Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[lconley]

Rene Herse sells bolt on centerpulls.

[image: Bolt on.JPG]

I had the chain rest installed on my Rivendell Custom. Rivendell used to 
sell a clamp-on version.

[image: frame (2).jpg] 

Laing

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:54:01 AM UTC-5 Bill Gibson wrote:

> I see derailleurs for sale for $20, and up. I bet they shift just fine 
> with skillful installation and practice. Dura-Ace costs a little more than 
> the Nivex Nuevo, but not much, which I guess is a statement about the place 
> in the universe the Nivex claims. Better and lighter and cheaper than 
> Dura-Ace! The price is not the point. The point is, well like, Louis 
> Armstrong said, "If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know." It 
> is about pure mechanical joy. I would love to ride with it. I am surprised 
> that indexing came before friction, but will be interested in future 
> batches. I'd like to see a bolt-on version, even though I know the braze-on 
> version is better, hands down. I might put a bolt-on version on my 
> Quickbeam. I come from the era when the "best" frames had no braze-ons, 
> only clamp-ons. Something about heat damaging the frames of that time. Same 
> for the Herse brakes, a bolt-on adapter for those, and a path to integrated 
> heaven for the masses, imagined or real. Heck, I want a chain rest, too.
>
> Bill Gibson
> Tempe, Arizona, USA
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> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance: 
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>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 12:22 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> As Grant said circa 1997: "We are product driven, not market driven."
>>
>> I don't have a use for very wide sweepback bars or a Nivex rd, but I do 
>> admire them both for forcing the design and creation of things they love in 
>> a market where everything is flowing in the opposite direction, *and* it's 
>> not an apparent expensive "lifestyle" or "style alone" thing as Silca's and 
>> Chaterlea's new offerings seem to be. (But I am open to correction about 
>> Silca and Chaterlea.)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who hedged his close-ratio 3-speed Sturmey Archer bet with 
>> a second, backup AM hub.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 12:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> ... In my book Jan and Grant are exactly the same.  Both took enormous 
>>> time, effort and expense to execute a project they believe in.  Neither 
>>> will make money for their companies.  Neither was a publicity stunt.  They 
>>> just believed in something and decided to do it.  Both think all current 
>>> derailers are great.  Both wanted to offer an alternative choice.  Both 
>>> would not have bothered if such a thing was available today.   If you want 
>>> one, buy one.  If you don't want one, no problem.  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Bill Gibson]

I see derailleurs for sale for $20, and up. I bet they shift just fine with
skillful installation and practice. Dura-Ace costs a little more than the
Nivex Nuevo, but not much, which I guess is a statement about the place in
the universe the Nivex claims. Better and lighter and cheaper than
Dura-Ace! The price is not the point. The point is, well like, Louis
Armstrong said, "If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know." It is
about pure mechanical joy. I would love to ride with it. I am surprised
that indexing came before friction, but will be interested in future
batches. I'd like to see a bolt-on version, even though I know the braze-on
version is better, hands down. I might put a bolt-on version on my
Quickbeam. I come from the era when the "best" frames had no braze-ons,
only clamp-ons. Something about heat damaging the frames of that time. Same
for the Herse brakes, a bolt-on adapter for those, and a path to integrated
heaven for the masses, imagined or real. Heck, I want a chain rest, too.

Bill Gibson
Tempe, Arizona, USA
My Photographs  :
https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance:
https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 


On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 12:22 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> As Grant said circa 1997: "We are product driven, not market driven."
>
> I don't have a use for very wide sweepback bars or a Nivex rd, but I do
> admire them both for forcing the design and creation of things they love in
> a market where everything is flowing in the opposite direction, *and* it's
> not an apparent expensive "lifestyle" or "style alone" thing as Silca's and
> Chaterlea's new offerings seem to be. (But I am open to correction about
> Silca and Chaterlea.)
>
> Patrick Moore, who hedged his close-ratio 3-speed Sturmey Archer bet with
> a second, backup AM hub.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 12:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> ... In my book Jan and Grant are exactly the same.  Both took enormous
>> time, effort and expense to execute a project they believe in.  Neither
>> will make money for their companies.  Neither was a publicity stunt.  They
>> just believed in something and decided to do it.  Both think all current
>> derailers are great.  Both wanted to offer an alternative choice.  Both
>> would not have bothered if such a thing was available today.   If you want
>> one, buy one.  If you don't want one, no problem.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

As Grant said circa 1997: "We are product driven, not market driven."

I don't have a use for very wide sweepback bars or a Nivex rd, but I do
admire them both for forcing the design and creation of things they love in
a market where everything is flowing in the opposite direction, *and* it's
not an apparent expensive "lifestyle" or "style alone" thing as Silca's and
Chaterlea's new offerings seem to be. (But I am open to correction about
Silca and Chaterlea.)

Patrick Moore, who hedged his close-ratio 3-speed Sturmey Archer bet with a
second, backup AM hub.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 12:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> ... In my book Jan and Grant are exactly the same.  Both took enormous
> time, effort and expense to execute a project they believe in.  Neither
> will make money for their companies.  Neither was a publicity stunt.  They
> just believed in something and decided to do it.  Both think all current
> derailers are great.  Both wanted to offer an alternative choice.  Both
> would not have bothered if such a thing was available today.   If you want
> one, buy one.  If you don't want one, no problem.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Jason Zakaras]

I’m sure this was just being cheeky, but to ride a bike, dings and all, is 
to respect it…
I love the look of the derailleur and wouldn’t mind adding it to a bike, I 
don’t think it’s that expensive to have such a unique and pleasing look 
added to the right bike. My .02. Which might not be as valuable as your 
.02… it’s all relative 
Xoxo
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:31:31 PM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> So…RBW. Does a $15,000 handbuilt artbike enjoy preferential treatment or 
> does it acquire the usual beausage like any other? 
>
> Like your lowly, say, old Rambouillet?
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>
> Feeling silly now 
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
>
>
>
> Do you let it get all dinged up like your other bikes or do you treat it 
> with more respect…because it costs more?
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:51 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Laing pointed out that the shift levers are sold out.
>>
>> So is the derailer itself!  At least this morning (December 13, 2022) it 
>> is.  
>>
>> This is never going to be a high volume part.  Plan your next $15000 
>> custom bike around it, or gaze from a distance...
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Except that the shift levers are sold out!
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
 components like this being made!

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
 Stewartstown PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even 
> at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my 
> ship comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I 
> see the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[John Dewey]

If you were lucky enough to find one of those NOS, it'd probably be close 
to the cost Jan's. 

If you need one, cheap at twice the price!

Jock

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:16:59 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> (Channeling my inner Paul B.) I wonder if the Suntour S-1 had the same 
> braze on spec?
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-13 at 8.13.15 PM.png]
> RH isn't the first to replay Simplex (S-1=Simplex one?).
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[John Dewey]

So…RBW. Does a $15,000 handbuilt artbike enjoy preferential treatment or
does it acquire the usual beausage like any other?

Like your lowly, say, old Rambouillet?

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Feeling silly now 

BEST / Jock Dewey



Do you let it get all dinged up like your other bikes or do you treat it
with more respect…because it costs more?

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:51 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Laing pointed out that the shift levers are sold out.
>
> So is the derailer itself!  At least this morning (December 13, 2022) it
> is.
>
> This is never going to be a high volume part.  Plan your next $15000
> custom bike around it, or gaze from a distance...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> Except that the shift levers are sold out!
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see
>>> components like this being made!
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke,
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even
 at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little
 different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this.
 KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it.
 Nivex Rear
 
 [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]

 For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my
 ship comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I
 see the new Riv rear derailer.

 Marty

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Joe Bernard]

THERE ya go. Find yourself an old Schwinn CrissCross (maybe it was 
CrossCut) with the S-1 braze-on and put a Nivex on it! 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:16:59 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> (Channeling my inner Paul B.) I wonder if the Suntour S-1 had the same 
> braze on spec?
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-13 at 8.13.15 PM.png]
> RH isn't the first to replay Simplex (S-1=Simplex one?).
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Jay Lonner]

I’m sympathetic to the cyclotouriste-inspired aesthetic, but agree that it seems like a very niche setup that is prone to instant obsolescence if RH stops making spare parts. If I were in the market for a new bike requiring custom fittings for a novel shifting system I’d just go for a Rohloff, recognizing that given Grant’s stance on IGHs it wouldn’t be a Rivendell.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Brian Forsee  wrote:This thing looks cool but as a whole i think it's exceptionally silly. It may be better protected than a standard der but its still prone to being broken or bent. Then what? Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down the line? Same goes for the shifter. I expect some people with a huge investment in this thing and their frame will find themselves SOL in the future. I also think derailleurs work plenty well and don't need that much improving. If you want the 'experience' RH is referring to, just friction shift.The best thing about this is it makes the Riv derailleur project look very reasonable all of a sudden.On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6 Berkeleyan wrote:To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.- Andrew, BerkeleyOn Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote:The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. Nivex RearFor a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see the new Riv rear derailer. Marty



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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Bill Lindsay]

bmfo  used two question marks in a post, but I'm not sure whether the 
questions were sincere or rhetorical.  They were:

"its still prone to being broken or bent. Then what? "  Then the owner of 
that $15000 custom built bike will buy replacement parts from Rene Herse
"Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down the line? "  That's 
exactly what Rene Herse has promised.  Just like they promised to stock 
their proprietary chainrings for their premier crankset.  Compare that to 
EVERY OTHER rear derailleur in existence today.  None of them are 
completely rebuildable, and none of them come with a manufacturer 
commitment to offer all replacement parts in perpetuity.  I don't blame 
anybody who thinks Rene Herse will be out of business in 10-15 years.  
Choosing current disposable rear derailleurs with standard fitment is an 
excellent hedge against future replacement needs.  

The advice I have to every cyclist in 2022:  If you think you may need a 
particular replacement part down the road, buy it today, because it might 
not be around when you need it.  If I was planning a $15000 custom bike 
around this RD, I would probably buy a second copy of it.  If I was willing 
to buy a $15000 bicycle, I could afford a spare rear der.  

In my book Jan and Grant are exactly the same.  Both took enormous time, 
effort and expense to execute a project they believe in.  Neither will make 
money for their companies.  Neither was a publicity stunt.  They just 
believed in something and decided to do it.  Both think all current 
derailers are great.  Both wanted to offer an alternative choice.  Both 
would not have bothered if such a thing was available today.   If you want 
one, buy one.  If you don't want one, no problem.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> This thing looks cool but as a whole i think it's exceptionally silly. It 
> may be better protected than a standard der but its still prone to being 
> broken or bent. Then what? Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down 
> the line? Same goes for the shifter. I expect some people with a huge 
> investment in this thing and their frame will find themselves SOL in the 
> future. I also think derailleurs work plenty well and don't need that much 
> improving. If you want the 'experience' RH is referring to, just friction 
> shift.
>
> The best thing about this is it makes the Riv derailleur project look very 
> reasonable all of a sudden.
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
>> shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
>> retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
>> mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
>> new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even 
>>> at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>>> Nivex Rear 
>>> 
>>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Bill Lindsay]

Laing pointed out that the shift levers are sold out.

So is the derailer itself!  At least this morning (December 13, 2022) it 
is.  

This is never going to be a high volume part.  Plan your next $15000 custom 
bike around it, or gaze from a distance...

BL in EC

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> Except that the shift levers are sold out!
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
>> components like this being made!
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even 
>>> at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>>> Nivex Rear 
>>> 
>>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Brian Forsee]

This thing looks cool but as a whole i think it's exceptionally silly. It 
may be better protected than a standard der but its still prone to being 
broken or bent. Then what? Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down 
the line? Same goes for the shifter. I expect some people with a huge 
investment in this thing and their frame will find themselves SOL in the 
future. I also think derailleurs work plenty well and don't need that much 
improving. If you want the 'experience' RH is referring to, just friction 
shift.

The best thing about this is it makes the Riv derailleur project look very 
reasonable all of a sudden.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6 Berkeleyan wrote:

> To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
> shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
> retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
> mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
> new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Berkeleyan]

To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Mackenzy Albright]

My assumption is this der setup would be a lifelong purchase? Seems like 
most bikes that had this originally are still functioning. I'd imagine it'd 
Pay for itself on a bike that was owned and ridden for manymany years. 

I think it's beautiful. I won't buy one any time soon. But if I ever win 
the lottery. First superfluous bike purchase. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:06:56 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> The shift lever looks as though it would have to be mounted only to a 
> downtube shift boss, guessing one might have to forgo bar-end shifting.
>
> Scott
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the 
>> proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical 
>> beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was 
>> adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather 
>> than something artistic that no one bought. 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.
>>>
>>> After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv 
>>> derailer will cost. 
>>>
>>> shoji
>>> arlington ma
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
 I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and 
 one is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of 
 those added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.

 Bill S
 San Diego

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock 
> band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called 
> "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title 
> until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high 
> class" 
> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity 
> of 
> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount 
> of 
> over or under inflating can change that. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[greenteadrinkers]

The shift lever looks as though it would have to be mounted only to a 
downtube shift boss, guessing one might have to forgo bar-end shifting.

Scott

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the 
> proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical 
> beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was 
> adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather 
> than something artistic that no one bought. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
>> I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.
>>
>> After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv 
>> derailer will cost. 
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one 
>>> is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those 
>>> added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock 
 band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called 
 "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title 
 until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high 
 class" 
 resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
 "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
 worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
 Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount 
 of 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Brian Turner]

The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather than something artistic that no one bought. On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi  wrote:I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv derailer will cost. shojiarlington maOn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.Bill SSan DiegoOn Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of over or under inflating can change that. 



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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[J J]

I love the image of the peanut gallery here!

So besides the price of entry for the RD itself, there is the cost of the 
lever (any other hardware?), and designing a custom built bike around it or 
retrofitting a frame with an appropriate braze-on and cable guide, which 
would probably also mean repainting the retrofitted frame or at least part 
of it. It’s a big commitment. 

The mechanism itself looks super cool, but it is also a bonafide example of 
a proprietary component, which is what makes it hard for me to consider. I 
like being able to easily swap parts out, even (or especially) fancy parts. 
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:56:18 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I 
> listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High 
> Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until 
> right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" 
> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of 
> over or under inflating can change that. 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Eliot Balogh]

I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was
adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather
than something artistic that no one bought.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.
>
> After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv derailer
> will cost.
>
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one
>> is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those
>> added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band
>>> I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High
>>> Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until
>>> right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class"
>>> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's
>>> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of
>>> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of
>>> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of
>>> over or under inflating can change that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.

After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv derailer 
will cost. 

shoji
arlington ma

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one 
> is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those 
> added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band 
>> I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High 
>> Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until 
>> right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" 
>> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
>> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
>> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
>> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of 
>> over or under inflating can change that. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Bill Schairer]

I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one is 
probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those added 
bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.

Bill S
San Diego

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I 
> listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High 
> Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until 
> right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" 
> resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
> "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
> worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
> Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of 
> over or under inflating can change that. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Garth]

I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I 
listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High 
Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until 
right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" 
resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
"just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of 
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[lconley]

Except that the shift levers are sold out!

Laing

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
> components like this being made!
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[DavidP]

The "custom Rivendell" part is key as it requires the chainstay braze-on 
for the RD mount rather than the standard dropout hanger mount.

-Dave

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a really cool bit, yet it's a lot to spend just to be different and 
stylish.
What's the functional benefit to investing in one?

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  On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:25 AM, James M wrote:   
Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
components like this being made!

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
wrote:

The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
$729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little different 
and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. KUDOs to Jan for 
sticking with it. Nivex Rear


For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship comes 
in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see the new Riv 
rear derailer. 
Marty


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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[James M]

Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
components like this being made!

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Luke Hendrickson]

Marty!

Thank you for sharing this here. I’ve often admired Jan’s rig with the 
Nivex and wanted a production version for myself. It’s beautiful and to the 
point and what’s more – I want one! Should I tire of my three pulley 
Suntour (and want to pony up for a frame modification + repaint), I’d take 
this in a heartbeat. I hope that someone here gets one. 

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:49:40 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I hereby submit a pre-emptive APPROVE to the first person to run a Nivex 
> RD on a Rivendell.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Bill Lindsay]

I hereby submit a pre-emptive APPROVE to the first person to run a Nivex RD 
on a Rivendell.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
>

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