[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-26 Thread Rod Holland
Interesting. Thinking about my own bikes (700c Surly LHT, 26 Surly Trucker 
DeLuxe, old 26 GT Karakoram), I see a blending of the influences of three 
men: Grant Petersen, Jan Heine, and Peter White. It has been argued that 
the Surly LHT geometry was broadly derived from the Atlantis; whether 
that's true or not, the relaxed geometry/sturdy steel/wide tire clearance 
is certainly compatible with Grant's approach. I run Riv pedals (Grip Kings 
or Thin Gripsters) on all three bikes, Jan's tires on the two Surlys (38mm 
Compass Barlow Pass on the 700c, Compass 1.75 on the 26); on the GT, I 
run Rivish Schwalbe Big Bens in the warm weather, and studded Nokian W240s 
(courtesy of Peter White) during ice bike season. The GT Karakoram's 
original flat bars have been enhanced with Cane Creek bar ends, again 
courtesy of Peter White. The build of the Trucker DeLuxe included some 
Rivish components, including wide Nitto Noodles, a Sugino crank, and NOS 
Sun Tour friction shifters. 

Grant, Jan, and Peter, thanks for your sage guidance.

rod

On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-26 Thread Patrick Moore
LOL!

For the record: My Grant-designed (just for me!) road bikes are my design
benchmarks. (But I keep my bars properly low.)

On the Lovely Bicycle blog's current entry, there is a formally unrelated
but materially quite pertinent discussion about bar height and overall
bicycle design, to which Jan Heine adds a useful commentary.


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 On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:03:38 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-25 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
The Trangia 28 mini set works great for me. 
http://www.amazon.com/Trangia-327508-28-T-Mini/dp/B000LN7HUC/ref=pd_sbs_sg_4?ie=UTF8refRID=0FAPDACAGVQHW094JDSK

On Monday, June 23, 2014 8:36:21 PM UTC+3, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 Thanks, all. I do enjoy the discussions here. 
 For those sensitive to the whiff of neurosis or of an almost obnoxious 
 admiration of Rivendell, well, that might be part of it, but I justified 
 asking the question because it seemed like it might generate some 
 interesting dialogue. 

 As for how nice the Sackville Small Saddlesack is--it's very. I sometimes 
 wish I'd gotten a medium or even a large, otherwise it's great. Though I 
 haven't used it much lately, as the saddle mounting position interferes 
 with the Trail-A-Bike my daughter is often on. Should I need the space, I 
 figure I'll just strap it to my front rack. Also super happy with a set of 
 Swift Mini-Rolltop Panniers. 

 Just to drift off topic slightly, who has a favorite cheap way to heat 
 water at camp? Just looking for coffee on the morning of S24o's. Small pack 
 size is secondary to small price, but both are important. Esbit or Trangia? 
 What is the water holding vessel? Is there a good bottle or pot that can 
 nest in a campfire? Not real interested in a $100 water heater from MSR. . 
  .


 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.



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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-25 Thread Anton Tutter
I own neither a Riv nor a majority of the parts that Riv sells, but I subscribe 
to much of Grant's philosophy (not all of it). I see a lot of general content 
overlap between the Bob, 650b, Riv and Rawland lists, and I peruse them all. 

Anton

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-25 Thread Mathew Greiner
Interesting, I read Grant as saying  this works for me - if it helps you 
use it, but find your own path.
Yep.
Though with a hint of I thought about this for a long time and tried a lot 
of stuff out, and so it's probably as close to right as you can get if you 
accept the same premises I started with, but maybe you don't, and 
reinventing wheels is usually silly, especially since Rich makes such nice 
ones.

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:29:08 PM UTC-5, Robert Barr wrote:

 Interesting, I read Grant as saying  this works for me - if it helps you 
 use it, but find your own path.


 On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:



 On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:03:38 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers.  


 *b* 

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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread LF
Um ... pass the kool-aid, please. 
L

On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread justinaugust
Unless you own the company you're not a Rivendell Owner. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread Ron Mc
yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers.  

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:04:53 AM UTC-5, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unless you own the company you're not a Rivendell Owner. 

 -J


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread Mathew Greiner
Thanks, all. I do enjoy the discussions here. 
For those sensitive to the whiff of neurosis or of an almost obnoxious 
admiration of Rivendell, well, that might be part of it, but I justified 
asking the question because it seemed like it might generate some 
interesting dialogue. 

As for how nice the Sackville Small Saddlesack is--it's very. I sometimes 
wish I'd gotten a medium or even a large, otherwise it's great. Though I 
haven't used it much lately, as the saddle mounting position interferes 
with the Trail-A-Bike my daughter is often on. Should I need the space, I 
figure I'll just strap it to my front rack. Also super happy with a set of 
Swift Mini-Rolltop Panniers. 

Just to drift off topic slightly, who has a favorite cheap way to heat 
water at camp? Just looking for coffee on the morning of S24o's. Small pack 
size is secondary to small price, but both are important. Esbit or Trangia? 
What is the water holding vessel? Is there a good bottle or pot that can 
nest in a campfire? Not real interested in a $100 water heater from MSR. . 
 .


On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread Addison Wilhite
I'm pretty thrilled with the Esbit and use the titanium bowl that Riv
offers to heat water.  I also use a few wood matches leaning over the fuel
pellet to give the flames a slightly wider disbursal (I hope that makes
sense).  Seems to work better that way.  If you have high winds you may
need some sort of wind break.

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On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Mathew Greiner mathew.grei...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thanks, all. I do enjoy the discussions here.
 For those sensitive to the whiff of neurosis or of an almost obnoxious
 admiration of Rivendell, well, that might be part of it, but I justified
 asking the question because it seemed like it might generate some
 interesting dialogue.

 As for how nice the Sackville Small Saddlesack is--it's very. I sometimes
 wish I'd gotten a medium or even a large, otherwise it's great. Though I
 haven't used it much lately, as the saddle mounting position interferes
 with the Trail-A-Bike my daughter is often on. Should I need the space, I
 figure I'll just strap it to my front rack. Also super happy with a set of
 Swift Mini-Rolltop Panniers.

 Just to drift off topic slightly, who has a favorite cheap way to heat
 water at camp? Just looking for coffee on the morning of S24o's. Small pack
 size is secondary to small price, but both are important. Esbit or Trangia?
 What is the water holding vessel? Is there a good bottle or pot that can
 nest in a campfire? Not real interested in a $100 water heater from MSR. .
  .


 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes,
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely
 to be ordered soon.
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic,
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread Garth

Gee . .  . let me think .  . .. ho hum ho hum  . .  . .

If you are HERE .  .  . . you qualify :) 

This isn't rocket science ;) 

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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread Cecily Walker


On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:03:38 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers.  


*b* 

;-) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread Robert Barr
Interesting, I read Grant as saying  this works for me - if it helps you
use it, but find your own path.


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com
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 On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:03:38 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers.


 *b*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread Ron Mc
yet here you remain

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:29:08 PM UTC-5, Robert Barr wrote:

 Interesting, I read Grant as saying  this works for me - if it helps you 
 use it, but find your own path.


 On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:



 On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:03:38 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers.  


 *b* 

 ;-) 

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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-24 Thread dougP
Now we're getting deep.  :-)

dougP

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 Gee . .  . let me think .  . .. ho hum ho hum  . .  . .

 If you are HERE .  .  . . you qualify :) 

 This isn't rocket science ;) 


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread Joe Bernard
The thing which makes Riv owner such a broad title is that RBW has always 
been a company which sells parts and clothing and stuff that establishes a 
certain aesthetic and approach to cycling which is readily identifiable as 
Riv like. I've owned Riv frames in the past, and currently have an Heron 
- a Grant-designed collaboration with Ted Durant and Waterford from the 
late-90's - but I also can be seen on a strange little aluminum Dahon 
folder. Said folder carries a Brooks saddle and Rivendell saddle- and 
handlebar bags, and I ride it in relatively normal-looking clothes. My 
Dahon certainly isn't a Riv, but anyone who knows of Riv things and saw me 
coming on my Brooksed-and-bagged folder would instantly recognize me as a 
Riv owner. Tis what I think, anyway. 

Joe this might not work on the recumbent Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:02:29 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread RJM
You certainly love Rivs and Rivendell. I was much the same way before I 
bought my first riv. I had/have a Jamis Aurora totally decked out with Riv 
stuff, but I didn't consider myself a Riv owner until I actually bought a 
Rivendell frame and put the bike together. 

I don't like labels at all, so I would consider you a Riv owner because of 
the saddlesack. Those bags are wonderful...aren't they?

On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread Deacon Patrick
Nutty enough to see value in Rivy stuff. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 23, 2014 5:45:04 AM UTC-6, RJM wrote:

 You certainly love Rivs and Rivendell. I was much the same way before I 
 bought my first riv. I had/have a Jamis Aurora totally decked out with Riv 
 stuff, but I didn't consider myself a Riv owner until I actually bought a 
 Rivendell frame and put the bike together. 

 I don't like labels at all, so I would consider you a Riv owner because of 
 the saddlesack. Those bags are wonderful...aren't they?

 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.



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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread Chris in Redding, Ca.
Hey All,
I say it's plenty good enough to ride something 'Riv inspired'. 

Smiles,
Chris
Redding, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread George Millwood

Matthew, I rode a Cannondale touring bike for some years and gradually 
added Riv bits when my wallet could afford them.  I bought a B17, a seat 
post, some Nitto bottle cages, a stem and handlebars but I was soon 
dissatisfied and sent off for some other stems, handlebars, bar tape and 
somesuch.  I got my LBS to make up some nice wheels for the widest tyres I 
could fit and then found a local stockist for the SKS mudguards(fenders). 
 Then I realised what the problem really was and bought an Atlantis frame 
and forks.  

Now I've continued on this path changing all the driveline, upgrading to 
beautiful french stainless steel mudguards and the last bit left of the 
Cannondale is the brakes.  I'm saving up for Pauls.  I also have a Birdy 
folder and a Specialised Shark Sport beach cruiser as I live on a beach but 
they've both got Brooks.

Riv is a state of mind.  You've got that state of mind, the rest will come 
in time.  In the meantime welcome and make yourself at home.

George Millwood
Atlantis No 93
Wollongong NSW Australia where it's winter now and a miserable 15 Celsius 
today, it'll be Saturday before it's back up to 20 

 

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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread dougP
Matthew:

You're way over-thinking this issue.  We do a lot of that here.  You're on 
the right track, so welcome to the group.  

dougP

On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:02:29 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread Ron Mc
this is a really nice place to play with toys in their yard.  

On Monday, June 23, 2014 10:38:23 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 Matthew:

 You're way over-thinking this issue.  We do a lot of that here.  You're on 
 the right track, so welcome to the group.  

 dougP

 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:02:29 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.



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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
My opinion is that you must own a RBW branded frame to be an RBW owner.  By 
my definition, the San Marcos doesn't qualify.  No amount of parts will 
make a non-RBW branded frame a Rivendell.

I'd love to test ride a Riv and possibly own one but even if I don't, I 
still agree with a lot of RBW's views and I want to support Grant as much 
as possible.  



On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread Joe Bernard
Dude, you can buy a San Marcos* from Riv, with Riv parts installed by Riv 
people, and packed by those same people in a Riv box.* It's a Rivendell.

JB

On Monday, June 23, 2014 10:56:25 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 My opinion is that you must own a RBW branded frame to be an RBW owner. 
  By my definition, the San Marcos doesn't qualify.  No amount of parts will 
 make a non-RBW branded frame a Rivendell.

 I'd love to test ride a Riv and possibly own one but even if I don't, I 
 still agree with a lot of RBW's views and I want to support Grant as much 
 as possible.  



 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread cyclotourist
But in the end it's a Soma bike. No value judgement on that BTW. It's just
you can't call it a Rivendell SM.

Cheers,
David

it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dude, you can buy a San Marcos* from Riv, with Riv parts installed by Riv
 people, and packed by those same people in a Riv box.* It's a Rivendell.

 JB


 On Monday, June 23, 2014 10:56:25 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 My opinion is that you must own a RBW branded frame to be an RBW owner.
  By my definition, the San Marcos doesn't qualify.  No amount of parts will
 make a non-RBW branded frame a Rivendell.

 I'd love to test ride a Riv and possibly own one but even if I don't, I
 still agree with a lot of RBW's views and I want to support Grant as much
 as possible.



 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to
 originate at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame
 will do the trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably
 won't anytime real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike
 was bought from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers,
 brakes, fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack,
 and many of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories
 weren't ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine
 wrapped in more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both
 the latest RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits
 are likely to be ordered soon.
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic,
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread George Millwood


 Surely this is the sort of hair splitting that is anathema to this group..



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread Peter Morgano
Agreed, all are welcome, even jerks like me. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread cyclotourist
Everyone loves a pedant. No, wait...

Cheers,
David

it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





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 Agreed, all are welcome, even jerks like me. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread Dan McNamara
If Herons are RBW bikes then the Soma bike is inside the bubble as well.

RBW lugs. RBW geometry. Sold by RBW. 



 On Jun 23, 2014, at 5:51 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 But in the end it's a Soma bike. No value judgement on that BTW. It's just 
 you can't call it a Rivendell SM.
 
 Cheers,
 David
 
 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal
 
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dude, you can buy a San Marcos from Riv, with Riv parts installed by Riv 
 people, and packed by those same people in a Riv box. It's a Rivendell.
 
 JB
 
 
 On Monday, June 23, 2014 10:56:25 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
 
 My opinion is that you must own a RBW branded frame to be an RBW owner.  By 
 my definition, the San Marcos doesn't qualify.  No amount of parts will 
 make a non-RBW branded frame a Rivendell.
 
 I'd love to test ride a Riv and possibly own one but even if I don't, I 
 still agree with a lot of RBW's views and I want to support Grant as much 
 as possible.  
 
 
 
 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:02:29 PM UTC-5, Mathew Greiner wrote:
 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do 
 the trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't 
 anytime real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was 
 bought from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and Just Ride. A hatchet and some camping bits are likely to 
 be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, 
 but as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will 
 quibble if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a 
 hunk-O-cheese as a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese 
 should be On Topic, but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to 
 think that if I mailed a postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.
 
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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread DS
It's more of a philosophy than owning the actual frame or parts or 
combination of parts to me. I always looked at the RBW owner as first and 
foremost someone who likes to ride very versatile bikes and ride them for 
the enjoyment and adventure of riding and being outside.

Echoing all the other posts, I Riv'd out a few bikes before I finally got a 
true Rivendell frame. The actual Rivendell I now have is awesome, nothing 
to compare it to. But that still hasn't stopped me from continuing to Riv 
out my other non-Riv bikes. 

Slap a brooks saddle on Soma, Surly, or any new or old steel bike and I'll 
give you the nod ;)

On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:02:29 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-23 Thread dougP
Mathew:

Excellent first post.  You've stirred the bubbling pot.  Sometimes things 
get a bit slow in summer when people are spending more time on their 
bikes.  

dougP

On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:02:29 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:

 I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate 
 at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the 
 trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime 
 real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought 
 from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, 
 fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many 
 of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't 
 ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in 
 more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest 
 RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely 
 to be ordered soon. 
  Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that 
 determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but 
 as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble 
 if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as 
 a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, 
 but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a 
 postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same.


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[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

2014-06-22 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Hey there Matthew - 

There's never been a litmus test.  Or a percentage.  Just an interest to 
engage in polite discussion is all that is needed. 

The topics here are definitely narrower than other lists, by design and 
agreement.  But the tone and quality of this group comes entirely from the 
folks who share their stories, knowledge, questions and photographs. We are 
all lucky to have found one another. 

Welcome and enjoy the discussions!

- JIm / list admin

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