Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Corwin! Yes, I had a different rack on the Betty, but my point was that I used to have a front rack and it must not have bothered me, so what’s different about the basket rack? I do think the basket rack causes the bars to swing more.  I’ve decided to put it on the purple bike for now, and if I can’t stand the wheel flop or the awkwardness it bestows on the front end, then I’ll pull it. The dyno wires complicate matters and make me handwring. If it weren’t for that, I could merrily go about with my rack experimenting. Maybe I’ll hold off on my dyno until I know for sure.It’s good to hear a favorable review - I haven’t come across many for this rack.LOn Mar 22, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Corwin Zechar  wrote:Hi Leah -Sorry to be late to the party. I did get the Nitto 52f Basket Rack. In fact, I bought two. One is mounted on my Hubbuhubbuh. I have a Wald Racer basket zip tied to the rack. The other is mounted on the Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh. I really love the rack. It swallows massive loads without complaint. I also have a the cargo nets which I use to secure any load I put in the basket rack.I was somewhat confused looking at your post, since the Nitto 52f is not the rack mounted to your Betty Foy as shown in the photo.I do not have much of a problem with wheel flop. But this could be because I do not have a kick stand on my Hubbuhubbuh and I never used the kick stand on the Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh. I do not find kick stands helpful and do not mount them on any of my bikes.Hope this helps,Regards,CorwinOn Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:52:53 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. Anyone else?I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my dog carrying days seen here: I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog along because he was such a nag. Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.LeahOn Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band back on :). For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:Hi Leah,Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo Orange steering damper.However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZThe steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on your front brake lever first as a parking brake:https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwEMichaelOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:@Tom,Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  Kim Hetzel.On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 

Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Leah -

Sorry to be late to the party. I did get the Nitto 52f Basket Rack. In 
fact, I bought two. One is mounted on my Hubbuhubbuh. I have a Wald Racer 
basket zip tied to the rack. The other is mounted on the Cunningham 
Hubbuhubbuh. I really love the rack. It swallows massive loads without 
complaint. I also have a the cargo nets which I use to secure any load I 
put in the basket rack.

I was somewhat confused looking at your post, since the Nitto 52f is not 
the rack mounted to your Betty Foy as shown in the photo.

I do not have much of a problem with wheel flop. But this could be because 
I do not have a kick stand on my Hubbuhubbuh and I never used the kick 
stand on the Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh. I do not find kick stands helpful and 
do not mount them on any of my bikes.

Hope this helps,

Regards,


Corwin
On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:52:53 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
 few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
 anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
 problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even 
 offered 
 to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
 has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
 beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd 
 recommend 
 it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 

Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[ian m]

Maybe it will lessen your dyno wiring worries but depending on the light 
you're running it's really easy to DIY a solution. The Busch and Muller 
wires are just like speaker wires and you can splice them together with 
very little effort. The wiring and connectors are available from a few 
spots like Analog Cycles and you just need to crimp a connector onto a 
wire. No soldering needed, I don't know how to either. Then you have a 
quick disconnect and when you decide you have an end result you're happy 
with you can put a heat shrink tube over the connection and hit it with a 
lighter to weatherproof the connection. Easy Peasy, really

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
 few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
 anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
 problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even 
 offered 
 to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
 has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
 beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd 
 recommend 
 it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
 good.


 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Johnny Alien]

More dog photos please.

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
 few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
 anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
 problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even 
 offered 
 to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
 has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
 beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd 
 recommend 
 it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
 good.


 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>
> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think 
> it looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy 
> and 
> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build 
> for 
> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as 

[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Bill Lindsay]

The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off my 
pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
back on :). 

For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
"steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  

I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
> Orange steering damper.
>
> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the 
> downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>
> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>
> Michael
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Tom,
>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>
>>> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
>>> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
>>> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
>>> problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
>>> to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
>>> has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
>>> beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
>>> it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
>>> good.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,

 I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
 looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
 made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
 my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
 putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
 and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
 Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
 smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
 would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
 that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
 rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be 
 an 
 easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 

 I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
 similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
 opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
 their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
 Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
 their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 

 Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
 waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
 on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
 Leah

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Tom Horton]

I think band on brake levers are just so yr bike won t roll  not to stop flopI ve also used a few kinds of steering dampers incl velo orange  they do helpBut not so well as steer stopperPeter white has something too but as i recall it s specific to a frame he sellsSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 11, 2024, at 7:01 PM, John Bokman  wrote:Yeah, but surely this isn't going to solve the problem of the front wheel flopping? Seems like the Steerstopper does solve a legitimate problem. I have no doubt that there are others (maybe less expensive). but how is a rubber band around a brake lever going to stop the wheel from flopping when on a workstand, for example? Or when packing panniers? Or when loading the bike onto a bike rack? Etc.Respectfully,JohnPortland, OROn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:Hi Leah,Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo Orange steering damper.However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZThe steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on your front brake lever first as a parking brake:https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwEMichaelOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:@Tom,Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  Kim Hetzel.On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all good.On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi Friends,I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!Leah



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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[John Bokman]

Yeah, but surely this isn't going to solve the problem of the front wheel 
flopping? Seems like the Steerstopper does solve a legitimate problem. I 
have no doubt that there are others (maybe less expensive). but how is a 
rubber band around a brake lever going to stop the wheel from flopping when 
on a workstand, for example? Or when packing panniers? Or when loading the 
bike onto a bike rack? Etc.

Respectfully,
John
Portland, OR
On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
> Orange steering damper.
>
> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the 
> downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>
> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>
> Michael
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Tom,
>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>
>>> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
>>> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
>>> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
>>> problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
>>> to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
>>> has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
>>> beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
>>> it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
>>> good.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,

 I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
 looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
 made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
 my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
 putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
 and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
 Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
 smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
 would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
 that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
 rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be 
 an 
 easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 

 I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
 similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
 opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
 their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
 Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
 their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 

 Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
 waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
 on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi Leah,

Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
Orange steering damper.

However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the 
downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ

The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE

Michael
On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Tom,
> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>
>> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
>> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
>> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
>> problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
>> to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
>> has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
>> beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
>> it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
>> good.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>>>
>>> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
>>> looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
>>> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
>>> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
>>> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
>>> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
>>> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
>>> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
>>> would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
>>> that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
>>> rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an 
>>> easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 
>>>
>>> I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
>>> similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
>>> opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
>>> their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
>>> Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
>>> their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
>>> waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
>>> on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Kim H.]

@Tom,
Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  

Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:

> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
> problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
> to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
> has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
> beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
> it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
> good.
>
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>>
>> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
>> looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
>> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
>> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
>> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
>> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
>> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
>> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
>> would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
>> that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
>> rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an 
>> easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 
>>
>> I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
>> similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
>> opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
>> their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
>> Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
>> their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 
>>
>> Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
>> waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
>> on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Tom Horton]

kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a few 
years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
good.


On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>
> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
> looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
> would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
> that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
> rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an 
> easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 
>
> I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
> similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
> opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
> their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
> Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
> their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 
>
> Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
> waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
> on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

You asked:  " Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? 
Maybe the smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this 
rack?"

The 650B wheel have a minimal effect on Wheel Flop, since the wider tire 
results in a tire radius close to a 700C x 32 tire (650x48 radius = 344mm 
vs a 700C x 32 radius = 347mm).   Using Jim Youngs on line trial/flop 
calculator Bicycle Trail Calculator | yojimg.net 
 with the following frame 
geometries from RBW for a 50cm Platy with 650B wheels:
HTA,  69.5°, from RBW geo charts
Fork Rake,   assumed to be 55mm.   RBW does NOT publish fork rake and the 
55mm is from a 50 Cheviot with 650B wheels.
Wheel/Tire,   assumed to be 650B x 48,  RBW states 50mm as the largest tire.

Trial and Flop are solely determined by Wheel Radius, HTA, and fork rake:

Flop = Trail x sin(HTA) x cos (HTA), and Trial = (Wheel Radius x 
cos(HTA) - Fork Rake) / sin (HTA)

Here are the results for a 650x48 and a 700x32 tire for the 69.5° HTA and 
55mm Rake
   650x48   700x32
Trail 70mm  71mm   No surprise, RBW models are 
known to have high trail, due to slack HTA and a nominal 2" fork rake
Flop 23mm  23mm   High Flop is direct result of the 
high trial

So the Trail and Flop are essentially the same for a 650x48 and a 700x32. 

If you use 650x42, Trial and Flop are slightly reduced
Trail = 68mm   &Flop = 22mm

Frame weight or bike weight does not affect trail or flop per the above 
equations.  Your lighter custom will handle the same with the basket as 
your other Platy.IF you reduce the weight carried in the basket, you 
will notice less side to side motion at low speeds, due to the downward 
force produced by the lower weight (mass). 

I hope this helps

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>
> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
> looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
> would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
> that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
> rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an 
> easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 
>
> I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
> similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
> opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
> their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
> Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
> their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 
>
> Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
> waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
> on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
> Leah
>

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