Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-22 Thread Tyler Dewey 
Leah,

Pops spent a lot of time this year digitizing all the photos from a big 
bike tour we did together in 1996. We rode from Seattle to Minnesota. I 
think he recently posted some of them to his Flickr. I'll have to track 
down the link (or he can post it here). I always liked riding (and the 
conversations and food that accompanied riding), but reading the Rivendell 
Readers when I was younger definitely helped develop my love of bikes as 
more than an exercise machine. 

-Tyler

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 6:47:51 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Tyler, I love it. This is the greatest reply, ever. If you two dig up more 
> of these photographic gems, please show them to us here. I love that he 
> actually passed a love of cycling to you - I think we all wish we we knew 
> how to do that. My boys will ride, but they don’t get the joy I get from 
> it. They do it to get around. And I am not sure they ever look down at 
> their Clems and think they are beautiful bikes. They just ride.
>
> On Mar 9, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Tyler Dewey  wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
>
> Yes, that is me in those photos! Pops and I have been riding together 
> pretty much since I was born. I celebrated my 1st birthday on a bike tour 
> and never really stopped. I don't know how many miles we logged together, 
> but I imagine it would qualify for an around the world patch. Pops 
> introduced me to the Rivendell Reader when I was in high school, and now I 
> ride the black and cream canti-Hillborne he posted. 
>
> -Tyler
> Durham, NC
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Am I understanding that this is you and your son, Jock? You could be 
>> *brothers. 
>> *What great photos and a great story. Though I will say that first photo 
>> of you and the little guy has me thinking he might have been safer stuffed 
>> in a Backabike bag of his own, but it was the 80s! 
>>
>> L
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Jock Dewey  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/
>>
>> Jock Dewey
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
>>> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
>>> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
>>> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
>>> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
>>> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
>>> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
>>> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
>>> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
>>> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
>>> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
>>> tiny family members.
>>>
>>> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
>>> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
>>> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
>>> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>>>
>>> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
>>> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
>>> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
>>> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-14 Thread Kim Hetzel 
You are more than welcome, Joyce.

Kim.


On Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 6:13 PM JAS  wrote:

> Kim, thanks for the tip about the parks pass.
>
> Joyce
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:21:24 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Joyce,
>>
>> You will need a Discovery Pass for the parking lot at Hyak. Not sure
>> about Rattlesnake Lake.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 10:32 AM JAS  wrote:
>>
>>> Kim,
>>> Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will
>>> preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!
>>>
>>> I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look
>>> into it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into
>>> going so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think
>>> I'll be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '
>>>
>>> Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride
>>> report with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the
>>> round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.
>>>
>>> --Joyce
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:05:33 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding
> with one of two of my daughters; my youngest.
>
> I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness
> for all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together
> during a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid
> memories were built.
>
> One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles
> downhill on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going
> from Hyak at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to
> Rattlesnake Lake. It was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active 
> up
> until the 1980's from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail
> for hikers, bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to
> Spokane and beyond.
>
>
> https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake
>
> My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010,
> 2011 and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains
> to Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization.
>
> https://mtsgreenway.org/
>
> I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn,
> being tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a
> large bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not
> going to do that anymore. Very unhappy !
>
> This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am
> going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and
> back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. 
> I'm
> looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo
> woo.
>
> My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another
> direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week
> going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond
> alive. I am very grateful for that.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-14 Thread JAS 
Kim, thanks for the tip about the parks pass.

Joyce
On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:21:24 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joyce,
>
> You will need a Discovery Pass for the parking lot at Hyak. Not sure about 
> Rattlesnake Lake.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 10:32 AM JAS  wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>> Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will 
>> preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!
>>
>> I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look into 
>> it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into going 
>> so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think I'll 
>> be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '
>>
>> Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride 
>> report with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the 
>> round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.
>>
>> --Joyce
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:05:33 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
 I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding 
 with one of two of my daughters; my youngest. 

 I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness 
 for all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together 
 during a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid 
 memories were built.

 One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles 
 downhill on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going 
 from Hyak at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to 
 Rattlesnake Lake. It was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active 
 up 
 until the 1980's from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail 
 for hikers, bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to 
 Spokane and beyond. 


 https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake

 My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010, 
 2011 and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains 
 to Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization. 

 https://mtsgreenway.org/

 I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn, being 
 tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a large 
 bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not going 
 to do that anymore. Very unhappy !

 This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am 
 going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and 
 back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. 
 I'm 
 looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo 
 woo. 

 My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another 
 direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week 
 going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond 
 alive. I am very grateful for that.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-14 Thread Kim Hetzel 
Joyce,

You will need a Discovery Pass for the parking lot at Hyak. Not sure about
Rattlesnake Lake.

Kim Hetzel.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 10:32 AM JAS  wrote:

> Kim,
> Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will
> preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!
>
> I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look into
> it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into going
> so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think I'll
> be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '
>
> Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride report
> with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the
> round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.
>
> --Joyce
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:05:33 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding
>>> with one of two of my daughters; my youngest.
>>>
>>> I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness for
>>> all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together during
>>> a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid memories
>>> were built.
>>>
>>> One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles downhill
>>> on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going from Hyak
>>> at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to Rattlesnake Lake. It
>>> was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active up until the 1980's
>>> from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail for hikers,
>>> bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to Spokane and
>>> beyond.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake
>>>
>>> My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010, 2011
>>> and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains to
>>> Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization.
>>>
>>> https://mtsgreenway.org/
>>>
>>> I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn, being
>>> tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a large
>>> bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not going
>>> to do that anymore. Very unhappy !
>>>
>>> This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am
>>> going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and
>>> back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. I'm
>>> looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo
>>> woo.
>>>
>>> My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another
>>> direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week
>>> going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond
>>> alive. I am very grateful for that.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-10 Thread JAS 
Kim,
Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will 
preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!

I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look into 
it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into going 
so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think I'll 
be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '

Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride report 
with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the 
round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.

--Joyce

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:05:33 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding with 
>> one of two of my daughters; my youngest. 
>>
>> I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness for 
>> all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together during 
>> a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid memories 
>> were built.
>>
>> One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles downhill 
>> on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going from Hyak 
>> at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to Rattlesnake Lake. It 
>> was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active up until the 1980's 
>> from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail for hikers, 
>> bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to Spokane and 
>> beyond. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake
>>
>> My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010, 2011 
>> and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains to 
>> Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization. 
>>
>> https://mtsgreenway.org/
>>
>> I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn, being 
>> tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a large 
>> bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not going 
>> to do that anymore. Very unhappy !
>>
>> This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am 
>> going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and 
>> back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. I'm 
>> looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo 
>> woo. 
>>
>> My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another 
>> direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week 
>> going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond 
>> alive. I am very grateful for that.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-09 Thread Leah Peterson 
Tyler, I love it. This is the greatest reply, ever. If you two dig up more of these photographic gems, please show them to us here. I love that he actually passed a love of cycling to you - I think we all wish we we knew how to do that. My boys will ride, but they don’t get the joy I get from it. They do it to get around. And I am not sure they ever look down at their Clems and think they are beautiful bikes. They just ride.On Mar 9, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Tyler Dewey  wrote:Leah,Yes, that is me in those photos! Pops and I have been riding together pretty much since I was born. I celebrated my 1st birthday on a bike tour and never really stopped. I don't know how many miles we logged together, but I imagine it would qualify for an around the world patch. Pops introduced me to the Rivendell Reader when I was in high school, and now I ride the black and cream canti-Hillborne he posted. -TylerDurham, NCOn Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Am I understanding that this is you and your son, Jock? You could be brothers. What great photos and a great story. Though I will say that first photo of you and the little guy has me thinking he might have been safer stuffed in a Backabike bag of his own, but it was the 80s! LOn Mar 5, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Jock Dewey  wrote:https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/Jock DeweyOn Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my tiny family members.(I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment for a better experience for the tortured family members?Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-09 Thread Tyler Dewey 
Leah,

Yes, that is me in those photos! Pops and I have been riding together 
pretty much since I was born. I celebrated my 1st birthday on a bike tour 
and never really stopped. I don't know how many miles we logged together, 
but I imagine it would qualify for an around the world patch. Pops 
introduced me to the Rivendell Reader when I was in high school, and now I 
ride the black and cream canti-Hillborne he posted. 

-Tyler
Durham, NC

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Am I understanding that this is you and your son, Jock? You could be 
> *brothers. 
> *What great photos and a great story. Though I will say that first photo 
> of you and the little guy has me thinking he might have been safer stuffed 
> in a Backabike bag of his own, but it was the 80s! 
>
> L
>
> On Mar 5, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Jock Dewey  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/
>
> Jock Dewey
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
>> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
>> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
>> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
>> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
>> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
>> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
>> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
>> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
>> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
>> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
>> tiny family members.
>>
>> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
>> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
>> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
>> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>>
>> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
>> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
>> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
>> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-06 Thread Joe Bernard 
Well the bike park is adorable. He was having fun! 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-06 Thread JAS 
Oh my gosh, Leah...these are a riot.  What's even funnier is your plan to 
add the evidence to the graduation slide show; he'll really love that!

Your dog wasn't being tortured; he was happy to be there in whatever way he 
could smush his body into the backpack or basket.  Happy to be with his 
people and not left behind.  

To all who have "tortured" their kids and significant others with rides 
that were too long or bikes that weren't up to snuff, forgive yourselves!  
They had bikes and you made time to ride together.  Good for bonding, fresh 
air and fun.  My hat is off to you!

--Joyce

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I hope you laugh. This is us, taking our kids on a bike ride, and we 
> discovered this track. There were kids doing real BMX stuff and then there 
> was…us. With our Specialized 24 inch bike, full rack and basket. The 
> dreaded triangle clipped to the blissful, unsuspecting child’s back. What 
> did we think we were doing? Who did we think we were? How much restraint 
> did those older kids possess that they did not laugh us off their track? 
>
> I’ve silenced the video to spare you our commentary, but if the sound was 
> on you would also hear my child’s delighted squeals. He had a lot of fun. 
> He looked like a dork. And he had a lot of fun. I will play this on a 
> running loop at his graduation open house. So help me, I will.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-06 Thread John Dewey 
That's a delightful story, Ted. And kudos to you for figuring it out.
There's no room in the tent for discord :  )

BEST / Jock

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 6:21 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:23:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who
> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.”
>
>
> Leah once again starts an epic thread. It's much more (fun) when they get
> to be middle school age!
>
> My wife and I honeymooned in Vermont on our Santana tandem. Yes, 27"
> wheels with 1 1/8" tires, right, Jock? So, around the time our daughters
> were middle school aged, we bought another tandem (Co-Motion Periscopa) for
> a family Christmas present and the following summer packed up the minivan
> and headed for Vermont. We started out with adult/child pairs on each, and
> it was immediately obvious that one pair was a lot faster than the other.
> We struggled through a rainy first day that way, and tempers were short in
> our soggy tent that night. The next morning dawned clear and beautiful, but
> after the first hill it was clear we needed to change things up. We put
> both kids on the Co-Motion and they disappeared up the next hill, leaving
> the old folks behind. The smiles on their faces didn't disappear the rest
> of the trip. Considering how rocky their relationship could be (middle
> school girls, remember...) it was a miracle. We were just glad we didn't
> take too long to figure it out!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-06 Thread Ted Durant 
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:23:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” 


Leah once again starts an epic thread. It's much more (fun) when they get 
to be middle school age!

My wife and I honeymooned in Vermont on our Santana tandem. Yes, 27" wheels 
with 1 1/8" tires, right, Jock? So, around the time our daughters were 
middle school aged, we bought another tandem (Co-Motion Periscopa) for a 
family Christmas present and the following summer packed up the minivan and 
headed for Vermont. We started out with adult/child pairs on each, and it 
was immediately obvious that one pair was a lot faster than the other. We 
struggled through a rainy first day that way, and tempers were short in our 
soggy tent that night. The next morning dawned clear and beautiful, but 
after the first hill it was clear we needed to change things up. We put 
both kids on the Co-Motion and they disappeared up the next hill, leaving 
the old folks behind. The smiles on their faces didn't disappear the rest 
of the trip. Considering how rocky their relationship could be (middle 
school girls, remember...) it was a miracle. We were just glad we didn't 
take too long to figure it out!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-05 Thread R. Alexis 
That is funny! There is some insistence early on to get the ones we are 
close to involved with our cycling lifestyle. Fixed up a bike for a crazy 
girlfriend way back when from a bike I bought used with a bent fork. 
Replaced the fork. She may have rode it once or twice. I don't remember. We 
broke up and she tried to take it along with other stuff some time after, 
probably with the thought of selling it. I blocked that. Next girlfriend 
rode it a couple times. I built her a different bike. She may have rode 
that one a couple times. Brought home another bike for her and she never 
got a chance to ride it. Last recent person I had a relationship with 
stated she never learned to ride a bike because her brother would take and 
destroy the bike she had when they were young. She also self proclaimed to 
be pretty clumsy. I didn't want push the issue. Last I wanted was to have 
her wipe out and get hurt. That relationship went by the wayside, so 
nothing to worry about now. Was interacting with someone else and that 
person mentioned she has knee issues that prevent riding a bike. I 
mentioned e-bike to her. 

Your kids will probably remember it as a positive adventure. You are better 
aware now. Offer, but not push is the thing. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis



On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:23:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
> tiny family members.
>
> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>
> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-05 Thread Jock Dewey 
Michael, the tires on our Santana were 27" @ 28 mm wide mounted on 48 spoke 
wheels front/rear. We punctured only once in just under 2,000 
miles—Anacortes, WA to Thief River Falls, MN...on a gravel road into 
Glacier NP. Quite a machine that was. We never touched our tool set.

BEST / Jock


On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:25:42 PM UTC-8 Michael Hammer wrote:

> Skinny tires on those tandems!  Times have changed.  Seems like a lot of 
> bike for those tires.  
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:43:34 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Am I understanding that this is you and your son, Jock? You could be 
>> *brothers. 
>> *What great photos and a great story. Though I will say that first photo 
>> of you and the little guy has me thinking he might have been safer stuffed 
>> in a Backabike bag of his own, but it was the 80s! 
>>
>> L
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Jock Dewey  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/
>>
>> Jock Dewey
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
>>> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
>>> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
>>> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
>>> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
>>> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
>>> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
>>> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
>>> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
>>> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
>>> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
>>> tiny family members.
>>>
>>> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
>>> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
>>> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
>>> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>>>
>>> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
>>> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
>>> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
>>> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-05 Thread Michael Hammer 
Skinny tires on those tandems!  Times have changed.  Seems like a lot of 
bike for those tires.  

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:43:34 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Am I understanding that this is you and your son, Jock? You could be 
> *brothers. 
> *What great photos and a great story. Though I will say that first photo 
> of you and the little guy has me thinking he might have been safer stuffed 
> in a Backabike bag of his own, but it was the 80s! 
>
> L
>
> On Mar 5, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Jock Dewey  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/
>
> Jock Dewey
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
>> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
>> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
>> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
>> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
>> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
>> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
>> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
>> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
>> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
>> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
>> tiny family members.
>>
>> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
>> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
>> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
>> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>>
>> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
>> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
>> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
>> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-05 Thread Leah Peterson 
Am I understanding that this is you and your son, Jock? You could be brothers. What great photos and a great story. Though I will say that first photo of you and the little guy has me thinking he might have been safer stuffed in a Backabike bag of his own, but it was the 80s! LOn Mar 5, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Jock Dewey  wrote:https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/Jock DeweyOn Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my tiny family members.(I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment for a better experience for the tortured family members?Leah



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[RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-05 Thread Garth 
Sure thing, as a teen/young adult traveling with the family was always 
"make room for one more", the bike of course. But the bike was most 
important though . ((( laughing ))) ... gawl darnit. Protect at all 
cost from weather, thieves and any potential for trauma. I don't care what 
happens to me, save the bike ! 

The garage too, make room for one more, or two, or three .. you know. 
We had a large garage with a small shop area in back so thankfully that was 
no problem. My Dad and brother are both do-it-alls around the house and car 
and everything they can get their hands on, including building the house 
and the car, it sorta runs in the family.  Me not as much, I was a last 
born and by then everyone is tired of kids, so you end up exploring on your 
own a lot. I try to play fix-it all the time, I screw up al lot, but that 
doesn't deter me as usually there's simply no one else to call upon. A 
Horsey has to drink all on their own, and oh what a fulfilling drink it is 
!  Mostly I just like to ride . feel the breeze the heat ... the 
cold  smell the air. all the nuances that the wind carries with it. 
The ups and down and all arounds with twists and crowns. It's never the 
same twice so you can never go without. I'm probably someone who would ride 
off in the sunset some day and simply never bee seen again, going to the 
land of ... enchanting SunShine. Not in a cliche' kind of way ... 
definitely off script... real Living/Being is always more wonderful than 
all the scripts ever written combined. What a writer could only dream of 
. Life without the need or possibility of ever a dream. 
It's what's Happening, THIS !   Yes  :-)

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[RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-05 Thread Jock Dewey 
Now up to date.:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/52727172792/in/dateposted-family/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/52589941155/in/dateposted-family/

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:08:05 AM UTC-8 Jock Dewey wrote:

>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50736923117/in/album-72157717416628946/
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/49733185021/in/album-72157717416628946/
>
> Jock Dewey
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
>> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
>> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
>> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
>> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
>> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
>> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
>> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
>> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
>> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
>> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
>> tiny family members.
>>
>> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
>> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
>> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
>> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>>
>> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
>> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
>> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
>> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-05 Thread Jock Dewey 
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Jock Dewey
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
> tiny family members.
>
> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>
> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

2023-03-04 Thread Joe Bernard 
This is my favorite part: "And also, pedal harder." 

Joe "will be hearing this if I ever make it to a Leah group ride" Bernard

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:23:32 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
> tiny family members.
>
> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>
> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
> Leah
>
>
>

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