[RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[tc]

I guess PW doesn't sell'em any more, but I've seen resellers that have 
them.  Thanks for the tip, Wally!

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 7:23:34 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> PW also sells the 'chrome dome'.  These have a larger diameter to get more 
> surface bite to prevent slipping forward.
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> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:44:28 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Amplifying what Phil said, I do not think of the Tuggnut as a tension 
>> adjuster.  I think of the Tuggnut as a slip-prevention device.  The OP 
>> shows a photo of a White Industries Dos Eno Freewheel on the bike, and what 
>> appear to be Phil allen head axle nuts.  In order to use both gears, you 
>> need a way to make the chain loose so you can switch the chain to the other 
>> gear.  A Tuggnut would be an impediment for that use-case.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't (and wouldn't) use a tug nut with a fixed gear. 
>>> I think I use my knees, like Patrick, as the two extra hands. Easiest 
>>> with a QR and no fenders, but still easy enough. I do a think where I 
>>> half-snug the left nut, then push the wheel toward the chain to center the 
>>> wheel and tension the chain. Then I snug the right nut, and full-snug the 
>>> left nut. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[Wally Estrella]

PW also sells the 'chrome dome'.  These have a larger diameter to get more 
surface bite to prevent slipping forward.







On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:44:28 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Amplifying what Phil said, I do not think of the Tuggnut as a tension 
> adjuster.  I think of the Tuggnut as a slip-prevention device.  The OP 
> shows a photo of a White Industries Dos Eno Freewheel on the bike, and what 
> appear to be Phil allen head axle nuts.  In order to use both gears, you 
> need a way to make the chain loose so you can switch the chain to the other 
> gear.  A Tuggnut would be an impediment for that use-case.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I don't (and wouldn't) use a tug nut with a fixed gear. 
>> I think I use my knees, like Patrick, as the two extra hands. Easiest 
>> with a QR and no fenders, but still easy enough. I do a think where I 
>> half-snug the left nut, then push the wheel toward the chain to center the 
>> wheel and tension the chain. Then I snug the right nut, and full-snug the 
>> left nut. 
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[Bill Lindsay]

Amplifying what Phil said, I do not think of the Tuggnut as a tension 
adjuster.  I think of the Tuggnut as a slip-prevention device.  The OP 
shows a photo of a White Industries Dos Eno Freewheel on the bike, and what 
appear to be Phil allen head axle nuts.  In order to use both gears, you 
need a way to make the chain loose so you can switch the chain to the other 
gear.  A Tuggnut would be an impediment for that use-case.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I don't (and wouldn't) use a tug nut with a fixed gear. 
> I think I use my knees, like Patrick, as the two extra hands. Easiest with 
> a QR and no fenders, but still easy enough. I do a think where I half-snug 
> the left nut, then push the wheel toward the chain to center the wheel and 
> tension the chain. Then I snug the right nut, and full-snug the left nut. 
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[tc]

Oh man, this is more great info - Can’t wait to try it out. Thanks!

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[Eric Daume]

Sheldon has a method for this:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/no-derailers.html

*Start by installing the wheel at approximately the correct position and
tightening the axle nuts. They don't need to be super tight at this stage,
but should more than finger tight. Check the chain tension and wheel
alignment.*

*Most likely, the chain will be a bit loose, but perhaps the wheel is
correctly aligned. Loosen the right-side axle nut and push the tire to the
side so that the right end of the axle moves to the rear, then tighten the
axle nut you loosened.*

*Now the chain tension should be better, but the wheel is no longer
centered between the chainstays. Loosen the left-side axle nut and
re-center the wheel in the frame. This will tighten the chain a little bit
more. Repeat as needed. The key is to keep one or the other of the axle
nuts tight at all times, and "walk" the wheel forward and back. This takes
a bit of practice and getting used to how much axle movement is needed to
adjust a given amount of chain droop, but it isn't really hard as long as
you keep one side secured at all times.*


Eric
Plain City, OH
who has no bolt on fixed gear wheels

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Brad  wrote:

> I used to have a Quickbeam and I used the same technique that Philip
> describes (except backward). My process:
>
> Make sure both nuts are loose.
> Stand behind the bike and grab the front of the rear wheel with your left
> hand.
> Gently pull the wheel back and to the right (push it up against the right
> chainstay.
> Tighten the right track nut.
> Pull the wheel so it's centered between the chainstays and tighten the
> left track nut.
> The chain should have a little slack so when the wheel gets pulled left,
> the chain gets pulled to the proper tension.
> Give both nuts one more good tightening.
>
> The chain should move up and down about a half inch when the tension is
> right.
> Once you get a feel for the process, you should be able to get in right in
> one or two tries. I'm pretty sure I got this technique from Sheldon Brown
> (as will almost everything I know about bikes!)
>
> Like everyone else said, you shouldn't need chain tensioners with a
> freewheel.
>
> Brad
> Queens
>
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:04:12 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I don't (and wouldn't) use a tug nut with a fixed gear.
>> I think I use my knees, like Patrick, as the two extra hands. Easiest
>> with a QR and no fenders, but still easy enough. I do a think where I
>> half-snug the left nut, then push the wheel toward the chain to center the
>> wheel and tension the chain. Then I snug the right nut, and full-snug the
>> left nut.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 8:51:28 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone used a Surly Tuggnut
>>> 
>>> tensioner?  If not, what gadget or method have you found useful that
>>> requires only 2 hands to properly tension a single speed chain?  I watched 
>>> this
>>> pretty good video  by Park Tool.Being new
>>> to setting up a single speed, getting tension right was a bit of a
>>> four-handed chore.  Hoping the Tuggnut or something similar will help.
>>> Thanks for any wisdom!
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[Brad]

I used to have a Quickbeam and I used the same technique that Philip 
describes (except backward). My process:

Make sure both nuts are loose.
Stand behind the bike and grab the front of the rear wheel with your left 
hand.
Gently pull the wheel back and to the right (push it up against the right 
chainstay.
Tighten the right track nut.
Pull the wheel so it's centered between the chainstays and tighten the left 
track nut.
The chain should have a little slack so when the wheel gets pulled left, 
the chain gets pulled to the proper tension.
Give both nuts one more good tightening. 

The chain should move up and down about a half inch when the tension is 
right.
Once you get a feel for the process, you should be able to get in right in 
one or two tries. I'm pretty sure I got this technique from Sheldon Brown 
(as will almost everything I know about bikes!)

Like everyone else said, you shouldn't need chain tensioners with a 
freewheel.

Brad
Queens


On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:04:12 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I don't (and wouldn't) use a tug nut with a fixed gear. 
> I think I use my knees, like Patrick, as the two extra hands. Easiest with 
> a QR and no fenders, but still easy enough. I do a think where I half-snug 
> the left nut, then push the wheel toward the chain to center the wheel and 
> tension the chain. Then I snug the right nut, and full-snug the left nut. 
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 8:51:28 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone used a Surly Tuggnut 
>>  
>> tensioner?  If not, what gadget or method have you found useful that 
>> requires only 2 hands to properly tension a single speed chain?  I watched 
>> this 
>> pretty good video  by Park Tool.Being new 
>> to setting up a single speed, getting tension right was a bit of a 
>> four-handed chore.  Hoping the Tuggnut or something similar will help.  
>> Thanks for any wisdom!
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
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>> 
>>
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>> 
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>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[jandrews_nyc]

The OP's query is an interesting one though...When is it advisable to use a 
chain tensioning adjuster device on the rear dropouts/trackends of a single 
speed bike...(not fixed gear)?
Is the general assumption that good quality QR skewers and bolt-on's alike 
are both strong enough to really keep the tension of the chain correct?
I remember seeing someone's Simpleone on this list who used the MKS 
adjusters in the dropouts.
I tried something similar with my QB/SO when adding an Origin8 derailleur 
hanger/tension adjuster to make it a multispeed bike but I found that since 
the dropouts aren't horizontal and are pitched up at an angle, the whole 
thing didn't work out all that well for that application.




On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-5, christian poppell wrote:
>
> I second the Phillip method of tightening the chain. It's even possible to 
> get the chain too tight! Do it a few times and you'll get a feel for it. 
> One additional thing I do is to put a toe strap through the front wheel and 
> frame to keep it from flopping around. This way you can push forward on the 
> bike to lift it onto the front wheel. Hope that helps!

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[RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[christian poppell]

I second the Phillip method of tightening the chain. It's even possible to get 
the chain too tight! Do it a few times and you'll get a feel for it. One 
additional thing I do is to put a toe strap through the front wheel and frame 
to keep it from flopping around. This way you can push forward on the bike to 
lift it onto the front wheel. Hope that helps!

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[RBW] Re: Surly Tuggnut on SimpleOne?

[Philip Williamson]

I don't (and wouldn't) use a tug nut with a fixed gear. 
I think I use my knees, like Patrick, as the two extra hands. Easiest with 
a QR and no fenders, but still easy enough. I do a think where I half-snug 
the left nut, then push the wheel toward the chain to center the wheel and 
tension the chain. Then I snug the right nut, and full-snug the left nut. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 8:51:28 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Has anyone used a Surly Tuggnut 
>  
> tensioner?  If not, what gadget or method have you found useful that 
> requires only 2 hands to properly tension a single speed chain?  I watched 
> this 
> pretty good video  by Park Tool.Being new 
> to setting up a single speed, getting tension right was a bit of a 
> four-handed chore.  Hoping the Tuggnut or something similar will help.  
> Thanks for any wisdom!
>
> Tom
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
 

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