[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

"I don’t think the disapprovers even think they are disapproving."

It's just a bike pricing discussion. I don't disapprove of his price, I'm just 
discussing why it may be too high to generate a sale. Heck, a while back I 
posted one here so high I was SURE it wouldn't sell, and when I almost 
immediately got a buyer without haggling I almost backed out! I think this 
fellow is in that "not sure I want to let it go" position. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

Also, I think Steven Sweedler is right, he doesn't seem a motivated seller. 
I've done this: posted a frame or bike at an "if I can't get this much for it 
I'd rather keep it" price. That custom is really nice and I suspect the seller 
is happy to keep it around if he can't make a killing on it, and good for him. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

Marty, someone asked in the third comment on the thread "Why hasn't this sold?" 
after the second comment was that it had been around for years. To me that's a 
conversation starter so I joined the conversation because Riv values interest 
me. You're not the seller and this isn't a FS thread, I perceive it as a 
conversation thread. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

Martu

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Steven Sweedler]

Marty, don’t be offended by the  criticism. Its not directed at you. This
bike has been for sale for quite awhile, I seriously considered it months
ago, but much prefer to buy framesets rather than completes. Parting out is
certainly an option that I considered, but never thought I could recoup
$1500 off the parts as Bill mentioned. Despite the expensive parts, I think
it is priced high, I don’t think the seller is what I would call motivated.
Steve

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:31 AM Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
martinpgie...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 12:39:51 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> It's a tall frame for 26" wheels in a 650B/27.5 world. Which was supposed
>> to reference an earlier post I made, but I forgot to make the connection.
>
>
> For *you* Joe.  Maybe not for someone else. This is close to something I
> would ride. Personally, I don't live in a 650b world. If someone was
> looking for a cool custom 26"-wheeled Rivendell-badged bike like this,
> where are they going to find one? Like the recent custom Riv sold that was
> not just right for Vaughn, seems to me there is a lot of seller-bashing
> going on here lately. If something pops up FS here that you are not
> interested in, why comment at all? If you are interested, reach out to the
> seller and make an offer for what you think it's worth. Still too much?
> Walk away.
>
> I thought posting that ad here would help someone find their perfect ride
> as a fair price. Didn't intend to start a thing. For the sake of sellers
> out there, I won't do that again. Let the cricket's chirping send a message
> that the price may be out of line. Other non-bike groups I frequent
> discourage if not ban the whole topic of what things are "worth" for good
> reason. I'm all for that.
>
> Marty
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Bill Lindsay]

Marty

Please don’t stop posting links to Rivendell for sale. People just like to 
express their disapproval sometimes. I don’t think the disapprovers even think 
they are disapproving. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 12:39:51 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's a tall frame for 26" wheels in a 650B/27.5 world. Which was supposed 
> to reference an earlier post I made, but I forgot to make the connection.


For *you* Joe.  Maybe not for someone else. This is close to something I 
would ride. Personally, I don't live in a 650b world. If someone was 
looking for a cool custom 26"-wheeled Rivendell-badged bike like this, 
where are they going to find one? Like the recent custom Riv sold that was 
not just right for Vaughn, seems to me there is a lot of seller-bashing 
going on here lately. If something pops up FS here that you are not 
interested in, why comment at all? If you are interested, reach out to the 
seller and make an offer for what you think it's worth. Still too much? 
Walk away. 

I thought posting that ad here would help someone find their perfect ride 
as a fair price. Didn't intend to start a thing. For the sake of sellers 
out there, I won't do that again. Let the cricket's chirping send a message 
that the price may be out of line. Other non-bike groups I frequent 
discourage if not ban the whole topic of what things are "worth" for good 
reason. I'm all for that. 

Marty


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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

It's a tall frame for 26" wheels in a 650B/27.5 world. Which was supposed to 
reference an earlier post I made, but I forgot to make the connection. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It’s a tiny frame.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

*it's a tall frame

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

Correct Drw, which brings us back to it's a talk frame with out-of-vogue 
wheels. The reality about production Rivs you usually know if you fit or not, 
and it's pretty hard to stipulate one made to Grant's specs at Waterford, Toyo 
or Taiwan is inferior in any noticeable way to a custom. 

I'm getting a custom made to my specific desires and dimensions, but will it be 
"better" than other Rivs I've owned? I doubt it. It'll be special just for me 
in my color choice from the great Joe Bell and this is all worth what I'm 
paying. But my almost comically cheaper Clem L is probably 99% as good as far 
as how a bike works.  

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Drw]

Yeah I have owned 2 used rivendells that came with better or similar parts that 
were about 1000$ less. Of course those were deals I pounced on, but feeling 
like you’re getting a deal is part of making a sale. Also I’m not sure that 
these customs, though they cost much more to make/buy (than say a hillborne), 
are worth more upon resale. They include many more unknowns about what the 
frame is and what the fit is like. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

The problem isn't so much that you can't part it out as that it's a lot of 
hassle. Fine if that's your thing, but there's so many other pefectly good 
complete Rivs out there for that kinda money. I can see why he's not getting 
much interest.  

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Bill Lindsay]

Back in the late 90s and early 00s, when I was a bike mechanic and graduate 
student, parting out bike from eBay and craigslist was one of my income 
streams.  When I got a 'real job', I'd still buy complete bikes and part 
out the build to get a frame for free.  Don't people do that anymore?  
People just can't be bothered with the hassle?  I see an expensive build 
wrapped around a desireable frame.  I could envision parting that thing out 
and getting it down to a frameset that I'd have $1000 invested in.  Others 
are referring to this frameset like it's inextricably locked to its parts, 
or that you'd have to throw the parts into the garbage.  Part it out!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:55:02 AM UTC-7, Wyatt wrote:
>
> Yeah, the frame is great, but I wouldn’t want that build.

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Wyatt]

Yeah, the frame is great, but I wouldn’t want that build.

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[S. Greco]

I think lots of people just don't like the thought of paying top dollar for 
a bunch of parts they may not want / the seller clearly doesn't want.
I had offered the seller 2K for the F/F/HS last year, he seemed offended by 
the offer.

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 3:51:47 PM UTC-4, Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-custom-26-Touring-bike-58x58-cm/133354552620?hash=item1f0c8cfd2c:g:~wYAAOSwxDFeZBUD
>
> Pretty bike dripping with upgraded parts. Price is a steal. Not my size, 
> and no affiliation. Check the seller's other auctions. Some nice stuff 
> priced really well. (The 64cm Columbine is tempting..) 
>
> Marty
>
> [image: s-l1600 (97).jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Mike Godwin]

I've seen that bike and the sellers others on LA craigslist. He has some 
really nice bikes. The craigslist ads had better quality photos. Some 
prices were good, some not so good. 

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 7:12:15 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:

> As a point of reference, the ""Doc" Steve Custom Special" from Riv is 
> $2200. I'd expect to pay more for a bike from Riv, than for one from a 
> private citizen. eBay means potentially a slightly higher price than here, 
> which should be slightly more than Craigslist or FB marketplace, IMHO. BTW, 
> interesting to see Riv selling a used bike. I like it.
>
> Chris, who would definitely be interested in the 58cm 26" custom if he 
> didn't already own a 26" wheel Atlantis.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Christopher Cote]

As a point of reference, the ""Doc" Steve Custom Special" from Riv is $2200. 
I'd expect to pay more for a bike from Riv, than for one from a private 
citizen. eBay means potentially a slightly higher price than here, which should 
be slightly more than Craigslist or FB marketplace, IMHO. BTW, interesting to 
see Riv selling a used bike. I like it.

Chris, who would definitely be interested in the 58cm 26" custom if he didn't 
already own a 26" wheel Atlantis.

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[maxcr]

I agree, better photos and it’ll go for $1,500-$2,000 depending on urgency.
Max

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

So now with my recalibrated market sense: I think it struggles with being a 
tall 26-inch-wheel bike in a 650B/27.5 era, and the convoluted parts mix. It'll 
sell eventually if he really wants it gone, but his price will need to budge a 
bit. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

Actually I misunderstood it as an All Rounder..this is a more recent full 
custom, not a production Waterford. I could see it going for $2k. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Karl]

I think Joe is pretty spot on from the All Rounder and All Rounder frame I just 
sold. Getting ready to put a custom road frame up and will be happy if I get 1k 
for her!

Karl
Nashville,TN

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

What are you paying for your $1500 custom Joe? 

I think the asking price is very fair. Seems like a good way to *save* 
$1500 on a classic Rivendell to me. The BG cantis alone ran $300+, not to 
mention the rest of the build. Lower the saddle and bars (looks a little 
goofy that high) and take some nicer photos and I think it would sell. 

Marty

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>
> It's too expensive, period. I understand why he wants that kinda cash, but 
> that's a $1500 bike. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Mark Roland]

It's true you lose a lot as soon as you ride it home, but strange that this 
would be worth less than a Clem Smith Jr. Not that the Jr. isn't a great 
bike, but it is TIG welded, MIT, with inexpensive parts (except crankset). 
Sure, the Riv 26" has some beausage, but still looks fantastic, and I doubt 
the ride quality has changed much since it was made;^) Skinny tires though!

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 4:31:03 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's too expensive, period. I understand why he wants that kinda cash, but 
> that's a $1500 bike. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Joe Bernard]

It's too expensive, period. I understand why he wants that kinda cash, but 
that's a $1500 bike. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[maxcr]

Why hasn't it sold (other than it's too expensive for the state it's in)? I 
thought the 26 all-rounder is everyone's dream bike.

I asked and it fits 2" tires which sounds perfect.

I'm so tempted to make an offer.

Max

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Poor guy's been trying to sell this bike for the past year or two - it's 
> been popping up fairly regularly.
> I've been in touch with him in the past; the frame essentially is a 
> custom-made All Rounder that looks to be in good shape.
> Kevin Lindsey
> Alexandria, VA
>
> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 3:51:47 PM UTC-4, Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-custom-26-Touring-bike-58x58-cm/133354552620?hash=item1f0c8cfd2c:g:~wYAAOSwxDFeZBUD
>>
>> Pretty bike dripping with upgraded parts. Price is a steal. Not my size, 
>> and no affiliation. Check the seller's other auctions. Some nice stuff 
>> priced really well. (The 64cm Columbine is tempting..) 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> [image: s-l1600 (97).jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA 58cm Rivendell Custom 26"

[Kevin Lindsey]

Poor guy's been trying to sell this bike for the past year or two - it's 
been popping up fairly regularly.
I've been in touch with him in the past; the frame essentially is a 
custom-made All Rounder that looks to be in good shape.
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 3:51:47 PM UTC-4, Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-custom-26-Touring-bike-58x58-cm/133354552620?hash=item1f0c8cfd2c:g:~wYAAOSwxDFeZBUD
>
> Pretty bike dripping with upgraded parts. Price is a steal. Not my size, 
> and no affiliation. Check the seller's other auctions. Some nice stuff 
> priced really well. (The 64cm Columbine is tempting..) 
>
> Marty
>
> [image: s-l1600 (97).jpg]
>
>

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