Re: [RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-11 Thread Eric Platt 
Philip and Ron - thanks.  It was fun.  But to the point, you are correct,
Philip that best doesn't always mean most expensive.  However, in guitars,
especially acoustic, there is often a direct correlation.

For me, it's also that way with bikes.  Rivendell bikes are probably as
expensive as I'll ever ride.  Love looking at custom bikes, but have never
had much of an itch to order one.

Ron - that's a great story. Totally jealous.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Congratulations on the performance! That's cool.
> Semantic nit: I did say "best," not "most expensive." A tool you can't use
> isn't really a tool anymore, right? Maybe it's a collectible, or an
> artifact, but it seems more like a burden.
>
> I'm not going to live my life in fear of losing something good, but I
> don't buy "interesting" cars anymore, either. I know I'm a bad steward of
> automobiles, and won't budget to take care of them.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Monday, August 11, 2014 3:54:43 AM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
>> And I'll always take a different approach.  Buy the most expensive tool
>> you can afford to lose and/or break without dire consequences.  If one of
>> my present guitars were to be destroyed, I'd feel bad, but move on.
>>  However, if I had, say, a 1950's or earlier Martin D that was destroyed,
>> well, so would I.  Because in that case, I don't see it as owning an
>> instrument.  Then it's something I'm taking care of until the next
>> generation.
>>
>> But that's me.  Who just got back from a festival where for the first
>> time was a performer instead of just sitting out in the woods jamming with
>> friends.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Philip Williamson <
>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This fits with my longstanding philosophy: buy the best tools you can
>>> afford. Tools include art materials, musical instruments, pots and pans.
>>> Bicycles. Actual tools. Espresso machines.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-11 Thread Philip Williamson 
Congratulations on the performance! That's cool. 
Semantic nit: I did say "best," not "most expensive." A tool you can't use 
isn't really a tool anymore, right? Maybe it's a collectible, or an 
artifact, but it seems more like a burden. 

I'm not going to live my life in fear of losing something good, but I don't 
buy "interesting" cars anymore, either. I know I'm a bad steward of 
automobiles, and won't budget to take care of them. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, August 11, 2014 3:54:43 AM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> And I'll always take a different approach.  Buy the most expensive tool 
> you can afford to lose and/or break without dire consequences.  If one of 
> my present guitars were to be destroyed, I'd feel bad, but move on. 
>  However, if I had, say, a 1950's or earlier Martin D that was destroyed, 
> well, so would I.  Because in that case, I don't see it as owning an 
> instrument.  Then it's something I'm taking care of until the next 
> generation.  
>
> But that's me.  Who just got back from a festival where for the first time 
> was a performer instead of just sitting out in the woods jamming with 
> friends.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> This fits with my longstanding philosophy: buy the best tools you can 
>> afford. Tools include art materials, musical instruments, pots and pans. 
>> Bicycles. Actual tools. Espresso machines.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-11 Thread Ron Mc 
that's certainly an experience.  My best fishing experiences have been 
fishing for the camera, filming a Trout Unlimited episode in my s. Texas 
tailwater, and My endemic hill country bass for an episode of KT Diaries. 
 I was fishing two prewar cane rods for TU, and a cane rod built by a 
friend for KT, and KT himself was fishing one of my venerable glass rods 
from the 70s with a nice Hardy reel.  What made it so great was these guys 
are just like me - we all turn into kids when we fish, and that's what make 
us infectious.  




On Monday, August 11, 2014 5:54:43 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote:
>
> And I'll always take a different approach.  Buy the most expensive tool 
> you can afford to lose and/or break without dire consequences.  If one of 
> my present guitars were to be destroyed, I'd feel bad, but move on. 
>  However, if I had, say, a 1950's or earlier Martin D that was destroyed, 
> well, so would I.  Because in that case, I don't see it as owning an 
> instrument.  Then it's something I'm taking care of until the next 
> generation.  
>
> But that's me.  Who just got back from a festival where for the first time 
> was a performer instead of just sitting out in the woods jamming with 
> friends.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> This fits with my longstanding philosophy: buy the best tools you can 
>> afford. Tools include art materials, musical instruments, pots and pans. 
>> Bicycles. Actual tools. Espresso machines.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-11 Thread Eric Platt 
And I'll always take a different approach.  Buy the most expensive tool you
can afford to lose and/or break without dire consequences.  If one of my
present guitars were to be destroyed, I'd feel bad, but move on.  However,
if I had, say, a 1950's or earlier Martin D that was destroyed, well, so
would I.  Because in that case, I don't see it as owning an instrument.
 Then it's something I'm taking care of until the next generation.

But that's me.  Who just got back from a festival where for the first time
was a performer instead of just sitting out in the woods jamming with
friends.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This fits with my longstanding philosophy: buy the best tools you can
> afford. Tools include art materials, musical instruments, pots and pans.
> Bicycles. Actual tools. Espresso machines.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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[RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-10 Thread Philip Williamson 
This fits with my longstanding philosophy: buy the best tools you can afford. 
Tools include art materials, musical instruments, pots and pans. Bicycles. 
Actual tools. Espresso machines. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-10 Thread Deacon Patrick 
Quite a powerful way to assess things, though with a more generous approach 
than want v. need. I can't see a single thing in our home that is not 
experiential. IT all has use and we've given away everything that doesn't. 
Life is much simpler that way.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:50:16 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1057740814000631  
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/08/actually-some-material-goods-can-make-you-happy/375280/
>  
>  
>
> Quoted from a friend who collects and catalogs Paul H. Young bamboo fly 
> rods, but it must apply to bicycles and kayaks, too...
>
> It's often said, "Spend your money on experiences, not objects." 
>> Experiences continually enrich our lives, while an overabundance of 
>> material things weighs us down with cares, and cannot give us the 
>> satisfaction we seek. Now a pair of psychologists, Darwin A. Guevarra and 
>> Ryan T. Howell, argue that the "experience recommendation" is overly 
>> dependent upon a strictly dichotomous comparison of material items and life 
>> experiences. When consumption motives are examined in a broader context 
>> that includes "experiential products," - purchases that fall between 
>> material items and life experiences - the acquisition of experiential 
>> products provides similar levels of well-being to life experiences, and 
>> more well-being than material items.  
>
>  
>> The researchers explain that material items are purchased "in order to 
>> have" while experiential purchases are made "in order to do." Experiential 
>> purchases - like a certain Paul H. Young Para 15 Keller DeLuxe I could 
>> mention - are useful in helping to satisfy the psychological needs of 
>> competence (mastering fly casting), autonomy (getting out on the stream, 
>> identifying some mayfly species, tying on the right dry fly and catching 
>> the trout), and relatedness (going fishing with a buddy, or discussing the 
>> experience later at a club meeting or even on this Forum). And let's face 
>> it - if you don't have competence, autonomy, and relatedness, what do you 
>> have? And don't forget you're going to need a nice reel to go with that rod 
>> too.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-10 Thread Garth 

All too easily we can forget that the experience is all that really matters 
, all the objects are and were but the means :)  

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[RBW] Re: Redemption

2014-08-10 Thread Pondero 
When I sometimes wonder if I'm TOO attached to my bicycle object, I think 
similar thoughts.  And then I add that it helps the experience if the 
object is pretty.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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