[RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-05-04 Thread Cyclofiend Jim 
Ha! I'd forgotten about that. Gino has been been the temporary steward of a 
lot of very interesting bikes over the years... 

J


On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:42:15 PM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>
> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-02-01 Thread Bryan Dalik 
That is a wonderful, wonderful Toyo Atlantis. What size tires? Looking to 
see what max is. I got myself a custom orange Toyo Atlantis in a 58 as well 
and being 6'2'' with a 89 PBH, I'm happy to hear it fits so well for you.

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-5 Miles wrote:

> [image: E1A443FE-8A4C-4111-B54B-B89B6697EDCF.jpeg]Another Toyo Atlantis 
> owner chiming in here, since this thread seems to be morphing into a good 
> resource. I’m 6’0 with around an 87 PBH and my 58 feels perfect as my 
> all-around gravel bike. I wouldn’t hesitate to tour it either. It might 
> look smaller fit-wise than how Grant would size it, but I think it’s the 
> perfect bike. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:22:40 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>> the moment…
>>
>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>
>>
>> My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
>> comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
>> there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
>> came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
>> between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
>> dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
>> geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
>> or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
>> vintage.)
>>
>> I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at 
>> the charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
>> squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
>> Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
>> never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
>> Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
>> fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
>> and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> “Maranatha”!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>
>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-02-01 Thread Mackenzy Albright 
Wow Miles - that may be the best looking Atlantis build I've seen. Love the 
(antelope hills?) and towel rack bars. 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 1:00:24 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Ooh!  Sorry to derail things but, Miles, what bars are those?  They look 
> great.
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:46:18 AM UTC-7 Miles wrote:
>
>> [image: E1A443FE-8A4C-4111-B54B-B89B6697EDCF.jpeg]Another Toyo Atlantis 
>> owner chiming in here, since this thread seems to be morphing into a good 
>> resource. I’m 6’0 with around an 87 PBH and my 58 feels perfect as my 
>> all-around gravel bike. I wouldn’t hesitate to tour it either. It might 
>> look smaller fit-wise than how Grant would size it, but I think it’s the 
>> perfect bike. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:22:40 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>>> the moment…
>>>
>>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>>
>>>
>>> My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
>>> comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
>>> there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
>>> came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
>>> between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
>>> dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
>>> geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
>>> or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
>>> vintage.)
>>>
>>> I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at 
>>> the charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
>>> squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
>>> Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
>>> never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
>>> Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
>>> fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
>>> and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>> “Maranatha”!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
>>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>>
>>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>>
>>> -Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>>> Atlantis?
>>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>>
>>> Thanx folks 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-02-01 Thread iamkeith 
Ooh!  Sorry to derail things but, Miles, what bars are those?  They look 
great.

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:46:18 AM UTC-7 Miles wrote:

> [image: E1A443FE-8A4C-4111-B54B-B89B6697EDCF.jpeg]Another Toyo Atlantis 
> owner chiming in here, since this thread seems to be morphing into a good 
> resource. I’m 6’0 with around an 87 PBH and my 58 feels perfect as my 
> all-around gravel bike. I wouldn’t hesitate to tour it either. It might 
> look smaller fit-wise than how Grant would size it, but I think it’s the 
> perfect bike. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:22:40 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>> the moment…
>>
>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>
>>
>> My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
>> comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
>> there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
>> came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
>> between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
>> dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
>> geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
>> or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
>> vintage.)
>>
>> I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at 
>> the charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
>> squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
>> Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
>> never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
>> Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
>> fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
>> and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> “Maranatha”!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>
>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-02-01 Thread iamkeith 


On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for the 
moment…

 I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or trade 
my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more importantly 
just to keep my wife happy
Again, Thank You So Much!


My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
vintage.)

I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at the 
charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)




 
“Maranatha”!


On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 

https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT

Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
Atlantis?
Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?

Thanx folks 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-31 Thread Joe Bernard 
'Joe, I would always bet on your Riv knowledge and memory, :) but based on 
this brochure it appears that the pointiness or roundedness of the lugs do 
not in themselves indicate a move to Waterford production."

My memory ain't what it once was, Jim. You can count on me for accurate Riv 
lore unless I forgot!

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:10:41 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> This thread has been so interesting. That red Atlantis is gorgeous. If 
> only it were the right size for me…
>
> Check out the photos of various configurations and setups in this very early 
> Atlantis brochure 
> ,
>  
> which is all about Toyo production. There are pointy lugs and non-pointy 
> lugs on the head tubes!
>
> Joe, I would always bet on your Riv knowledge and memory, :) but based on 
> this brochure it appears that the pointiness or roundedness of the lugs do 
> not in themselves indicate a move to Waterford production. 
>
> Very early Atlantis frames *lacked* braze-ons on the fork for racks, 
> which Grant extolled as a virtue (see below). How times have changed! I’ve 
> seen plenty of Atlantises with fork braze-ons, but I’m not sure when Grant 
> changed his mind about it. 
>
> “The racks cost about $120 each, but you can spend half that and still get 
> a decent rack. *Notice the front rack clamps on. Why no braze-on? Because 
> different front racks have different braze-on locations, and we didn't want 
> to rule out any front rack. The clamps work fine, and are compatible with 
> any rack.* Approximate price as shown, racks and all, about $2,600.”
>
> The brochure has a cool photo of Tetsuya lshigaki in the act of brazing. 
> Here’s a quote about Toyo:
>
> “We don't cut corners with the Atlantis. The frame has not changed 
> fundamentally since the first one in 2000. It was then and is still made in 
> a six-person custom frame shop, called Toyo, in Osaka, Japan. Toyo has been 
> hand-crafting superb, traditional bicycle frames for 30 years. It costs a 
> lot to make anything in Japan these days—particularly when it involves 
> human labor. But the quality of the Atlantis frame is superb, and the 
> price—about $1,300–is way less than you'd expect to pay for a frame this 
> good. The quality is what you'd expect out of Japan, and your Atlantis will 
> likely last the rest of your life.”
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:29:49 PM UTC-5 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>> the moment…
>>
>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>
>>
>> “Maranatha”!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>
>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>>> Atlantis?
>>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>>
>>> Thanx folks 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-31 Thread Bill Schairer 
I'm guessing saddle height is measured from center of BB to top of seat in 
that chart?  If that is the case, my bike, as pictured, is right at the 
upper limit per the sizing chart.  I measure from the pedal spindle since 
not all my bikes have the same length cranks.   I was initially a little 
concerned about it being too small but, as I've used it for some off 
pavement touring, figure the extra bit of standover isn't a bad thing at 
all.  Maybe I've just gotten used to the visual of it but it doesn't look 
too weird to me and I've had no trouble getting all the touch points where 
I want them.

A big consideration for me was the likelihood of finding a larger frame 
somewhat local in how much time. I decided the likelihood wasn't good.  No 
regrets.

Bill
San Diego

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:10:41 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> This thread has been so interesting. That red Atlantis is gorgeous. If 
> only it were the right size for me…
>
> Check out the photos of various configurations and setups in this very early 
> Atlantis brochure 
> ,
>  
> which is all about Toyo production. There are pointy lugs and non-pointy 
> lugs on the head tubes!
>
> Joe, I would always bet on your Riv knowledge and memory, :) but based on 
> this brochure it appears that the pointiness or roundedness of the lugs do 
> not in themselves indicate a move to Waterford production. 
>
> Very early Atlantis frames *lacked* braze-ons on the fork for racks, 
> which Grant extolled as a virtue (see below). How times have changed! I’ve 
> seen plenty of Atlantises with fork braze-ons, but I’m not sure when Grant 
> changed his mind about it. 
>
> “The racks cost about $120 each, but you can spend half that and still get 
> a decent rack. *Notice the front rack clamps on. Why no braze-on? Because 
> different front racks have different braze-on locations, and we didn't want 
> to rule out any front rack. The clamps work fine, and are compatible with 
> any rack.* Approximate price as shown, racks and all, about $2,600.”
>
> The brochure has a cool photo of Tetsuya lshigaki in the act of brazing. 
> Here’s a quote about Toyo:
>
> “We don't cut corners with the Atlantis. The frame has not changed 
> fundamentally since the first one in 2000. It was then and is still made in 
> a six-person custom frame shop, called Toyo, in Osaka, Japan. Toyo has been 
> hand-crafting superb, traditional bicycle frames for 30 years. It costs a 
> lot to make anything in Japan these days—particularly when it involves 
> human labor. But the quality of the Atlantis frame is superb, and the 
> price—about $1,300–is way less than you'd expect to pay for a frame this 
> good. The quality is what you'd expect out of Japan, and your Atlantis will 
> likely last the rest of your life.”
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:29:49 PM UTC-5 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>> the moment…
>>
>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>
>>
>> “Maranatha”!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>
>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>>> Atlantis?
>>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>>
>>> Thanx folks 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-31 Thread J J 
This thread has been so interesting. That red Atlantis is gorgeous. If only 
it were the right size for me…

Check out the photos of various configurations and setups in this very early 
Atlantis brochure 
,
 
which is all about Toyo production. There are pointy lugs and non-pointy 
lugs on the head tubes!

Joe, I would always bet on your Riv knowledge and memory, :) but based on 
this brochure it appears that the pointiness or roundedness of the lugs do 
not in themselves indicate a move to Waterford production. 

Very early Atlantis frames *lacked* braze-ons on the fork for racks, which 
Grant extolled as a virtue (see below). How times have changed! I’ve seen 
plenty of Atlantises with fork braze-ons, but I’m not sure when Grant 
changed his mind about it. 

“The racks cost about $120 each, but you can spend half that and still get 
a decent rack. *Notice the front rack clamps on. Why no braze-on? Because 
different front racks have different braze-on locations, and we didn't want 
to rule out any front rack. The clamps work fine, and are compatible with 
any rack.* Approximate price as shown, racks and all, about $2,600.”

The brochure has a cool photo of Tetsuya lshigaki in the act of brazing. 
Here’s a quote about Toyo:

“We don't cut corners with the Atlantis. The frame has not changed 
fundamentally since the first one in 2000. It was then and is still made in 
a six-person custom frame shop, called Toyo, in Osaka, Japan. Toyo has been 
hand-crafting superb, traditional bicycle frames for 30 years. It costs a 
lot to make anything in Japan these days—particularly when it involves 
human labor. But the quality of the Atlantis frame is superb, and the 
price—about $1,300–is way less than you'd expect to pay for a frame this 
good. The quality is what you'd expect out of Japan, and your Atlantis will 
likely last the rest of your life.”

Jim


On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:29:49 PM UTC-5 homer...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
> the moment…
>
>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or trade 
> my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more importantly 
> just to keep my wife happy
> Again, Thank You So Much!
>
>
> “Maranatha”!
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>
>
> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>
> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-31 Thread Greg 
Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for the 
moment…

 I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or trade my 
Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more importantly just to 
keep my wife happy
Again, Thank You So Much!


“Maranatha”!


> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino Zahnd, 
> as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
> 
> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
> 
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
> 
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>> 
>> Thanx folks 
>> 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
> 
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[RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-31 Thread Jeremy Till 
I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino Zahnd, 
as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 

https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT

Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:

> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
> Atlantis?
> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>
> Thanx folks 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-31 Thread Joe Bernard 
I'll defer to the others about sizing, I think they've nailed it (and the 
listing now calls it a 58). 

Once again my murky memory has failed me. That Waterford has the same 
pointy head lugs as the red Toyo, somewhere along the line they got rounded 
off but it must have been later at Waterford. 

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:05:57 AM UTC-8 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I purchased my Atlantis used in 2017.  It was advertised as a 58.  I 
> measure it at about 57 c-c or 58 c-t.  Per the serial number, I believe the 
> bike is a 2013 Waterford.  I am 6' also, have never figured my attempts at 
> measuring pbh were too accurate but I think in your ballpark.  My more 
> traditional horizontal, steel frames range from 59 (I feel a tad small) to 
> 63 (a tad large).  I try to set my seat from pedal spindle to top of seat 
> at about 37".  I've put just shy of 13,000 miles on my Atlantis and am very 
> happy with it.  I'd definitely take an in person look at that bike.  I 
> drove from San Diego to Pasadena to get mine, not something I would 
> ordinarily do.
>
> As to the issue of lugs, I am no expert at all but I can't really tell the 
> difference between mine and the one under consideration.
>
> Bill
> San Diego
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-01-31 at 8.01.40 AM.png]
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Joe, obviously I recognize your name in reference to anything 
>> Atlantis on the Internet
>> Before I drive up and look at this bike though I’m wondering if I’m 6’ 
>> (89 PBH) will a 57 Atlantis fit me… I have a 60 Homer that fits me good 
>> with albatross bars… but strangely I have a Koga Miyata world traveler 57 
>> there’s my most comfortable bike of all time… Confused樂
>>
>> Do you think Rivendell 57 is smaller than the regular 57?
>>
>> Appreciate you!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Update: My sense of the passage of time is a little murky these 
>> days..it's 2023?? I think the Toyo pointy-lug Atlantis may have been around 
>> 'til about 2010. Somewhere in that decade or shortly after the lugs got 
>> round, then construction moved to Waterford. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 10:23:14 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Early 2000s based on the pointy head lugs and it's a Toyo. Probably 
>>> ordered with a custom color from D+D Painting, that's a nice bike. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
 Atlantis?
 Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?

 Thanx folks 


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-31 Thread Greg 
Thank you Joe, obviously I recognize your name in reference to anything 
Atlantis on the Internet
Before I drive up and look at this bike though I’m wondering if I’m 6’ (89 PBH) 
will a 57 Atlantis fit me… I have a 60 Homer that fits me good with albatross 
bars… but strangely I have a Koga Miyata world traveler 57 there’s my most 
comfortable bike of all time… Confused樂

Do you think Rivendell 57 is smaller than the regular 57?

Appreciate you!


> On Jan 30, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Update: My sense of the passage of time is a little murky these days..it's 
> 2023?? I think the Toyo pointy-lug Atlantis may have been around 'til about 
> 2010. Somewhere in that decade or shortly after the lugs got round, then 
> construction moved to Waterford. 
> 
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 10:23:14 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Early 2000s based on the pointy head lugs and it's a Toyo. Probably ordered 
>> with a custom color from D+D Painting, that's a nice bike. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>>> Atlantis?
>>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>> 
>>> Thanx folks 
>>> 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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[RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-30 Thread Joe Bernard 
Update: My sense of the passage of time is a little murky these days..it's 
2023?? I think the Toyo pointy-lug Atlantis may have been around 'til about 
2010. Somewhere in that decade or shortly after the lugs got round, then 
construction moved to Waterford. 

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 10:23:14 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Early 2000s based on the pointy head lugs and it's a Toyo. Probably 
> ordered with a custom color from D+D Painting, that's a nice bike. 
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

2023-01-30 Thread Joe Bernard 
Early 2000s based on the pointy head lugs and it's a Toyo. Probably ordered 
with a custom color from D+D Painting, that's a nice bike. 

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:

> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
> Atlantis?
> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>
> Thanx folks 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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