[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Lungimsam]

Hi Steve,

Personally I love drop bars. They are my favorite bars to use. :)

The bike falling over can move a lever out of place. Then it is up to the 
rider if it matters to them or not how perfect they realign it, and the 
procedure they use.

Drops are not, in and of themselves, hard to set up. During setup, one can 
take it to any level of neuroticism one wants when getting the hoods 
aligned. I am a neurotic setter-upper, so for me they are an involved task, 
self-imposed as it is.

Apologies if I confused others and misrepresented the task.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/29/2016 01:08 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

Nothing on initial build.
But if your levers ever need relevelling, you have to remove all levers housing 
and bartape to repeat the levelling process to get an accurate result.



And how would something like that happen?   I can tell you this: I've 
been using drop bars for over 40 years and have never had that happen.  
I've slightly repositioned levers a couple of times, and did it without 
removing the bar wrap, but have never had to remove everything to go 
through any kind of arduous process.


I get it that some folks don't like drop bars.  That's fine; they should 
use what they like.  I know what works for me, and it really doesn't 
bother me if people use something different.  But let's not try to make 
out like drop bars are somehow incredibly difficult to set up and use, 
because they're not.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Lungimsam]

Nothing on initial build.
But if your levers ever need relevelling, you have to remove all levers housing 
and bartape to repeat the levelling process to get an accurate result.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Steve Palincsar]

What was so hard about that?


On 09/29/2016 10:29 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

@Steve:
https://youtu.be/oEUm3VzF_Z0



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Lungimsam]

@Steve:
https://youtu.be/oEUm3VzF_Z0

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

You have corrupted this beautiful thread!

There are no drop bars on my Cheviot! :-)

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 6:55 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Drop bars *must* be set up so that the ends of the hooks are *perfectly* 
> parallel
> to *terra firma** or *you will* go to Hell. Or your hands will. Or mine
> will. At least the left one.
>
> * Or just the very slightest downward tilt. *Slightest.*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:07 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
>>  Regardless of the handlebar(or *anything* else), mine have never
>> had a certified tag from The Absolute stating with absolute authority
>> "these bars must be set up just as I say, or else you absolutely WILL
>> suffer the consequences, though I won't tell you exactly what you will
>> suffer from just yetjust be constantly afraid of me and do as I say and
>> we're good, have a nice day  !"
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Patrick Moore]

Drop bars *must* be set up so that the ends of the hooks are
*perfectly* parallel
to *terra firma** or *you will* go to Hell. Or your hands will. Or mine
will. At least the left one.

* Or just the very slightest downward tilt. *Slightest.*



On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:07 AM, Garth  wrote:

>  Regardless of the handlebar(or *anything* else), mine have never had
> a certified tag from The Absolute stating with absolute authority "these
> bars must be set up just as I say, or else you absolutely WILL suffer the
> consequences, though I won't tell you exactly what you will suffer from
> just yetjust be constantly afraid of me and do as I say and we're good,
> have a nice day  !"
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Garth]

 Regardless of the handlebar(or *anything* else), mine have never had a 
certified tag from The Absolute stating with absolute authority "these bars 
must be set up just as I say, or else you absolutely WILL suffer the 
consequences, though I won't tell you exactly what you will suffer from 
just yetjust be constantly afraid of me and do as I say and we're good, 
have a nice day  !"

 No heart would or could ever consider this of themselves or another. 

Riding is no different than Life, A Celebration 
!   :)



On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 5:51:35 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 09/27/2016 05:04 PM, Lungimsam wrote: 
> > One thing about upright bars is that they are so easy yo set up. No need 
> to level and center things perfectly like on drop setups. 
> > 
>
> Level and center things perfectly?  Whatever do you mean? 
>
> Another thing about upright bars is that they are "easy" because they 
> are impossible to set up to be comfortable for distance riding and not 
> cause hand numbness.  Nothing you do makes any difference, so you don't 
> waste a lot of time trying.  That's my experience. 
>

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

Yeah, jet lagged and working a lot! ;-)

On Thursday, September 29, 2016, LeahFoy  wrote:

> Well, are you in Moscow? If not, more words and pictures are expected!
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[LeahFoy]

Well, are you in Moscow? If not, more words and pictures are expected!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/27/2016 05:04 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

One thing about upright bars is that they are so easy yo set up. No need to 
level and center things perfectly like on drop setups.



Level and center things perfectly?  Whatever do you mean?

Another thing about upright bars is that they are "easy" because they 
are impossible to set up to be comfortable for distance riding and not 
cause hand numbness.  Nothing you do makes any difference, so you don't 
waste a lot of time trying.  That's my experience.


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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Austin ^]

Very nice setup all around, I really like that quill mount for the shifters 
as well! 

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Lungimsam]

One thing about upright bars is that they are so easy yo set up. No need to 
level and center things perfectly like on drop setups.

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

They're a perfect fit for me. I tested a Chicomoose which I just purchased
but it seemed the ends were too close to me and restrictive. I couldn't
figure out how to set up the shifters so decided to postpone that test and
install the complete cockpit from the Betty. It feels even more perfect on
the Cheviot. Might still try the Chocomoose, but it seems doubtful those
will be an improvement over the Ahearne bars.

René

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> I find it interesting that you are using the Ahearne bars.  I have the
> Nitto and Soma versions of that bar on 2 of my other bikes and for a while
> that was my default go-to bar.  I wouldn't have thought that it would fit
> well on a Cheviot just due to not much back sweep.  I recently a Cheviot
> and if the Albatross bars don't feel wonderful I might give those a try.
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 12:20:26 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday morning I got a call from RBW telling me my new 60cm Betty Blue
>> Cheviot was ready to ship. Wooho!!! I got the confirmation e-mail from RBW,
>> but no e-mail from UPS, which usually comes right away. This morning I
>> "miraculously" had a 2 hour opening in my schedule and called them at
>> 9:00AM before they opened. Will picked up the phone, confirmed my frame
>> hadn't yet shipped, so I told him I'd go pick it up right away. I'm flying
>> to Moscow on business tomorrow evening, so the chance to get the frame,
>> build it up in the afternoon and take it for a ride tomorrow morning was
>> too good to resist.
>>
>> When I arrived at RBW, I was able to also see the other two colors. They
>> have assembled a gray Cheviot and had an orange frame on the counter. Here
>> is my completely subjective evaluation:
>>
>> I was very tempted by the gray frame when I saw it on the photos, but
>> that Betty blue is so unique, that I opted to keep it. Additionally, the
>> Rex is silver, so I didn't want the Cheviot to be too close to it. To my
>> surprise, once assembled, the gray frame sort of disappears. It's much
>> prettier standalone than built; you'd never look at it twice sort of
>> feeling. Apologies if I'm upsetting anyone, this is just my personal
>> assessment.
>>
>> The orange turned out not to be the bright orange of the original series,
>> but a matte dark orange, sort of "brick" orange-like. I have a weird
>> response to the orange frames, but I didn't like this one. I've been
>> attracted to bright orange frames, but feel I'll tire very quickly of the
>> color.
>>
>> The Betty blue, enhanced by the cream, is just fantastic. I have to say
>> that it's much prettier than the actual Betty, which had red accents. I
>> haven't yet compared them side by side, as I took the Betty frame to my
>> office to be able to ship it from there when I sell it, but the blue
>> Cheviot is just incredible.
>>
>> One detail that the new Cheviots have, is that the brake cable braze-ons
>> on the top tube were moved lower, to about a 5 o'clock position viewed from
>> the front. While this change may be a bit nicer for the side pull brakes,
>> it means it's now not possible to route the cable to run a rear Paul
>> centerpull. So I installed the Tektro brakes.
>>
>> I also got a Chocomoose bar to test, but can't quite figure out how to
>> install the reversed thumbie shifters on the inside of the bar without
>> swapping the left for the right, and also a quick test left me a bit
>> "unsure" if I like them, so I installed the cockpit I had on the Betty that
>> I really like: Ahearne bars with the shifters on the quill of the stem.
>>
>> I've just spent all afternoon building it up and am almost ready. No
>> fenders yet, all that work will take place when I'm back home a bit more
>> than a week. Will take it for a ride tomorrow morning and report back with
>> photos.
>>
>> Oh, I'm going to run the Compass 44mm Snoqualmie tires to test. Clearance
>> for those tires and fenders may be a bit reduced, so I may end up running
>> the 38mm Barlow Pass tires. I'm running those on the Atlantis and like them
>> very much.
>>
>> Stay tuned!
>>
>> René
>>
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Bill Lindsay]

Just for fun, here is a photo I snapped in a generic woolen-goods shop in 
Inverness Scotland, last year:

Co-Branding? 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> What a fantastic bike! I cannot believe this is the last batch. I thought 
> it would not be possible, but I like it even more than the Betty. The fact 
> that it's my correct size probably has a lot to do with it. But it's more 
> than that alone. Being able to place the saddle further back (Darn Brooks 
> with its limited rearward positioning), the longer stays, the overall 
> feeling when riding it is pure bliss. Truly just ride!
>
> I rode 14 miles with a friend this morning, then met my wife for breakfast 
> at our favorite place in California Ave., and I was having so much fun that 
> I just didn't want to go back home. Kept riding to Palo Alto Bikes in 
> downtown to show it to my mechanic, then went onwards to Stanford where my 
> oldest daughter just started her MBA and managed to catch her so I took her 
> for brunch as well, although I didn't eat. Then finally rode home, since I 
> had to pack as I'm traveling this evening. 
>
> Some first impressions:
> - Wowed by the B67 Select. I keep wanting to sit a bit further back, but 
> it's quite comfortable and pushed all the way back. I did ride it with 
> padded knickers, but tested it for a short spin on regular shorts and found 
> it comfortable. Especially on the upright (not 100%) position I like. 
> - The Ahearne cockpit with Brooks slender grips is just fantastic. 
> - The shifters on the quill are just perfect for this bike. My mechanic 
> loved the setup. 
> - The 44mm tires are amazing. Tolerances for fenders, as you can see on 
> the photos, will be probably fine, but on the tighter side in terms of 
> extra clearance for safety. 
> - Like the Teltro brakes very much. Did swap their pads for the Yokozuna 
> salmon ones RBW sells. 
> - Added my custom aesthetic touches as you can see in the photos. The 
> kickstand with its own shellacked tape will be added when I get back. So 
> will the rear rack. I was planning to go with the Pleitecher rack, but 
> after seeing the bike built, I can't help but think it has to get the Nitto 
> rear rack. Another excellent improvement on this last series is that 
> braze-one were added in the seat stays higher than the dropout to allow for 
> the mid sized Nitto rear rack to fit. I like it much better since it goes 
> closer to the seat stays and the saddle. 
>
> Anyway, here are the photos. Enjoy! 
> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157674336110365
>
> BTW, did I say that the blue Cheviot is the prettiest of them all?
>
> René 
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2016, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Photos will come later, but on the Cheviot, since it's a mixte, the top 
>> tube intersects the seat tube in the middle, not at the top. For the rear 
>> center pull brake, you need the cable to be on the top of the tube so the 
>> cable yoke can be in front of the seat tube. Photos will clarify. And on a 
>> mixte for centerpulls, you only need one brazen-on on the front near the 
>> head tube, not both. But that single braze-on needs to be at the 12 o'clock 
>> position. On the Betty they were at 2 o'clock and some people were able to 
>> pull it off. I learned it a few weeks ago. My Betty had a front Paul 
>> centerpull and a rear Silver brake (like the Tektro). 
>>
>> Will report in clearances between the tires and the fenders later today. 
>>
>> René 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
>> row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Rene,
>>> Thanks for the update.
>>> I'm waiting for mine too. Excited about the blue.
>>> Anxious to hear about your tire/ fender clearance.
>>>
 Jon

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I find it interesting that you are using the Ahearne bars.  I have the 
Nitto and Soma versions of that bar on 2 of my other bikes and for a while 
that was my default go-to bar.  I wouldn't have thought that it would fit 
well on a Cheviot just due to not much back sweep.  I recently a Cheviot 
and if the Albatross bars don't feel wonderful I might give those a try.

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 12:20:26 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Yesterday morning I got a call from RBW telling me my new 60cm Betty Blue 
> Cheviot was ready to ship. Wooho!!! I got the confirmation e-mail from RBW, 
> but no e-mail from UPS, which usually comes right away. This morning I 
> "miraculously" had a 2 hour opening in my schedule and called them at 
> 9:00AM before they opened. Will picked up the phone, confirmed my frame 
> hadn't yet shipped, so I told him I'd go pick it up right away. I'm flying 
> to Moscow on business tomorrow evening, so the chance to get the frame, 
> build it up in the afternoon and take it for a ride tomorrow morning was 
> too good to resist.
>
> When I arrived at RBW, I was able to also see the other two colors. They 
> have assembled a gray Cheviot and had an orange frame on the counter. Here 
> is my completely subjective evaluation:
>
> I was very tempted by the gray frame when I saw it on the photos, but that 
> Betty blue is so unique, that I opted to keep it. Additionally, the Rex is 
> silver, so I didn't want the Cheviot to be too close to it. To my surprise, 
> once assembled, the gray frame sort of disappears. It's much prettier 
> standalone than built; you'd never look at it twice sort of feeling. 
> Apologies if I'm upsetting anyone, this is just my personal assessment.
>
> The orange turned out not to be the bright orange of the original series, 
> but a matte dark orange, sort of "brick" orange-like. I have a weird 
> response to the orange frames, but I didn't like this one. I've been 
> attracted to bright orange frames, but feel I'll tire very quickly of the 
> color.
>
> The Betty blue, enhanced by the cream, is just fantastic. I have to say 
> that it's much prettier than the actual Betty, which had red accents. I 
> haven't yet compared them side by side, as I took the Betty frame to my 
> office to be able to ship it from there when I sell it, but the blue 
> Cheviot is just incredible.
>
> One detail that the new Cheviots have, is that the brake cable braze-ons 
> on the top tube were moved lower, to about a 5 o'clock position viewed from 
> the front. While this change may be a bit nicer for the side pull brakes, 
> it means it's now not possible to route the cable to run a rear Paul 
> centerpull. So I installed the Tektro brakes.
>
> I also got a Chocomoose bar to test, but can't quite figure out how to 
> install the reversed thumbie shifters on the inside of the bar without 
> swapping the left for the right, and also a quick test left me a bit 
> "unsure" if I like them, so I installed the cockpit I had on the Betty that 
> I really like: Ahearne bars with the shifters on the quill of the stem.
>
> I've just spent all afternoon building it up and am almost ready. No 
> fenders yet, all that work will take place when I'm back home a bit more 
> than a week. Will take it for a ride tomorrow morning and report back with 
> photos.
>
> Oh, I'm going to run the Compass 44mm Snoqualmie tires to test. Clearance 
> for those tires and fenders may be a bit reduced, so I may end up running 
> the 38mm Barlow Pass tires. I'm running those on the Atlantis and like them 
> very much.
>
> Stay tuned!
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 10:56:29 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> BTW, not an exact measurement, but with the bikes hanging from the front 
> wheel on my garage wall, the 60 cm Cheviot is about a bit less than a half 
> wheel longer than the 61 Homer. I'll measure total length when I get home, 
> but am curious to see how it will fit on Caltrain, in the smaller bike cars 
> that have 3 sided cages for the bikes. The 58 Hunqapillar fit tightly with 
> 50mm tires and fenders and the Cheviot seems longer with no fenders yet...
>

The only reason I haven't bought a Cheviot for use as a commuter is that 
with the extra-long chainstays I fully expect it to have the same problem 
on Caltrain as my Clem, alas. To get that bike in the three-sided racks, I 
have to turn out the front wheel and take up several bike's worth of space. 
I love the ride, but there are some external factors like public transit 
cage size that dictate how long a bike should be. I note that Grant and Co, 
being on the other side of the Bay, probably don't contend with Caltrain 
space limitations such that they'd be a factor in their design process. 
Aside from that, I'm a fan of the long-bike approach - super comfy.

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

Funny that the photo of the shifters in the Soma page is exactly reversed
to how I set them up, which is to mimic how the shifters work on the down
tube.

David, I set the tires up on Atlas rims which are wider than standard road
rims. I'll measure them when I get home next Sunday afternoon.

BTW, not an exact measurement, but with the bikes hanging from the front
wheel on my garage wall, the 60 cm Cheviot is about a bit less than a half
wheel longer than the 61 Homer. I'll measure total length when I get home,
but am curious to see how it will fit on Caltrain, in the smaller bike cars
that have 3 sided cages for the bikes. The 58 Hunqapillar fit tightly with
50mm tires and fenders and the Cheviot seems longer with no fenders yet...

René

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> http://store.somafab.com/irddoshmofor.html
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> What sort of mount did you use for the shifters? I need something similar
>> for my Atlantis. Nice build, tempted to get one myself, but between my
>> Clementine & Atlantis it might be too much duplication.
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Belopsky]

http://store.somafab.com/irddoshmofor.html

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>
> What sort of mount did you use for the shifters? I need something similar 
> for my Atlantis. Nice build, tempted to get one myself, but between my 
> Clementine & Atlantis it might be too much duplication.

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[David Banzer]

Bike looks great! I'm trying to figure out how I can justify a Cheviot in 
my stable. I just broke my daily commuter, building up a VO Campeur as new 
commuter, but if that doesn't fit right, a Cheviot might be in my future.
Any chance you measured the actual width of the Compass Snoqualmie Pass 
tires?
I've seen that they run smaller than 44mm on typical road rims. I might 
need to order a pair just to have - could fit on a couple bikes depending 
on actual width.
David
Chicago

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 7:54:04 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> What a fantastic bike! I cannot believe this is the last batch. I thought 
> it would not be possible, but I like it even more than the Betty. The fact 
> that it's my correct size probably has a lot to do with it. But it's more 
> than that alone. Being able to place the saddle further back (Darn Brooks 
> with its limited rearward positioning), the longer stays, the overall 
> feeling when riding it is pure bliss. Truly just ride!
>
> I rode 14 miles with a friend this morning, then met my wife for breakfast 
> at our favorite place in California Ave., and I was having so much fun that 
> I just didn't want to go back home. Kept riding to Palo Alto Bikes in 
> downtown to show it to my mechanic, then went onwards to Stanford where my 
> oldest daughter just started her MBA and managed to catch her so I took her 
> for brunch as well, although I didn't eat. Then finally rode home, since I 
> had to pack as I'm traveling this evening. 
>
> Some first impressions:
> - Wowed by the B67 Select. I keep wanting to sit a bit further back, but 
> it's quite comfortable and pushed all the way back. I did ride it with 
> padded knickers, but tested it for a short spin on regular shorts and found 
> it comfortable. Especially on the upright (not 100%) position I like. 
> - The Ahearne cockpit with Brooks slender grips is just fantastic. 
> - The shifters on the quill are just perfect for this bike. My mechanic 
> loved the setup. 
> - The 44mm tires are amazing. Tolerances for fenders, as you can see on 
> the photos, will be probably fine, but on the tighter side in terms of 
> extra clearance for safety. 
> - Like the Teltro brakes very much. Did swap their pads for the Yokozuna 
> salmon ones RBW sells. 
> - Added my custom aesthetic touches as you can see in the photos. The 
> kickstand with its own shellacked tape will be added when I get back. So 
> will the rear rack. I was planning to go with the Pleitecher rack, but 
> after seeing the bike built, I can't help but think it has to get the Nitto 
> rear rack. Another excellent improvement on this last series is that 
> braze-one were added in the seat stays higher than the dropout to allow for 
> the mid sized Nitto rear rack to fit. I like it much better since it goes 
> closer to the seat stays and the saddle. 
>
> Anyway, here are the photos. Enjoy! 
> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157674336110365
>
> BTW, did I say that the blue Cheviot is the prettiest of them all?
>
> René 
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2016, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Photos will come later, but on the Cheviot, since it's a mixte, the top 
>> tube intersects the seat tube in the middle, not at the top. For the rear 
>> center pull brake, you need the cable to be on the top of the tube so the 
>> cable yoke can be in front of the seat tube. Photos will clarify. And on a 
>> mixte for centerpulls, you only need one brazen-on on the front near the 
>> head tube, not both. But that single braze-on needs to be at the 12 o'clock 
>> position. On the Betty they were at 2 o'clock and some people were able to 
>> pull it off. I learned it a few weeks ago. My Betty had a front Paul 
>> centerpull and a rear Silver brake (like the Tektro). 
>>
>> Will report in clearances between the tires and the fenders later today. 
>>
>> René 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
>> row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Rene,
>>> Thanks for the update.
>>> I'm waiting for mine too. Excited about the blue.
>>> Anxious to hear about your tire/ fender clearance.
>>>
 Jon

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

It's the IRD quill mount that RBW sells, but they are currently out of
them.

René

On Sunday, September 25, 2016, masmojo  wrote:

> What sort of mount did you use for the shifters? I need something similar
> for my Atlantis. Nice build, tempted to get one myself, but between my
> Clementine & Atlantis it might be too much duplication.
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[masmojo]

What sort of mount did you use for the shifters? I need something similar for 
my Atlantis. Nice build, tempted to get one myself, but between my Clementine & 
Atlantis it might be too much duplication.

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Pondero]

As someone else on this list would say, "APPROVE!"

I'll bet that ride is sublime.  There are many wonderful details, but I think 
you'll love the stem shifters.  Enjoy!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

It's a leather top tube protector with a loop for the U-Lock. I discovered
them on Etsy. Can look for the details later.

Thanks for the comments!

On Saturday, September 24, 2016, WETH  wrote:

> Rene,'
> thanks for photos of that beautiful bike! I am also glad to learn how much
> you like to ride it!  What is the leather cover on the top tune? Is that to
> hold a u-lock or to lift the bike when carrying it?
> I'll look forward to more photos.  Congratulations again.
> Erl
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Howard Hatten]

Nice build Rene. Thanks for the photos. The tire clearance shots are very 
helpful 
Enjoy the ride

Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[WETH]

Rene,'
thanks for photos of that beautiful bike! I am also glad to learn how much you 
like to ride it!  What is the leather cover on the top tune? Is that to hold a 
u-lock or to lift the bike when carrying it?
I'll look forward to more photos.  Congratulations again.
Erl

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

What a fantastic bike! I cannot believe this is the last batch. I thought
it would not be possible, but I like it even more than the Betty. The fact
that it's my correct size probably has a lot to do with it. But it's more
than that alone. Being able to place the saddle further back (Darn Brooks
with its limited rearward positioning), the longer stays, the overall
feeling when riding it is pure bliss. Truly just ride!

I rode 14 miles with a friend this morning, then met my wife for breakfast
at our favorite place in California Ave., and I was having so much fun that
I just didn't want to go back home. Kept riding to Palo Alto Bikes in
downtown to show it to my mechanic, then went onwards to Stanford where my
oldest daughter just started her MBA and managed to catch her so I took her
for brunch as well, although I didn't eat. Then finally rode home, since I
had to pack as I'm traveling this evening.

Some first impressions:
- Wowed by the B67 Select. I keep wanting to sit a bit further back, but
it's quite comfortable and pushed all the way back. I did ride it with
padded knickers, but tested it for a short spin on regular shorts and found
it comfortable. Especially on the upright (not 100%) position I like.
- The Ahearne cockpit with Brooks slender grips is just fantastic.
- The shifters on the quill are just perfect for this bike. My mechanic
loved the setup.
- The 44mm tires are amazing. Tolerances for fenders, as you can see on the
photos, will be probably fine, but on the tighter side in terms of extra
clearance for safety.
- Like the Teltro brakes very much. Did swap their pads for the Yokozuna
salmon ones RBW sells.
- Added my custom aesthetic touches as you can see in the photos. The
kickstand with its own shellacked tape will be added when I get back. So
will the rear rack. I was planning to go with the Pleitecher rack, but
after seeing the bike built, I can't help but think it has to get the Nitto
rear rack. Another excellent improvement on this last series is that
braze-one were added in the seat stays higher than the dropout to allow for
the mid sized Nitto rear rack to fit. I like it much better since it goes
closer to the seat stays and the saddle.

Anyway, here are the photos. Enjoy!
https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157674336110365

BTW, did I say that the blue Cheviot is the prettiest of them all?

René

On Saturday, September 24, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Photos will come later, but on the Cheviot, since it's a mixte, the top
> tube intersects the seat tube in the middle, not at the top. For the rear
> center pull brake, you need the cable to be on the top of the tube so the
> cable yoke can be in front of the seat tube. Photos will clarify. And on a
> mixte for centerpulls, you only need one brazen-on on the front near the
> head tube, not both. But that single braze-on needs to be at the 12 o'clock
> position. On the Betty they were at 2 o'clock and some people were able to
> pull it off. I learned it a few weeks ago. My Betty had a front Paul
> centerpull and a rear Silver brake (like the Tektro).
>
> Will report in clearances between the tires and the fenders later today.
>
> René
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
> row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Rene,
>> Thanks for the update.
>> I'm waiting for mine too. Excited about the blue.
>> Anxious to hear about your tire/ fender clearance.
>>
>>> Jon
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

Hi Tim,

Photos will come later, but on the Cheviot, since it's a mixte, the top
tube intersects the seat tube in the middle, not at the top. For the rear
center pull brake, you need the cable to be on the top of the tube so the
cable yoke can be in front of the seat tube. Photos will clarify. And on a
mixte for centerpulls, you only need one brazen-on on the front near the
head tube, not both. But that single braze-on needs to be at the 12 o'clock
position. On the Betty they were at 2 o'clock and some people were able to
pull it off. I learned it a few weeks ago. My Betty had a front Paul
centerpull and a rear Silver brake (like the Tektro).

Will report in clearances between the tires and the fenders later today.

René

On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Rene,
> Thanks for the update.
> I'm waiting for mine too. Excited about the blue.
> Anxious to hear about your tire/ fender clearance.
>
>> Jon
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

To get you ready! It's finished minus the rear rack, the kickstand and as
stated, the fenders.

Sweet dreams!

On Friday, September 23, 2016, LeahFoy  wrote:

> All this, and no pictures. Why must you treat us so?
> ;)
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