Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[iamkeith]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I'm sorry but I must have missed it (I did read the thread again).  What is 
the frame size?

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 11:10:14 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> It does have vertical drops, and will soon have an unstuck stem. 
>
> –Eric N 
>
>
> > On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:40 PM, iamkeith  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Yes, but Eric's appears to have vertical dropouts!  (Unlike the one 
> currently on ebay, that's closer to my size but $1,000 more and not built 
> as nicely.)  If this one was my size, nothing in the world could keep me 
> from un-stucking that stem, at this price.  I can't believe nobody's bought 
> yet, and can't help but think that it doesn't bode well for the Roadini 
> project.  I hope I'm wrong and do understand that "new" has its appeal, but 
> this is a pretty special bike for someone who wants a go-fast. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Eric Norris]

It does have vertical drops, and will soon have an unstuck stem. 

–Eric N


> On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:40 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but Eric's appears to have vertical dropouts!  (Unlike the one currently 
> on ebay, that's closer to my size but $1,000 more and not built as nicely.)  
> If this one was my size, nothing in the world could keep me from un-stucking 
> that stem, at this price.  I can't believe nobody's bought yet, and can't 
> help but think that it doesn't bode well for the Roadini project.  I hope I'm 
> wrong and do understand that "new" has its appeal, but this is a pretty 
> special bike for someone who wants a go-fast.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[iamkeith]

Yes, but Eric's appears to have vertical dropouts!  (Unlike the one currently 
on ebay, that's closer to my size but $1,000 more and not built as nicely.)  If 
this one was my size, nothing in the world could keep me from un-stucking that 
stem, at this price.  I can't believe nobody's bought yet, and can't help but 
think that it doesn't bode well for the Roadini project.  I hope I'm wrong and 
do understand that "new" has its appeal, but this is a pretty special bike for 
someone who wants a go-fast.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Jim Bronson]

Ok, I just remembered the one thing I don't like about the Road Standard:
 the horizontal-ish dropouts.  Minor quibble though.

-Jim

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Jim Bronson <jim.bron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a 68cm which I think is either a Road Standard or a Custom, either
> way, it conforms to Bruce's description...does downhill corners like it's
> on rails.  It's a joy to ride, and especially to bomb downhills with,
> practically begs to go faster. (disclaimer:  do so at your own risk)  Takes
> a load but isn't ideal for it.
>
> I have ridden it somewhere north of 20,000 miles (14,610 in completed,
> documented RUSA rides alone), still my favorite in the stable and the one
> that gets 95% of all usage.  Maybe 30,000 or 40,000, who knows, I am not
> that religious about documenting mileage.
>
> The only thing that would get it less mileage would be if I got a purpose
> built 650B frame, which I have considered from time to time.  I have also
> thought though of just dimpling the chainstays for 42mm tires (since it
> needs a respray anyway), getting a custom low to mid trail fork and rolling
> on with it.
>
> Decisions, decisions :)
> I worry about ruining the essence of the bike by modifying it, which is
> why I've left it alone so far.
>
> -Jim
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Bruce <bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The road is a livelier frame (reynolds 753 w/531 forks)  with quicker
>> steering than the Ram (Mix of Japanese HT and non HT tubes)  that rides
>> like it's on rails around downhill curves. Both will carry a rear rack, but
>> the road is not intended for weight and the Ram is. I use it when I need a
>> rack and cargo space. If I could only keep one, it would be the Road, which
>> is an absolute joy to ride. I did decide between the Ram and the Saluki,
>> which I sold. Not enough difference, and Ram rides better, even though it
>> can't go as fat on the tires.
>> Was this any help?
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* RichS <rshannon6...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:54 PM
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS
>>
>> Hi Bruce. Overlap among Riv models has been discussed lately so I'm
>> curious how much overlap there is between your Ram and the Road Std.? If I
>> had to guess I would say the Ram might have a little more carrying
>> capacity. Many thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> The Road is an excellent long distance ride. I rode mine on yesterday's
>> local RUSA event and it was great all day. Smooth on the rough stuff,
>> climbs well, handles great. If you think about what a new frame only with
>> nice lugs and paint will cost, Eric's bike is a steal.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Jim Bronson]

I have a 68cm which I think is either a Road Standard or a Custom, either
way, it conforms to Bruce's description...does downhill corners like it's
on rails.  It's a joy to ride, and especially to bomb downhills with,
practically begs to go faster. (disclaimer:  do so at your own risk)  Takes
a load but isn't ideal for it.

I have ridden it somewhere north of 20,000 miles (14,610 in completed,
documented RUSA rides alone), still my favorite in the stable and the one
that gets 95% of all usage.  Maybe 30,000 or 40,000, who knows, I am not
that religious about documenting mileage.

The only thing that would get it less mileage would be if I got a purpose
built 650B frame, which I have considered from time to time.  I have also
thought though of just dimpling the chainstays for 42mm tires (since it
needs a respray anyway), getting a custom low to mid trail fork and rolling
on with it.

Decisions, decisions :)
I worry about ruining the essence of the bike by modifying it, which is why
I've left it alone so far.

-Jim

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Bruce <bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The road is a livelier frame (reynolds 753 w/531 forks)  with quicker
> steering than the Ram (Mix of Japanese HT and non HT tubes)  that rides
> like it's on rails around downhill curves. Both will carry a rear rack, but
> the road is not intended for weight and the Ram is. I use it when I need a
> rack and cargo space. If I could only keep one, it would be the Road, which
> is an absolute joy to ride. I did decide between the Ram and the Saluki,
> which I sold. Not enough difference, and Ram rides better, even though it
> can't go as fat on the tires.
> Was this any help?
>
>
> --
> *From:* RichS <rshannon6...@gmail.com>
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:54 PM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS
>
> Hi Bruce. Overlap among Riv models has been discussed lately so I'm
> curious how much overlap there is between your Ram and the Road Std.? If I
> had to guess I would say the Ram might have a little more carrying
> capacity. Many thanks for the feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> The Road is an excellent long distance ride. I rode mine on yesterday's
> local RUSA event and it was great all day. Smooth on the rough stuff,
> climbs well, handles great. If you think about what a new frame only with
> nice lugs and paint will cost, Eric's bike is a steal.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Ryan Fleming]

That's good to know and  no offense meant

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:32:04 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Any good bike shop can remove a stem—the last time I paid for such a 
> procedure, it cost me about $60.
>
> I simply don’t have the time to get it to a shop to have this done. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
> Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
> deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. 
> I guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you 
> do for a stuck stem?
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
>>
>> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some 
>> persuasion' and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that 
>> mean?  Does that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  
>> Does that mean that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but 
>> you decided not to bother for now?  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
>>> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>>>
>>> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer 
>>> and I’ll probably take it.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[George Schick]

I've had this happen before.  I removed the front wheel and brake and bars. 
 Turned it upside down and shot some PB Blaster into the steering tube and 
let it sit for quite a while.  Turned it back over and loosened the headset 
lock nut and shot some more around the area where the adjustable nut meets 
the stem and let it sit.  Loosened the stem bolt and removed it and shot 
some more into the hole.  Replaced the stem bolt with about 1/4" still 
showing above the top of the stem and let it sit.  Then, supporting the 
frame, begin to tap on the stem bolt.  If no success after 5-10 minutes, 
repeat the entire process and eventually the penetrating oil will work it's 
way in between the steering tube and the stem and between the wedge at the 
bottom.

If the stem has been inserted into the steering tube so far that the wedge 
is jammed into the tapered part (the butted section) this may be more 
difficult.  The frame may have to be turned upside down and a drift punch 
or piece of rebar inserted into the steering tube hole at the fork crown 
and tapped with a hammer to loosen.  If all else fails I expect that 
mechanical methods would be required to get it out of there with variable 
results and risk of damaging something.

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:15:00 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
> deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. 
> I guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you 
> do for a stuck stem?
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
>>
>> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some 
>> persuasion' and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that 
>> mean?  Does that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  
>> Does that mean that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but 
>> you decided not to bother for now?  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
>>> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>>>
>>> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer 
>>> and I’ll probably take it.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Eric Norris]

Any good bike shop can remove a stem—the last time I paid for such a procedure, 
it cost me about $60.

I simply don’t have the time to get it to a shop to have this done. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Ryan Fleming  
> wrote:
> 
> Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
> deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. I 
> guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you do 
> for a stuck stem?
> 
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Hi Eric
> 
> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
> 
> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some persuasion' 
> and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that mean?  Does 
> that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  Does that mean 
> that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but you decided not to 
> bother for now?  
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home for 
> this very pretty Rivendell:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>  
> 
> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
> I’ll probably take it.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com <>
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
> 
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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Ryan Fleming]

Which, if the stem can't be removed could impact the price and/or be a 
deal-breaker for some. Awfully nice bike  but too bad about the stuck stem. 
I guess there are drastic ways to remove it...penetrating oil? What do you 
do for a stuck stem?

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Hi Eric
>
> What's your saddle height in the photos?  
>
> Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some 
> persuasion' and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that 
> mean?  Does that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  
> Does that mean that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but 
> you decided not to bother for now?  
>
> Bill
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
>> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>>
>> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
>> I’ll probably take it.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[R Shannon]

Bruce, many thanks for the feedback. As I suspected the Ram is a bit more
stout. There was a RivReader piece from years ago when Henry Kingman was
riding a Ram prototype set up for light touring. I believe he was going on
a week long tour. Full camping gear; beautifully packed!

Thanks again,
Richard (who sometimes thinks about owning a Ram)

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Bruce <bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The road is a livelier frame (reynolds 753 w/531 forks)  with quicker
> steering than the Ram (Mix of Japanese HT and non HT tubes)  that rides
> like it's on rails around downhill curves. Both will carry a rear rack, but
> the road is not intended for weight and the Ram is. I use it when I need a
> rack and cargo space. If I could only keep one, it would be the Road, which
> is an absolute joy to ride. I did decide between the Ram and the Saluki,
> which I sold. Not enough difference, and Ram rides better, even though it
> can't go as fat on the tires.
> Was this any help?
>
>
> --
> *From:* RichS <rshannon6...@gmail.com>
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:54 PM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS
>
> Hi Bruce. Overlap among Riv models has been discussed lately so I'm
> curious how much overlap there is between your Ram and the Road Std.? If I
> had to guess I would say the Ram might have a little more carrying
> capacity. Many thanks for the feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> The Road is an excellent long distance ride. I rode mine on yesterday's
> local RUSA event and it was great all day. Smooth on the rough stuff,
> climbs well, handles great. If you think about what a new frame only with
> nice lugs and paint will cost, Eric's bike is a steal.
>
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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Bill Lindsay]

Hi Eric

What's your saddle height in the photos?  

Regarding the stuck stem, you indicated that it will take 'some persuasion' 
and that you've taken it to the shop.  What exactly does that mean?  Does 
that mean a shop worked on it for a long time and gave up?  Does that mean 
that the shop inspected it and said "yeah it's stuck" but you decided not 
to bother for now?  

Bill

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>
> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
> I’ll probably take it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Bruce]

The road is a livelier frame (reynolds 753 w/531 forks)  with quicker steering 
than the Ram (Mix of Japanese HT and non HT tubes)  that rides like it's on 
rails around downhill curves. Both will carry a rear rack, but the road is not 
intended for weight and the Ram is. I use it when I need a rack and cargo 
space. If I could only keep one, it would be the Road, which is an absolute joy 
to ride. I did decide between the Ram and the Saluki, which I sold. Not enough 
difference, and Ram rides better, even though it can't go as fat on the 
tires.Was this any help?

  From: RichS <rshannon6...@gmail.com>
 To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:54 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS
   
Hi Bruce. Overlap among Riv models has been discussed lately so I'm curious how 
much overlap there is between your Ram and the Road Std.? If I had to guess I 
would say the Ram might have a little more carrying capacity. Many thanks for 
the feedback.
Regards,Richard 
On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
The Road is an excellent long distance ride. I rode mine on yesterday's local 
RUSA event and it was great all day. Smooth on the rough stuff, climbs well, 
handles great. If you think about what a new frame only with nice lugs and 
paint will cost, Eric's bike is a steal.
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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[RichS]

Hi Bruce. Overlap among Riv models has been discussed lately so I'm curious 
how much overlap there is between your Ram and the Road Std.? If I had to 
guess I would say the Ram might have a little more carrying capacity. Many 
thanks for the feedback.

Regards,
Richard 

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> The Road is an excellent long distance ride. I rode mine on yesterday's 
> local RUSA event and it was great all day. Smooth on the rough stuff, 
> climbs well, handles great. If you think about what a new frame only with 
> nice lugs and paint will cost, Eric's bike is a steal.

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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[JohnS]

I use to own a Volvo 240, nice and boxy.

JohnS


On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:45:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>
> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
> I’ll probably take it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[John G.]

That's a fantastic bike. If it was my size, I'd bite.

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:45:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>
> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
> I’ll probably take it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
>

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