[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
I think if you don't like the 'Chippers, you won't like the Midges. Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, February 7, 2013 4:03:29 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote: OK...well the woodchippers are crossed off. I took a trip across town today to visit a LBS that carries a bunch of Salsa / Surly goodies and they had several bikes set up with the WC bars. I really liked the top position, and the hoods, but the drops were way outside my ideal. Too wide and too angled toward the ground. I might try to find something with a Midge set up and check those out. I like the idea that the drops are shallow, but basically level. The brake hoods should still offer a good flat position and effectively widen and pull back my hands vs the mustache. It would also add the comfy top position the m-bar lacks. I'll never part with the mustache because I do like it tried and true. BUT I had a flat bar set up I liked before I tried the m-bar, so it's always good to try new things. So far, the mustache has won out against; Noodles, Soma ARC, Bullmoose, and Albatross configurations. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Is this necessarily true? I didn't use the Woodchipper very long at all, but they are wider than the Midge and seemed to have a steeper flare and less comfortable hoods -- it was some time ago, so I may not remember accurately. But the Midges are definitely worth a look, if not a try -- somewhere on the web there is a comparison but I've lost the link. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I think if you don't like the 'Chippers, you won't like the Midges. Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, February 7, 2013 4:03:29 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote: OK...well the woodchippers are crossed off. I took a trip across town today to visit a LBS that carries a bunch of Salsa / Surly goodies and they had several bikes set up with the WC bars. I really liked the top position, and the hoods, but the drops were way outside my ideal. Too wide and too angled toward the ground. I might try to find something with a Midge set up and check those out. I like the idea that the drops are shallow, but basically level. The brake hoods should still offer a good flat position and effectively widen and pull back my hands vs the mustache. It would also add the comfy top position the m-bar lacks. I'll never part with the mustache because I do like it tried and true. BUT I had a flat bar set up I liked before I tried the m-bar, so it's always good to try new things. So far, the mustache has won out against; Noodles, Soma ARC, Bullmoose, and Albatross configurations. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
I was thinking if you don't like angled hoods... The Midge hoods are more angled than the WCs, at about 45 degrees, vs the WCs almost vertical. The tops on the Midges are narrower. I do have the narrower Woodchipper bars, so that's something to account for, re my opinion. Twentynineinches.com is the canonical source for flared drop comparisons. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Also, see Matt Chester on 63xc.com and on his own blog, 5 meters of development (worth reading for other issues as well -- he's wordy and weird but has some interesting takes on off road riding, off road bikes, and off road bike setup. I personally find the Midge-+-Tektro hoods combo to be one of the most, and perhaps even the most, comfortable hood position that I've ever used -- and I was not at all expecting to do more than tolerate the hoods on this bar. The extra wide hoods, not to mention the super wide hooks, on the Woodchipper was one feature I didn't like; OTOH, WTBs and ilk had too much flare and hoods too close together. Of course, bars are second only to saddles in personal tastes, but I personally have found the Midge almost -- not quite, but almost -- the ideal compromise for my purposes, videlicet, comfortable on the road but with a wide and secure (and comfortable) stance for off-road control. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking if you don't like angled hoods... The Midge hoods are more angled than the WCs, at about 45 degrees, vs the WCs almost vertical. The tops on the Midges are narrower. I do have the narrower Woodchipper bars, so that's something to account for, re my opinion. Twentynineinches.com is the canonical source for flared drop comparisons. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Here's the bike with the fattys on it.http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/6860650144_3fd1cbb6d8_c.jpg That's a beautiful bike for sure! Nice metallic color. I'm a fan of Fizik Microtex bartape, usually over their gel pads and there are a couple of metallic colors that would look fantastic on that bike. Try the metal red or blue, or maybe the light blue. Or go understated with one of the European market-only browns? http://www.fizik.com/accessories/bartapes/Bar-Tape/ Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Now, that's a Rivendell. I wouldn't change a damn thing - totally dialed in. Woodchippers would give you more drop, but if you find the Moustache bars acceptable, they provide many more hand positions. With drop bar MTB bars, you're in the hooks almost exclusively. On Monday, February 4, 2013 4:42:15 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote: Over the last 5-6 months I have spent the majority of miles on the cross bike. Did some racing, but mainly a bunch of mixed path/singletrack riding. I have enjoyed it so much, and surprisingly become very comfortable with drop bars off road. That said, I am thinking of switching up the All Rounder for the upcoming spring-summer season. I've been riding it with my go to mustache bar setup, and some 40mm marathonesque Bontrager tires. Essentially X01 in nature. I'm thinking about throwing back on the fatty knobs and switching to something like a woodchipper drop bar with some new style canecreek levers. Sort of a monstercross I guess? I keep wanting to add some (additional) color to the bike with the bar wrap, but the yellow of the frame is an extremely STRONG hue to get along with. I've tried black, white, and natural cork, but meh. I was considering trying to find one of those green brooks and matching the bars. Maybe a dk.green / celery green harlequin would be cool?? Hit me up on your woodchipper thoughts and aesthetic preponderances! Here's the bike with the fattys on it.http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/6860650144_3fd1cbb6d8_c.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
The Midges give me 4 hand positions including the very relaxing flats position. Patrick Moore iPhone On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Now, that's a Rivendell. I wouldn't change a damn thing - totally dialed in. Woodchippers would give you more drop, but if you find the Moustache bars acceptable, they provide many more hand positions. With drop bar MTB bars, you're in the hooks almost exclusively. On Monday, February 4, 2013 4:42:15 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote: Over the last 5-6 months I have spent the majority of miles on the cross bike. Did some racing, but mainly a bunch of mixed path/singletrack riding. I have enjoyed it so much, and surprisingly become very comfortable with drop bars off road. That said, I am thinking of switching up the All Rounder for the upcoming spring-summer season. I've been riding it with my go to mustache bar setup, and some 40mm marathonesque Bontrager tires. Essentially X01 in nature. I'm thinking about throwing back on the fatty knobs and switching to something like a woodchipper drop bar with some new style canecreek levers. Sort of a monstercross I guess? I keep wanting to add some (additional) color to the bike with the bar wrap, but the yellow of the frame is an extremely STRONG hue to get along with. I've tried black, white, and natural cork, but meh. I was considering trying to find one of those green brooks and matching the bars. Maybe a dk.green / celery green harlequin would be cool?? Hit me up on your woodchipper thoughts and aesthetic preponderances! Here's the bike with the fattys on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
I'm with Esteban-- I love how the All-Rounder looks with Moustache bars. If you're comfortable on them now, I'd say keep 'em. Consider yourself lucky--a lot of people just don't find them comfortable. Woodchippers are cool bars for the right bike (something like a Salsa Fargo, Singular Gryphon, or custom Matt Chester drop bar fixed gear monstercrosser) but aesthetically I find them a bit weird, they don't jive with the classic level TT design of an early Riv. In any case, as others have pointed out, it can be difficult to get them to play well with certain quill stems. On Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:57:35 AM UTC-8, Esteban wrote: Now, that's a Rivendell. I wouldn't change a damn thing - totally dialed in. Woodchippers would give you more drop, but if you find the Moustache bars acceptable, they provide many more hand positions. With drop bar MTB bars, you're in the hooks almost exclusively. On Monday, February 4, 2013 4:42:15 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote: Over the last 5-6 months I have spent the majority of miles on the cross bike. Did some racing, but mainly a bunch of mixed path/singletrack riding. I have enjoyed it so much, and surprisingly become very comfortable with drop bars off road. That said, I am thinking of switching up the All Rounder for the upcoming spring-summer season. I've been riding it with my go to mustache bar setup, and some 40mm marathonesque Bontrager tires. Essentially X01 in nature. I'm thinking about throwing back on the fatty knobs and switching to something like a woodchipper drop bar with some new style canecreek levers. Sort of a monstercross I guess? I keep wanting to add some (additional) color to the bike with the bar wrap, but the yellow of the frame is an extremely STRONG hue to get along with. I've tried black, white, and natural cork, but meh. I was considering trying to find one of those green brooks and matching the bars. Maybe a dk.green / celery green harlequin would be cool?? Hit me up on your woodchipper thoughts and aesthetic preponderances! Here's the bike with the fattys on it.http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/6860650144_3fd1cbb6d8_c.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
OK...well the woodchippers are crossed off. I took a trip across town today to visit a LBS that carries a bunch of Salsa / Surly goodies and they had several bikes set up with the WC bars. I really liked the top position, and the hoods, but the drops were way outside my ideal. Too wide and too angled toward the ground. I might try to find something with a Midge set up and check those out. I like the idea that the drops are shallow, but basically level. The brake hoods should still offer a good flat position and effectively widen and pull back my hands vs the mustache. It would also add the comfy top position the m-bar lacks. I'll never part with the mustache because I do like it tried and true. BUT I had a flat bar set up I liked before I tried the m-bar, so it's always good to try new things. So far, the mustache has won out against; Noodles, Soma ARC, Bullmoose, and Albatross configurations. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Nice bikes -- interesting setups. I'm surprised you get only 53 mm from a 60 mm Big Apple. Are they new? Mine have measured up to 65 mm on wide rims. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Philip Williamson Woodchipper: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/6224830224/ Midge: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5936237230/ WTB: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/6950988857/in/photostream/ Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
I have a dark green Brooks B-17 on my QB, and it's never left any coloration on clothing, even in the rain. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jinxed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:29 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever?? WOW!! GREAT feedback, and thank you for the compliments (all due Rivendell). @ Patrick - Yea, I tried Noodles off road too, and felt a bit the same. I think because they are a more traditional shape, I ran into the same width vs. reach issue. I know one reason the set up on the cross bike is favorable is due to the modern ergo shaped bars and Rival shifters creating a nice big flat section which is where I spend the lions share of time. I'll only use the tops in flat sections, and the drops while climbing steep technical. However, a buddy of mine who is a FAR better cross rider swears by the interrupter levers. I have a set in a box so I might add them to the mix. I'll look at the midge too! @ Ryan - Thanks for the offer! A buddy of mine here in Denver emailed me that he had some woodchippers I could use to check them out. I'm hoping to get a look at them this weekend. Thanks on the color nod! It's a wild pearly, metallicy, acid yellowy green. Not being the original owner, I have no clue what it's called but it's certainly a color of...purpose. @ David - I think my buddy's Woodchippers are 46'ers? I'm a bit worried about the flare. Since I generally like to be on the hoods, it seems like a far reach down to the shifters AND to have them sticking out in the breeze to hit the treeze. Problem?? @ BobbyB - LOL!! BOSS BABY BOSS!! @ Keith - Holy crap that Ibis is insane. What a fun looking attack vehicle. I like the idea of the shallow drop and forward bend. I was a bit concerned that the way the WC flares out that it sort of rendered the tops of the hood unusable, but the profile shot looks to be ok? On a color note...do the green Brooks patina the um backside any more than a black or brown model? I'll assume they're dyed and sealed the same? My Cross Bikehttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8449645908_7b059065c6_c.jpg bars are modern 44 ergo drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Royal Blue Newbaum's with clear shellac will look great. You might consider putting 48cm Noodles on the bike. I have those on my LHT and love the way they feel, especially off road. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Other than maybe different colored tape wrap, I wouldn't change a thing... That baby is boss... BOSS!!! BB On Monday, February 4, 2013 7:42:15 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote: Over the last 5-6 months I have spent the majority of miles on the cross bike. Did some racing, but mainly a bunch of mixed path/singletrack riding. I have enjoyed it so much, and surprisingly become very comfortable with drop bars off road. That said, I am thinking of switching up the All Rounder for the upcoming spring-summer season. I've been riding it with my go to mustache bar setup, and some 40mm marathonesque Bontrager tires. Essentially X01 in nature. I'm thinking about throwing back on the fatty knobs and switching to something like a woodchipper drop bar with some new style canecreek levers. Sort of a monstercross I guess? I keep wanting to add some (additional) color to the bike with the bar wrap, but the yellow of the frame is an extremely STRONG hue to get along with. I've tried black, white, and natural cork, but meh. I was considering trying to find one of those green brooks and matching the bars. Maybe a dk.green / celery green harlequin would be cool?? Hit me up on your woodchipper thoughts and aesthetic preponderances! Here's the bike with the fattys on it.http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/6860650144_3fd1cbb6d8_c.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
I've got similar projects going on, but in the opposite direction. Like you, I've been preferring to ride my cross bike lately, on single track mostly. It has Woodchippers on it now, and I've uploaded some photos at the link below. Meanwhile, I'm about to take the moustache bars off of my (slightly too small) XO-1, replace them with some traditional-style dirt drops on a tall stem, and then put the moustache bars on my new All Rounder. Other than getting each bike to fit and perform as well as possible, my real goal is just to retain enough variety and differences between the bikes that I'll continue to ride them all. So for that reason alone, I'd be reluctant to completely take the moustache bars out of rotation, if it were me. Something to think about perhaps. I also think your bike is beautiful, just as it sits. But here are some thoughts on the Woodchippers: - I used the new ergo TRP levers from Rivendell, and they're fantastic. Even though the bars angle inward at the bends, the curve is more vertical than other dirt drops, so the hoods are actually usable as a 2nd hand position. And because of the lever shape, they are easy to reach from the drop postion, too. I was also able to add interupter levers at the top, though I had to replace the clamp screw with a slightly longer one, because they are just barely affected by the bulge in the center of the bar. (I have the normal 25.4 version. The oversize 31.8 version probably wouldn't work.) So this actually gives me three hand positions! As noted above, get the wider version, because I don't think the narrower one would give you as many hand positions - That said, for any kind of technical or off-road riding, you will absolutely want to have you hands in the drop position for control. No way around it.The problem, at least for me, is that these are the same circumstances when I want to be sitting more upright. Going down a steep, bumpy hill can be pretty uncomfortable when you're hunched over, and I've had more than one endo because I couldn't get my weight back far enough. They're not as bad as most road-style drop bars for off road use, because the drop is shallow and the forward bend is small, but the unique angles have a completely different feel to them, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. - With all this in mind, I feel like are really designed and best suited for a bike with a very tall head tube, like the Fargo, which would put the top of the bars ABOVE your saddle. My own bike doesn't lend itself to this, but I HAVE recently switched to a taller stem, as you can see in one of the photos (with the trail in the background.) I still like the bars enough to not want to get rid of them, but I'm not taking the bike in the mountains any more. - You COULD possibly use a taller stem but NOT the Nitto Dirt Drop!!! (This is important!) Because of the way the bar bends and the angle that the quill will pass when you rotate it, it is impossible to fit them in without having to cut about 1 1/2 off the ends, at which point you've completely ruined the nicest thing about the bars - the nice, wide, angled lower section. Even if you do get them cut down and installed, you might put a huge gouge in your stem and score the bars to the point that you wouldn't trust them not to break. Go ahead... ask me how I know.(If you want to try a free cut-down pair in a dirt drop stem, just to see if you like them, send me a note.) Uploaded some pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/87152838@N05/sets/72157632696827760/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Keith: interesting observations. I'm curious about the differences between the Midge (which I've recently found to the be ne plus ultra of flared, offroad drops) and the Woodchipper (which I disliked at first sight: wish I had one to compare to the Midege). My own objection to the Woodchipper was the feeling of immense width. I gather that the Woodchipper's hooks are angled more steeply than the Midge's, making the flat wider and therefore the hoods further apart -- the Midge puts the hoods at about 42 cm apart (c-c) which is just right for me. Just noticed that the Woodchipper comes in a 42 cm width -- perhaps **that's** the ideal off road bar??? At any rate, I wonder if you can't get a Woodchipper or Midge through a Nitto Dirt Drop stem using that neat little Nitto pry tool that opens the clamp up? I agree that the right brake lever hood makes such flared bars even better -- the long-hooded Tektro V-brake levers give me a hoods position on the Midge that is as comfortable as that on any road bar that I've used. 42 cm Woodchippers: wish I'd tried those instead of the 46s which were just too damned wide. I had 42 Noodles on the Fargo which felt just right -- except that they gave wholly insufficient leverage off road. A 42 cm bar with shallow and short hooks as default might be just the right thing. Anyone have a 42 to get rid of? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:43 AM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote: I've got similar projects going on, but in the opposite direction. Like you, I've been preferring to ride my cross bike lately, on single track mostly. It has Woodchippers on it now, and I've uploaded some photos at the link below. Meanwhile, I'm about to take the moustache bars off of my (slightly too small) XO-1, replace them with some traditional-style dirt drops on a tall stem, and then put the moustache bars on my new All Rounder. Other than getting each bike to fit and perform as well as possible, my real goal is just to retain enough variety and differences between the bikes that I'll continue to ride them all. So for that reason alone, I'd be reluctant to completely take the moustache bars out of rotation, if it were me. Something to think about perhaps. I also think your bike is beautiful, just as it sits. But here are some thoughts on the Woodchippers: - I used the new ergo TRP levers from Rivendell, and they're fantastic. Even though the bars angle inward at the bends, the curve is more vertical than other dirt drops, so the hoods are actually usable as a 2nd hand position. And because of the lever shape, they are easy to reach from the drop postion, too. I was also able to add interupter levers at the top, though I had to replace the clamp screw with a slightly longer one, because they are just barely affected by the bulge in the center of the bar. (I have the normal 25.4 version. The oversize 31.8 version probably wouldn't work.) So this actually gives me three hand positions! As noted above, get the wider version, because I don't think the narrower one would give you as many hand positions - That said, for any kind of technical or off-road riding, you will absolutely want to have you hands in the drop position for control. No way around it.The problem, at least for me, is that these are the same circumstances when I want to be sitting more upright. Going down a steep, bumpy hill can be pretty uncomfortable when you're hunched over, and I've had more than one endo because I couldn't get my weight back far enough. They're not as bad as most road-style drop bars for off road use, because the drop is shallow and the forward bend is small, but the unique angles have a completely different feel to them, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. - With all this in mind, I feel like are really designed and best suited for a bike with a very tall head tube, like the Fargo, which would put the top of the bars ABOVE your saddle. My own bike doesn't lend itself to this, but I HAVE recently switched to a taller stem, as you can see in one of the photos (with the trail in the background.) I still like the bars enough to not want to get rid of them, but I'm not taking the bike in the mountains any more. - You COULD possibly use a taller stem but NOT the Nitto Dirt Drop!!! (This is important!) Because of the way the bar bends and the angle that the quill will pass when you rotate it, it is impossible to fit them in without having to cut about 1 1/2 off the ends, at which point you've completely ruined the nicest thing about the bars - the nice, wide, angled lower section. Even if you do get them cut down and installed, you might put a huge gouge in your stem and score the bars to the point that you wouldn't trust them not to break. Go ahead... ask me how I know.(If you want to try a free cut-down pair in a dirt drop stem, just to see if you like them, send me a note.) Uploaded some pics here:
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
I can't seem to make sense of why you cannot use a Nitto Dirt Drop stem with the Woodchiper bars... I don't have them, but it puzzles me... On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Keith: interesting observations. I'm curious about the differences between the Midge (which I've recently found to the be ne plus ultra of flared, offroad drops) and the Woodchipper (which I disliked at first sight: wish I had one to compare to the Midege). My own objection to the Woodchipper was the feeling of immense width. I gather that the Woodchipper's hooks are angled more steeply than the Midge's, making the flat wider and therefore the hoods further apart -- the Midge puts the hoods at about 42 cm apart (c-c) which is just right for me. Just noticed that the Woodchipper comes in a 42 cm width -- perhaps **that's** the ideal off road bar??? At any rate, I wonder if you can't get a Woodchipper or Midge through a Nitto Dirt Drop stem using that neat little Nitto pry tool that opens the clamp up? I agree that the right brake lever hood makes such flared bars even better -- the long-hooded Tektro V-brake levers give me a hoods position on the Midge that is as comfortable as that on any road bar that I've used. 42 cm Woodchippers: wish I'd tried those instead of the 46s which were just too damned wide. I had 42 Noodles on the Fargo which felt just right -- except that they gave wholly insufficient leverage off road. A 42 cm bar with shallow and short hooks as default might be just the right thing. Anyone have a 42 to get rid of? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:43 AM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote: I've got similar projects going on, but in the opposite direction. Like you, I've been preferring to ride my cross bike lately, on single track mostly. It has Woodchippers on it now, and I've uploaded some photos at the link below. Meanwhile, I'm about to take the moustache bars off of my (slightly too small) XO-1, replace them with some traditional-style dirt drops on a tall stem, and then put the moustache bars on my new All Rounder. Other than getting each bike to fit and perform as well as possible, my real goal is just to retain enough variety and differences between the bikes that I'll continue to ride them all. So for that reason alone, I'd be reluctant to completely take the moustache bars out of rotation, if it were me. Something to think about perhaps. I also think your bike is beautiful, just as it sits. But here are some thoughts on the Woodchippers: - I used the new ergo TRP levers from Rivendell, and they're fantastic. Even though the bars angle inward at the bends, the curve is more vertical than other dirt drops, so the hoods are actually usable as a 2nd hand position. And because of the lever shape, they are easy to reach from the drop postion, too. I was also able to add interupter levers at the top, though I had to replace the clamp screw with a slightly longer one, because they are just barely affected by the bulge in the center of the bar. (I have the normal 25.4 version. The oversize 31.8 version probably wouldn't work.) So this actually gives me three hand positions! As noted above, get the wider version, because I don't think the narrower one would give you as many hand positions - That said, for any kind of technical or off-road riding, you will absolutely want to have you hands in the drop position for control. No way around it.The problem, at least for me, is that these are the same circumstances when I want to be sitting more upright. Going down a steep, bumpy hill can be pretty uncomfortable when you're hunched over, and I've had more than one endo because I couldn't get my weight back far enough. They're not as bad as most road-style drop bars for off road use, because the drop is shallow and the forward bend is small, but the unique angles have a completely different feel to them, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. - With all this in mind, I feel like are really designed and best suited for a bike with a very tall head tube, like the Fargo, which would put the top of the bars ABOVE your saddle. My own bike doesn't lend itself to this, but I HAVE recently switched to a taller stem, as you can see in one of the photos (with the trail in the background.) I still like the bars enough to not want to get rid of them, but I'm not taking the bike in the mountains any more. - You COULD possibly use a taller stem but NOT the Nitto Dirt Drop!!! (This is important!) Because of the way the bar bends and the angle that the quill will pass when you rotate it, it is impossible to fit them in without having to cut about 1 1/2 off the ends, at which point you've completely ruined the nicest thing about the bars - the nice, wide, angled lower section. Even if you do get them cut down and installed, you might put a huge gouge in your stem and score the
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I can't seem to make sense of why you cannot use a Nitto Dirt Drop stem with the Woodchiper bars... I don't have them, but it puzzles me... The Woodchipper only comes with a 31.8 clamp diameter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Not per this: http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222370492/79/Salsa-Moto-Ace-Woodchipper.html Tho' perhaps the 25.4 is no longer made? I must try a 42 *if* I can find one in a 25.4. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I can't seem to make sense of why you cannot use a Nitto Dirt Drop stem with the Woodchiper bars... I don't have them, but it puzzles me... The Woodchipper only comes with a 31.8 clamp diameter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Tho' perhaps the 25.4 is no longer made? That's why it says this in the listing: Item is discontinued and is no longer available -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Oh my! Helps to scroll down a bit. Never mind. I also see that the 42 cm bar is 59 cm wide at the hooks' ends, so there goes that, too. Patrick it *is* a disappointing day Moore On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Tho' perhaps the 25.4 is no longer made? That's why it says this in the listing: Item is discontinued and is no longer available -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
WOW!! GREAT feedback, and thank you for the compliments (all due Rivendell). @ Patrick - Yea, I tried Noodles off road too, and felt a bit the same. I think because they are a more traditional shape, I ran into the same width vs. reach issue. I know one reason the set up on the cross bike is favorable is due to the modern ergo shaped bars and Rival shifters creating a nice big flat section which is where I spend the lions share of time. I'll only use the tops in flat sections, and the drops while climbing steep technical. However, a buddy of mine who is a FAR better cross rider swears by the interrupter levers. I have a set in a box so I might add them to the mix. I'll look at the midge too! @ Ryan - Thanks for the offer! A buddy of mine here in Denver emailed me that he had some woodchippers I could use to check them out. I'm hoping to get a look at them this weekend. Thanks on the color nod! It's a wild pearly, metallicy, acid yellowy green. Not being the original owner, I have no clue what it's called but it's certainly a color of...purpose. @ David - I think my buddy's Woodchippers are 46'ers? I'm a bit worried about the flare. Since I generally like to be on the hoods, it seems like a far reach down to the shifters AND to have them sticking out in the breeze to hit the treeze. Problem?? @ BobbyB - LOL!! BOSS BABY BOSS!! @ Keith - Holy crap that Ibis is insane. What a fun looking attack vehicle. I like the idea of the shallow drop and forward bend. I was a bit concerned that the way the WC flares out that it sort of rendered the tops of the hood unusable, but the profile shot looks to be ok? On a color note...do the green Brooks patina the um backside any more than a black or brown model? I'll assume they're dyed and sealed the same? My Cross Bikehttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8449645908_7b059065c6_c.jpgbars are modern 44 ergo drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
They're out pretty far, but not problematically. Nail the hood width and don't worry about the flare. They fit on Dirt Drops if you can get the 25.4... guess I should have kept mine! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5846158807/ On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:28 PM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: WOW!! GREAT feedback, and thank you for the compliments (all due Rivendell). @ Patrick - Yea, I tried Noodles off road too, and felt a bit the same. I think because they are a more traditional shape, I ran into the same width vs. reach issue. I know one reason the set up on the cross bike is favorable is due to the modern ergo shaped bars and Rival shifters creating a nice big flat section which is where I spend the lions share of time. I'll only use the tops in flat sections, and the drops while climbing steep technical. However, a buddy of mine who is a FAR better cross rider swears by the interrupter levers. I have a set in a box so I might add them to the mix. I'll look at the midge too! @ Ryan - Thanks for the offer! A buddy of mine here in Denver emailed me that he had some woodchippers I could use to check them out. I'm hoping to get a look at them this weekend. Thanks on the color nod! It's a wild pearly, metallicy, acid yellowy green. Not being the original owner, I have no clue what it's called but it's certainly a color of...purpose. @ David - I think my buddy's Woodchippers are 46'ers? I'm a bit worried about the flare. Since I generally like to be on the hoods, it seems like a far reach down to the shifters AND to have them sticking out in the breeze to hit the treeze. Problem?? @ BobbyB - LOL!! BOSS BABY BOSS!! @ Keith - Holy crap that Ibis is insane. What a fun looking attack vehicle. I like the idea of the shallow drop and forward bend. I was a bit concerned that the way the WC flares out that it sort of rendered the tops of the hood unusable, but the profile shot looks to be ok? On a color note...do the green Brooks patina the um backside any more than a black or brown model? I'll assume they're dyed and sealed the same? My Cross Bikehttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8449645908_7b059065c6_c.jpgbars are modern 44 ergo drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??
Fantastic bike! I agree with the vote for navy blue tape, and Brooks makes some scary-bright saddles you might consider, too. I have the dark green one, and I don't know that it's patinated my pants, particularly. I have cyclotourist's old narrow Woodchipper, and I like it. I think it should be higher on the bike it's on, but the shape is good. I also have Midge bars on a hardtail MTB, and original WTB bars on my Quickbeam. And moustache bars on the remaining bike, for what it's worth. Of them all, the classic WTB bars are perfect, the Midge bars are quite good when dialed, and the Woodchippers are fine. For a while I liked the WCs more than the Midges, but now I'm back on the Midges, and I love them. If I had your awesome All-Rounder, I might get a threadless adapter, an open-face stem, and the 31.8 new Nitto dirt drops. Woodchipper: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/6224830224/ Midge: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5936237230/ WTB: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/6950988857/in/photostream/ Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
