[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[lambbo]

*Clayton, your Cheviot is now my cheviot so I guess it makes sense that we 
both find it works!

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 2:45:24 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> All personal preference I guess. I had a big wald basket on my Cheviot and 
> routinely had a full camping or grocery load in there. It rode very well 
> with that kind of front load be it dirt or trails.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[Clayton.sf]

All personal preference I guess. I had a big wald basket on my Cheviot and 
routinely had a full camping or grocery load in there. It rode very well with 
that kind of front load be it dirt or trails.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[RonaTD]

> it's hard to imagine handling better than my cheviot with a front load (feels 
> great even with 30lbs). 
My Cheviot is a nightmare with weight up front. It had a crooked fork, and 
aligning that helped, but it still is very unstable with a front load. 

 > Have you found that fender-flaps have helped at all?  
Well,  I mounted my fenders pretty low, and a lot of the spray seems to come 
from the sides of the finders, but I should try flaps. 

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[nathaniel nichols]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfIChudBmqi/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1i65cw12ewwzw

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh699YUBrq9/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=2oa1s0gl1qub

Before the dyno light and with nitto rando bars
https://www.instagram.com/p/BaxGfArB1jW/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=13hp12qmj06au

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[nathaniel nichols]

I do all the road brevets on my fendered Rambouillet (pop, 200, 300, 400, 600, 
flèche, dart) 42mm Honjos over 28mm [closer to 30mm on velocity quill rims] 
Clement strada lgg tires. SONdelux hub to B&M Luxos U headlight to charge 
devices/Garmin. Ruthworks brevet bag on 44 Noodle h'bars wrapped with newbaums, 
ruthworks wedge on nitto 65 seat post under a Brooks cambium c15 carved. Kinda 
heavy but comfy  

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[Lynne Fitz]

They are both 650b, yes, and remarkably similar in component setup.  Except for 
handlebars; Sweetpea has the On One Midge bars, which I love.

I had the Sweetpea made because I wanted a shorter top tube.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[phil k]

Yes would love to see an update! The custom randonneur Riv was one of my 
favorite builds by Riv.

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 11:29:53 AM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I owe the group an update on my custom randonneuring Riv, but yes, 
> Rivendells are plentiful in the rando scene here in the Bay Area, CA.  I 
> rode 200ks on my Roadeo with 32mm GB Cypress tires, no fenders. 
>  200k/300k/400k with 700c Rambouillet, 32mm Paselas, 600k with A Homer 
> Hilson, Parimoto 38 mm with fenders. 650b Rambouillet--full series 
> 200k-600k, 42 mm Hetre with fenders.  Custom rando Riv 300k, 600k 
> ("skipped" 400k this yr), 42 mm Hetre with fenders.
>
> Usually trunk sack small for front rack and Acorn sm/md or Riv banana bag 
> for seat bag.  For 600k I use a Acorn boxy rando bag for the front. Front 
> bag is highly recommended for easy access to food and other key items 
> without any fuss.
>
> If you don't want to put a Mark's Rack on the Roadini, then you could get 
> a small handlebar bag to put a few goodies in, and maybe small top tube 
> container --that is what I do on my Roadeo rides. 
>
> I like the ability to not fuss with batteries and use a dynamo system.
>
> Toshi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I owe the group an update on my custom randonneuring Riv, but yes,
Rivendells are plentiful in the rando scene here in the Bay Area, CA.  I
rode 200ks on my Roadeo with 32mm GB Cypress tires, no fenders.
 200k/300k/400k with 700c Rambouillet, 32mm Paselas, 600k with A Homer
Hilson, Parimoto 38 mm with fenders. 650b Rambouillet--full series
200k-600k, 42 mm Hetre with fenders.  Custom rando Riv 300k, 600k
("skipped" 400k this yr), 42 mm Hetre with fenders.

Usually trunk sack small for front rack and Acorn sm/md or Riv banana bag
for seat bag.  For 600k I use a Acorn boxy rando bag for the front. Front
bag is highly recommended for easy access to food and other key items
without any fuss.

If you don't want to put a Mark's Rack on the Roadini, then you could get a
small handlebar bag to put a few goodies in, and maybe small top tube
container --that is what I do on my Roadeo rides.

I like the ability to not fuss with batteries and use a dynamo system.

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[lambbo]

Ted, it's neat to hear the details about your low trail trials, I've never 
ridden one, that I know of, but it's hard to imagine handling better than 
my cheviot with a front load (feels great even with 30lbs).  I'll have to 
try! Have you found that fender-flaps have helped at all?  I also feel 
discouraged when my feet continue to get wet from puddles, despite fenders. 
  Thanks for sharing!

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:18:39 PM UTC-4, RonaTD wrote:
>
> >How many people here are active randonneurs and ride their Rivendells? 
>
> My first brevets were on my Heron Road. Back then I carried everything in 
> a Carradice saddle bag. For all the well-known reasons, I found that I 
> preferred carrying things in a handlebar bag, and to this day I really like 
> the Riv boxy bag and matching Nitto rack. The magnetic closure is a key 
> feature. (But I prefer my Berthoud front bag for it's built-in map case.) I 
> bought a Bleriot/Protovelo frame and had S&S couplers installed for a 
> travel bike and to enjoy fatter 650B tires. I've done a fair amount of 
> brevet and perm riding on that bike, and for a few years it was my 
> commuting bike, as well. I also experimented with 650B on my Heron Road 
> bikes, and that is where I discovered a handling issue, in which carrying 
> weight in both a handlebar bag and a saddlebag at the same time created a 
> noticeable shimmy issue. Eventually I decided to try a full-on, skinny 
> tube, low trail rando bike, which I used for several years. I found I 
> really liked the lower trail steering feel, especially when carrying a 
> bunch of stuff in the handlebar bag. I particularly notice the handling 
> difference on steep, curvy downhills (and of course steep, slow uphills). I 
> had my Heron Road fork pulled to where the trail is now in the low 50's, 
> and really liked the change. 
>
> I also found that each time I rode the Heron I thought, "this is my 
> favorite bike." So, last year I had Waterford make me an ST-22 with a Heron 
> fork raked out to get the trail into the low 40's. Using the Heron fork 
> crown limits the fender width (it's 40mm between the tangs), so I decided 
> to stick with 57mm reach brakes and 28mm tires with stainless steel 
> fenders. The roads in Wisconsin are generally quite good and I haven't yet 
> regretted going back to skinnier tires. Between the Compass EL casing and 
> the flexy round fork blades, the bike really soaks up road imperfections 
> nicely. The handling is right where I like it. The Schmidt dyno hub with 
> the electrical connect built into the fork ends is a giant convenience, and 
> having always available lights is important to me. 
>
> Fenders vs tire volume depends on your riding conditions and your 
> tolerance for bumps vs being wet. My experience with fenders hasn't been 
> completely happy, as I find that I still get quite a bit of spray on my 
> feet and in the drivetrain. And, one time on a commute a tire picked up a 
> stick and the fender jammed it enough that it tore the tire. That said, I 
> still prefer to ride with fenders if it's wet. But when I took my 
> Bleriot/Travelo to Ireland recently I didn't bother packing fenders. (And 
> lucked out - the weather was beautiful!) 
>
> My 650b skinny tube bike is now my commuter, and I'm really happy with 
> that. Dyno hub and lights are key, and fenders while not perfect are 
> helpful. I carry a backpack in a Wald basket on the front and the very low 
> trail geometry makes that work. 
>
> I've done 200km on my Rivendell Road, which has 26mm tires and nothing 
> more than a small tool wrap under the saddle, and that was fast and fine, 
> though it meant stuffing the jersey pockets and relying more on buying 
> stuff along the way. There is a lot that changes when you get over 200km. 
> Contact points - feet, seat, and hands - and fueling are the areas I've had 
> the most adjustment. None of that is really "Rivendell specific". 
>
> Ted Durant 
> Milwaukee, WI 
> RUSA 7849

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[SSL]

That's the current plan!

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 11:00:44 AM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>
> SSL, that's great to hear about - your evolving set-up is 
> interesting...having something on the front seems so handy (I've committed 
> to the rear but maybe next year).  That's also smart to think of powering 
> your GPS, I know lots of people stress about battery life of such an 
> essential.  Thanks for the pics!SF rando seems really hardcore (so 
> hilly!) and I always imagine that many of the people on here, in that area, 
> ride with them.   Are you hoping to do PBP on the Hillborne?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:00:52 PM UTC-4, SSL wrote:
>>
>> This year I rode my first full series (200, 300, 400, 600) + the Fleche 
>> and Dart team events with the SF Randonneurs on my Sam Hillborne. For each 
>> I ran Compass Snoqualmie Pass EL tires (44s). I had fenders on up until May 
>> - they just barely fit with the 44s! I've got a dyno which powers my front 
>> light + my phone + my wahoo GPS. For the longer distances, being able to 
>> power electronics is great. I use battery lights on the back, mostly 
>> because I haven't gotten around to wiring up a dyno rear light.
>>
>> In terms of bags, my current setup is a 10" x 10" x 8" boxy rando bag on 
>> the front from Ruthworks and a xsmall saddle sack. In the past I've used a 
>> shop sack in a wald basket with two Randi Jo bartender bags attached to the 
>> basket. That setup worked fine, but I wanted something that was easier to 
>> get into while riding. On the last 200k I rode, I tried a more minimal 
>> setup of a small Jandd frame bag + a small Sackville trunk sack, which 
>> worked well for the shorter distance. 
>>
>> The main thing I've changed is switching from mustache bars to drops. I 
>> love the mustache bars, but I was having trouble with finger numbness from 
>> pinching my ulnar nerve. Switching to drops seems to have fixed that.  
>>
>> Current setup: 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg_00Eeh8Ff/?taken-by=seanlerner
>> Basket-rando setup (minus the shopsack): 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc2Vw1HAljW/?taken-by=seanlerner
>> More minimal 200k setup: 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BjyDJyXBhKV/?taken-by=seanlerner
>>
>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:28:32 PM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>>>
>>> How many people here are active randonneurs and ride their Rivendells? 
>>>  What is your set-up? Are your priorities fenders or tire size? Do you run 
>>> battery or dynamo?  What size bag do you carry if you have one? Does 
>>> anything change from 200K to 600 or 1200K on your rig?  Pictures 
>>> appreciated (because...it's an addiction). 
>>>
>>> My Roadini is most comfortable on Jack Browns but I missed a 300K 
>>> because I didn't want to ride 12 hours in heavy rain without them. Now I 
>>> have 28s and fenders, which is fine but not the same cushion on the longer 
>>> rides (I'll survive). I have dynamo on my Cheviot and love it for 
>>> commuting, but am hesitant to invest just for 4 rides a year when batteries 
>>> work fine. Small Saddle-Sack.  I love my setup, I'm really just curious 
>>> what other people are doing with their Rivendells on Brevets. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[lambbo]

Lynne, that's a sweet ride! Why did you switch to the sweetpea? I'm 
guessing your bleriot was 650b as well?

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 3:51:32 PM UTC-4, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> I did (rando bike is now a custom Sweetpea 650b), longest ride was a 
> flèche.  Bleriot frame. 
>
> Tires varied from Nifty Swifties to Michelin Axial Raids (oh, I miss 
> those!).  Fenders still are Honjos.  Drop bars.  Front and rear racks, 
> Acorn front bag, Carradice Barley rear bag.  Topeak Morph pump.  Son 28 
> front hub, most recent light is a Supernova (as lights got better, I 
> upgraded).  The bike was also my commute bike; hence the rear rack, rather 
> than the Bagman. 
>
> Bike is currently my well over-featured around town bike, with the 
> addition of a Platrack and a Racktime camper rear rack. 
>
> Here’s a pic from when the luggage was NEW (both faded to the same color 
> now): https://flic.kr/p/62eNHc 
> 

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[lambbo]

SSL, that's great to hear about - your evolving set-up is 
interesting...having something on the front seems so handy (I've committed 
to the rear but maybe next year).  That's also smart to think of powering 
your GPS, I know lots of people stress about battery life of such an 
essential.  Thanks for the pics!SF rando seems really hardcore (so 
hilly!) and I always imagine that many of the people on here, in that area, 
ride with them.   Are you hoping to do PBP on the Hillborne?



On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:00:52 PM UTC-4, SSL wrote:
>
> This year I rode my first full series (200, 300, 400, 600) + the Fleche 
> and Dart team events with the SF Randonneurs on my Sam Hillborne. For each 
> I ran Compass Snoqualmie Pass EL tires (44s). I had fenders on up until May 
> - they just barely fit with the 44s! I've got a dyno which powers my front 
> light + my phone + my wahoo GPS. For the longer distances, being able to 
> power electronics is great. I use battery lights on the back, mostly 
> because I haven't gotten around to wiring up a dyno rear light.
>
> In terms of bags, my current setup is a 10" x 10" x 8" boxy rando bag on 
> the front from Ruthworks and a xsmall saddle sack. In the past I've used a 
> shop sack in a wald basket with two Randi Jo bartender bags attached to the 
> basket. That setup worked fine, but I wanted something that was easier to 
> get into while riding. On the last 200k I rode, I tried a more minimal 
> setup of a small Jandd frame bag + a small Sackville trunk sack, which 
> worked well for the shorter distance. 
>
> The main thing I've changed is switching from mustache bars to drops. I 
> love the mustache bars, but I was having trouble with finger numbness from 
> pinching my ulnar nerve. Switching to drops seems to have fixed that.  
>
> Current setup: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg_00Eeh8Ff/?taken-by=seanlerner
> Basket-rando setup (minus the shopsack): 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc2Vw1HAljW/?taken-by=seanlerner
> More minimal 200k setup: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BjyDJyXBhKV/?taken-by=seanlerner
>
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:28:32 PM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>>
>> How many people here are active randonneurs and ride their Rivendells? 
>>  What is your set-up? Are your priorities fenders or tire size? Do you run 
>> battery or dynamo?  What size bag do you carry if you have one? Does 
>> anything change from 200K to 600 or 1200K on your rig?  Pictures 
>> appreciated (because...it's an addiction). 
>>
>> My Roadini is most comfortable on Jack Browns but I missed a 300K because 
>> I didn't want to ride 12 hours in heavy rain without them. Now I have 28s 
>> and fenders, which is fine but not the same cushion on the longer rides 
>> (I'll survive). I have dynamo on my Cheviot and love it for commuting, but 
>> am hesitant to invest just for 4 rides a year when batteries work fine. 
>> Small Saddle-Sack.  I love my setup, I'm really just curious what other 
>> people are doing with their Rivendells on Brevets. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[SSL]

This year I rode my first full series (200, 300, 400, 600) + the Fleche and 
Dart team events with the SF Randonneurs on my Sam Hillborne. For each I 
ran Compass Snoqualmie Pass EL tires (44s). I had fenders on up until May - 
they just barely fit with the 44s! I've got a dyno which powers my front 
light + my phone + my wahoo GPS. For the longer distances, being able to 
power electronics is great. I use battery lights on the back, mostly 
because I haven't gotten around to wiring up a dyno rear light.

In terms of bags, my current setup is a 10" x 10" x 8" boxy rando bag on 
the front from Ruthworks and a xsmall saddle sack. In the past I've used a 
shop sack in a wald basket with two Randi Jo bartender bags attached to the 
basket. That setup worked fine, but I wanted something that was easier to 
get into while riding. On the last 200k I rode, I tried a more minimal 
setup of a small Jandd frame bag + a small Sackville trunk sack, which 
worked well for the shorter distance. 

The main thing I've changed is switching from mustache bars to drops. I 
love the mustache bars, but I was having trouble with finger numbness from 
pinching my ulnar nerve. Switching to drops seems to have fixed that.  

Current setup: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg_00Eeh8Ff/?taken-by=seanlerner
Basket-rando setup (minus the shopsack): 
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc2Vw1HAljW/?taken-by=seanlerner
More minimal 200k setup: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjyDJyXBhKV/?taken-by=seanlerner

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:28:32 PM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>
> How many people here are active randonneurs and ride their Rivendells? 
>  What is your set-up? Are your priorities fenders or tire size? Do you run 
> battery or dynamo?  What size bag do you carry if you have one? Does 
> anything change from 200K to 600 or 1200K on your rig?  Pictures 
> appreciated (because...it's an addiction). 
>
> My Roadini is most comfortable on Jack Browns but I missed a 300K because 
> I didn't want to ride 12 hours in heavy rain without them. Now I have 28s 
> and fenders, which is fine but not the same cushion on the longer rides 
> (I'll survive). I have dynamo on my Cheviot and love it for commuting, but 
> am hesitant to invest just for 4 rides a year when batteries work fine. 
> Small Saddle-Sack.  I love my setup, I'm really just curious what other 
> people are doing with their Rivendells on Brevets. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[Lum Gim Fong]

I did a 200k, centuries, and permanents on my Bleriot.
Ed Felker did PBP on his.
I have read of others who did Brevets on Rivendells.

Paul Donaldson(?) AKA WGR(?) World's Greatest Randonneur did brevets on his 
Sam Hillborne. Just google Worlds Greatest Randonneur and you will see the 
funny write up about his bike.

So I think comfort, reliability, and function is key. Put on it what you 
need to be comfy and cozy for any given ride.

But I have read/seen people doing brevet/s on many different types of bikes 
and violating all sorts of alleged dictums by alleged experts.
I think Clayton is right you have to ride and see what you need.

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