Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-30 Thread Steven Frederick
Thanks for that!   My cat preferred the boxes stuff came in...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/6407440383/in/photostream

Lost her not long after that pic was taken...B-(

Steve



On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike.


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as the
 day and I both warmed up.


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/**2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**
 real-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-30 Thread Mike
I don't see it as thread jacking. That sounds so rude. So inconsiderate. 
We're just a little tangential...

--mike

On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:21:12 PM UTC-8, William wrote:

 This thread has veered way off topic

 EPIC threadjacking, no question.  

 Bill One man's threadjacking is another man's violent segue Lindsay


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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-30 Thread Ron Mc
Steve, that's where I got the idea.  She's into every box.  When I set a 
soft lunchbox size cooler on the kitchen counter and turn around, she's 
inside it before I can put water bottles in.  

On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:18:27 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:

 Thanks for that!   My cat preferred the boxes stuff came in...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/6407440383/in/photostream

 Lost her not long after that pic was taken...B-(

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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Ron Mc
something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind this 
weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.  Seriously, 
it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of your torso 
and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as the day and I 
both warmed up.  

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:50:41 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 I dunno Manny three in back + three in front = 9 in my math.

 ;^)

 Congrats on a great ride!  Jealous not to be out there.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 06:53 -0800, Ron Mc wrote:
 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.
 Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect
 of your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my
 layers as the day and I both warmed up. 

And in the cold weather, it keeps the frigid drafts off your naughty
bits, too.



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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind 
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag. 
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of 
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as the 
 day and I both warmed up.  


IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of 
various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

- J

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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Ron Mc
everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike. 

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
Even my cat likes it

On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind 
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag. 
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of 
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as the 
 day and I both warmed up.  


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of 
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:


 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J


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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb
animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained
attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the
car) on my bikes.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike.


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as the
 day and I both warmed up.


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/**2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**
 real-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
BTW: My question is serious. I don't have and don't want a front platform
rack, but my Fargo has front low riders and a rear Logo. I suppose I could
just stuff him into the Sackville on the Riv -- he likes to burrow -- but
I'd hate to get pee stains on it.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the
 car) on my bikes.


 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike.


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as the
 day and I both warmed up.


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/**2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**
 real-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Mike
Hey Patrick, I ride with my Chihuahua Dirk in one of these:

http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/mutt-mover-dog-backpack

He loves it and gets really excited when I bring it out to pedal him to 
doggy daycare.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8123497062/

--mike



On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:40:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb 
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained 
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the 
 car) on my bikes.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike. 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind 
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag. 
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of 
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as 
 the 
 day and I both warmed up.  


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of 
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/**2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**
 real-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
That's great -- must look it up. Tell me: does it work only with upright
bars, or will it work at a 45* back angle, as on the hoods of drop bars.

Nicco thanks you.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Patrick, I ride with my Chihuahua Dirk in one of these:

 http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/mutt-mover-dog-backpack

 He loves it and gets really excited when I bring it out to pedal him to
 doggy daycare.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8123497062/

 --mike



 On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:40:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the
 car) on my bikes.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike.


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as 
 the
 day and I both warmed up.


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**rea**
 l-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Ron Mc
Patrick, if he likes the ride, I think he would sit just fine in a tall 
rando bag.  
Nantucket bike basket makes a big wicker pet carrier with a wire basket 
cage.  

On Monday, January 28, 2013 10:58:40 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's great -- must look it up. Tell me: does it work only with upright 
 bars, or will it work at a 45* back angle, as on the hoods of drop bars.

 Nicco thanks you.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike mjaw...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 Hey Patrick, I ride with my Chihuahua Dirk in one of these:

 http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/mutt-mover-dog-backpack

 He loves it and gets really excited when I bring it out to pedal him to 
 doggy daycare.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8123497062/

 --mike



 On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:40:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb 
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained 
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the 
 car) on my bikes.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike. 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south 
 wind this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag. 
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect 
 of 
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as 
 the 
 day and I both warmed up.  


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of 
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**rea**
 l-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, Ron. I don't have the sort of front rack that will support a rando
bag and, also, I'd like something that I could use with different bikes. A
backpack seems to be a good idea for this.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick, if he likes the ride, I think he would sit just fine in a tall
 rando bag.
 Nantucket bike basket makes a big wicker pet carrier with a wire basket
 cage.


 On Monday, January 28, 2013 10:58:40 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's great -- must look it up. Tell me: does it work only with upright
 bars, or will it work at a 45* back angle, as on the hoods of drop bars.

 Nicco thanks you.


 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike mjaw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Patrick, I ride with my Chihuahua Dirk in one of these:

 http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/**products/mutt-mover-dog-**backpackhttp://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/mutt-mover-dog-backpack

 He loves it and gets really excited when I bring it out to pedal him to
 doggy daycare.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**41335973@N00/8123497062/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8123497062/

 --mike



 On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:40:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the
 car) on my bikes.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike.


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south
 wind this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect 
 of
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as 
 the
 day and I both warmed up.


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/**2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**rea*
 ***l-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Ron Mc
agree, that's really cool - just throwing out what I knew

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 Thanks, Ron. I don't have the sort of front rack that will support a rando 
 bag and, also, I'd like something that I could use with different bikes. A 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Mike
On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:58:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's great -- must look it up. Tell me: does it work only with upright 
 bars, or will it work at a 45* back angle, as on the hoods of drop bars.


It works great with upright bars, no doubt about that. I've used it when 
riding my LHT which has drop bars but they are level with the saddle. I'm 
definitely leaning more forward but I don't think there are any issues. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Great. The new Midge on the Fargo is 2 cm above the saddle.

Before I plunk down, does anyone have recommendations or suggestions for
other makes, or are there any rear panniers for dogs?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:58:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's great -- must look it up. Tell me: does it work only with upright
 bars, or will it work at a 45* back angle, as on the hoods of drop bars.


 It works great with upright bars, no doubt about that. I've used it when
 riding my LHT which has drop bars but they are level with the saddle. I'm
 definitely leaning more forward but I don't think there are any issues.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Anecdote, illustrating how *not* to carry your pets: When I was married my
wife and I owned a tandem, to which I fixed a milk crate to carry our two
Shi Tzu, fastened down with shortened leashes. One one early ride the
female decided to take a dive over the side and ended up hanging by her
neck down the left side of the bike, kicking madly. Of course I panicked
and hit the brakes, whereupon we all fell over -- on the left side. The dog
and the wife were, luckily, not hurt, but it was close. I suffered the
usual abrasions and bruises.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great. The new Midge on the Fargo is 2 cm above the saddle.

 Before I plunk down, does anyone have recommendations or suggestions for
 other makes, or are there any rear panniers for dogs?


 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:58:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's great -- must look it up. Tell me: does it work only with upright
 bars, or will it work at a 45* back angle, as on the hoods of drop bars.


 It works great with upright bars, no doubt about that. I've used it when
 riding my LHT which has drop bars but they are level with the saddle. I'm
 definitely leaning more forward but I don't think there are any issues.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Jim Mather
 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great. The new Midge on the Fargo is 2 cm above the saddle.

 Before I plunk down, does anyone have recommendations or suggestions for
 other makes, or are there any rear panniers for dogs?

I've seen open top grocery panniers used for small dogs. But with one
that pees from fright, I would think the best option is something like
an Ortlieb, i.e., made like a dry bag so you can hose it out easily.
Or maybe that's a sign you should leave the dog at home?

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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread hsmitham
Jim great article.

On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:58:27 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind 
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag. 
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of 
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as the 
 day and I both warmed up.  


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of 
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:


 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Paul
These things exist: http://www.pets2bed.com/site/1405195/product/FLM-02

I found one at a yard sale and haven't used it to cary a dog (mine weighs 
45 lbs) but it seems pretty stable and comes on and off the bike easily. 
Just a couple straps around the handlebars, and there is this support thing 
that just rests against the head tube.

That website has an entire category for these 
things: http://www.pets2bed.com/site/1405195/page/888771

Paul

On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:40:45 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb 
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained 
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the 
 car) on my bikes.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike. 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind 
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag. 
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of 
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as 
 the 
 day and I both warmed up.  


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of 
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/**2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**
 real-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks. I actually bought a discount Herse a couple of years ago and got a
big rack and custom bag to carry Nico, but he didn't like it and I found
that I didn't like the big front rack and front loading -- even on a Herse.
The Timbuktu looks like a very good solution since (1) I don't need a
dedicated bike setup and (2) I hear that animals feel more secure if they
are nestled against you back. (Nico is an emotional wimp, trained killer or
no.) Am planning to try it.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Paul paulgclif...@gmail.com wrote:

 These things exist: http://www.pets2bed.com/site/1405195/product/FLM-02

 I found one at a yard sale and haven't used it to cary a dog (mine weighs
 45 lbs) but it seems pretty stable and comes on and off the bike easily.
 Just a couple straps around the handlebars, and there is this support thing
 that just rests against the head tube.

 That website has an entire category for these things:
 http://www.pets2bed.com/site/1405195/page/888771

 Paul


 On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:40:45 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the
 car) on my bikes.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike.


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south wind
 this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag.
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect of
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as 
 the
 day and I both warmed up.


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**rea**
 l-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Esteban
I get it too.  Its the people.  I took your advice, Manny, cause you're 
usually hard to keep up with!  Great day - wonderful to see you out there, 
and wish I had some bionic tape to help you at the start.  Another thing to 
carry!  Lots of Rivs out there, including Benz's randolantis.

No Riv content, but some photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/sets/72157632630734044/

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:20:00 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 It only took a broken right shifter and tons of headwind to help me 
 realize it.
 The sense of camaraderie is hard to explain when it comes to a randonneur 
 event.
 Cycling as much as it's an individual sport there's a sense of teamwork 
 and hardship that you share with the the same people you see on the road 
 that makes you understand their experience in some way.

 Good start of any rides always end up with something breaking. Today? 
 Broken right shifter.
 Wasn't really that bad. I had threeish usable gears in the rear and I 
 still had my triple in the front. Figured I would deal with it some how.
 Couldn't really bother burdening people with my mechanical failure so I 
 rode mostly on my own.
 But here's the beauty of a randonneur event you never really ride on your 
 own.
 Along the way I would pick up or get picked up by great variety of people. 
 Highlights?
 Got to jokingly yell at Esteban to pick up the pace which he actually did 
 I didn't seem him on the ride again.
 Got to meet Mr.Eric Norris and picked his brain about his experience with 
 the PBP. 
 Got no sympathy from Chris who was riding the whole ride fixed.
 Got to pick up then get dropped then pick up again Doug with his bright 
 green 
 Got dropped by Gaby a numerous of times.
 Got to talk to Juliayn about the wondering healing properties of whistling.
 Got to see Joe B. and Will riding towards the lighthouse.
 Got tons of time on the road where I got to ride basically on my own and 
 marvel at how amazing it is to ride so far on my own.
 Pretty snazzy group I feel like a better rider and a better person 
 because I got to ride with such a awesome group.

 Pictures prove that hard rides to nowhere and back are still pretty nice:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDLNf22

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Peter Pesce
One advantage of the front-mount solution to consider is that having your 
dog in front of you will allow you to talk to and pet him/her etc and thus 
help ease any anxiety. I have trianed my 15 lb terrier to ride happily in a 
front wald basket (either rack-supported or with the wald struts -he's too 
heavy for any cantilever or hanging options) and being able to pet him and 
give him encouragement - I actually fed him small treats every few minutes 
in our first rides around the block - was a huge help in getting him 
comfortable.

-Pete in CT

On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:04:56 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Thanks. I actually bought a discount Herse a couple of years ago and got a 
 big rack and custom bag to carry Nico, but he didn't like it and I found 
 that I didn't like the big front rack and front loading -- even on a Herse. 
 The Timbuktu looks like a very good solution since (1) I don't need a 
 dedicated bike setup and (2) I hear that animals feel more secure if they 
 are nestled against you back. (Nico is an emotional wimp, trained killer or 
 no.) Am planning to try it.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Paul paulgc...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 These things exist: http://www.pets2bed.com/site/1405195/product/FLM-02

 I found one at a yard sale and haven't used it to cary a dog (mine weighs 
 45 lbs) but it seems pretty stable and comes on and off the bike easily. 
 Just a couple straps around the handlebars, and there is this support thing 
 that just rests against the head tube.

 That website has an entire category for these things: 
 http://www.pets2bed.com/site/1405195/page/888771

 Paul


 On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:40:45 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb 
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained 
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the 
 car) on my bikes.

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

  everyone should have a chifferobe on their bike. 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q6mnvf5jCuQ/UP_57ZBzwwI/AbM/yxh3ehF8fcw/s1600/aP1180003.jpg
 Even my cat likes it

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:58:27 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:53:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 something I discovered pedaling into the teeth of a beating south 
 wind this weekend - a tall rando bag acts as a faring, and reduces drag. 
  Seriously, it directs the wind flow and  reduces the parachute effect 
 of 
 your torso and thighs.  It was also a great place to stuff my layers as 
 the 
 day and I both warmed up.  


 IIRC, there was an early BQ which did a low speed wind tunnel test of 
 various set ups. ahhh - here ya go:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-**rea**
 l-world-bicycles/http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/aerodynamics-of-real-world-bicycles/

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Brad


On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:40:45 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y'all carried ~ 8 lb 
 animals on your bikes? I'd like to find a way to carry my trained 
 attack/guard Chihuahua (who pees in fright when I come to take him to the 
 car) on my bikes.


This thread has veered way off topic, but sometimes I ride with my 20lb dog 
in my front basket:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=iYzLPWJfqqo 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread William
This thread has veered way off topic

EPIC threadjacking, no question.  

Bill One man's threadjacking is another man's violent segue Lindsay

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread Mike
Dirk didn't like riding in the trailer but then I tried riding with him in 
a messenger bag and he seemed to like that because he was next to me that 
seemed to calm him down. I'm very happy with the bag, it's not perfect but 
works well enough. I wish there were more pockets for storing things like 
tools, tubs, dog treats, leash, etc. There is one pocket in it but if 
that's packed it pushes up against Dirk.

--mike


On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:18:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Great. The new Midge on the Fargo is 2 cm above the saddle.

 Before I plunk down, does anyone have recommendations or suggestions for 
 other makes, or are there any rear panniers for dogs?

 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Mike mjaw...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:58:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 That's great -- must look it up. Tell me: does it work only with upright 
 bars, or will it work at a 45* back angle, as on the hoods of drop bars.


 It works great with upright bars, no doubt about that. I've used it when 
 riding my LHT which has drop bars but they are level with the saddle. I'm 
 definitely leaning more forward but I don't think there are any issues. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
That's why I prefaced it with the remark about the segue. I suppose I ought
to have started a new thread.

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 This thread has veered way off topic

 EPIC threadjacking, no question.

 Bill One man's threadjacking is another man's violent segue Lindsay

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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-27 Thread Michael


 You are one tough man, Manny!
  

I love reading about these logistical things for rides because it will help 
me to just keep riding if I run into difficulty, and not just give up right 
off the bat.
Great to see what can be done with sneakers and a broken shift lever with 
the right frame of mind.
 
Applause, applause. Sounds like you had a great ride.
 
BTW, you should give that Silver lever to Grant so he can do an autopsy on 
it and post the results on the blug.
He used to do them for broken bikes/parts in the Rivreaders. Would be fun 
to see the report on it.
When you hand it to him, tell him it just died under you.
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-27 Thread René Sterental
Great adventure and story!


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 You are one tough man, Manny!


 I love reading about these logistical things for rides because it will
 help me to just keep riding if I run into difficulty, and not just give up
 right off the bat.
 Great to see what can be done with sneakers and a broken shift lever with
 the right frame of mind.

 Applause, applause. Sounds like you had a great ride.

 BTW, you should give that Silver lever to Grant so he can do an autopsy on
 it and post the results on the blug.
 He used to do them for broken bikes/parts in the Rivreaders. Would be fun
 to see the report on it.
 When you hand it to him, tell him it just died under you.



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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-27 Thread hsmitham
Manny a Lesser cyclist would have called it a day, you forged ahead, good 
job!

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:20:00 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 It only took a broken right shifter and tons of headwind to help me 
 realize it.
 The sense of camaraderie is hard to explain when it comes to a randonneur 
 event.
 Cycling as much as it's an individual sport there's a sense of teamwork 
 and hardship that you share with the the same people you see on the road 
 that makes you understand their experience in some way.

 Good start of any rides always end up with something breaking. Today? 
 Broken right shifter.
 Wasn't really that bad. I had threeish usable gears in the rear and I 
 still had my triple in the front. Figured I would deal with it some how.
 Couldn't really bother burdening people with my mechanical failure so I 
 rode mostly on my own.
 But here's the beauty of a randonneur event you never really ride on your 
 own.
 Along the way I would pick up or get picked up by great variety of people. 
 Highlights?
 Got to jokingly yell at Esteban to pick up the pace which he actually did 
 I didn't seem him on the ride again.
 Got to meet Mr.Eric Norris and picked his brain about his experience with 
 the PBP. 
 Got no sympathy from Chris who was riding the whole ride fixed.
 Got to pick up then get dropped then pick up again Doug with his bright 
 green 
 Got dropped by Gaby a numerous of times.
 Got to talk to Juliayn about the wondering healing properties of whistling.
 Got to see Joe B. and Will riding towards the lighthouse.
 Got tons of time on the road where I got to ride basically on my own and 
 marvel at how amazing it is to ride so far on my own.
 Pretty snazzy group I feel like a better rider and a better person 
 because I got to ride with such a awesome group.

 Pictures prove that hard rides to nowhere and back are still pretty nice:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDLNf22

 -Manny I guess I'm doing this on a three speed Acosta




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[RBW] Re: Okay I get it now.

2013-01-27 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
I dunno Manny three in back + three in front = 9 in my math.

;^)

Congrats on a great ride!  Jealous not to be out there.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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