[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-21 Thread Earl Grey
Perhaps have a mechanic friend look at how they are set up. I have them on two 
bikes, 4 years on one, 2 years on the other, with zero adjustments since the 
initial set up. I love these brakes. 

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-21 Thread Earl Grey
In case it matters to your decision making process, the mini can probably carry 
a lot more weight. 

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-21 Thread Phil Bickford


On Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:28:17 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I recently bought an almost new Saluki, advertised on this site. There 
 should have been a bidding war for this bike, but that's another question. 
   This bike is drop dead gorgeous and I am looking forward to the end of 
 Mud Season here in Vermont to take it out on the road.  Meanwhile I have 
 been working on a few, unfortunately, necessary changes.  The stem / TT 
 combination is too long for me and unfortunately had to be changed out from 
 a beautiful Nitto Pearl.  That went straight forward.

 But the brake  rack combination has created some perplexity.  The bike 
 came with a pair of Tektro brakes, identical to the ones RIV sells, except 
 a high polish finish; and a VO rack 


 Michael - This might be too late, but is this what you had in mind?
file://localhost/Users/philbickford/Desktop/Saluki%20Frt%201.jpg
Phil B
 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-21 Thread Michael Hechmer
Thanks Phil, but I can't open that link.  

I'm currently finishing up a big home improvement project then expecting to 
be away for two weeks, so not moving forward on bike projects with any 
speed.  For now I have implemented the spacer solution.  When I return from 
vacation I will offer my Ebisu for sale with a small Nitto rack.  If it 
doesn't sell as a whole i will break it up into pieces, put the nitto on 
the saluki and sell the VO rack.  I'll also be selling my '83 Trek 620.

Michael

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:59:49 PM UTC-4, Phil Bickford wrote:



 On Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:28:17 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I recently bought an almost new Saluki, advertised on this site. There 
 should have been a bidding war for this bike, but that's another question. 
   This bike is drop dead gorgeous and I am looking forward to the end of 
 Mud Season here in Vermont to take it out on the road.  Meanwhile I have 
 been working on a few, unfortunately, necessary changes.  The stem / TT 
 combination is too long for me and unfortunately had to be changed out from 
 a beautiful Nitto Pearl.  That went straight forward.

 But the brake  rack combination has created some perplexity.  The bike 
 came with a pair of Tektro brakes, identical to the ones RIV sells, except 
 a high polish finish; and a VO rack 


 Michael - This might be too late, but is this what you had in mind?
 file://localhost/Users/philbickford/Desktop/Saluki%20Frt%201.jpg
 Phil B
  


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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-21 Thread Phil Bickford
How about this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55586106@N00/8579018658/in/photostream


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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-18 Thread Ron Mc
Michael, sorry I can't help, but you've helped me.  I have the same brakes 
and rack on my daughter's bike.  
I don't like the Tektros much, because they seem to require too much 
attention - they have to be adjusted every time the weather changes.  
I was thinking about the Pauls, but you've convinced me to live with the 
adjustments.  

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-18 Thread William
It would be cool if you could get the canti-post struts separately so you 
could run a Mark's Rack with the canti-post mounting, but still had 
adjustable struts so you could accommodate high-stack brakes, like the 
Pauls.  Unfortunately, it looks like you can only buy those struts in 70mm 
an 120mm lengths, which is not going to be long enough.  That would have 
been a slick setup.  

http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=7978



On Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:25:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I would advise ditching the Paul brakes.  The Tektros are fine and will 
 play nice with the rack.  If you have mid fork braze ons so that a Nitto 
 Mini Front would fit, then that could present an option, but an M12 won't 
 be any better on Paul brakes than that VO is.  Paul has way too much stack 
 up.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-18 Thread Michael Hechmer
Thanks for all the help; it both clarified the issues and lifted me out of 
a stuck place.

I had thought about the spacer solution, but living out in the boonies I 
thought tracking down an M5x35 allen head bolt and a 20 mm spacer seemed 
unlikely.  As luck would have it, I had to go into town ( 45 miles round 
trip) today and much to my surprise  Sticks and Stuff actually had the 
parts I needed!

Jetising the Paul's was never really an option, one because they are the 
easiest cantis to set up and live with ever and two because I owe them my 
life, literally.  (Stopped alive in front of the dreaded right hook.) 
 Anyway almost all my bikes have Paul's brakes - the Ram has Racer Ms and 
the tandem studed Racers.  Only my old racing bike has Chorus, and my 
wife's has Superbe.

Anyway things are back together, but I am still wondering if I wouldn't be 
better off swapping the rack with the Nitto Mini ( I misspoke when I wrote 
M12) which is now on the Ebisu I am preparing for sale.  One bolts to the 
fork and one to the brake.

Michael

On Monday, March 18, 2013 2:06:56 PM UTC-4, William wrote:

 It would be cool if you could get the canti-post struts separately so you 
 could run a Mark's Rack with the canti-post mounting, but still had 
 adjustable struts so you could accommodate high-stack brakes, like the 
 Pauls.  Unfortunately, it looks like you can only buy those struts in 70mm 
 an 120mm lengths, which is not going to be long enough.  That would have 
 been a slick setup.  

 http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=7978



 On Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:25:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I would advise ditching the Paul brakes.  The Tektros are fine and will 
 play nice with the rack.  If you have mid fork braze ons so that a Nitto 
 Mini Front would fit, then that could present an option, but an M12 won't 
 be any better on Paul brakes than that VO is.  Paul has way too much stack 
 up.



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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-18 Thread William
Oh, yes!  If your 'luki has the mid-fork braze-ons and you have a Nitto 
Mini rack already, absolutely go that route.  

On Monday, March 18, 2013 3:24:50 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Thanks for all the help; it both clarified the issues and lifted me out of 
 a stuck place.

 I had thought about the spacer solution, but living out in the boonies I 
 thought tracking down an M5x35 allen head bolt and a 20 mm spacer seemed 
 unlikely.  As luck would have it, I had to go into town ( 45 miles round 
 trip) today and much to my surprise  Sticks and Stuff actually had the 
 parts I needed!

 Jetising the Paul's was never really an option, one because they are the 
 easiest cantis to set up and live with ever and two because I owe them my 
 life, literally.  (Stopped alive in front of the dreaded right hook.) 
  Anyway almost all my bikes have Paul's brakes - the Ram has Racer Ms and 
 the tandem studed Racers.  Only my old racing bike has Chorus, and my 
 wife's has Superbe.

 Anyway things are back together, but I am still wondering if I wouldn't be 
 better off swapping the rack with the Nitto Mini ( I misspoke when I wrote 
 M12) which is now on the Ebisu I am preparing for sale.  One bolts to the 
 fork and one to the brake.

 Michael

 On Monday, March 18, 2013 2:06:56 PM UTC-4, William wrote:

 It would be cool if you could get the canti-post struts separately so you 
 could run a Mark's Rack with the canti-post mounting, but still had 
 adjustable struts so you could accommodate high-stack brakes, like the 
 Pauls.  Unfortunately, it looks like you can only buy those struts in 70mm 
 an 120mm lengths, which is not going to be long enough.  That would have 
 been a slick setup.  

 http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=7978



 On Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:25:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I would advise ditching the Paul brakes.  The Tektros are fine and will 
 play nice with the rack.  If you have mid fork braze ons so that a Nitto 
 Mini Front would fit, then that could present an option, but an M12 won't 
 be any better on Paul brakes than that VO is.  Paul has way too much stack 
 up.



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[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

2013-03-17 Thread Joe Bernard
I tend to fall in the if it ain't broke, don't fix it camp. I would keep 
the Tektros and put the Pauls on something else.

On Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:28:17 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I recently bought an almost new Saluki, advertised on this site. There 
 should have been a bidding war for this bike, but that's another question. 
   This bike is drop dead gorgeous and I am looking forward to the end of 
 Mud Season here in Vermont to take it out on the road.  Meanwhile I have 
 been working on a few, unfortunately, necessary changes.  The stem / TT 
 combination is too long for me and unfortunately had to be changed out from 
 a beautiful Nitto Pearl.  That went straight forward.

 But the brake  rack combination has created some perplexity.  The bike 
 came with a pair of Tektro brakes, identical to the ones RIV sells, except 
 a high polish finish; and a VO rack ( 
 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/pass-hunter-front-rack-with-integrated-decaleur.html)
  which mounts through the canti brakes.  It also has a set of VO AL 
 fenders which are bolted to the fenders.

 I wanted to swap the brakes for my Neo Retros, which first required a new 
 mounting bolt, which I obtained from Pauls.  But when I mounted them on the 
 bile I found that the rack no longer mated with the fender.  Apparently the 
 Paul bolt is beefier and longer than the VO version.  As a result the rack 
 sits about an inch or more above the fenders.

 This presents me with some options

   A: Can I bend the rack to fit?  This doesn't look easy.
   B: Ignore the problem and the connection between the rack and front 
 fender.
   C: Sell the rack and use an M12 mounted to the fork braise ons, which 
 will probably create a different contact point on the fender.
   D: Abandon the Pauls brakes.



 Help wanted.

 Michael
  


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