Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I prefer threadless 'cause the adjusting I actually do is headset and bar swaps. To me the only advantage (besides looks) of quill is one I don't use: raising/lowering. Once I have a quill set I don't mess with it because I don't like marks on the stem. I'd rather just go threadless. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
Of course it can't look anything like a quilled Pearl, but it might be cold forged, be designed for unobtrusive steerer clamp bolts, have a similar bar clamp, and have the same finish, no? On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 10:50 PM Lum Gim Fong wrote: > I dont get this. > If it is a pop top stem for an aheadset steerer then it cannot look > anything like a tech or pearl. > Nitto already makes pop tops in silver so take your pick. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I dont get this. If it is a pop top stem for an aheadset steerer then it cannot look anything like a tech or pearl. Nitto already makes pop tops in silver so take your pick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I agree with you in theory, but: 1) I don't like the looks of the ones I've seen, and 2) they're more expensive than a stem/riser combo, especially if you need more than one stem during fitting. If you're in trial-and-error mode then modular is an advantage. But if (for example) Nitto made one that looked like their Technomic- or Pearl-style stems with a removable face, I'd buy it. On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 8:17:32 AM UTC-5, Hugh Flynn wrote: > > Best of both worlds is quill stem with removable face plate. Below Orange > makes some. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I’m interested to see examples of your small frame - high bars bikes set up with each method. Philip Santa Rosa, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
But realizing that I did not comment on convenience, I will do that now. When you have a frame with a long, long steerer with huge huge stack of spacers or a highly angled stem, it becomes quite a trigonometry problem to figure out which stem angle and extension to order to make the bars do X, Y or Z. If the frame was designed for high bars, perhaps that concern goes away. At that point, to me, it is mostly an aesthetic choice. Removable faceplates are a huge convenience with threadless, but in my opinion don't outweigh the above. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
Ah yes! Threaded is my choice. Sorry for the error. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
Do you mean, “threaded is my choice”? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
On small sized frames it is awfully tough to get the bars high on a threadless setup without having a ridiculously long steerer that looks silly or an intensely sloping top tube. For a classic looking smaller frame, threadless is my choice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
Best of both worlds is quill stem with removable face plate. Below Orange makes some. With there were more. I've "cheated" a bit and used threadless stems with quill adapters when trying to get my fit right. Once that's done, I've always replaced with a real quill just because I find the quill adapter approach to look so clunky. Hugh "fretting fiddler" Flynn Newburyport, MA On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:05 PM 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I get the best of both worlds on about half my bikes by using a threadless > stem and stem riser. The stem is threadless and has a removable faceplate > so I can swap the stem without stripping the bars. It's attached to a > riser that's essentially a threaded quill stem without the extension. A > link to Velo-Orange's option is below, but others make them as well (Soma > is the other one I use when I need one that's longer than VO's). It's not > as elegant as a classic quill stem, but oh man, the added convenience > overwhelms that drawback for most bikes. > > If you don't want to live with one forever, it's at least a great option > to let you dial in your stem dimensions before that one final set-up that > requires you to strip and retape. > > > https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/vo-threadless-stem-adaptor > > Dave > Boston/Indy > > On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:16:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> >> But OTOH, the huge amount of work saved by not having to untape the bar >> and remove clamped-on fittings, and the savings in replacing bar tape (I >> manage to mess up tape when removing it several times) makes the difference >> in my opinion a wash. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I get the best of both worlds on about half my bikes by using a threadless stem and stem riser. The stem is threadless and has a removable faceplate so I can swap the stem without stripping the bars. It's attached to a riser that's essentially a threaded quill stem without the extension. A link to Velo-Orange's option is below, but others make them as well (Soma is the other one I use when I need one that's longer than VO's). It's not as elegant as a classic quill stem, but oh man, the added convenience overwhelms that drawback for most bikes. If you don't want to live with one forever, it's at least a great option to let you dial in your stem dimensions before that one final set-up that requires you to strip and retape. https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/vo-threadless-stem-adaptor Dave Boston/Indy On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:16:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > > But OTOH, the huge amount of work saved by not having to untape the bar > and remove clamped-on fittings, and the savings in replacing bar tape (I > manage to mess up tape when removing it several times) makes the difference > in my opinion a wash. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
That's not too bad, I admit, but I have also to admit that I rather yearn for the pure, cold, distant beauty of a cold-forged Nitto Pearl. Can't they do that in a threadless format? Frankly, while I have no quarrel with lugs, lugs *as such* don't rock my boat, and I rather think that ornate lugs on a stem are a bit, well, hmm, ahem, shuffle shuffle, *loud.* On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Lum Gim Fong wrote: > Here is a good looking threadless stem: > https://store.somafab.com/nilust.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
Here is a good looking threadless stem: https://store.somafab.com/nilust.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I must say that this 1 cm difference in length (9 to 10) makes a surprisingly big difference in comfort, despite the weight penalty (10 grams exactly). I'll have to just live with the weight for the sake of comfort, but that's very Rivendellian-ish-ianesque, right? And the bar is now 1/4" below saddle, not 1" -- it just looks low and mean. I agree; the threadless system is more elegant in terms of means to end. I just wish more people made better looking, silver threadless stems. On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM jack loudon wrote: > I like threadless mainly because of the removable faceplate. I change out > handlebars and stems way too frequently, so a removable faceplate saves a > lot of bar tape unwrapping/rewrapping. Other reasons for threadless are: > (a) more rigid connection with steerer tube, which I like but others may > not; (b) easy to adjust headset in the field, and; (c) stems can be had for > 31.8 bars. And, (apologies to traditionalists) I also think threadless is > a better engineering solution. Having said all that, I prefer the looks of > threaded, and all the benefits of threadless really don't add up to much. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I like threadless mainly because of the removable faceplate. I change out handlebars and stems way too frequently, so a removable faceplate saves a lot of bar tape unwrapping/rewrapping. Other reasons for threadless are: (a) more rigid connection with steerer tube, which I like but others may not; (b) easy to adjust headset in the field, and; (c) stems can be had for 31.8 bars. And, (apologies to traditionalists) I also think threadless is a better engineering solution. Having said all that, I prefer the looks of threaded, and all the benefits of threadless really don't add up to much. Jack On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:17:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > There's a big difference between fiddling and fretting. I do fretting. > > True about reach for quill stems. More weight on the threadless side of > the equation. Or perhaps this: I swapped out stems more times with the > Matthews *because* it was so easy to do with a threadless system. I > recall "putting up" with slightly less than perfect reach on my erstwhile > Sam Hill at least partly because I didn't want to fiddle with (sorry, fret > about) the stem. > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM 'Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> Did you really type this: "And given my antipathy to fiddling"? >> Seriously? I read your posts precisely because they include all kinds of >> fiddling (off the top of my head: tire pressure, tire sealant [various >> kinds]; custom cassettes, varying the Q-factor, etc.) >> >> But to your main point. Even if your bike had a threaded steerer, you >> probably would have needed more than one stem, at least in terms of length, >> to vary the reach as much as you had. >> >> Tom Milani >> Alexandria, VA >> >> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote: >>> >>> I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At >>> first i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is >>> removed, but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... >>> especially if you know about where you want your bars. >>> >>> I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering >>> capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate >>> threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique > ** > ** > *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
There's a big difference between fiddling and fretting. I do fretting. True about reach for quill stems. More weight on the threadless side of the equation. Or perhaps this: I swapped out stems more times with the Matthews *because* it was so easy to do with a threadless system. I recall "putting up" with slightly less than perfect reach on my erstwhile Sam Hill at least partly because I didn't want to fiddle with (sorry, fret about) the stem. On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM 'Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Patrick, > > Did you really type this: "And given my antipathy to fiddling"? Seriously? > I read your posts precisely because they include all kinds of fiddling (off > the top of my head: tire pressure, tire sealant [various kinds]; custom > cassettes, varying the Q-factor, etc.) > > But to your main point. Even if your bike had a threaded steerer, you > probably would have needed more than one stem, at least in terms of length, > to vary the reach as much as you had. > > Tom Milani > Alexandria, VA > > On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote: >> >> I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At >> first i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is >> removed, but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... >> especially if you know about where you want your bars. >> >> I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering >> capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate >> threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
Should've made a better decision the first time swapping stems, cost for the third stem are on you not the style :p. I feel like the reach on my roadini is a little long with a 100mm stem. I'm reluctant to swap at the moment because of the hassle involved. Threadless I would've already done it... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
Patrick, Did you really type this: "And given my antipathy to fiddling"? Seriously? I read your posts precisely because they include all kinds of fiddling (off the top of my head: tire pressure, tire sealant [various kinds]; custom cassettes, varying the Q-factor, etc.) But to your main point. Even if your bike had a threaded steerer, you probably would have needed more than one stem, at least in terms of length, to vary the reach as much as you had. Tom Milani Alexandria, VA On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote: > > I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At first > i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is removed, > but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... especially if > you know about where you want your bars. > > I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering > capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate > threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary
I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At first i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is removed, but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... especially if you know about where you want your bars. I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
