Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Ray Varella]

That orange looks great!

Who is going to be the one who starts the tandem gallery so we can see them all 
in one place. 

Bill mentioned his feeling quite normal as a single. 
I have ridden my tandem solo to pick up other people, the only issue is the 
rear wheel being easy to lock up with no weight over it but it rides great 
solo. 

The guy that built the frame used to routinely take his on BART (our local rail 
system) and ride up and down the line until he met someone who wanted to go 
riding. 

These Hubbahubbah tandems look to be the epitome of user friendly and fun 
tandems. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Ryan Fleming]

I also kinda like the blue cables with the orange; I think that is a neat 
color  combo...looks like blue spikes on the pedals as well, Rene. 

On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 11:20:11 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Thanks Ryan. I can't wait to start my "adjustments" phase and prove Grant 
> did hit a homerun with the Hubbuhubbuh. 
>
> René 
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:13 AM Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> your HHH looks really neat, too. Very exciting...looks like RBW has hit 
>> another one out of the park
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 4:05:02 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Maiden voyage today. My son wanted to meet friends at Bart for a 
>>> Berkeley adventure. So we rode across the east bay hills and dropped 
>>> through the cemetery. Then I did a grocery run and rode up the hill solo. 
>>> It was really pleasant. It's amazing to be on a tandem that rides like a 
>>> Rivendell but there you are.  
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Thanks Ryan. I can't wait to start my "adjustments" phase and prove Grant
did hit a homerun with the Hubbuhubbuh.

René

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:13 AM Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> your HHH looks really neat, too. Very exciting...looks like RBW has hit
> another one out of the park
>
>
> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 4:05:02 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Maiden voyage today. My son wanted to meet friends at Bart for a Berkeley
>> adventure. So we rode across the east bay hills and dropped through the
>> cemetery. Then I did a grocery run and rode up the hill solo. It was really
>> pleasant. It's amazing to be on a tandem that rides like a Rivendell but
>> there you are.
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Ryan Fleming]

your HHH looks really neat, too. Very exciting...looks like RBW has hit 
another one out of the park

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>
> Maiden voyage today. My son wanted to meet friends at Bart for a Berkeley 
> adventure. So we rode across the east bay hills and dropped through the 
> cemetery. Then I did a grocery run and rode up the hill solo. It was really 
> pleasant. It's amazing to be on a tandem that rides like a Rivendell but 
> there you are.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Ryan Fleming]

Wow, Rene...your tandem looks great. Very classy build so far and I hope 
you and your family enjoy it. Sure looks like a labour of love

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 2:25:45 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Progress photos: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157680299609103/with/34450768136/
>
> After a long day at work getting, among other things the Betty ready to 
> ship to its new home (bittersweet), I came home in the evening and started 
> the build of my Hubbuhubbuh. By midnight, I had accomplished everything you 
> can see in the photos, where by the way, you can also see the awesome 
> decals it sports.
>
> Had not trouble anywhere, except on the installation of the rear disc 
> brake, where the rotor I had chosen rubs the Shimano adapter. If the mount 
> on the frame was a mm or two more outward, it would have worked perfectly. 
> This is a hope rotor that has the new isolation or whatever for the disc 
> rotor, probably total overkill for the tandem, but I had it from another 
> project. A standard flat rotor won't rub, so I'm getting one of those. No 
> biggie here.
>
> The Silver cranks are totally awesome. I had mixed feelings when I ordered 
> them based on the photos, but didn't feel like putting it all together from 
> scratch with Sugino cranes, and the René Herse I love on my single bikes 
> are just too expensive and unjustifiable at this time. But when I took them 
> out of the box and installed them, I was blown away. They look fantastic 
> and the guards are just so cool. You can see them in the photos.
>
> You can also see where I'm planning to place the thumbie for the disc 
> brake, a place where it's easy to use yet doesn't get in the way of the 
> hand positions. I'm planning to use barend shifters on the tips of the 
> handlebar so I can easily shift without potentially compromising the 
> control of the bike, and so I keep the handlebars free. Over time, I'll see 
> if the preferences change.
>
> The new Bosco treadless handlebar is awesome as you can see. I was 
> planning on going with Chocos, but I think it'll stay this way, at least 
> for now. I had already purchased the Nitto high rise stem to use with the 
> Chocos, so when the new wider sleeved Chocos arrive, I'll get one to have 
> as backup alternative, just in case.
>
> Had a big family debate regarding the pedal and cabling colors. I think 
> the cabling will be blue as shown, white turned out to be too bright and 
> out of context, gray is boring and in most of my bikes anyway, so I was 
> concerned the blue cables would look too weird, but I think it looks good 
> and my wife and son liked them. So we'll see when it's all cabled. Got some 
> blue pedals as well, but they don't match the color of the cables and it's 
> just too much, so they're going back and will use silver pedals. These 
> Vault pedals are just my favorite. Wide, grippy, very comfortable.
>
> The saddles are a matching pair of B67 and B67S Select, so I'm hoping my 
> wife will love it. If necessary at first, I'll add some padded cover. Rides 
> are going to be very short initially anyway. She's quite nervous about it, 
> but I told her everything that went wrong would be my fault, and there 
> would be no pressure to ride on the street until she's absolutely ready for 
> it, however long it takes.
>
> The Compass 48mm wide tires look awesome and should ride like that as 
> well, based on how all my other Compass tires ride on my bikes. These, 
> however, are not the ultra-light, but rather the regular casing version 
> heeding Theo's advice at Compass tires. Just in case.
>
> The wheels are custom made by Rich using 4-cross (Grant was very 
> impressed) 40 spokes on White Industries hubs. They look amazing!
>
> As much as I would love to finish the build this weekend, I'm still 
> waiting for the polished Motolites, which hopefully will ship out next 
> week. I'm taking the fork to have the steerer tube cut, as I don't have the 
> special tool to do the straight cut and it's not worth getting it as this 
> is not a usual task I do at home.
>
> Got some special edition set of Carradice tweed roll and Barley bags to 
> put the finishing touch on the Hubbuhubbuh when I'm done. My wife approved 
> of them when she saw them, and appreciated the fact that I had sold a 
> number of other bags during the week, so that was good! Needless to say, 
> had RBW had the SaddleSack and tube bags in blue to make a matching set, 
> I'd have gone for those! 
>
> Enjoy and stay tuned for more!
>
> René 
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Julian Westerhout  > wrote:
>
>> Daniel, 
>>
>> As Vince explained it to me, there are two variations depending upon size 
>> of HHH. We have a large, and the kit included a 203mm rotor, a Shimano 
>> Acera disc brake, and an appropriate rotor/brake mount. The cost of these 
>> was $51. There were also several options for controlling it -- I opted out 
>> of those as we're going to use a vintage 

Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bill Lindsay]

My stoker noticed he needs two leg bands to keep his pants out of both chains.  
Also I need to wear one leg band on the left. Adjustments 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Hi Patrick,

On my Medium, I chopped off 5 inches from the super long steerer tube,
which leaves about 63mm above the headset. The height of the threadless
Bullmoose stem is about 42mm, which leaves me with plenty of room to play
with with spacers above and below the stem to fine tune the height. If I
ever want to change to Choco bars, for example, I have the Nitto high rise
stem from RBW as well, which will provide the necessary height at the bar
ends.

I have just been able to (and actually couldn't resist) rolling on the bike
in my patio to verify that the height of the bars was fine, as I still
haven't received the brakes. More parts are arriving today, but I'll have
to check on those brakes again.

René

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:33 PM Patrick Cronin 
wrote:

> Many thanks for posting these pics. I've been having sage envy and blue
> regret after seeing the first and even latest photo from Grant. I'm now
> really excited for this blue. Can't wait to put it up against the original
> Hunqapillar blue. Riv 'dealer', Gravel & Grind just took my deposit for
> parts and found a NOS xtr v-brakeset, which should look smart on the blue.
> Curious about the Paul Klamper, as I've never used.
>
> What did Riv say about the steerer length? It looks astronomic in height.
> Anyone else have thoughts about an ideal height for the Medium w/
> bosco-bullmoose?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:48:03 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>> I drive up today to pick up my Medium Orange frame, Silver crankset,
>> special Bosco bars my 40 spoked custome Rich built wheels and a few extra
>> parts. As usual, Vince, Grant, Mark, Rich and everyone else were super
>> nice, and even though the frames were just delivered yesterday, the
>> accommodated my eagerness and anticipation and prepped the frame while I
>> was waiting.
>>
>> I'm still waiting on the polished Motolites, which should ship out next
>> week at the latest and will enjoy building it slowly to savor every moment.
>> There will be numerous asks for my wife to give her feedback so she feels
>> she also owns it, such as blue vs. white vs. gray cables, blue vs. silver
>> pedals, grip types, etc. She needs to feel it's also hers so she starts
>> enjoying it. And I promise I'll be very gentle and obey her every whim when
>> she rides with me.
>>
>> As usual, I'll post photos of the progress of the build and the different
>> options being considered.
>>
>> In the meantime, enjoy the first view of the Hubbuhubbuhs hanging in the
>> showroom. One color is still not displayed.
>> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> René
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[RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Patrick Cronin]

Many thanks for posting these pics. I've been having sage envy and blue 
regret after seeing the first and even latest photo from Grant. I'm now 
really excited for this blue. Can't wait to put it up against the original 
Hunqapillar blue. Riv 'dealer', Gravel & Grind just took my deposit for 
parts and found a NOS xtr v-brakeset, which should look smart on the blue. 
Curious about the Paul Klamper, as I've never used.   

What did Riv say about the steerer length? It looks astronomic in height. 
Anyone else have thoughts about an ideal height for the Medium w/ 
bosco-bullmoose?

Cheers,

Patrick

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:48:03 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> I drive up today to pick up my Medium Orange frame, Silver crankset, 
> special Bosco bars my 40 spoked custome Rich built wheels and a few extra 
> parts. As usual, Vince, Grant, Mark, Rich and everyone else were super 
> nice, and even though the frames were just delivered yesterday, the 
> accommodated my eagerness and anticipation and prepped the frame while I 
> was waiting. 
>
> I'm still waiting on the polished Motolites, which should ship out next 
> week at the latest and will enjoy building it slowly to savor every moment. 
> There will be numerous asks for my wife to give her feedback so she feels 
> she also owns it, such as blue vs. white vs. gray cables, blue vs. silver 
> pedals, grip types, etc. She needs to feel it's also hers so she starts 
> enjoying it. And I promise I'll be very gentle and obey her every whim when 
> she rides with me. 
>
> As usual, I'll post photos of the progress of the build and the different 
> options being considered. 
>
> In the meantime, enjoy the first view of the Hubbuhubbuhs hanging in the 
> showroom. One color is still not displayed. 
> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103
>
> Enjoy!
>
> René 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Steve Palincsar]

I agree.  And then, there's the issue of the cable having to match the 
fitting on the actuation device.  At the brake, of course, it's held by 
a pinch bolt, but at the lever it's a made-on end that fits a receptacle 
in the lever.  But the important thing is, this has been done since time 
immemorial with no problems.



On 05/07/2017 02:55 PM, René Sterental wrote:
As I've been doing some research on the subject, it's apparent that 
this is just how people have been setting up their drag brakes 
forever, at least as far back as I've been able to research, which is 
several decades. Remember, it's not that you have to press hard to 
stop the bike, you just need to pull the brake lever to get some 
friction on the disc. Drum brakes which I think need a higher level of 
force compared to large disc brake rotors have been set up this way 
with no adverse issues.


Perhaps someone else knows more?Fed

René

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 11:43 AM Daniel Jackson 
> 
wrote:


Have we already had the discussion about the relative safety of
using a shifter cable to actuate a mechanical drag disc brake?



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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bill Lindsay]

Maiden voyage today. My son wanted to meet friends at Bart for a Berkeley 
adventure. So we rode across the east bay hills and dropped through the 
cemetery. Then I did a grocery run and rode up the hill solo. It was really 
pleasant. It's amazing to be on a tandem that rides like a Rivendell but there 
you are.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Julian Westerhout]

Daniel, 

Are you concerned about the shifter cable not being robust enough, or are 
you concerned about the use of a shift lever instead of a brake lever 
(possible cable pull length)? 

If the former, I do not think it's an issue, as a drag brake is not 
subjected to the repeated hard forces of regular brakes -- the intent of 
the drag brake is to scrub speed, not stop you in a hurry (and is not used 
that often, in my experience). If the latter, in my experience you'll have 
plenty of cable pull from a shifter. 

If something else is worrying you, what is it? 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il  

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> Have we already had the discussion about the relative safety of using a 
> shifter cable to actuate a mechanical drag disc brake?

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

DOUBLE APPROVE TANDEM!

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On May 6, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Ren? Sterental 
> wrote:

Thank you all for the compliments!

I had no idea there was a brown cabling option, but like you, now everyone in 
my house is pretty excited with the blue cabling. Let's see how if once all the 
cables are run, the effect is the same or it becomes overwhelming.

Can't wait for the rest of the parts to arrive.

Ren?

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 4:20 PM Julian Westerhout 
> wrote:
Ren?,

Your build-so-far looks terrific!

We're going with B17 and Flyer S in honey. I've been looking for cream cable 
housing with no luck (anyone know of any?) -- I would like to match the decals, 
but am considering going with Velo-Orange's brown or perhaps a silver.

I must admit I sort of like the boldness of the blue on yours -- despite 
myself!   :)

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL


On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, Ren? wrote:
Yeah, the first time I saw an orange bike with a tan Brooks saddle I had an 
epiphany. They looked so awesome. Until that moment, and still today, almost 
every orange frame I see has black parts. It was the same when I saw the first 
silver frame with tan saddle and handlebar leather tape. Which is why my custom 
is configured that way.

This is certainly an awesome project, and these frames are so cool!

Ren?
On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 2:12 PM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat tires, 
double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel, lots of 
rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. Ren?, nice job on the build 
so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away from too much black on 
the orange builds. Because, Halloween.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

As I've been doing some research on the subject, it's apparent that this is
just how people have been setting up their drag brakes forever, at least as
far back as I've been able to research, which is several decades. Remember,
it's not that you have to press hard to stop the bike, you just need to
pull the brake lever to get some friction on the disc. Drum brakes which I
think need a higher level of force compared to large disc brake rotors have
been set up this way with no adverse issues.

Perhaps someone else knows more?Fed

René

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> Have we already had the discussion about the relative safety of using a
> shifter cable to actuate a mechanical drag disc brake?
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Daniel Jackson]

Have we already had the discussion about the relative safety of using a shifter 
cable to actuate a mechanical drag disc brake?

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Such a perfect looking bike... well done!  Artistically and expertly 
done

Speaking of, not that I am an expert, I concur on the choice of the older 
XTR v-brakes.  I cobbled together an electric cargo bike, a standard level 
Yuba Mundo, one without disc brakes standard, and the shop I was working 
with highly recommended the XTR's - and they were absolutely right.  Even 
with the weight of the Yuba, I have never doubted the brakes.

Anyway, it brought a smile here to see your new bike...  

It is easy to see great fun in your future!

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

They were announced in the Blug, nowhere else nor via e-mail. They're going
to ship for free, so no harm done!

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 7:42 PM Ryan Thompson 
wrote:

> I didn't know Riv had a theadless bull moose bosco. I just ordered the
> rest of my parts on Friday for the tandem and would have certainly added
> that to the cart as well. I guess I'm making a call on Monday.
>
> I'm also waiting for an orange HHH and it's nice to see your progress
> photos.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Clayton.sf]

I saw them in person today.

need to get in on the next batch. so rad!

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

If by the time I'm done yours doesn't have the disc brake, I'll consider
mine completer than yours!!! Ja ja ja ja!!!

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> WINNING!
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bill Lindsay]

WINNING!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Ryan Thompson]

I didn't know Riv had a theadless bull moose bosco. I just ordered the rest of 
my parts on Friday for the tandem and would have certainly added that to the 
cart as well. I guess I'm making a call on Monday. 

I'm also waiting for an orange HHH and it's nice to see your progress photos. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Congratulations Bill! I think you're the first owner to have a fully
functioning Hubbuhubbuh!

René

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> My build is pretty much done.  Those of you who followed on Instagram saw
> it in progress.  I deleted the progress shots that showed how messy my
> garage is.
>
> Anyway, here's the complete bike after my first ride around the block
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> And here's a shot with my Nitto big front rack installed.  I'm running
> vintage XTR V-Brakes, which strike me as providing AMPLE braking power.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> We're pretty psyched in the Lindsay household.  Bill might be the most
> psyched, but everyone agrees it's a great looking bike.
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:30:30 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had everything else already, including my Rich-built tandem wheelset.
>> I'm going to go without a disc brake to start.
>>
>> I saw the Orange and I like it, but I would not call it Creamsicle.  It's
>> much more vibrant than a Creamsicle orange.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:59:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Haha.  I called Will and had a little guilt-therapy.  He said come on
>>> by, so I'll drive by and pick up my SMALL Sage tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:28:51 PM UTC-7, René wrote:

 Let's see how long you can hold off... :-)

 On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:24 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked
> with bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make
> everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a 
> couple
> weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing
> builds and showing them off.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Thank you all for the compliments!

I had no idea there was a brown cabling option, but like you, now everyone
in my house is pretty excited with the blue cabling. Let's see how if once
all the cables are run, the effect is the same or it becomes overwhelming.

Can't wait for the rest of the parts to arrive.

René

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 4:20 PM Julian Westerhout 
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> René,
>
> Your build-so-far looks terrific!
>
> We're going with B17 and Flyer S in honey. I've been looking for cream
> cable housing with no luck (anyone know of any?) -- I would like to match
> the decals, but am considering going with Velo-Orange's brown or perhaps a
> silver.
>
> I must admit I sort of like the boldness of the blue on yours -- despite
> myself!   :)
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the first time I saw an orange bike with a tan Brooks saddle I had
>> an epiphany. They looked so awesome. Until that moment, and still today,
>> almost every orange frame I see has black parts. It was the same when I saw
>> the first silver frame with tan saddle and handlebar leather tape. Which is
>> why my custom is configured that way.
>>
>> This is certainly an awesome project, and these frames are so cool!
>>
>> René
>>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 2:12 PM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>> Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat
>>> tires, double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel,
>>> lots of rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. René, nice
>>> job on the build so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away
>>> from too much black on the orange builds. Because, Halloween.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bill Lindsay]

My build is pretty much done.  Those of you who followed on Instagram saw 
it in progress.  I deleted the progress shots that showed how messy my 
garage is.  

Anyway, here's the complete bike after my first ride around the block









And here's a shot with my Nitto big front rack installed.  I'm running 
vintage XTR V-Brakes, which strike me as providing AMPLE braking power.  






We're pretty psyched in the Lindsay household.  Bill might be the most 
psyched, but everyone agrees it's a great looking bike.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA











On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:30:30 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I had everything else already, including my Rich-built tandem wheelset. 
>  I'm going to go without a disc brake to start.  
>
> I saw the Orange and I like it, but I would not call it Creamsicle.  It's 
> much more vibrant than a Creamsicle orange. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:59:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Haha.  I called Will and had a little guilt-therapy.  He said come on by, 
>> so I'll drive by and pick up my SMALL Sage tomorrow morning.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:28:51 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's see how long you can hold off... :-)
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:24 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked 
 with bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make 
 everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a 
 couple 
 weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing 
 builds and showing them off.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA




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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Julian Westerhout]

René, 

Your build-so-far looks terrific! 

We're going with B17 and Flyer S in honey. I've been looking for cream 
cable housing with no luck (anyone know of any?) -- I would like to match 
the decals, but am considering going with Velo-Orange's brown or perhaps a 
silver.  

I must admit I sort of like the boldness of the blue on yours -- despite 
myself!   :)  

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 


On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Yeah, the first time I saw an orange bike with a tan Brooks saddle I had 
> an epiphany. They looked so awesome. Until that moment, and still today, 
> almost every orange frame I see has black parts. It was the same when I saw 
> the first silver frame with tan saddle and handlebar leather tape. Which is 
> why my custom is configured that way. 
>
> This is certainly an awesome project, and these frames are so cool!
>
> René 
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 2:12 PM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat 
>> tires, double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel, 
>> lots of rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. René, nice job 
>> on the build so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away from 
>> too much black on the orange builds. Because, Halloween. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Yeah, the first time I saw an orange bike with a tan Brooks saddle I had an
epiphany. They looked so awesome. Until that moment, and still today,
almost every orange frame I see has black parts. It was the same when I saw
the first silver frame with tan saddle and handlebar leather tape. Which is
why my custom is configured that way.

This is certainly an awesome project, and these frames are so cool!

René

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rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat tires,
> double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel, lots
> of rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. René, nice job on
> the build so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away from too
> much black on the orange builds. Because, Halloween.
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[RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

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Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat tires, 
double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel, lots 
of rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. René, nice job on the 
build so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away from too much 
black on the orange builds. Because, Halloween. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Progress photos:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157680299609103/with/34450768136/

After a long day at work getting, among other things the Betty ready to
ship to its new home (bittersweet), I came home in the evening and started
the build of my Hubbuhubbuh. By midnight, I had accomplished everything you
can see in the photos, where by the way, you can also see the awesome
decals it sports.

Had not trouble anywhere, except on the installation of the rear disc
brake, where the rotor I had chosen rubs the Shimano adapter. If the mount
on the frame was a mm or two more outward, it would have worked perfectly.
This is a hope rotor that has the new isolation or whatever for the disc
rotor, probably total overkill for the tandem, but I had it from another
project. A standard flat rotor won't rub, so I'm getting one of those. No
biggie here.

The Silver cranks are totally awesome. I had mixed feelings when I ordered
them based on the photos, but didn't feel like putting it all together from
scratch with Sugino cranes, and the René Herse I love on my single bikes
are just too expensive and unjustifiable at this time. But when I took them
out of the box and installed them, I was blown away. They look fantastic
and the guards are just so cool. You can see them in the photos.

You can also see where I'm planning to place the thumbie for the disc
brake, a place where it's easy to use yet doesn't get in the way of the
hand positions. I'm planning to use barend shifters on the tips of the
handlebar so I can easily shift without potentially compromising the
control of the bike, and so I keep the handlebars free. Over time, I'll see
if the preferences change.

The new Bosco treadless handlebar is awesome as you can see. I was planning
on going with Chocos, but I think it'll stay this way, at least for now. I
had already purchased the Nitto high rise stem to use with the Chocos, so
when the new wider sleeved Chocos arrive, I'll get one to have as backup
alternative, just in case.

Had a big family debate regarding the pedal and cabling colors. I think the
cabling will be blue as shown, white turned out to be too bright and out of
context, gray is boring and in most of my bikes anyway, so I was concerned
the blue cables would look too weird, but I think it looks good and my wife
and son liked them. So we'll see when it's all cabled. Got some blue pedals
as well, but they don't match the color of the cables and it's just too
much, so they're going back and will use silver pedals. These Vault pedals
are just my favorite. Wide, grippy, very comfortable.

The saddles are a matching pair of B67 and B67S Select, so I'm hoping my
wife will love it. If necessary at first, I'll add some padded cover. Rides
are going to be very short initially anyway. She's quite nervous about it,
but I told her everything that went wrong would be my fault, and there
would be no pressure to ride on the street until she's absolutely ready for
it, however long it takes.

The Compass 48mm wide tires look awesome and should ride like that as well,
based on how all my other Compass tires ride on my bikes. These, however,
are not the ultra-light, but rather the regular casing version heeding
Theo's advice at Compass tires. Just in case.

The wheels are custom made by Rich using 4-cross (Grant was very impressed)
40 spokes on White Industries hubs. They look amazing!

As much as I would love to finish the build this weekend, I'm still waiting
for the polished Motolites, which hopefully will ship out next week. I'm
taking the fork to have the steerer tube cut, as I don't have the special
tool to do the straight cut and it's not worth getting it as this is not a
usual task I do at home.

Got some special edition set of Carradice tweed roll and Barley bags to put
the finishing touch on the Hubbuhubbuh when I'm done. My wife approved of
them when she saw them, and appreciated the fact that I had sold a number
of other bags during the week, so that was good! Needless to say, had RBW
had the SaddleSack and tube bags in blue to make a matching set, I'd have
gone for those!

Enjoy and stay tuned for more!

René

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Daniel,
>
> As Vince explained it to me, there are two variations depending upon size
> of HHH. We have a large, and the kit included a 203mm rotor, a Shimano
> Acera disc brake, and an appropriate rotor/brake mount. The cost of these
> was $51. There were also several options for controlling it -- I opted out
> of those as we're going to use a vintage Suntour XC thumb shifter on the
> stoker handlebar to control the drag brake.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 6:46:08 PM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Julian,
>>
>> What's included in the disc drag brake kit?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> D.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Julian Westerhout]

Daniel, 

As Vince explained it to me, there are two variations depending upon size 
of HHH. We have a large, and the kit included a 203mm rotor, a Shimano 
Acera disc brake, and an appropriate rotor/brake mount. The cost of these 
was $51. There were also several options for controlling it -- I opted out 
of those as we're going to use a vintage Suntour XC thumb shifter on the 
stoker handlebar to control the drag brake. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

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>
> Julian,
>
> What's included in the disc drag brake kit?
>
> Thanks,
> D. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Daniel Jackson]

Julian,

What's included in the disc drag brake kit?

Thanks,
D. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Shoji Takahashi]

APPROVE. 

I'm at the bottom of the list, and on the other the side of the 
Mississippi-- it'll prolly be a while longer before I can lift it 
outtadabox. Similar build choices, too: boscos, silver crank, rich-tandem 
wheelset. BTW: I like the look of the fork curve on Grant's Blahg.

Looking forward to seeing the build pics from everyone!

shoji
Arlington MA



On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 4:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> As some of you have noticed on my Instagram, I picked up my Small Sage 
> HubbuHubbuH today.  Grant snapped a photo of me holding the frame up with 
> one of his old timey film cameras.  My kit included:
>
> Small Sage Frameset (includes headset, seatposts, Nitto 'moose stoker stem)
> Bosco Bullmoose threadless captain bars
> 58cm Bosco stoker bars
> 170mm Silver crankset
> 2x110mm BBs
> 2xMKS Sneaker pedals
> a few extralong cables
>
> I had everything else already, including my Rich-built tandem wheelset. 
>  I'm going to go without a disc brake to start.  
>
> I saw the Orange and I like it, but I would not call it Creamsicle.  It's 
> much more vibrant than a Creamsicle orange. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:59:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Haha.  I called Will and had a little guilt-therapy.  He said come on by, 
>> so I'll drive by and pick up my SMALL Sage tomorrow morning.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:28:51 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's see how long you can hold off... :-)
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:24 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked 
 with bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make 
 everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a 
 couple 
 weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing 
 builds and showing them off.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA




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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bill Lindsay]

As some of you have noticed on my Instagram, I picked up my Small Sage 
HubbuHubbuH today.  Grant snapped a photo of me holding the frame up with 
one of his old timey film cameras.  My kit included:

Small Sage Frameset (includes headset, seatposts, Nitto 'moose stoker stem)
Bosco Bullmoose threadless captain bars
58cm Bosco stoker bars
170mm Silver crankset
2x110mm BBs
2xMKS Sneaker pedals
a few extralong cables

I had everything else already, including my Rich-built tandem wheelset. 
 I'm going to go without a disc brake to start.  

I saw the Orange and I like it, but I would not call it Creamsicle.  It's 
much more vibrant than a Creamsicle orange. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:59:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Haha.  I called Will and had a little guilt-therapy.  He said come on by, 
> so I'll drive by and pick up my SMALL Sage tomorrow morning.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:28:51 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>
>> Let's see how long you can hold off... :-)
>>
>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:24 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked 
>>> with bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make 
>>> everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a couple 
>>> weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing 
>>> builds and showing them off.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Julian Westerhout]

I got a message from Vince last night and called him today -- our large 
orange HHH will be shipped soon -- and they have a disc drag brake kit as 
an option, which was news to me (and which I ordered). Yippee! 

Tim, have a great tour! 

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 7:50:08 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Dave just called last night and they're shipping my S Azure Grey tandem. 
> And the heck of it is, I'm heading out on a bike tour Monday and won't even 
> get to see it until the middle of June when I get back. But I'll get to 
> visit Riv HQ while I'm away, which I'm really looking forward to. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dave just called last night and they're shipping my S Azure Grey tandem. And 
the heck of it is, I'm heading out on a bike tour Monday and won't even get to 
see it until the middle of June when I get back. But I'll get to visit Riv HQ 
while I'm away, which I'm really looking forward to. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bill Lindsay]

Haha.  I called Will and had a little guilt-therapy.  He said come on by, 
so I'll drive by and pick up my SMALL Sage tomorrow morning.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:28:51 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Let's see how long you can hold off... :-)
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:24 PM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked 
>> with bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make 
>> everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a couple 
>> weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing 
>> builds and showing them off.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[LeahFoy]

Somebody swing through my neighborhood on your new HubbahHubbah! I feel like 
jumping on the back and sharing in the fun!!! 

The colors look gorgeous and I can barely wait to see all the photos of you and 
your cute spouses/best friends/teenage kiddos on your new 
once-in-a-lifetime-Rivs. I've never ever been so eager to see how a Rivendell 
will come out, when it's all built and accessorized. So. Fun.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Let's see how long you can hold off... :-)

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:24 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked with
> bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make
> everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a couple
> weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing
> builds and showing them off.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>> Waahoo!   I'll hope and pretend you saw a flurry of packing and shipping
>> of them to those of us not fortunate enough to live near the mothership!
>>
>> Is the orange in the photo accurate? I ask because the blue and sage look
>> off. If you get a chance to photograph yours in real light and post it that
>> would be great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, Il
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 4:48:03 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
>>> I drive up today to pick up my Medium Orange frame, Silver crankset,
>>> special Bosco bars my 40 spoked custome Rich built wheels and a few extra
>>> parts. As usual, Vince, Grant, Mark, Rich and everyone else were super
>>> nice, and even though the frames were just delivered yesterday, the
>>> accommodated my eagerness and anticipation and prepped the frame while I
>>> was waiting.
>>>
>>> I'm still waiting on the polished Motolites, which should ship out next
>>> week at the latest and will enjoy building it slowly to savor every moment.
>>> There will be numerous asks for my wife to give her feedback so she feels
>>> she also owns it, such as blue vs. white vs. gray cables, blue vs. silver
>>> pedals, grip types, etc. She needs to feel it's also hers so she starts
>>> enjoying it. And I promise I'll be very gentle and obey her every whim when
>>> she rides with me.
>>>
>>> As usual, I'll post photos of the progress of the build and the
>>> different options being considered.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, enjoy the first view of the Hubbuhubbuhs hanging in the
>>> showroom. One color is still not displayed.
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> René
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[René Sterental]

Yes! There was a flurry of activity!!! :-)

I have to say that to my very pleasant surprise, the colors are accurate
and the orange frame is the bright creamsickle orange I was hoping for.  I
didn't really stop to compare the colors to the Blug posts, but they are
all very nice, at least the three that are hanging. The silver is beautiful
with the subdued cream accents, and the blue is more like a dark blue-gray.
The sage wasn't hanging, so I didn't see it.
So yes, consider the photos a pretty good representation of the actual
colors in the complete frames (although they still have a number of the
shipping protectors on. When mine gets home, and probably during the
weekend when I start doing some work on it, I'll post new photos both in
the sun and in the shade.

René

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:03 PM Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Waahoo!   I'll hope and pretend you saw a flurry of packing and shipping
> of them to those of us not fortunate enough to live near the mothership!
>
> Is the orange in the photo accurate? I ask because the blue and sage look
> off. If you get a chance to photograph yours in real light and post it that
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 4:48:03 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> I drive up today to pick up my Medium Orange frame, Silver crankset,
>> special Bosco bars my 40 spoked custome Rich built wheels and a few extra
>> parts. As usual, Vince, Grant, Mark, Rich and everyone else were super
>> nice, and even though the frames were just delivered yesterday, the
>> accommodated my eagerness and anticipation and prepped the frame while I
>> was waiting.
>>
>> I'm still waiting on the polished Motolites, which should ship out next
>> week at the latest and will enjoy building it slowly to savor every moment.
>> There will be numerous asks for my wife to give her feedback so she feels
>> she also owns it, such as blue vs. white vs. gray cables, blue vs. silver
>> pedals, grip types, etc. She needs to feel it's also hers so she starts
>> enjoying it. And I promise I'll be very gentle and obey her every whim when
>> she rides with me.
>>
>> As usual, I'll post photos of the progress of the build and the different
>> options being considered.
>>
>> In the meantime, enjoy the first view of the Hubbuhubbuhs hanging in the
>> showroom. One color is still not displayed.
>> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> René
>>
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[RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Bill Lindsay]

Yeah I'm torn.  I'm super excited to go pick mine up, but I'm wracked with 
bike shop guilt about Mark and Brian's stress level trying to make 
everybody happy.  I kind of feel like staying out of their way for a couple 
weeks to let the dust settle.  On the other hand, I really like doing 
builds and showing them off.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> Waahoo!   I'll hope and pretend you saw a flurry of packing and shipping 
> of them to those of us not fortunate enough to live near the mothership! 
>
> Is the orange in the photo accurate? I ask because the blue and sage look 
> off. If you get a chance to photograph yours in real light and post it that 
> would be great. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 4:48:03 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> I drive up today to pick up my Medium Orange frame, Silver crankset, 
>> special Bosco bars my 40 spoked custome Rich built wheels and a few extra 
>> parts. As usual, Vince, Grant, Mark, Rich and everyone else were super 
>> nice, and even though the frames were just delivered yesterday, the 
>> accommodated my eagerness and anticipation and prepped the frame while I 
>> was waiting. 
>>
>> I'm still waiting on the polished Motolites, which should ship out next 
>> week at the latest and will enjoy building it slowly to savor every moment. 
>> There will be numerous asks for my wife to give her feedback so she feels 
>> she also owns it, such as blue vs. white vs. gray cables, blue vs. silver 
>> pedals, grip types, etc. She needs to feel it's also hers so she starts 
>> enjoying it. And I promise I'll be very gentle and obey her every whim when 
>> she rides with me. 
>>
>> As usual, I'll post photos of the progress of the build and the different 
>> options being considered. 
>>
>> In the meantime, enjoy the first view of the Hubbuhubbuhs hanging in the 
>> showroom. One color is still not displayed. 
>> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> René 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Julian Westerhout]

Waahoo!   I'll hope and pretend you saw a flurry of packing and shipping of 
them to those of us not fortunate enough to live near the mothership! 

Is the orange in the photo accurate? I ask because the blue and sage look 
off. If you get a chance to photograph yours in real light and post it that 
would be great. 

Thanks, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 


On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 4:48:03 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> I drive up today to pick up my Medium Orange frame, Silver crankset, 
> special Bosco bars my 40 spoked custome Rich built wheels and a few extra 
> parts. As usual, Vince, Grant, Mark, Rich and everyone else were super 
> nice, and even though the frames were just delivered yesterday, the 
> accommodated my eagerness and anticipation and prepped the frame while I 
> was waiting. 
>
> I'm still waiting on the polished Motolites, which should ship out next 
> week at the latest and will enjoy building it slowly to savor every moment. 
> There will be numerous asks for my wife to give her feedback so she feels 
> she also owns it, such as blue vs. white vs. gray cables, blue vs. silver 
> pedals, grip types, etc. She needs to feel it's also hers so she starts 
> enjoying it. And I promise I'll be very gentle and obey her every whim when 
> she rides with me. 
>
> As usual, I'll post photos of the progress of the build and the different 
> options being considered. 
>
> In the meantime, enjoy the first view of the Hubbuhubbuhs hanging in the 
> showroom. One color is still not displayed. 
> https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157680299609103
>
> Enjoy!
>
> René 
>

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