Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Nick Payne]

On Monday, 15 November 2021 at 10:38:48 am UTC+11 Patrick Moore wrote:

> "Album." Now there's an out-of-date term; even LPs weren't truly "albums," 
> which named thick collections of shellac 78s in bound sleeves. (I do 
> remember turntables with 78, 45, and 33 1/3 rpm speed selections, though.)
>

At school in the early 1960s I can remember our music teacher playing us 
Act 2 of Tristan and Isolde on 78s. Rather spoilt the flow of the opera, 
though, when he had to leap up and change the disc every four or five 
minutes.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Patrick Moore]

I think I'll let my daughter find a turntable -- her gen finds them
appealing, I guess, how we Boomers find wind-up Victrolas -- and have her
make a digital copy with all the hisses scratches and pops.

Seriously, I do have B-o-B in MP3 format.

"Album." Now there's an out-of-date term; even LPs weren't truly "albums,"
which named thick collections of shellac 78s in bound sleeves. (I do
remember turntables with 78, 45, and 33 1/3 rpm speed selections, though.)

I sang to my infant daughter too, mostly old American folk songs. She's
never forgiven me in the 20 years of her life. Kidding, but I expect I got
as much pleasure from it as she.

Back to bikes: I wish my daughter would ask me to build her a RBW-ian type
bike, but she's artsy rather than bikey.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 3:52 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> 1. "Somebody" needs a turntable. I'm sure ibob can hook you up.
> 2. My oldest son was what we still evidently call colicky. There were only
> 3 surefire routes to a subtle rocking sleep:
> a. Missippi John Hurt, "Best Of" (Oberlin College, '65): He could not last
> beyond Here I Am, Lord Send Me/I Shall Not Be Moved/Nearer My God To Thee.
> Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
> b. Keith Jarrett+, Standards Vol I: God Bless The Child was the magic
> cut---but this was only available in Laser Disc for years, so cuing that
> all up etc was quite the production.
> c. Me singing "Cockles and Mussels," in the worst fake Irish accent
> possible; don't know where that came from, maybe from mom's rural Tenn
> childhood? Though I never heard her sing it. Definitely not with my mostly
> German dad. All I took away from that was the childhood horrors of
> Struwwelpeter. Cockles & Mussels took 3 or 4 cycles/renditions for sleep to
> arrive, but I could sing it without having to power up a musical
> reproduction device.
> 3. I've had some recent insomnia, and there's been some MJH,
> Garcia/Grisman, also Coltrane/Coleman/Miles/Monk, and lots of Leonard
> Cohen. I find the musical content taking precedence over the reproduction
> quality, so low-volume smartphone playback substitutes nicely in place of
> Patrick's wayback speaker sandwich; also bone induction headphones are
> comfy to fall asleep to. Oh, and BTW to Patrick, there's something to be
> said for lumping a whole bunch of digitized files together and being able
> to hit Play and get 100 cuts of whatever floats yer boat to unspool into
> your brain.
>
> If there's an off-ramp back to On-Topic Land, youngest son is now 28,
> wondering where his childhood went, and I'm busy scheming ways to get him
> to take away 2-3 of my bikes as "his," convenient because both boys and me
> fit the same size bikes. I'm sure he wouldn't mind me borrowing one of
> "his" bikes if I drop in...
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:01:55 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Yah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>>
>> Jerry Garcia and compadre channeling Mississippi John Hurt (an orig vers
>> here: https://youtu.be/vPuj2dUeyJ4) but doing it better. And Whiskey in
>> the Jar, etc.
>>
>> Seriously, I've been listening to Bob since 1969, so I'm not deprecating
>> his very obvious genious. (I also had a small MJH collection, not to
>> mention the obvious Muddy Waters, BB King, etc etc etc.)
>>
>> Funny anecdote; at least, funny to me: one of my favorite albums circa
>> 1969 was Dylan's Blonde on Blonde -- I still think it's one of his best. I
>> recall teenage insomnia, when I would leave my bed, go to the "parlour,"
>> the sitting room for our children's part of the house, where my father had
>> installed his castoff Phillips stereo when he upgraded. I'd take the
>> speakers off the wall where they were hanging, set up a pallent on my floor
>> and sit the speakers one by each ear, and listen to my faves. My parents
>> were in the new part of the house, about a half-mile away, and the 2 of my
>> 3 siblings who slept in the old part slept soundly.
>>
>> Anyway, 52 years later, my daughter's boyfriend, a musician, very sweetly
>> presented me with that same Blonde on Blonde album; only now, I have
>> nothing to play it on. I'll use it as wall art.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 6:12 PM John A. Bennett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At least as good as Dylan? Wht? Call me confused!
>>>
>>>
>>> https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/2020/03/Watch-Bob-Dylans-iconic-San-Francisco-press-conference-1965-768x586.jpg
>>>
>>> John in Portland, Ore.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape,
 not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell
 current formats are is something I find confusing.

 I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David
 Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes.

 Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by
 PP or 

Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Paul Brodek]

1. "Somebody" needs a turntable. I'm sure ibob can hook you up.
2. My oldest son was what we still evidently call colicky. There were only 
3 surefire routes to a subtle rocking sleep:
a. Missippi John Hurt, "Best Of" (Oberlin College, '65): He could not last 
beyond Here I Am, Lord Send Me/I Shall Not Be Moved/Nearer My God To Thee. 
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
b. Keith Jarrett+, Standards Vol I: God Bless The Child was the magic 
cut---but this was only available in Laser Disc for years, so cuing that 
all up etc was quite the production.
c. Me singing "Cockles and Mussels," in the worst fake Irish accent 
possible; don't know where that came from, maybe from mom's rural Tenn 
childhood? Though I never heard her sing it. Definitely not with my mostly 
German dad. All I took away from that was the childhood horrors of 
Struwwelpeter. Cockles & Mussels took 3 or 4 cycles/renditions for sleep to 
arrive, but I could sing it without having to power up a musical 
reproduction device. 
3. I've had some recent insomnia, and there's been some MJH, 
Garcia/Grisman, also Coltrane/Coleman/Miles/Monk, and lots of Leonard 
Cohen. I find the musical content taking precedence over the reproduction 
quality, so low-volume smartphone playback substitutes nicely in place of 
Patrick's wayback speaker sandwich; also bone induction headphones are 
comfy to fall asleep to. Oh, and BTW to Patrick, there's something to be 
said for lumping a whole bunch of digitized files together and being able 
to hit Play and get 100 cuts of whatever floats yer boat to unspool into 
your brain. 

If there's an off-ramp back to On-Topic Land, youngest son is now 28, 
wondering where his childhood went, and I'm busy scheming ways to get him 
to take away 2-3 of my bikes as "his," convenient because both boys and me 
fit the same size bikes. I'm sure he wouldn't mind me borrowing one of 
"his" bikes if I drop in...

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:01:55 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>
> Jerry Garcia and compadre channeling Mississippi John Hurt (an orig vers 
> here: https://youtu.be/vPuj2dUeyJ4) but doing it better. And Whiskey in 
> the Jar, etc.
>
> Seriously, I've been listening to Bob since 1969, so I'm not deprecating 
> his very obvious genious. (I also had a small MJH collection, not to 
> mention the obvious Muddy Waters, BB King, etc etc etc.)
>
> Funny anecdote; at least, funny to me: one of my favorite albums circa 
> 1969 was Dylan's Blonde on Blonde -- I still think it's one of his best. I 
> recall teenage insomnia, when I would leave my bed, go to the "parlour," 
> the sitting room for our children's part of the house, where my father had 
> installed his castoff Phillips stereo when he upgraded. I'd take the 
> speakers off the wall where they were hanging, set up a pallent on my floor 
> and sit the speakers one by each ear, and listen to my faves. My parents 
> were in the new part of the house, about a half-mile away, and the 2 of my 
> 3 siblings who slept in the old part slept soundly.
>
> Anyway, 52 years later, my daughter's boyfriend, a musician, very sweetly 
> presented me with that same Blonde on Blonde album; only now, I have 
> nothing to play it on. I'll use it as wall art.
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 6:12 PM John A. Bennett  wrote:
>
>> At least as good as Dylan? Wht? Call me confused! 
>>
>>
>> https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/2020/03/Watch-Bob-Dylans-iconic-San-Francisco-press-conference-1965-768x586.jpg
>>
>> John in Portland, Ore.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, 
>>> not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell 
>>> current formats are is something I find confusing.
>>>
>>> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David 
>>> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes. 
>>>
>>> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by 
>>> PP or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>>>
>>> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, 
>>> and have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on 
>>> my computer and on a separate hard drive. 
>>>
>>> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which 
>>> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>>>
>>> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Patrick Moore]

Yah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg

Jerry Garcia and compadre channeling Mississippi John Hurt (an orig vers
here: https://youtu.be/vPuj2dUeyJ4) but doing it better. And Whiskey in the
Jar, etc.

Seriously, I've been listening to Bob since 1969, so I'm not deprecating
his very obvious genious. (I also had a small MJH collection, not to
mention the obvious Muddy Waters, BB King, etc etc etc.)

Funny anecdote; at least, funny to me: one of my favorite albums circa 1969
was Dylan's Blonde on Blonde -- I still think it's one of his best. I
recall teenage insomnia, when I would leave my bed, go to the "parlour,"
the sitting room for our children's part of the house, where my father had
installed his castoff Phillips stereo when he upgraded. I'd take the
speakers off the wall where they were hanging, set up a pallent on my floor
and sit the speakers one by each ear, and listen to my faves. My parents
were in the new part of the house, about a half-mile away, and the 2 of my
3 siblings who slept in the old part slept soundly.

Anyway, 52 years later, my daughter's boyfriend, a musician, very sweetly
presented me with that same Blonde on Blonde album; only now, I have
nothing to play it on. I'll use it as wall art.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 6:12 PM John A. Bennett  wrote:

> At least as good as Dylan? Wht? Call me confused!
>
>
> https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/2020/03/Watch-Bob-Dylans-iconic-San-Francisco-press-conference-1965-768x586.jpg
>
> John in Portland, Ore.
>
> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape,
>> not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell
>> current formats are is something I find confusing.
>>
>> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David
>> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes.
>>
>> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by PP
>> or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>>
>> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, and
>> have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on my
>> computer and on a separate hard drive.
>>
>> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which
>> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>>
>> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks Nick for the Foobar2000 recommendation. If I dig into it, it might 
be what I’ve been looking for since I downloaded all my Google Play Music 
tracks and Apple Music Match failed to match most of them. I’m enjoying 
Apple Music now that it’s got lossless, but I still want an offline library 
of my own music.

The Web Archive is great. You can listen to old 78 recordings! When we left 
Portland I sold my turntable and all my records, including a box of rare 
78s to a guy who followed me out of the record store that wasn’t interested 
in them. As the guy scampered away with his $5.00 crate of shellac, my 
friend shook his head and said, “He looks way too happy.” Up until last 
week when I checked the Web Archive, I’d never seen some of those songs 
anywhere, but the Andrew’s Sisters “Avocado Song” is up there free for all. 
I got that guy’s $5 and he probably threw out his back hustling that crate 
down the street.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:43:45 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
> files.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[John A. Bennett]

At least as good as Dylan? Wht? Call me confused! 

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/2020/03/Watch-Bob-Dylans-iconic-San-Francisco-press-conference-1965-768x586.jpg

John in Portland, Ore.

On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, not 
> HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell current 
> formats are is something I find confusing.
>
> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David 
> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes. 
>
> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by PP 
> or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>
> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, and 
> have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on my 
> computer and on a separate hard drive. 
>
> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which 
> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>
> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Michael Morrissey]

Save your money for bikes and just listen to the Grateful Dead on 
Relisten.net

Here's a nice one:
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/05/01/me-and-my-uncle?source=335704

If it's free, it's for me.

M.
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:38:48 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Wait - looks like a good bit of the stuff on the Archive is Stream only, 
> still, an amazing resource.
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Check out Archive.org endless collection of live Dead shows downloadable 
>> in whatever format you need, mostly free.
>>
>> https://archive.org/search.php?query=grateful+dead&page=3
>>
>> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com - 
>>> https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman
>>>
>>> Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality 
>>> of MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for 
>>> nearly 2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with 
>>> billing & even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded 
>>> immediately to rectify.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
 somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
 Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
 media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
 server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I 
 use 
 the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT 
 headphones 
 or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
 the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play 
 the 
 files.

 Nick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[greenteadrinkers]

Wait - looks like a good bit of the stuff on the Archive is Stream only, 
still, an amazing resource.

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Check out Archive.org endless collection of live Dead shows downloadable 
> in whatever format you need, mostly free.
>
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=grateful+dead&page=3
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com - 
>> https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman
>>
>> Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality of 
>> MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for nearly 
>> 2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with billing 
>> & even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded 
>> immediately to rectify.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
>>> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
>>> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
>>> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
>>> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
>>> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
>>> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
>>> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[greenteadrinkers]

Check out Archive.org endless collection of live Dead shows downloadable in 
whatever format you need, mostly free.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=grateful+dead&page=3

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com - 
> https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman
>
> Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality of 
> MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for nearly 
> 2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with billing 
> & even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded 
> immediately to rectify.
>
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
>> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
>> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
>> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
>> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
>> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
>> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
>> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
>> files.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Philip Barrett]

Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com 
- https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman

Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality of 
MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for nearly 
2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with billing 
& even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded 
immediately to rectify.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
> files.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Nick Payne]

Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
files.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. the 2 albums have been purchased and downloaded successfully.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 5:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, not
> HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell current
> formats are is something I find confusing.
>
> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David
> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes.
>
> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by PP
> or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>
> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, and
> have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on my
> computer and on a separate hard drive.
>
> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which
> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>
> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, This seems to be a private and not a commercial site ...? I want an
online store for purchase of the albums.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:

> Found via /Gratefuldead on Reddit
>
> Pizza Tapes Google Drive Download
> 
> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> You understand correctly, which is the main downside to their service.
>>
>> I'll keep you posted if I figure out a means of obtaining either album in
>> MP3 format.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Jared in SLO
>>
>> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 5:24:33 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jared. As I understand Spotify - and please correct me if I am
>>> wrong - you don't own the music you get through them.
>>>
>>> I want to own my own files so that if the vendor disappears from the
>>> face of the earth, I still have full access and control of the music.
>>>
>>> If Spotify lets you download your own files and then leave Spotify
>>> behind forever after, I'll be interested to hear more.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 5:49 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>>
 Have you given Spotify a shot?

 You can "download" albums and songs for offline listening, plus lots
 available for streaming when you're in service.

 Not the same as having it on a hard drive but pretty nice for when
 you're going down the road feeling bad.

 Love The Pizza Tapes and the lore behind them, and Shady Grove is a
 masterpiece as well, then again anything Garcia and Grisman touch is bound
 to be gold.

 -Jared in SLO, CA



 On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape,
> not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell
> current formats are is something I find confusing.
>
> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David
> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes.
>
> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by
> PP or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>
> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs,
> and have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on
> my computer and on a separate hard drive.
>
> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which
> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>
> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>
> Thanks.
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Paul Brodek]

I may be missing something here, but if your computer is old/weird enough 
to still have an onboard CD/DVD drive you can rip your own digital files 
from your own CDs for zero cost. If you don't have an onboard drive, 
$15-$35 or so will buy you a separate/portable one. No need to beg/pay 
folks to do it for you?

Ripping your own files lets you choose the quality/sizing you want. I'll 
often do a reasonably med-/high-quality mp3, and add a flac version as well 
if I want the good stuff. 

It's not a panacea, there are times the disc won't offer up file details, 
especially apparently with imported discs, and you can get further caught 
up in "Which ripper software should I use?" rabbit holes. But it's an easy 
process, e-z to do while I'm otherwise already on my computer perusing 
ibob/etc, yadda yadda yadda. 

If you're looking for digital files from discs you don't have on hand, then 
you have the option/decision whether to just buy the files, or buy the CD 
and rip it yourself. These days I'm more often buying files i/o discs for 
music I don't own, since I don't often play the discs after I've ripped 
them.  

BTW, if you're looking for Garcia/Grisman, be aware that there is now a 
3-disc Complete Pizza Tapes release. It's got all the 
outtakes/partials/chatter/fragments, worth it if you're that nerdy. It's 
the one-disc Lefty Frizell fragment times 25 or so. I bought the files for 
this one because I didn't feel like I needed the discs. 

Weird aside, when I spent a lot of time running between Japan-US I jumped 
into the MiniDisc format, since it was the smallest physical format 
available. I found myself in Chicago, waiting to board a flight, and who 
did I see also waiting for the same flight but "Dawg" Grisman himself. I 
spotted him, realized I was listening to Shady Grove on my MiniDisc at the 
time, and wondered how I could acknowledge my regard for his music, and 
also get an autograph or something, without unduly disturbing him and 
coming off like a jackass. I ejected my disc and wondered whether I had a 
pen, only to realize there was absolutely no physical space on the disc for 
any possible signage. I popped it back in, shrugged, and decided to just 
listen/enjoy and leave him be. But we coulda been best friends, I do know 
that in my heart of hearts...

Paul "Jackass" Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA  
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:32:24 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, not 
> HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell current 
> formats are is something I find confusing.
>
> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David 
> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes. 
>
> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by PP 
> or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>
> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, and 
> have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on my 
> computer and on a separate hard drive. 
>
> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which 
> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>
> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Jared Wilson]

Found via /Gratefuldead on Reddit

Pizza Tapes Google Drive Download 

On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Patrick, 
>
> You understand correctly, which is the main downside to their service.
>
> I'll keep you posted if I figure out a means of obtaining either album in 
> MP3 format.
>
> Best
>
> Jared in SLO
>
> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 5:24:33 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jared. As I understand Spotify - and please correct me if I am 
>> wrong - you don't own the music you get through them. 
>>
>> I want to own my own files so that if the vendor disappears from the face 
>> of the earth, I still have full access and control of the music.
>>
>> If Spotify lets you download your own files and then leave Spotify behind 
>> forever after, I'll be interested to hear more.
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 5:49 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Have you given Spotify a shot? 
>>>
>>> You can "download" albums and songs for offline listening, plus lots 
>>> available for streaming when you're in service.
>>>
>>> Not the same as having it on a hard drive but pretty nice for when 
>>> you're going down the road feeling bad.
>>>
>>> Love The Pizza Tapes and the lore behind them, and Shady Grove is a 
>>> masterpiece as well, then again anything Garcia and Grisman touch is bound 
>>> to be gold.
>>>
>>> -Jared in SLO, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, 
 not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell 
 current formats are is something I find confusing.

 I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David 
 Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes. 

 Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by 
 PP or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?

 Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, 
 and have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on 
 my computer and on a separate hard drive. 

 In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which 
 sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.

 Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg

 Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Jared Wilson]

Patrick, 

You understand correctly, which is the main downside to their service.

I'll keep you posted if I figure out a means of obtaining either album in 
MP3 format.

Best

Jared in SLO

On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 5:24:33 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Jared. As I understand Spotify - and please correct me if I am 
> wrong - you don't own the music you get through them. 
>
> I want to own my own files so that if the vendor disappears from the face 
> of the earth, I still have full access and control of the music.
>
> If Spotify lets you download your own files and then leave Spotify behind 
> forever after, I'll be interested to hear more.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 5:49 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Have you given Spotify a shot? 
>>
>> You can "download" albums and songs for offline listening, plus lots 
>> available for streaming when you're in service.
>>
>> Not the same as having it on a hard drive but pretty nice for when you're 
>> going down the road feeling bad.
>>
>> Love The Pizza Tapes and the lore behind them, and Shady Grove is a 
>> masterpiece as well, then again anything Garcia and Grisman touch is bound 
>> to be gold.
>>
>> -Jared in SLO, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, 
>>> not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell 
>>> current formats are is something I find confusing.
>>>
>>> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David 
>>> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes. 
>>>
>>> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by 
>>> PP or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>>>
>>> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, 
>>> and have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on 
>>> my computer and on a separate hard drive. 
>>>
>>> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which 
>>> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>>>
>>> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Jared. As I understand Spotify - and please correct me if I am
wrong - you don't own the music you get through them.

I want to own my own files so that if the vendor disappears from the face
of the earth, I still have full access and control of the music.

If Spotify lets you download your own files and then leave Spotify behind
forever after, I'll be interested to hear more.

Thanks, Patrick

On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 5:49 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:

> Have you given Spotify a shot?
>
> You can "download" albums and songs for offline listening, plus lots
> available for streaming when you're in service.
>
> Not the same as having it on a hard drive but pretty nice for when you're
> going down the road feeling bad.
>
> Love The Pizza Tapes and the lore behind them, and Shady Grove is a
> masterpiece as well, then again anything Garcia and Grisman touch is bound
> to be gold.
>
> -Jared in SLO, CA
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape,
>> not HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell
>> current formats are is something I find confusing.
>>
>> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David
>> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes.
>>
>> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by PP
>> or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>>
>> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, and
>> have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on my
>> computer and on a separate hard drive.
>>
>> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which
>> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>>
>> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Jared Wilson]

Have you given Spotify a shot? 

You can "download" albums and songs for offline listening, plus lots 
available for streaming when you're in service.

Not the same as having it on a hard drive but pretty nice for when you're 
going down the road feeling bad.

Love The Pizza Tapes and the lore behind them, and Shady Grove is a 
masterpiece as well, then again anything Garcia and Grisman touch is bound 
to be gold.

-Jared in SLO, CA



On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I grew up with vinyl LPs and transitioned to cassettes (magnetic tape, not 
> HG) and CDs easily enough, but navigating MP3 or whateverthehell current 
> formats are is something I find confusing.
>
> I'd like to get, in particular, these 2 albums: Jerry Garcia and David 
> Grisman, "Shady Grove," and (ditto), The Pizza Tapes. 
>
> Is there any *secure and reliable source* from which to pay online by PP 
> or CC and download the whole albums to one's computer?
>
> Not long ago I bought the Complete Works of JS Bach on 142 or so CDs, and 
> have had to beg and pay people to convert them to files I can store on my 
> computer and on a separate hard drive. 
>
> In anticipated appreciation of all y'alls help, I append this, which 
> sufficiently proves the reasonableness of my desire.
>
> Note: This track is pure "just ride" music.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91XCNix2tg
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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