearance. As it is, if you want wider than 35/38mm tires you have to forgo
> the fenders for safety. At least the metal fenders. And you're still
> dealing with what you accept as minimal safe clearance.
>
> René "
>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Lungimsam]

*Exactly* my experience, Rene.

38mm tires max on the 53 Bleriot and 52 Sam for what I am comfortable with 
for fender clearance. The sidepull brake arm hanging down from the brake 
bolt and over the tire (hanging lower than the brake bridge and fork crown) 
down into the space between crown and bridge and tires, is the limiting 
factor on how high you can raise the fender away from the tire at fork 
crown and brake bridge, even though the crown and bridge offer much more 
room. The brake arms block passage of the fender any higher towards the 
crown and bridge.

This is why I am interested in a canti-brake bike for my next bike.

I am surprised that RBW doesn't make all their bikes canti-bikes since they 
love fat tires and fenders.

Also, I don't understand the hoopla about centerpulls. The Paul centerpulls 
I had on my 55 Bleriot offered no more vertical clearance than the R559's I 
put on.


"The weak link in the fendering options on the Cheviot are the side pull 
brakes. In a way, that's the only flaw in its design. Had it been designed 
with braze-ons for centerpulls or cantilevers, there would be plenty of 
clearance. As it is, if you want wider than 35/38mm tires you have to forgo 
the fenders for safety. At least the metal fenders. And you're still 
dealing with what you accept as minimal safe clearance.

René "

 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[René Sterental]

Thank you all for your feedback and insights. I feel inclined towards
sticking with the Nitto, but I'll have to check about the tombstone
potential interference, at least until the new ones are back in stock
again. The critical element for me will be compatibility with the 50 mm
metal fenders. I've gotten spoiled, I guess, but I don't think I can have a
lugged steel bike fenderless ever again. I need to check for clearances,
but some initial rough testing leads me to believe I won't be able to run
the fenders with the 44mm Compass tires. I'll have to put the 38mm and try
the 44 on the Atlantis, where they also make more sense.

The weak link in the fendering options on the Cheviot are the side pull
brakes. In a way, that's the only flaw in its design. Had it been designed
with braze-ons for centerpulls or cantilevers, there would be plenty of
clearance. As it is, if you want wider than 35/38mm tires you have to forgo
the fenders for safety. At least the metal fenders. And you're still
dealing with what you accept as minimal safe clearance.

René

On Monday, October 3, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Can't speak to loads/function but:
>
> If you want bike jewelry, get the Nitto.
> I haven't used pletcher stuff extensively, but mine got a grotty look to
> the metal over time.
>
> So, industrial looking metal? Pletscher.
> Or, bike jewelry? Nitto.
>
> Or, you could look for something USA made!
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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Lungimsam]

Can't speak to loads/function but:

If you want bike jewelry, get the Nitto.
I haven't used pletcher stuff extensively, but mine got a grotty look to the 
metal over time. 

So, industrial looking metal? Pletscher.
Or, bike jewelry? Nitto.

Or, you could look for something USA made!

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Clementine59]

I had a Pletscher Clem rack on my Clementine 59cm with the SKS P65 fenders 
and the narrow gap between the tops of the rear rack stays interfered with 
the rear fender. I could get the either the rack or the fender lined up 
correctly (well... the way I want them), but not both. I finally gave up, 
got the fenders lined up correctly and installed a Topeak Explorer rack. 
Much better all around and much easier installation. Attaching the Clem 
rack is unnecessarily complicated with multiple points of adjustment that 
really don't add any useful flexibility in my opinion. The flip-up bar on 
the forward end of my rack was also quite crooked. Overall poor design and 
manufacture. I won't buy another Pletscher product. YMMV. 

On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 10:21:08 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> I'm going to add a rear rack to my Cheviot. I've always had the Nitto rear 
> racks and like them very much, but somehow, decided that I'd go with the 
> Pletscher Clem rear rack on the Cheviot for a number of reasons:
> - Rated for more weight than the Nitto (although it's likely due to Nitto 
> being ultra-conservative to avoid liability)
> - RBW speaking very highly of it
> - The spring loaded mouse trap.
>
> However, when the Cheviot was finished, it seemed so beautiful it deserved 
> the Nitto rack.
>
> I have the Pletscher with all its accessories still unpackaged as RBW 
> shipped it. The Nitto rear rack I have is the original one, the one without 
> the lower pannier rail.
>
> Which one would you go with and why?
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Surlyprof]

If you were missing the Pletsher's mousetrap, I've found that the Dutch 
Double Top Strap is a very versatile substitute 
(http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/mdutch2.htm).  You have to make sure to 
mount it correctly but, once on, it is great.  Holds a U-lock (or jackets, 
lunch, books, etc) solidly.  Mine has transformed my Tubus rack and I'm 
sure it would do the same for a Nitto.

John

On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 7:21:08 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> I'm going to add a rear rack to my Cheviot. I've always had the Nitto rear 
> racks and like them very much, but somehow, decided that I'd go with the 
> Pletscher Clem rear rack on the Cheviot for a number of reasons:
> - Rated for more weight than the Nitto (although it's likely due to Nitto 
> being ultra-conservative to avoid liability)
> - RBW speaking very highly of it
> - The spring loaded mouse trap.
>
> However, when the Cheviot was finished, it seemed so beautiful it deserved 
> the Nitto rack.
>
> I have the Pletscher with all its accessories still unpackaged as RBW 
> shipped it. The Nitto rear rack I have is the original one, the one without 
> the lower pannier rail.
>
> Which one would you go with and why?
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[WETH]

Rene,
I have the Nitto big back rack on my Cheviot.  I also have a Pletscher in 
inventory and too am contemplating a switch. In my case, my Nitto has a large 
tombstone, that due to long chainstays, sits under my large Saddlesack and 
keeps it from sitting flat.
If I do that change tonight, I will share photos with you.
https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157665232090983
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[René Sterental]

I was't aware of the Nitto Longboy, which is nowhere to be found. The Nitto
medium rack I had on the Betty seems to fit well on the 60 Cheviot since it
has the higher braze-ons on the seat stays that allows the shorter medium
rack to fit well and not be pushed back like the large one. It seems to fit
without needing to adjust the struts, which is good.

I may mount the Pletscher to see how it looks and fits, especially as I've
found some comments about it not fitting with wider fenders.

René

On Monday, October 3, 2016, Kellie  wrote:

> I had a pletcher on my Cheviot with a saddle sack. So much fit in the
> saddle sack (also had a front basket) I rarely used the mouse trap. It's
> heavier and not as beautiful. I'm building up my Atlantis (when it
> arrives), and it will have a Nitto N14. I do not use panniers.
>
> On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 7:21:08 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to add a rear rack to my Cheviot. I've always had the Nitto
>> rear racks and like them very much, but somehow, decided that I'd go with
>> the Pletscher Clem rear rack on the Cheviot for a number of reasons:
>> - Rated for more weight than the Nitto (although it's likely due to Nitto
>> being ultra-conservative to avoid liability)
>> - RBW speaking very highly of it
>> - The spring loaded mouse trap.
>>
>> However, when the Cheviot was finished, it seemed so beautiful it
>> deserved the Nitto rack.
>>
>> I have the Pletscher with all its accessories still unpackaged as RBW
>> shipped it. The Nitto rear rack I have is the original one, the one without
>> the lower pannier rail.
>>
>> Which one would you go with and why?
>>
>> René
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto vs Pletscher rear racks internal debate...

[Kellie]

I had a pletcher on my Cheviot with a saddle sack. So much fit in the 
saddle sack (also had a front basket) I rarely used the mouse trap. It's 
heavier and not as beautiful. I'm building up my Atlantis (when it 
arrives), and it will have a Nitto N14. I do not use panniers.

On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 7:21:08 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> I'm going to add a rear rack to my Cheviot. I've always had the Nitto rear 
> racks and like them very much, but somehow, decided that I'd go with the 
> Pletscher Clem rear rack on the Cheviot for a number of reasons:
> - Rated for more weight than the Nitto (although it's likely due to Nitto 
> being ultra-conservative to avoid liability)
> - RBW speaking very highly of it
> - The spring loaded mouse trap.
>
> However, when the Cheviot was finished, it seemed so beautiful it deserved 
> the Nitto rack.
>
> I have the Pletscher with all its accessories still unpackaged as RBW 
> shipped it. The Nitto rear rack I have is the original one, the one without 
> the lower pannier rail.
>
> Which one would you go with and why?
>
> René 
>

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