[RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
crazy expensive, likewise gorgeous, the lugged Nitto seatpost has the greatest offset http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sp3.htm On Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:08:29 PM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote: All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
Paul's goes back a bit as well: http://www.paulcomp.com/seatpost.html I had trouble with the VO when I had one. It was slightly out of spec and would slip down. I've learned that mine wasn't the only one like that. Just purchased a lugged Nitto one (thanks Chris!) so hope to put that to good use soon! FWIW, the Thomson and regular Nitto 65 posts have the same setback: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/4484143237 On 8/25/13, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: crazy expensive, likewise gorgeous, the lugged Nitto seatpost has the greatest offset http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sp3.htm On Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:08:29 PM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote: All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
How about the setback on the Nitto chrystal fellow? On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:19:30 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Paul's goes back a bit as well: http://www.paulcomp.com/seatpost.html I had trouble with the VO when I had one. It was slightly out of spec and would slip down. I've learned that mine wasn't the only one like that. Just purchased a lugged Nitto one (thanks Chris!) so hope to put that to good use soon! FWIW, the Thomson and regular Nitto 65 posts have the same setback: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/4484143237 On 8/25/13, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: crazy expensive, likewise gorgeous, the lugged Nitto seatpost has the greatest offset http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sp3.htm On Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:08:29 PM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote: All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
Your knees should be over the pedal spindle at 3:00. On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
Whoa, wait a minute! KOPS (= Knee Over Pedal Spindle) is a good place to start a fitting, in the absence of any other general rule, but (as GK Chesterton said, paraphrasing) laws are made to be broken. I prefer this: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm And this (Sheldon and K Bontrager): http://sheldonbrown.com/kops.html Long ago, with my first good bike -- a 1989 toute 531C Falcon with Sante -- I made the horrible mistake of taking KOPS as dogma and, chasing KOPS with a penchant for a high saddle and with an Asian build (short femors) ended up with the travesty of a mtb seatpost (stock not long enough) with saddle *all the way forward* to the point where it slipped *forward* (blue Loctite needed to keep saddle tilted right) and a 140 mm stem extension. Ask me how this bike handled on fast, curving descents in gusty weather. I'd skip the rear wheel while standing on hills. Grant cured me of this affliction circa 1994 when he told me, get your saddle back and your bar up and back.It has been good ever since Get the seatpost you need to get your saddle in the right fore-aft position for the correct relationship with the pedals.THEN get the right stem to get the bar where you need it. Amen and over and out. Patrick preaching the gospel of saddle adjustment FIRST Moore in ABQ, NM On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 4:06 PM, hangtownmatt hangtownm...@yahoo.comwrote: Your knees should be over the pedal spindle at 3:00. On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
I've had good luck with a rubber mallet, push the saddle as far back as you can and then give the nose a couple of good whacks. On Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:08:29 PM UTC-6, Kellie Stapleton wrote: All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
The Only Answer is a seatpost with unusual amounts of setback. Back when I tried a Flyer, I used a seatpost with a pronounced S curve; a quick Google (v, intr) didn't find it. But I daresay there are other possibilities. Brooks saddles don't have as much rearward adjustability as more modern designs. I take it that this is because they were designed back when sub 70* seat tube angles were common. Another good solution is a frame with a 71* seat tube angle -- the Sam HIll has this, IIRC. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Kellie Stapleton kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote: All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment
Personally, don't believe the Kalloy posts get a B-17 back far enough. Tried it last weekend to see if I could tolerate a Brooks again, and the combination of that saddle and post was not good for me or my riding style. Painful on multiple fronts. Have used the VO seatpost in the past when using a B-17. Actually, Patrick, there is a second answer - a bike with a very slack seat tube. Like something in the 67 or 68 degree range.(grin) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Only Answer is a seatpost with unusual amounts of setback. Back when I tried a Flyer, I used a seatpost with a pronounced S curve; a quick Google (v, intr) didn't find it. But I daresay there are other possibilities. Brooks saddles don't have as much rearward adjustability as more modern designs. I take it that this is because they were designed back when sub 70* seat tube angles were common. Another good solution is a frame with a 71* seat tube angle -- the Sam HIll has this, IIRC. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Kellie Stapleton kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote: All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
