[RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
Well, if everything works out, I'll just keep it the way it is. And I like the fact that the bike shows a 4-fingered-fistful of seatpost on it. Bosco's would definitely do the trick. They give you more rise and a handful more bar reaching rearward over the Albii. I don't really wanna downsize anyway. Just thinking about it. But I think Bosco's would be the way to go. Then I could use a 10cm stem and look like a hip Walnut Creeker! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
Bars are all the way up. Saddle in KOPS. I don't have a great way to confidently articulate the possible biomechanical issues with Albas such as I've experienced in the past, so I'll ask: Have you tried scooting the seat back so you're a couple of centimeters behind KOPS? If so, have you tilted the nose up on the saddle any? And finally, have you played around with *lowering* the bars a bit so that the top of the stem is somewhere near level with the nose of the saddle? Reason I ask is that my bike currently sports Albatross bars, and I when I first got 'em, I couldn't for the life of me get comfortable in a truly bolt upright position. As my back approached 90 degrees with top tube, a whole 'nother subset of core muscles seemed to take over, and my arms felt very limited and useless. They felt kinda short. I found that by slowly playing with the seat setback, and dialing in the height of the bars to slightly lower than I'd seen in most Riv-esque pics where they're almost in your lap, I felt like I was able to engage a more comfortable range of core muscles, and being further over the top tube with the bars further away, my reach felt extended. My hands are now comfortable in all the Alba positions, but I find that probably 2/3 of the time I've got my palm up against the back of the brake levers, and a finger or two in front of them. I'm only really totally grips-in-hand when I'm shifting, making myself seen in traffic, or idly cruuising. Anyhoo, just my experience with Albas. Your mileage may vary, as mine are measured in kilometers. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
I would tend to agree with your assessment. I run my saddle at 70cm on a 53 Bleriot, and would need at least a 12cm stem for Albas. If an 8 still has you too far away, you need a shorter toptube. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:43:11 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Not at all. Thanks for asking. I need a really short reach to the bars - drops or otherwise. For instance: I use a 6cm extension Tech Deluxe stem on my Sam with Noodle drops. Perfect. Love it. *As for the Bleriot:* Right now, I have an 8cm Tallux with Albas on my Bleriot. Very short by RBW standards. But still feel the need to get closer. Perhaps the 55 frame is too big for me. Bars are all the way up. Saddle in KOPS. So I can't really get any closer. I hesitate to go 6cm extension Technomic stem with Albas on it for fear of being too close effecting the handling somehow. But of course, plenty of Alba-like Raleighs from the 50's and 60's had stems with virtually no extensions on them. So it may work. Also, the two people at RBW I have communicated with in the past had very negative responses at the mention of using short extension stems. I don't know why they are aghast at them, since RBW is reputed to be about function. This makes me feel like I am doing something wrong with their bikes, or something is wrong with me. I don't get it. Some people just have shorter trunks and arms than others. Makes me hesitate going to a 6cm stem extension. Maybe it will be great?? Who knows? But if I can't work it out, I thought about maybe downsizing to the 53. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
Lower your stem by 2 cm to simulate the bar height drop that a smaller frame would have. If you can't tell much difference, lower it 2 cm more. When I recently lowered the stem on one of my bikes I was surprised to find that it made it feel smaller. I was expecting the opposite, and had to install a longer stem to make the reach feel the same. Jon On Friday, November 15, 2013 2:43:11 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Not at all. Thanks for asking. I need a really short reach to the bars - drops or otherwise. For instance: I use a 6cm extension Tech Deluxe stem on my Sam with Noodle drops. Perfect. Love it. *As for the Bleriot:* Right now, I have an 8cm Tallux with Albas on my Bleriot. Very short by RBW standards. But still feel the need to get closer. Perhaps the 55 frame is too big for me. Bars are all the way up. Saddle in KOPS. So I can't really get any closer. I hesitate to go 6cm extension Technomic stem with Albas on it for fear of being too close effecting the handling somehow. But of course, plenty of Alba-like Raleighs from the 50's and 60's had stems with virtually no extensions on them. So it may work. Also, the two people at RBW I have communicated with in the past had very negative responses at the mention of using short extension stems. I don't know why they are aghast at them, since RBW is reputed to be about function. This makes me feel like I am doing something wrong with their bikes, or something is wrong with me. I don't get it. Some people just have shorter trunks and arms than others. Makes me hesitate going to a 6cm stem extension. Maybe it will be great?? Who knows? But if I can't work it out, I thought about maybe downsizing to the 53. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
Ok, so for further explanation: 55 now has: Tech deluxe stem up at maxheight. Saddle height at 71cm (bb-top of saddle). For the 53 I will use: Same bars/stem assembly from the 55 at maxheight on the 53. Same 71cm measurement for saddle height. So will I have less bar height than the 55, in theory, because the 53 is a smaller frame than the 55? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
The head tube will be approximately 20mm shorter, same as the seat tube (unless top tube angle changes). Your saddle height won't change, but if you're maxing out the stem on the 55, it will be 20mm lower on the 53. On 11/14/13, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so for further explanation: 55 now has: Tech deluxe stem up at maxheight. Saddle height at 71cm (bb-top of saddle). For the 53 I will use: Same bars/stem assembly from the 55 at maxheight on the 53. Same 71cm measurement for saddle height. So will I have less bar height than the 55, in theory, because the 53 is a smaller frame than the 55? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
Now to c*ompletely* confuse things..the saddle height will be the same, but the bars will be slightly lower *and* closer. There's a good chance the reduced distance will cancel the reduced height, leaving your body in the same position. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:17:27 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: The head tube will be approximately 20mm shorter, same as the seat tube (unless top tube angle changes). Your saddle height won't change, but if you're maxing out the stem on the 55, it will be 20mm lower on the 53. On 11/14/13, Michael john1...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Ok, so for further explanation: 55 now has: Tech deluxe stem up at maxheight. Saddle height at 71cm (bb-top of saddle). For the 53 I will use: Same bars/stem assembly from the 55 at maxheight on the 53. Same 71cm measurement for saddle height. So will I have less bar height than the 55, in theory, because the 53 is a smaller frame than the 55? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
Forgive me for asking a question which has possibly been answered elsewhere, but what issues are you trying to resolve by going with the smaller frame? Only reason I ask is that I've never been on too big a frame, but I've been on plenty that were too small. In my personal experience, there's been upright, and there's been *cramped*and upright. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: T or F about trading down a size on Bleriot
Not at all. Thanks for asking. I need a really short reach to the bars - drops or otherwise. For instance: I use a 6cm extension Tech Deluxe stem on my Sam with Noodle drops. Perfect. Love it. *As for the Bleriot:* Right now, I have an 8cm Tallux with Albas on my Bleriot. Very short by RBW standards. But still feel the need to get closer. Perhaps the 55 frame is too big for me. Bars are all the way up. Saddle in KOPS. So I can't really get any closer. I hesitate to go 6cm extension Technomic stem with Albas on it for fear of being too close effecting the handling somehow. But of course, plenty of Alba-like Raleighs from the 50's and 60's had stems with virtually no extensions on them. So it may work. Also, the two people at RBW I have communicated with in the past had very negative responses at the mention of using short extension stems. I don't know why they are aghast at them, since RBW is reputed to be about function. This makes me feel like I am doing something wrong with their bikes, or something is wrong with me. I don't get it. Some people just have shorter trunks and arms than others. Makes me hesitate going to a 6cm stem extension. Maybe it will be great?? Who knows? But if I can't work it out, I thought about maybe downsizing to the 53. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
