[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring
Thanks for the posting, I found it interesting. I use both the early Selle Anatomica, which is a bit narrower than the current offering, and a B17 and like them both very much. My wife, on the other hand, has never found a saddle she likes. They all seem to chafe on the inside parts. From your pictures the Berthoud nose seems to get narrower faster and I wonder if that would work better for her. michael On Jun 23, 9:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I was lucky enough to have a semi-surplus Brooks B17 on hand to trade with Brad (jinxed) for his Swift - thank you. While I was playing musical chairs with the saddles in the stable I decided to take some pictures and measurements comparing my three saddles of choice. The Brooks B17, now a Swift and Berthoud Touring all have seen some time on my bicycle rotation. Detailed post with pictures here: http://wp.me/p19mfs-ql orhttp://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swi... Bottom line, all three are great saddles. The B17 is my go to saddle for bars at saddle height all the way to albatross and sitting bolt upright. The berthoud is my Goldilocks saddle, it is just wide enough to support, but all excess material is out of the way. Likewise it has proven light, durable and waterproof over the last two years and thousands of miles. The Swift being new and firm needs to be broken in. It will reside on my roadeo for a bit as it sees the most miles. Initial impressions after a couple 20 something mile rides is really good, similar to the berthoud it suports you where you need it, but there is nothing left to get in the way when you are bent forward a bit. Rob -http://oceanaircycles.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring
Compared to my B17 and the short stint with a SA, the Bertoud floats between your thighs. The long nose is there to help with steering, but narrow to bring any rub to a screeching halt. For me the SA was the polar opposite, no matter where I had the tension the more triangular shape and skirt edges tore up the back and inside of my thighs. Saddls are so personal and a serious investment for most of us to experiment with, but when you find the right one for you it can be fantastic. Good luck on your quest, the only thing harder than finding the right saddle for you is helping your spouse find one Rob On Jun 23, 6:59 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the posting, I found it interesting. I use both the early Selle Anatomica, which is a bit narrower than the current offering, and a B17 and like them both very much. My wife, on the other hand, has never found a saddle she likes. They all seem to chafe on the inside parts. From your pictures the Berthoud nose seems to get narrower faster and I wonder if that would work better for her. michael On Jun 23, 9:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I was lucky enough to have a semi-surplus Brooks B17 on hand to trade with Brad (jinxed) for his Swift - thank you. While I was playing musical chairs with the saddles in the stable I decided to take some pictures and measurements comparing my three saddles of choice. The Brooks B17, now a Swift and Berthoud Touring all have seen some time on my bicycle rotation. Detailed post with pictures here: http://wp.me/p19mfs-ql orhttp://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swi... Bottom line, all three are great saddles. The B17 is my go to saddle for bars at saddle height all the way to albatross and sitting bolt upright. The berthoud is my Goldilocks saddle, it is just wide enough to support, but all excess material is out of the way. Likewise it has proven light, durable and waterproof over the last two years and thousands of miles. The Swift being new and firm needs to be broken in. It will reside on my roadeo for a bit as it sees the most miles. Initial impressions after a couple 20 something mile rides is really good, similar to the berthoud it suports you where you need it, but there is nothing left to get in the way when you are bent forward a bit. Rob -http://oceanaircycles.com/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring
Man, i really need to spend more seat time in my new berthoud saddle, my b17 is just so much more comfortable, i do indeed feel like the berthoud is floating while the b17 feels like i'm sinking into it. anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud? it's still pretty new, but i just can't get comfortable enough to go for a long ride... On Jun 23, 10:09 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: Compared to my B17 and the short stint with a SA, the Bertoud floats between your thighs. The long nose is there to help with steering, but narrow to bring any rub to a screeching halt. For me the SA was the polar opposite, no matter where I had the tension the more triangular shape and skirt edges tore up the back and inside of my thighs. Saddls are so personal and a serious investment for most of us to experiment with, but when you find the right one for you it can be fantastic. Good luck on your quest, the only thing harder than finding the right saddle for you is helping your spouse find one Rob On Jun 23, 6:59 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the posting, I found it interesting. I use both the early Selle Anatomica, which is a bit narrower than the current offering, and a B17 and like them both very much. My wife, on the other hand, has never found a saddle she likes. They all seem to chafe on the inside parts. From your pictures the Berthoud nose seems to get narrower faster and I wonder if that would work better for her. michael On Jun 23, 9:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I was lucky enough to have a semi-surplus Brooks B17 on hand to trade with Brad (jinxed) for his Swift - thank you. While I was playing musical chairs with the saddles in the stable I decided to take some pictures and measurements comparing my three saddles of choice. The Brooks B17, now a Swift and Berthoud Touring all have seen some time on my bicycle rotation. Detailed post with pictures here: http://wp.me/p19mfs-ql orhttp://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swi... Bottom line, all three are great saddles. The B17 is my go to saddle for bars at saddle height all the way to albatross and sitting bolt upright. The berthoud is my Goldilocks saddle, it is just wide enough to support, but all excess material is out of the way. Likewise it has proven light, durable and waterproof over the last two years and thousands of miles. The Swift being new and firm needs to be broken in. It will reside on my roadeo for a bit as it sees the most miles. Initial impressions after a couple 20 something mile rides is really good, similar to the berthoud it suports you where you need it, but there is nothing left to get in the way when you are bent forward a bit. Rob -http://oceanaircycles.com/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring
I have a Swift, and really like. More than the Team Pro which I just couldn't work with. The Swift seems to have a flatter top, which compliments someone used to a B17. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Man, i really need to spend more seat time in my new berthoud saddle, my b17 is just so much more comfortable, i do indeed feel like the berthoud is floating while the b17 feels like i'm sinking into it. anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud? it's still pretty new, but i just can't get comfortable enough to go for a long ride... On Jun 23, 10:09 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: Compared to my B17 and the short stint with a SA, the Bertoud floats between your thighs. The long nose is there to help with steering, but narrow to bring any rub to a screeching halt. For me the SA was the polar opposite, no matter where I had the tension the more triangular shape and skirt edges tore up the back and inside of my thighs. Saddls are so personal and a serious investment for most of us to experiment with, but when you find the right one for you it can be fantastic. Good luck on your quest, the only thing harder than finding the right saddle for you is helping your spouse find one Rob On Jun 23, 6:59 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the posting, I found it interesting. I use both the early Selle Anatomica, which is a bit narrower than the current offering, and a B17 and like them both very much. My wife, on the other hand, has never found a saddle she likes. They all seem to chafe on the inside parts. From your pictures the Berthoud nose seems to get narrower faster and I wonder if that would work better for her. michael On Jun 23, 9:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I was lucky enough to have a semi-surplus Brooks B17 on hand to trade with Brad (jinxed) for his Swift - thank you. While I was playing musical chairs with the saddles in the stable I decided to take some pictures and measurements comparing my three saddles of choice. The Brooks B17, now a Swift and Berthoud Touring all have seen some time on my bicycle rotation. Detailed post with pictures here: http://wp.me/p19mfs-ql orhttp:// oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swi... Bottom line, all three are great saddles. The B17 is my go to saddle for bars at saddle height all the way to albatross and sitting bolt upright. The berthoud is my Goldilocks saddle, it is just wide enough to support, but all excess material is out of the way. Likewise it has proven light, durable and waterproof over the last two years and thousands of miles. The Swift being new and firm needs to be broken in. It will reside on my roadeo for a bit as it sees the most miles. Initial impressions after a couple 20 something mile rides is really good, similar to the berthoud it suports you where you need it, but there is nothing left to get in the way when you are bent forward a bit. Rob -http://oceanaircycles.com/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud? it's still pretty new, but i just can't get comfortable enough to go for a long ride... I have a B-17 Special on my Quickbeam and a Berthoud Aspin (touring model) on my multi-geared bike. Both have a similar drop of about 2 cm from the saddle to the bars. I find that I have to position the Berthoud saddle a little more level than I do the B-17, which has the typical nose-tilted-up set-up. FWIW, both saddles feel comfortable, though different, to me. Best, Lee SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring
I thought the Berthoud Touring was THE ONE til I did a 600K on it. It became unbearable after 300 miles. I think it's just a bit too narrow for me, especially once fatigue sets in and more weight gets supported by my butt rather than my legs. Back to the B17 for me, at least for long rides. I wish Berthoud would make a b17 copy since their quality and design (easy to dismantle and replace individual bits) is vastly superior, IMO. Cheers, Ryan On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:19, Lee Chae leec...@stanford.edu wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud? it's still pretty new, but i just can't get comfortable enough to go for a long ride... I have a B-17 Special on my Quickbeam and a Berthoud Aspin (touring model) on my multi-geared bike. Both have a similar drop of about 2 cm from the saddle to the bars. I find that I have to position the Berthoud saddle a little more level than I do the B-17, which has the typical nose-tilted-up set-up. FWIW, both saddles feel comfortable, though different, to me. Best, Lee SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring
I like the Berthoud Touring, for rides up to about 50-60 miles. For those longer rides, the B17 just shines. The Berthoud is flatter than the B17 across the top. I have my Berthoud set up just slightly nose up. All my bikes are handlebar height equal to or up to inch below saddle height. I tried a Swift for awhile, but never found it near as comfortable as the other two saddles It was OK for short rides say up to 30 miles. My son likes it on his single speed. Its a bit strange to me that my bike tastes are trickling down to my sons; strange but flattering. Then again I lose re-saleable items such as lightly used Swifts. On Jun 23, 10:51 am, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Man, i really need to spend more seat time in my new berthoud saddle, my b17 is just so much more comfortable, i do indeed feel like the berthoud is floating while the b17 feels like i'm sinking into it. anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud? it's still pretty new, but i just can't get comfortable enough to go for a long ride... On Jun 23, 10:09 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: Compared to my B17 and the short stint with a SA, the Bertoud floats between your thighs. The long nose is there to help with steering, but narrow to bring any rub to a screeching halt. For me the SA was the polar opposite, no matter where I had the tension the more triangular shape and skirt edges tore up the back and inside of my thighs. Saddls are so personal and a serious investment for most of us to experiment with, but when you find the right one for you it can be fantastic. Good luck on your quest, the only thing harder than finding the right saddle for you is helping your spouse find one Rob On Jun 23, 6:59 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the posting, I found it interesting. I use both the early Selle Anatomica, which is a bit narrower than the current offering, and a B17 and like them both very much. My wife, on the other hand, has never found a saddle she likes. They all seem to chafe on the inside parts. From your pictures the Berthoud nose seems to get narrower faster and I wonder if that would work better for her. michael On Jun 23, 9:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I was lucky enough to have a semi-surplus Brooks B17 on hand to trade with Brad (jinxed) for his Swift - thank you. While I was playing musical chairs with the saddles in the stable I decided to take some pictures and measurements comparing my three saddles of choice. The Brooks B17, now a Swift and Berthoud Touring all have seen some time on my bicycle rotation. Detailed post with pictures here: http://wp.me/p19mfs-ql orhttp://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swi... Bottom line, all three are great saddles. The B17 is my go to saddle for bars at saddle height all the way to albatross and sitting bolt upright. The berthoud is my Goldilocks saddle, it is just wide enough to support, but all excess material is out of the way. Likewise it has proven light, durable and waterproof over the last two years and thousands of miles. The Swift being new and firm needs to be broken in. It will reside on my roadeo for a bit as it sees the most miles. Initial impressions after a couple 20 something mile rides is really good, similar to the berthoud it suports you where you need it, but there is nothing left to get in the way when you are bent forward a bit. Rob -http://oceanaircycles.com/-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
