Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
That's not quite topic drift so much as skidding a thread sideways into the grave. Philip www.biketinker.com On Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:00:23 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/17/2013 05:41 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: Moving on: one huge problem afflicting the Northern army was McClellan, who had delusions of grandeur combined with a fear of fighting. Anecdote: Lincoln and friend Ozias Hatch were on a bluff overlooking the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln leaned over and whispered, Hatch: What is that!? Hatch: Why, Mr. Lincoln, it's the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln (in a loud voice): No, Hatch, no! That is General McClellan's bodyguard! Another: If General McClellan isn't using the army, I'd like to borrow it. In my opinion McClellan did not want to win and was little more than a Copperhead in uniform. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
Hi David, The link clicking on today's installment really shows the blogger's colors. He apparently believes there should be criminal prosecution when a motorist has a wreck with a cyclist. There is no criminal prosecution when a motorist kills another motorist - by accident, by definition - unless the offending motorist happens to be in the process of a felony or DUI. Otherwise, it's strictly a civil matter, for which we have a system in place, and employ 90% of the world's attorneys. The guy is me--me-me-rabid. Clearly, no other points of view exist for him. Regards On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:18:12 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer Historically accurate fop chariot. If you haven't read it, Monday's installment was perfect BTW: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/11/shafted-again.html He does use some earthy language. On 11/16/13, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com javascript: wrote: On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. IMHO words and phrases like fop chariot and reenactment embody putrefaction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
EXTREME topics drift! I know, right? McClellan coming up in a Gettysburg reference?! LMFAO! McClellan was long gone by the time Gettysburg was being fought. LOLOLOL!!! On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:39:56 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: That's not quite topic drift so much as skidding a thread sideways into the grave. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
actually, he was campaigning for president then. On Monday, November 18, 2013 10:20:12 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: EXTREME topics drift! I know, right? McClellan coming up in a Gettysburg reference?! LMFAO! McClellan was long gone by the time Gettysburg was being fought. LOLOLOL!!! On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:39:56 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: That's not quite topic drift so much as skidding a thread sideways into the grave. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
he was already campaigning in july of '63? tell me more -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
this is the last forum I expected to become the Bullwinkle Show. On Monday, November 18, 2013 11:15:21 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: he was already campaigning in july of '63? tell me more -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
He has a specific perspective he's coming from. This is a regular topic for him, and a lot of time it's the absence of any investigation or even a citation from NYPD for the driver. On Monday, November 18, 2013 5:15:04 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Hi David, The link clicking on today's installment really shows the blogger's colors. He apparently believes there should be criminal prosecution when a motorist has a wreck with a cyclist. There is no criminal prosecution when a motorist kills another motorist - by accident, by definition - unless the offending motorist happens to be in the process of a felony or DUI. Otherwise, it's strictly a civil matter, for which we have a system in place, and employ 90% of the world's attorneys. The guy is me--me-me-rabid. Clearly, no other points of view exist for him. Regards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
Right on target Ron. ~Hughworks on keeping his ego in check, and can't really contribute to such nonsense Smitham On Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:21:02 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: sarcasm never comes across right on the internet - also, if you love somebody, no sarcasm - it transliterates as putrefying thought, and that is what it does. On Friday, November 15, 2013 4:54:55 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Hey, I missed this one. How do you dremel a Longboard into a Bluemel? Anyone who takes cutting tools to bicycle stuff is my friend! It is interesting that BS's sarcasm seems to be spread with a pretty even hand, in a full 360 degrees, too. Patrick must search my trash folder for this one -- no, I'm not being snippy Moore, who thinks the occasional metaphorical and emotional face slap is good for the soul. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM, OS125 cbar...@ase.tufts.edu wrote: Anton Tutter wrote: I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before. BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, Small group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended audience. He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their onbsessiveness. In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the intertwined communities). If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of company, including a few from this list. Anton goes on to write: The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re- enacting a set of Bluemels. Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45. One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the Kool-Aid.” The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it with him or her. Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this topic: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the tip of the spear as it prods me. Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote: How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender by dremeling now appropriate? Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and neither would I care to. It is written for a few people, nobody's attention is solicited, nobody has to subscribe, and it's not as if it so important that I would post it to an internet forum in order to stir up a fuss. And I completely agree with your comments
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
On 11/17/2013 02:17 AM, Philip Williamson wrote: Hey! No name calling. Yes, as used here -- the legacy of BSNYC and Richard Sachs -- re-enactment is nothing more than name calling, a way to mock and insult. Such crap. Today's Washington Post Outlook section has a story about Gettysburg that really gives a feeling for genuine re-enactment. I'll quote part of it here: The North had vastly more railroads, manpower and natural resources than the South. How on Earth did it take them five years to finish this thing? Wasn't the outcome a foregone conclusion? *Gettysburg reenacted* It seems less obvious when you are sweating in a field in the July heat, wearing several layers of wool, a canteen clicking at your hip as you bring ammunition rounds to the gunners. For this exercise in memory, I am embedded in Battery M of the regular Union artillery. My face is smeared with black powder and I smell of saltpeter. I have no idea how anyone managed to do this under fire. I'm having enough difficulty when my life is in no danger. What happened at Gettysburg? The reenactors know, and they'll tell you, at length. Who was in this unit? Where did they fight? Why did they go here, not there? Where was the left wing marshaled? They aren't historians. Most of them have day jobs: In my unit, the commander runs a landscaping business, the gunnery expert is a retired veterinarian and the No. 3 man on the cannon is an assistant commonwealth's attorney in Virginia. But they've absorbed all the details Everett spoke about 150 years ago, and many more. Did you see, they say, that horse-drawn caisson? Very rare. Very exciting! One of the jokes about reenactments is that they make it seem impossible that the Confederacy could have lost the war, given that the Confederate reenactors always have the Union army outnumbered. Then again, they're the ones who want a do-over. In Intruders in the Dust (1948), William Faulkner writes about how for every Southern boy fourteen years old, not once but whenever he wants it, there is the instant when it's still not yet two o'clock on that July afternoon in 1863, the brigades are in position behind the rail fence, the guns are laid and ready in the woods and it seems possible that this time the desperate gamble could be crowned with victory. As a northern 20-something millennial woman, I don't wish for an alternate ending. But standing back from the cannon's recoil, ears covered, dimly aware of the clouds massing over the fields and the promise of rain, I can picture what a terrifying muddle it was --- and how easily everything might have been different. This randomness is the part of military history that has always fascinated me. You miss a sunken road on your map, and Waterloo is a defeat instead of a victory. You misplace three cigars with orders wrapped around them, and Antietam suddenly grows more complicated. You shoot at what you take to be an enemy riding in the woods, and you have killed Stonewall Jackson. Hold the heights for an hour longer, for two hours longer, and the course of history shifts. Talk to any military historian about Gettysburg and you have to fight your way through a thicket of ifs. When we reenact the charge, one of the soldiers in our unit secedes to rejoin another regiment, the North Carolinians, to run at our guns and see how far he makes it. Maybe they'll get over the top this time. Who knows? Is this, then, the story of Gettysburg: a historical near-miss? Is it about how close the South came, and how much was sacrificed to stop the Confederate troops? In academic histories, one of the popular descriptions of Pickett's Charge is as a microcosm of the war itself. Matchless valor, apparent initial success, and ultimate disaster, writes James McPherson. He quotes a union commander's surprise: I did not believe the enemy could be whipped. Gettysburg broke the spell of Lee's annus mirabilis. It was all downhill from here. Gettysburg, more perhaps than other battles, is the sum of the stories we tell about it. *That* is re-enactment. Going to Provence to ride up Mont Ventoux on a 1972 Molteni team bike, that too would be re-enactment. Signing up for L'Eroica Vintage with a heroic bicycle (see Article 6, here http://www.eroicafan.it/en/l-eroica-ita-3/l-eroica-storica-ita/2012-07-09-08-47-03.html ) that's re-enactment, too. When you get done you'll not only have had a hell of a ride and made memories that will last a lifetime, you'll also have a much better understanding of what those activities and accomplishments really were like for the participants. So how did it become a fit and proper term with which to make fun of us? Who died and elevated Even Weiss to a throne from which he could look down and sneer? And why should we go along with it? --
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
God. Moving on: one huge problem afflicting the Northern army was McClellan, who had delusions of grandeur combined with a fear of fighting. Anecdote: Lincoln and friend Ozias Hatch were on a bluff overlooking the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln leaned over and whispered, Hatch: What is that!? Hatch: Why, Mr. Lincoln, it's the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln (in a loud voice): No, Hatch, no! That is General McClellan's bodyguard! Another: If General McClellan isn't using the army, I'd like to borrow it. On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Who died and elevated Even Weiss to a throne from which he could look down and sneer? And why should we go along with it? -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
On 11/17/2013 05:41 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: Moving on: one huge problem afflicting the Northern army was McClellan, who had delusions of grandeur combined with a fear of fighting. Anecdote: Lincoln and friend Ozias Hatch were on a bluff overlooking the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln leaned over and whispered, Hatch: What is that!? Hatch: Why, Mr. Lincoln, it's the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln (in a loud voice): No, Hatch, no! That is General McClellan's bodyguard! Another: If General McClellan isn't using the army, I'd like to borrow it. In my opinion McClellan did not want to win and was little more than a Copperhead in uniform. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
sarcasm never comes across right on the internet - also, if you love somebody, no sarcasm - it transliterates as putrefying thought, and that is what it does. On Friday, November 15, 2013 4:54:55 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Hey, I missed this one. How do you dremel a Longboard into a Bluemel? Anyone who takes cutting tools to bicycle stuff is my friend! It is interesting that BS's sarcasm seems to be spread with a pretty even hand, in a full 360 degrees, too. Patrick must search my trash folder for this one -- no, I'm not being snippy Moore, who thinks the occasional metaphorical and emotional face slap is good for the soul. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM, OS125 cbar...@ase.tufts.edujavascript: wrote: Anton Tutter wrote: I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before. BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, Small group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended audience. He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their onbsessiveness. In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the intertwined communities). If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of company, including a few from this list. Anton goes on to write: The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re- enacting a set of Bluemels. Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45. One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the Kool-Aid.” The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it with him or her. Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this topic: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the tip of the spear as it prods me. Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote: How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender by dremeling now appropriate? Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and neither would I care to. It is written for a few people, nobody's attention is solicited, nobody has to subscribe, and it's not as if it so important that I would post it to an internet forum in order to stir up a fuss. And I completely agree with your comments re: sanctimoniousness. Smarminess, too. Not only that, but I am impious, overweight, and make sarcastic jokes among friends. Chris “Author, Author “ Barbour,
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. To quote H L Mencken: A belly laugh is worth 10,000 syllogisms. On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: sarcasm never comes across right on the internet - also, if you love somebody, no sarcasm - it transliterates as putrefying thought, and that is what it does. On Friday, November 15, 2013 4:54:55 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Hey, I missed this one. How do you dremel a Longboard into a Bluemel? Anyone who takes cutting tools to bicycle stuff is my friend! It is interesting that BS's sarcasm seems to be spread with a pretty even hand, in a full 360 degrees, too. Patrick must search my trash folder for this one -- no, I'm not being snippy Moore, who thinks the occasional metaphorical and emotional face slap is good for the soul. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM, OS125 cbar...@ase.tufts.edu wrote: Anton Tutter wrote: I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before. BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, Small group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended audience. He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their onbsessiveness. In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the intertwined communities). If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of company, including a few from this list. Anton goes on to write: The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re- enacting a set of Bluemels. Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45. One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the Kool-Aid.” The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it with him or her. Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this topic: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the tip of the spear as it prods me. Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote: How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender by dremeling now appropriate? Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and neither would I care to. It is written for a few people, nobody's attention is solicited, nobody has to subscribe, and it's not as if it so important that I would post it to an internet forum in order to stir up a fuss.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. IMHO words and phrases like fop chariot and reenactment embody putrefaction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
I prefer Historically accurate fop chariot. If you haven't read it, Monday's installment was perfect BTW: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/11/shafted-again.html He does use some earthy language. On 11/16/13, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. IMHO words and phrases like fop chariot and reenactment embody putrefaction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
I rode my historically inaccurate fop chariot on a 20 mi ride this morning (only bike I own with gears I can climb back into my neighborhood) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aP4140012.jpg with the small trunksack mounted in place of the rando bag. I've mentioned before people come from the city to ride the creek bottom road here. My bike turned heads everywhere this morning. I was pacing with a pack of serious-looking roadies, and took over the lane to blow away a car dropping through one of the creek crossings. It is so dialed in and cozy. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:18:12 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer Historically accurate fop chariot. If you haven't read it, Monday's installment was perfect BTW: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/11/shafted-again.html He does use some earthy language. On 11/16/13, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com javascript: wrote: On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. IMHO words and phrases like fop chariot and reenactment embody putrefaction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
Yeah! The right words count! Patrick Moore, getting a kick out of this thread in ABQ, NM On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: I prefer Historically accurate fop chariot. If you haven't read it, Monday's installment was perfect BTW: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/11/shafted-again.html He does use some earthy language. On 11/16/13, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. IMHO words and phrases like fop chariot and reenactment embody putrefaction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
Nice bike -- I wish I could be comfortable on M bars. Are the new ones very different in feel? On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my historically inaccurate fop chariot on a 20 mi ride this morning (only bike I own with gears I can climb back into my neighborhood) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aP4140012.jpg with the small trunksack mounted in place of the rando bag. I've mentioned before people come from the city to ride the creek bottom road here. My bike turned heads everywhere this morning. I was pacing with a pack of serious-looking roadies, and took over the lane to blow away a car dropping through one of the creek crossings. It is so dialed in and cozy. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:18:12 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: I prefer Historically accurate fop chariot. If you haven't read it, Monday's installment was perfect BTW: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/11/shafted-again.html He does use some earthy language. On 11/16/13, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com wrote: On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. IMHO words and phrases like fop chariot and reenactment embody putrefaction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
thanks Patrick. Even with all the weight, my old college Raleigh is trick for me. Wide 6 rear and half-steps plus escape on a Cylotouriste crank. Gears are 26 to 97 in about 5-inch steps. I think it's cozy for me because of my long limbs and short torso, but it fits me like a pair of Italian loafers (on my ice skate feet). Recently picked up a repair stand and easily adjusted my Zeus hub cones on the bike before this morning's ride - makes all the difference to adjust them on the bike. Those are the Nitto moustache (not the newer Albastache), and I wouldn't trade them for anything. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:21:50 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Nice bike -- I wish I could be comfortable on M bars. Are the new ones very different in feel? On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I rode my historically inaccurate fop chariot on a 20 mi ride this morning (only bike I own with gears I can climb back into my neighborhood) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aP4140012.jpg with the small trunksack mounted in place of the rando bag. I've mentioned before people come from the city to ride the creek bottom road here. My bike turned heads everywhere this morning. I was pacing with a pack of serious-looking roadies, and took over the lane to blow away a car dropping through one of the creek crossings. It is so dialed in and cozy. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:18:12 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: I prefer Historically accurate fop chariot. If you haven't read it, Monday's installment was perfect BTW: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/11/shafted-again.html He does use some earthy language. On 11/16/13, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com wrote: On 11/16/2013 10:49 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: I don't think BSNYC's quips putrefy anything. Apparently, neither does Grant. BS comes across as facetiously grumpy and misanthropic -- the key word being facetiously. IMHO words and phrases like fop chariot and reenactment embody putrefaction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
Anton Tutter wrote: I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before. BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, Small group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended audience. He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their onbsessiveness. In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the intertwined communities). If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of company, including a few from this list. Anton goes on to write: The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re- enacting a set of Bluemels. Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45. One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the Kool-Aid.” The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it with him or her. Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this topic: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the tip of the spear as it prods me. Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote: How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender by dremeling now appropriate? Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and neither would I care to. It is written for a few people, nobody's attention is solicited, nobody has to subscribe, and it's not as if it so important that I would post it to an internet forum in order to stir up a fuss. And I completely agree with your comments re: sanctimoniousness. Smarminess, too. Not only that, but I am impious, overweight, and make sarcastic jokes among friends. Chris “Author, Author “ Barbour, near Boston -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
I see, so no commenting on your own blog but you can comment here on peoples comments on said blog. What a hypocrite. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:56 AM, OS125 cbarb...@ase.tufts.edu wrote: Anton Tutter wrote: I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before. BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, Small group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended audience. He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their onbsessiveness. In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the intertwined communities). If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of company, including a few from this list. Anton goes on to write: The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re- enacting a set of Bluemels. Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45. One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the Kool-Aid.” The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it with him or her. Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this topic: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the tip of the spear as it prods me. Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote: How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender by dremeling now appropriate? Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and neither would I care to. It is written for a few people, nobody's attention is solicited, nobody has to subscribe, and it's not as if it so important that I would post it to an internet forum in order to stir up a fuss. And I completely agree with your comments re: sanctimoniousness. Smarminess, too. Not only that, but I am impious, overweight, and make sarcastic jokes among friends. Chris “Author, Author “ Barbour, near Boston -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
Think of all the angst and implied insult you could have avoided simply by describing your hack as a way to emulate or recreate the look of the old Bluemels fender while using cheap and readily available modern fenders. I think in future it would be nice to reserve the term re-enactors for people who are dressing up like Civil War soldiers or Roman legionaries waving around antique weapons while recreating historic battles. And possibly also New England framebuilders who are still making 1970s style steel road racing bikes in a world where such things haven't been seen in the pro peloton in a generation... On 11/15/2013 11:56 AM, OS125 wrote: Anton Tutter wrote: I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before. BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, Small group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended audience. He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their onbsessiveness. In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the intertwined communities). If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of company, including a few from this list. Anton goes on to write: The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re- enacting a set of Bluemels. Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45. One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the Kool-Aid.” The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it with him or her. Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this topic: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the tip of the spear as it prods me. Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote: How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender by dremeling now appropriate? Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and neither would I care to. It is written for a few people, nobody's attention is solicited, nobody has to subscribe, and it's not as if it so important that I would post it to an internet forum in order to stir up a fuss. And I completely agree with your comments re: sanctimoniousness. Smarminess, too. Not only that, but I am impious, overweight, and make sarcastic jokes among friends. Chris “Author, Author “ Barbour, near Boston -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
[RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
I think it would be cool if SKS offered modern fenders in all the colors that Bluemels (sp?) used to offer. That would be super fun. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:31:49 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: Has anyone seen this? http://v-ccnewengland.blogspot.com/2011/03/sks-longboard-fenders-improved.html The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re-enacting a set of Bluemels. And his 2008 steed is sporting decades old MAFAC Racers, Weinmann non-aero levers and a VO constructeur bottle cage copied from an old French design. Not anachronistic in the least. *SKS calls them beige, but they are cream-colored. Their design partner for this product is Rivendell Bicycle Works. As one would expect from such provenance, there are aesthetic problems, but these can be overcome with a bit of careful Dremeling, a penknife, and fine-grade sandpaper. In short order these fenders can be made to match the classic shape of the standard SKS P45, a profile that functions beautifully and soothes eyes accustomed to the aesthetic ideals of classic British and Italian bicycles. * *As they come, the Longboard fenders are excessively long. This hardly would be noticeable amongst the clutter of racks, baskets, twine, tweed, and sloping (or extra) frame tubes on Rivendells. Indeed excessively long fenders actually are prized by French bike re-enactors (not that most would go anywhere near plastic fenders). However if rough stuff riding is on the agenda, the long trailing end of the front fender will act as a scoop for brush and leaves.* Technically, with respect to the rotation of the wheel, which is pertinent to the author's point, it's the leading edge, not trailing edge. *You who ride trails; who do not need to show you spent the maximum possible amount of money for fenders; and who have figured out there are better ways of engaging French culture - for instance reading Flaubert - than trying to make a thirty-year-old UJB look something like like a sixty-year-old Herse... prepare to cut. * Because Rivendell owners never touch trails. I don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of Bluemels shatter into bits on hard trials. My alloy fenders have held up great! *First pry the SKS bling-let from the front fender, and the mudflap from the rear. This corrects SKS's unfortunate fascination with black plastic.* *Bluemel's, right for a veteran cycle, would be all wrong here: an anachronistic affectation, and a misuse of a scarce, irreplaceable part.* I get the anachronistic bit, but scarce and irreplaceable? Hardly. I pick up used and NOS sets of Bluemels all the time for less than a set of Longboards. It's no wonder he disallows commenting on his blog. Anton, shamelessly and affectatiously re-enacting and anachronising since 2005, Tutter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
Hey, I missed this one. How do you dremel a Longboard into a Bluemel? Anyone who takes cutting tools to bicycle stuff is my friend! It is interesting that BS's sarcasm seems to be spread with a pretty even hand, in a full 360 degrees, too. Patrick must search my trash folder for this one -- no, I'm not being snippy Moore, who thinks the occasional metaphorical and emotional face slap is good for the soul. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM, OS125 cbarb...@ase.tufts.edu wrote: Anton Tutter wrote: I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. I expect he has run into this sort of reaction before. BSNYC might allow for the possibility it is written tongue-in-cheek, just as he writes. He even may be sufficiently perceptive to think, Small group of people, closed comments, not much use of Web 2.0 connectivity - maybe there are some inside jokes here. Maybe I am not the intended audience. He hardly could be unfamiliar with obsessive cyclists taking umbrage with what he writes, and how that proves the points of his barbs at their onbsessiveness. In any event, it is seldom a good idea to attribute thoughts or motivations to anyone without the first-hand knowledge of dialogue. Therefore I should not speculate further of what BSNYC would make of this, especially as he does not have the advantages of knowing the person who wrote it, as Anton does (a little), or of sharing mutual friends amidst the tiny audience for which it is written (who have ample opportunity to comment or razz, give as good as they get, and are able to laugh about our shared obsessions). Mr. Weiss also could not know that the author is an old time Bridgestone rider, long-time Rivendell customer, and has spent a lot of time on road and trail with his Riv-riding, BQ-reading friends (all of whom joke about double top tubes, low- trail, and other matters of the intertwined communities). If lampooning the bike sects sends me to hell, I will have lots of company, including a few from this list. Anton goes on to write: The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re- enacting a set of Bluemels. Ahem - this is about re-enacting the SKS P45. One might dial down the umbrage meter and ponder, having invoked BSNYC - who seems to have a great relationship with Rivendell despite sometimes poking fun at their bikes and following - the possibility that this text was not written in scorn. It might come from somebody who knows this stuff from the inside, for a long time, sees in it humor that he shares with like-minded pals, and is hip to the common RBW trope of “drinking the Kool-Aid.” The Web, like bookshops and libraries, is full of texts that are available to the general public, in a public place, but not written for every reader, or forced on any. If I do not like to read something disagreeable to my opinions, or disagreeable to me in style, I may ignore it (especially from so inconsequential a medium as an obscure blog), grumble privately, or, if I happen to know the author, I might discuss it with him or her. Not long ago I revisited iBOB and RBW, from which I had been away quite awhile. I was delighted by the contributions and adventures of Deacon Patrick, whose voice and spirit keep me coming back, and who wrote on this topic: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ I like it. This is how I take the original post, while not missing the tip of the spear as it prods me. Steve Palincsar, old-time iBOB ally in a protracted, poorly argued (from the other side) debate on threaded forks and headsets that I was dumb enough to let myself be dragged into, wrote: How, I wonder, is recreating the look of a 40 year old Bluemels fender by dremeling now appropriate? Again, this is about making a Longboard into a P45 with a different color, to a length useful for some conditions in which my friends and I ride. Though willing to add a preliminary warning for the Very Serious, I cannot prevent misreading or steer interpretation, and neither would I care to. It is written for a few people, nobody's attention is solicited, nobody has to subscribe, and it's not as if it so important that I would post it to an internet forum in order to stir up a fuss. And I completely agree with your comments re: sanctimoniousness. Smarminess, too. Not only that, but I am impious, overweight, and make sarcastic jokes among friends. Chris “Author, Author “ Barbour, near Boston -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this
[RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:31:49 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote: Has anyone seen this? http://v-ccnewengland.blogspot.com/2011/03/sks-longboard-fenders-improved.html The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re-enacting a set of Bluemels. And his 2008 steed is sporting decades old MAFAC Racers, Weinmann non-aero levers and a VO constructeur bottle cage copied from an old French design. Not anachronistic in the least. *SKS calls them beige, but they are cream-colored. Their design partner for this product is Rivendell Bicycle Works. As one would expect from such provenance, there are aesthetic problems, but these can be overcome with a bit of careful Dremeling, a penknife, and fine-grade sandpaper. In short order these fenders can be made to match the classic shape of the standard SKS P45, a profile that functions beautifully and soothes eyes accustomed to the aesthetic ideals of classic British and Italian bicycles. * *As they come, the Longboard fenders are excessively long. This hardly would be noticeable amongst the clutter of racks, baskets, twine, tweed, and sloping (or extra) frame tubes on Rivendells. Indeed excessively long fenders actually are prized by French bike re-enactors (not that most would go anywhere near plastic fenders). However if rough stuff riding is on the agenda, the long trailing end of the front fender will act as a scoop for brush and leaves.* Technically, with respect to the rotation of the wheel, which is pertinent to the author's point, it's the leading edge, not trailing edge. *You who ride trails; who do not need to show you spent the maximum possible amount of money for fenders; and who have figured out there are better ways of engaging French culture - for instance reading Flaubert - than trying to make a thirty-year-old UJB look something like like a sixty-year-old Herse... prepare to cut. * Because Rivendell owners never touch trails. I don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of Bluemels shatter into bits on hard trials. My alloy fenders have held up great! *First pry the SKS bling-let from the front fender, and the mudflap from the rear. This corrects SKS's unfortunate fascination with black plastic.* *Bluemel's, right for a veteran cycle, would be all wrong here: an anachronistic affectation, and a misuse of a scarce, irreplaceable part.* I get the anachronistic bit, but scarce and irreplaceable? Hardly. I pick up used and NOS sets of Bluemels all the time for less than a set of Longboards. It's no wonder he disallows commenting on his blog. Anton, shamelessly and affectatiously re-enacting and anachronising since 2005, Tutter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
I like the bar and stem shifter combination on his prewar Evans http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uyGpYXb0Jro/TTtxtIAWUtI/AMs/QYm6dCLwbtU/s1600/IMG_7300.jpg I don't know if you've ever visited the CABE - none of those guys actually ride bikes - they just memorialize them On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:41:59 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: This seems applicable. http://xkcd.com/386/ With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:31:49 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote: Has anyone seen this? http://v-ccnewengland.blogspot.com/2011/03/sks-longboard-fenders-improved.html The author explicitly expresses his distaste of these fenders and of the Rivendell aesthetic, and preaches sanctimoniously about French re-enactors and anachronistic affectations yet it was a Riv product he chose as the basis for re-enacting a set of Bluemels. And his 2008 steed is sporting decades old MAFAC Racers, Weinmann non-aero levers and a VO constructeur bottle cage copied from an old French design. Not anachronistic in the least. *SKS calls them beige, but they are cream-colored. Their design partner for this product is Rivendell Bicycle Works. As one would expect from such provenance, there are aesthetic problems, but these can be overcome with a bit of careful Dremeling, a penknife, and fine-grade sandpaper. In short order these fenders can be made to match the classic shape of the standard SKS P45, a profile that functions beautifully and soothes eyes accustomed to the aesthetic ideals of classic British and Italian bicycles. * *As they come, the Longboard fenders are excessively long. This hardly would be noticeable amongst the clutter of racks, baskets, twine, tweed, and sloping (or extra) frame tubes on Rivendells. Indeed excessively long fenders actually are prized by French bike re-enactors (not that most would go anywhere near plastic fenders). However if rough stuff riding is on the agenda, the long trailing end of the front fender will act as a scoop for brush and leaves.* Technically, with respect to the rotation of the wheel, which is pertinent to the author's point, it's the leading edge, not trailing edge. *You who ride trails; who do not need to show you spent the maximum possible amount of money for fenders; and who have figured out there are better ways of engaging French culture - for instance reading Flaubert - than trying to make a thirty-year-old UJB look something like like a sixty-year-old Herse... prepare to cut. * Because Rivendell owners never touch trails. I don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of Bluemels shatter into bits on hard trials. My alloy fenders have held up great! *First pry the SKS bling-let from the front fender, and the mudflap from the rear. This corrects SKS's unfortunate fascination with black plastic.* *Bluemel's, right for a veteran cycle, would be all wrong here: an anachronistic affectation, and a misuse of a scarce, irreplaceable part.* I get the anachronistic bit, but scarce and irreplaceable? Hardly. I pick up used and NOS sets of Bluemels all the time for less than a set of Longboards. It's no wonder he disallows commenting on his blog. Anton, shamelessly and affectatiously re-enacting and anachronising since 2005, Tutter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment
On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:47:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: I like the bar and stem shifter combination on his prewar Evans http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uyGpYXb0Jro/TTtxtIAWUtI/AMs/QYm6dCLwbtU/s1600/IMG_7300.jpg It's also sporting a Riv bottle. I don't know if you've ever visited the CABE - none of those guys actually ride bikes - they just memorialize them Well, another blog post of hishttp://v-ccnewengland.blogspot.com/2012/05/rays-waterworks-ride.htmltries to rebuke this, while keeping an air of entitlement: *The longest and best yet rendition of a New England Rough-stuff Section classic: miles off-road, beginning with two-plus on railroad ballast guarded by poison ivy and an army of ticks - our kind of road. * *One rides these ways aware that mainstream cycling advocates are lobbying to clear and pave them over, so that the unadventurous may ride them as easily as driving down the Mass Pike. Enjoy them while they remain unspoilt.* Technically, they were spoilt once the rails were dismantled and trains stopped traveling them, since that's what they were built for. Whoever dreamed when they were built that railroad ballasts would be ridden 100 years later by guys born 50 years later, on bikes made 40 years later? I would love to read BikeSnobNYC's take on of all this. Anton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
