[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
I have 35mm Mara Supremes on my Quickbeam and will be getting 40's on my Sam Hillborne (next week!). I've ridden probably 5,000 miles on the Maras after wearing out the Jack Browns the Quickbeam came with, and I must say they have a great feel and very good durability. I've gotten holes in two because of nails, and I just damaged a third as my stainless fender came undone and ripped it up some. When subjected to normal use they are more than reliable, have a long tread life, and have a really fun, light feel. I may be going to Marathon's w/ greenguard on the QB rather than repairing my Maras. Rode those a while on a geared bike and really enjoyed them. I think the 32 beats the Pasela mightily in quality.They list as heavy but they don't feel it, and with the the 7-10k mile life Riv estimates and @ $42 each, they're a real deal for a high mileage commuter. On Jan 30, 9:06 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, the JB blues might be a good option. I have some greens but no miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that! On 1/30/12, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I like my Marathon Supremes 700x40 (38mm) but put on my older standard marathon 700x47's (41mm actual) for the winter.because of their thick sidewalls. Never had a flat with the Supremes and they are pretty light and fast rolling for a 38mm wide tire. I've ridden Urban Max 700x32, Pasela TG 700x32 and standard Pasela blackwalls 700x35 and also the Ribmo in 700x35 (32 actual) the Ribmo is a tough tire similar to the Supremes but a little heavier. If you want no Flats dry the Marathon Plus or the new Greenguard Marathon I think those are as good as you can get. Maybe the cool new blue tubes Grant sells would be helpful also. On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
Don't take offense! I didn't mean any. If flats are the concern then yes the Rando Pros will do that for you. Specially if you don't have clearance for marathons. I think I rode 28s. I ride 32 Pasela TGs now and probably won't try another tire ever. I am going to get FOSS tubes eventually and that combo should do the trick. - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/WfXwEV3qTd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
Not offended, just don't want some nice tires to be buried by a couple of negative comments. Bill On Feb 1, 10:54 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take offense! I didn't mean any. If flats are the concern then yes the Rando Pros will do that for you. Specially if you don't have clearance for marathons. I think I rode 28s. I ride 32 Pasela TGs now and probably won't try another tire ever. I am going to get FOSS tubes eventually and that combo should do the trick. - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
Vittoria Randoneur Pro. The only tire I disliked riding on more than Marathons. Nearly impossible to puncture, nearly as impossible to mount. Iv'e talked to others who agree the only flat you'll get with a Vittoria Randoneur are pinch flats trying to get the damn things on or off. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4y0jdvHoNasJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
Wasn't freedom from flats exactly what the OP was looking for? I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. FWIW, I have no problems mounting the Rando Pros, and have never pinch flatted one. I don't expect a flat resistant, 460 gm tire to ride like an Open CX, but I think the Rando Pros ride just fine for a sturdy touring or commuting tire a la Marathon. The Rando Hypers are lighter, faster, and still seem relatively flat resistant. They might be a better comparison to a JB. Bill On Jan 31, 7:19 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: Vittoria Randoneur Pro. The only tire I disliked riding on more than Marathons. Nearly impossible to puncture, nearly as impossible to mount. Iv'e talked to others who agree the only flat you'll get with a Vittoria Randoneur are pinch flats trying to get the damn things on or off. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. I do not appreciate the ride of Marathons at all. Pasela TGs ride great and I've only had one flat. I bet Supremes are still more puncture resistant though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/foIyIQ5Kx0IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
Thanks Jim. This is the bike you originally built for Forrest. Possibly the 1st Riv in Israel. Although a guy from warmshowers.com showed up here on an MB4 the other day. Jay On Jan 30, 7:52 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Aside from solid rubber, no tire is impervious to puncture. The marathon supreme is a nice balance between toughness/durability and weight/suppleness. Obviously some people want more toughness, while others want lighter/more supple rubber. The toughest tire I know of would be the Marathon Plus. Some of the Specialized Armadillo tires are known to be tough, also. It should be noted that no tire protects against rim-side punctures or tube defects. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
My Atlantis came from Riv with Paselas but I don't know if they were TG or not. I went to T-servs when the originals wore out, then to Marathon Supreme. With each change I got fewer flats. With the MS, I average about 1 flat over the life of a tire, it's usually a wire from a radial tire. The MS seem to last about double the life of the original Paselas. Roads here are good and I tour with the Atlantis so it sees a fair share of variety on road quality. FWIW one of my touring buds has over 14,000 miles on a set of Marathon Plus, and they look to have quite a bit of life left. He doesn't care how a tire rides or what it weighs; only that it be puncture resistant and last a long time. Don't know how many flats he's had I suspect it's not many or he would have changed tires by now. dougP On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
I love Pasela TGs for they come in on the strength/ride/price calculus. Can't be beat for that IMHO. Bt, they're definitely not the most puncture resistant tire out there. I get about two punctures/ month with them, but I love the feel of them and put up with it. Recreational riding, NOT commuting. They're really fast for a 35mm tire. They have delicate side walls that start falling apart before the tread, but that's what makes them zippy (or so I tell myself). And $20 a piece is hard to argue with. Can't have it all. I'm Collaborating with Doug P The King of the Supremes and will be trying out some Marathon Supremes to see how they work for in a little! That said, no such thing as a puncture proof tire. You gotta' build 15 min or so into your schedule for contingencies... On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
That's odd; I found the 32 mm P TGs that came on my Herse rather doggy compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ... On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I love Pasela TGs for they come in on the strength/ride/price calculus. Can't be beat for that IMHO. Bt, they're definitely not the most puncture resistant tire out there. I get about two punctures/ month with them, but I love the feel of them and put up with it. Recreational riding, NOT commuting. They're really fast for a 35mm tire. They have delicate side walls that start falling apart before the tread, but that's what makes them zippy (or so I tell myself). And $20 a piece is hard to argue with. Can't have it all. I'm Collaborating with Doug P The King of the Supremes and will be trying out some Marathon Supremes to see how they work for in a little! That said, no such thing as a puncture proof tire. You gotta' build 15 min or so into your schedule for contingencies... On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
I can't perceive any difference between the TGs and non-TGs. They feel the same to me, so the Kevlar bead and potential extra protection win out! On Jan 30, 11:28 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: That's odd; I found the 32 mm P TGs that came on my Herse rather doggy compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ... On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I love Pasela TGs for they come in on the strength/ride/price calculus. Can't be beat for that IMHO. Bt, they're definitely not the most puncture resistant tire out there. I get about two punctures/ month with them, but I love the feel of them and put up with it. Recreational riding, NOT commuting. They're really fast for a 35mm tire. They have delicate side walls that start falling apart before the tread, but that's what makes them zippy (or so I tell myself). And $20 a piece is hard to argue with. Can't have it all. I'm Collaborating with Doug P The King of the Supremes and will be trying out some Marathon Supremes to see how they work for in a little! That said, no such thing as a puncture proof tire. You gotta' build 15 min or so into your schedule for contingencies... On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
Speaking of the P word, I've got a pair of used but still good (but see below) TGs 32s that I want to get rid of; cash -- make offer; trades: reading stuff; rear blinkies; front blinkies or small AAA (note: triple A and not AA) headlights; tubes for 622X60 mm tires (presta); ditto for 622X35 (28s fit fine); blah blah blah. ** One PTG has a slight casing defect that has been booted: the spot is about 5mm square. The present, fabric boot does not quite prevent a small bulge, but a stiffer or thicker boot would do that. OTOH, the deal includes 1 new, folding Michelin Axial Sport that looks very similar to the Paselas in tread and sidewall and, again, is new and is folding. Also can toss in 2 well used Spec Turbo 559X23 mms for your 56 cm or smaller Atlantis. (Just kidding.) Patrick Moore, who just ordered a pair of 622X35 Kojaks for his Fargo in ABQ, NM. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:43 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I can't perceive any difference between the TGs and non-TGs. They feel the same to me, so the Kevlar bead and potential extra protection win out! On Jan 30, 11:28 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: That's odd; I found the 32 mm P TGs that came on my Herse rather doggy compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ... On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I love Pasela TGs for they come in on the strength/ride/price calculus. Can't be beat for that IMHO. Bt, they're definitely not the most puncture resistant tire out there. I get about two punctures/ month with them, but I love the feel of them and put up with it. Recreational riding, NOT commuting. They're really fast for a 35mm tire. They have delicate side walls that start falling apart before the tread, but that's what makes them zippy (or so I tell myself). And $20 a piece is hard to argue with. Can't have it all. I'm Collaborating with Doug P The King of the Supremes and will be trying out some Marathon Supremes to see how they work for in a little! That said, no such thing as a puncture proof tire. You gotta' build 15 min or so into your schedule for contingencies... On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. attachment: aa.jpeg
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
The Jack Brown blues on my Sam have about 2800 miles on them with one puncture--a finishing nail. Zero punctures from goat heads (which are numerous around here), glass, radial tire debris, etc. The JB Blue would be my first choice for a commuting tire. On Jan 30, 3:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of the P word, I've got a pair of used but still good (but see below) TGs 32s that I want to get rid of; cash -- make offer; trades: reading stuff; rear blinkies; front blinkies or small AAA (note: triple A and not AA) headlights; tubes for 622X60 mm tires (presta); ditto for 622X35 (28s fit fine); blah blah blah. ** One PTG has a slight casing defect that has been booted: the spot is about 5mm square. The present, fabric boot does not quite prevent a small bulge, but a stiffer or thicker boot would do that. OTOH, the deal includes 1 new, folding Michelin Axial Sport that looks very similar to the Paselas in tread and sidewall and, again, is new and is folding. Also can toss in 2 well used Spec Turbo 559X23 mms for your 56 cm or smaller Atlantis. (Just kidding.) Patrick Moore, who just ordered a pair of 622X35 Kojaks for his Fargo in ABQ, NM. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:43 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I can't perceive any difference between the TGs and non-TGs. They feel the same to me, so the Kevlar bead and potential extra protection win out! On Jan 30, 11:28 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: That's odd; I found the 32 mm P TGs that came on my Herse rather doggy compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ... On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I love Pasela TGs for they come in on the strength/ride/price calculus. Can't be beat for that IMHO. Bt, they're definitely not the most puncture resistant tire out there. I get about two punctures/ month with them, but I love the feel of them and put up with it. Recreational riding, NOT commuting. They're really fast for a 35mm tire. They have delicate side walls that start falling apart before the tread, but that's what makes them zippy (or so I tell myself). And $20 a piece is hard to argue with. Can't have it all. I'm Collaborating with Doug P The King of the Supremes and will be trying out some Marathon Supremes to see how they work for in a little! That said, no such thing as a puncture proof tire. You gotta' build 15 min or so into your schedule for contingencies... On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html aa.jpeg 24KViewDownload
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
We are talking 700c here, right? My commuting choice is the Vittoria Randoneur Pro. I find it rolls decently, and gets fewer flats than a Pasela. Fewer even that the 650b Marathons I used for a while. Cheaper than a Schwalbe, too. If you really can't afford a flat, consider using Foss tubes, or tubes filled with a sealant, or just use Marathon Plusses and deal with the weight. Bill On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
I like my Marathon Supremes 700x40 (38mm) but put on my older standard marathon 700x47's (41mm actual) for the winter.because of their thick sidewalls. Never had a flat with the Supremes and they are pretty light and fast rolling for a 38mm wide tire. I've ridden Urban Max 700x32, Pasela TG 700x32 and standard Pasela blackwalls 700x35 and also the Ribmo in 700x35 (32 actual) the Ribmo is a tough tire similar to the Supremes but a little heavier. If you want no Flats dry the Marathon Plus or the new Greenguard Marathon I think those are as good as you can get. Maybe the cool new blue tubes Grant sells would be helpful also. On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
Yeah, the JB blues might be a good option. I have some greens but no miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that! On 1/30/12, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I like my Marathon Supremes 700x40 (38mm) but put on my older standard marathon 700x47's (41mm actual) for the winter.because of their thick sidewalls. Never had a flat with the Supremes and they are pretty light and fast rolling for a 38mm wide tire. I've ridden Urban Max 700x32, Pasela TG 700x32 and standard Pasela blackwalls 700x35 and also the Ribmo in 700x35 (32 actual) the Ribmo is a tough tire similar to the Supremes but a little heavier. If you want no Flats dry the Marathon Plus or the new Greenguard Marathon I think those are as good as you can get. Maybe the cool new blue tubes Grant sells would be helpful also. On Jan 30, 9:34 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's like this. I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to change flats to/from work. When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of Marathon Supremes. Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat, not a bad valve stem, a puncture. Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work? Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids' bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet. So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to SMPs? Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about 2000 km on it, 80 psi. I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my hand dirty. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, the JB blues might be a good option. I have some greens but no miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that! My JBB's make the coolest sound when they roll over broken glass at 85 psi. - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
