Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Follow-up on the updated Back-a-Bike bags: The redesign is excellent! It 
eliminates the moisture access point at the top two attachment points and 
seems a bit beefier, but that may be because the other set we have has been 
loved for a year. I'd still prefer a non-nylon buckle on the bottom (in my 
experience they break at cold temps).

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[John Bokman]

That sounds like a good setup.

I’d most likely be using these bags on my front panniers: Tubus Tara. The Tara 
has a U-shaped bottom rather than a flat bar. I wonder if this would not be 
optimal for the attachment of the Frost River. 

I wonder if others have used such an attachment system with Tubus Taras or 
similar?


> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Great question, John. My TourSacks were "lash on" (rather than elastic, as 
> you describe), and my experience is lash on systems are far less "playful" on 
> the rack over bumps for the simple reason that elastic gives, lashing does 
> not. My main issue with the TourSacks is the load on top needing a more solid 
> anchor point, not the load in the panniers, which was always solid for me, 
> though I suspect with a combined 4 top-o-rack lashing points on the Frost 
> River (two per pannier) vs. one on the TourSacks, the load will be even more 
> stable. But nothing like testing in real world bashing to find out! Grin.
> 
> I also have the new(well, to me) Nitto big rack (no tombstone, pannier 
> mounting bar) coming, so that will lower CG and improve access for securing 
> the top-load. Combined with a twill saddlesack on the way and a possible 
> frame bag from Frost River, all the niggling challenges I've had are getting 
> ironed out, I hope! Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 2:07:40 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Deacon, I'm curious about the attachment system of the Frost River bags. They 
> do indeed look rugged and weatherproof, with what I'd consider a good shape 
> (wide enough, not just tall). But as for the attachment: I  wonder if you 
> have used this buckle system before? In practice, can one get a snug enough 
> fit so the bags don't jump about on the rack? I've only used the bungee cord 
> system, which works well for me because the bag is under tension. Appreciate 
> your thoughts.
> J.
> 
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 7:39:05 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting 
> system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way 
> any road.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
> I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked up 
> from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel pretty 
> bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to my 
> Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution and 
> lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look right 
> for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock the dust 
> off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took when he 
> offered them up last year: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/ 
> 
> 
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick > wrote:
> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I fit 
> in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, even when 
> we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of Back-A-Bikes to 
> test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the toursacks) for 
> several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full Arctic mittens 
> on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in life, there is a 
> trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. What I didn't test 
> was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the time, as happens on many 
> of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.
> 
> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly abusive 
> of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and bushes 
> and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category (as is 
> Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field and 
> guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time will 
> tell!
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if you 
> can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real pleasure 
> to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know that the 
> buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be more or less 
> likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, though I do 
> not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
> https://vimeo.com/123971564 
>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted to 
> put in another good word for these bags!
> 
> 
> On 

Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Great question, John. My TourSacks were "lash on" (rather than elastic, as 
you describe), and my experience is lash on systems are far less "playful" 
on the rack over bumps for the simple reason that elastic gives, lashing 
does not. My main issue with the TourSacks is the load on top needing a 
more solid anchor point, not the load in the panniers, which was always 
solid for me, though I suspect with a combined 4 top-o-rack lashing points 
on the Frost River (two per pannier) vs. one on the TourSacks, the load 
will be even more stable. But nothing like testing in real world bashing to 
find out! Grin.

I also have the new(well, to me) Nitto big rack (no tombstone, pannier 
mounting bar) coming, so that will lower CG and improve access for securing 
the top-load. Combined with a twill saddlesack on the way and a possible 
frame bag from Frost River, all the niggling challenges I've had are 
getting ironed out, I hope! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 2:07:40 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Deacon, I'm curious about the attachment system of the Frost River bags. 
> They do indeed look rugged and weatherproof, with what I'd consider a good 
> shape (wide enough, not just tall). But as for the attachment: I  wonder if 
> you have used this buckle system before? In practice, can one get a snug 
> enough fit so the bags don't jump about on the rack? I've only used the 
> bungee cord system, which works well for me because the bag is under 
> tension. Appreciate your thoughts.
> J.
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 7:39:05 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting 
>> system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way 
>> any road.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked 
>>> up from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel 
>>> pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to 
>>> my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution 
>>> and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look 
>>> right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock 
>>> the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took 
>>> when he offered them up last year: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> Silver Spring, MD
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know 
 I fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, 
 even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of 
 Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the 
 toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with 
 full 
 Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in 
 life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. 
 What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the 
 time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.

 I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly 
 abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, 
 and 
 bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right 
 category 
 (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field 
 and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time 
 will tell!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know 
> if you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a 
> real 
> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with 
> water, 
> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little 
> Riv-vid: 
> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just 
> wanted to put in another good word for these bags!
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
>>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
>> relates to: 
>> — ease of access 
>> — weatherproof 
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
>> — other issues that stand out? 
>>
>> After 

Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[John Bokman]

Deacon, I'm curious about the attachment system of the Frost River bags. 
They do indeed look rugged and weatherproof, with what I'd consider a good 
shape (wide enough, not just tall). But as for the attachment: I  wonder if 
you have used this buckle system before? In practice, can one get a snug 
enough fit so the bags don't jump about on the rack? I've only used the 
bungee cord system, which works well for me because the bag is under 
tension. Appreciate your thoughts.
J.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 7:39:05 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting 
> system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way 
> any road.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked 
>> up from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel 
>> pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to 
>> my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution 
>> and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look 
>> right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock 
>> the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took 
>> when he offered them up last year: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/
>>
>> -Jeff
>> Silver Spring, MD
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I 
>>> fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, 
>>> even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of 
>>> Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the 
>>> toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full 
>>> Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in 
>>> life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. 
>>> What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the 
>>> time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.
>>>
>>> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly 
>>> abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and 
>>> bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category 
>>> (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field 
>>> and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time 
>>> will tell!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:

 I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know 
 if you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a 
 real 
 pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
 that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
 more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with 
 water, 
 though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little 
 Riv-vid: 
 https://vimeo.com/123971564
  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just 
 wanted to put in another good word for these bags!


 On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my 
> daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof 
> enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Ely Ruth Rodriguez]

I have a pair of grey waxed with brown leather, demo panniers for sale $200 
plus shipping.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Ely Ruth Rodriguez]

I made a pair of waxed canvas panniers today. Doing another set next week.




On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting 
system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way 
any road.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>
> I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked 
> up from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel 
> pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to 
> my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution 
> and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look 
> right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock 
> the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took 
> when he offered them up last year: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I 
>> fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, 
>> even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of 
>> Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the 
>> toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full 
>> Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in 
>> life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. 
>> What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the 
>> time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.
>>
>> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly 
>> abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and 
>> bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category 
>> (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field 
>> and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time 
>> will tell!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if 
>>> you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real 
>>> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
>>> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
>>> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, 
>>> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
>>> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>>>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted 
>>> to put in another good word for these bags!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
 relates to: 
 — ease of access 
 — weatherproof 
 — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
 — other issues that stand out? 

 After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
 there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
 to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
 Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof 
 enough 
 and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
 and that just on the MUPS. 

 Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
 Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
 when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
 preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
 bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 

 Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
 experience with them? 

 With abandon, 
 Patrick 

 www.OurHolyConception.org 
 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked up
from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel
pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to
my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution
and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look
right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock
the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took
when he offered them up last year:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I
> fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse,
> even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of
> Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the
> toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full
> Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in
> life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin.
> What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the
> time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.
>
> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly
> abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and
> bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category
> (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field
> and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time
> will tell!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if
>> you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real
>> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know
>> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be
>> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water,
>> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid:
>> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted
>> to put in another good word for these bags!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it
>>> relates to:
>>> — ease of access
>>> — weatherproof
>>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
>>> — other issues that stand out?
>>>
>>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play
>>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored
>>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s
>>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough
>>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush
>>> and that just on the MUPS.
>>>
>>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new
>>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly,
>>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design,
>>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go
>>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.
>>>
>>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your
>>> experience with them?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I 
fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, 
even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of 
Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the 
toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full 
Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in 
life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. 
What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the 
time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.

I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly 
abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and 
bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category 
(as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field 
and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time 
will tell!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if 
> you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real 
> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, 
> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted 
> to put in another good word for these bags!
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
>> relates to: 
>> — ease of access 
>> — weatherproof 
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
>> — other issues that stand out? 
>>
>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
>> and that just on the MUPS. 
>>
>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>>
>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
>> experience with them? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if 
you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real 
pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, 
though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
https://vimeo.com/123971564
 I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted to 
put in another good word for these bags!


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks guys! Great to see so many options are still out there. I was 
concerned when Swift and Carsick stopped waxed canvas. I'm betting a canvas 
canoe company has a grasp of the kind of abuse (and a forever warrantee to 
boot) I put these though vs a more randonneuring mindset, which is what the 
other bags look like.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:42:17 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[David Banzer]

I stand corrected - the Frost River bags are waxed canvas.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:56:48 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> For weatherproofing, the rolltop closure is probably your best bet if 
> you're aiming to keep water/elements out. 
> I don't think there's production panniers in waxed canvas right now. 
> Ironweed makes canvas bags, but not waxed. You could wax them yourself of 
> course!
> IMO, Swift makes the best designed panniers, but alas they don't use waxed 
> canvas anymore.
> I've toyed around with pannier ideas, making a pair for myself and opting 
> not to go with a rolltop and deciding to use waterproof bags inside for 
> items that absolutely can't get wet.
> Here's a pair I made for a Tubus Ergo front rack: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BI3CcDVjlVl/?taken-by=treetopdesigns
> I ended up using the Riv HAR trick and made a sleeve that slips into the 
> rack - the bags are attached with 2 leather straps each and no stiffeners 
> and the attachment is solid.
>
> Your best bet is custom and Ely of Ruthworks fame would make some awesome 
> panniers.
>
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:42:17 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
>> relates to: 
>> — ease of access 
>> — weatherproof 
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
>> — other issues that stand out? 
>>
>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
>> and that just on the MUPS. 
>>
>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>>
>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
>> experience with them? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Anton Tutter]

David Cain in Vermont (same state that brings us Ibex and Darn Tough Socks) 
creates beautiful functional canvas panniers through his one-man operation, 
Waxwing Bag Co. He's a randonneur and all around bikey person, and I'm 
dying to have him make me a bag sometime soon.

http://www.waxwingbagco.com/

Anton
velolumino.com


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[David Banzer]

For weatherproofing, the rolltop closure is probably your best bet if 
you're aiming to keep water/elements out. 
I don't think there's production panniers in waxed canvas right now. 
Ironweed makes canvas bags, but not waxed. You could wax them yourself of 
course!
IMO, Swift makes the best designed panniers, but alas they don't use waxed 
canvas anymore.
I've toyed around with pannier ideas, making a pair for myself and opting 
not to go with a rolltop and deciding to use waterproof bags inside for 
items that absolutely can't get wet.
Here's a pair I made for a Tubus Ergo front rack: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BI3CcDVjlVl/?taken-by=treetopdesigns
I ended up using the Riv HAR trick and made a sleeve that slips into the 
rack - the bags are attached with 2 leather straps each and no stiffeners 
and the attachment is solid.

Your best bet is custom and Ely of Ruthworks fame would make some awesome 
panniers.

David
River Grove, IL


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:42:17 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Shawn Granton]

North St is GREAT, and I have/had several pairs of panniers of theirs over
the years. However, they don't do canvas, and their look is a bit more on
the modern side.
-Shawn

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On Dec 20, 2016 12:28 PM, "Jack Barnes"  wrote:

> North St bags are pretty sharp, made here in Portland.
> http://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers
>
> No experience with these myself, but my office mate rides with a pair of
> them every day, and they are holding up well. They have been helpful about
> repairs and such.
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it
>> relates to:
>> — ease of access
>> — weatherproof
>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
>> — other issues that stand out?
>>
>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play
>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored
>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s
>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough
>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush
>> and that just on the MUPS.
>>
>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new
>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly,
>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design,
>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go
>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.
>>
>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your
>> experience with them?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Jack Barnes]

North St bags are pretty sharp, made here in Portland.
http://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers

No experience with these myself, but my office mate rides with a pair of 
them every day, and they are holding up well. They have been helpful about 
repairs and such.


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Philip Kim]

http://anhaicabagworks.com/

waxed canvas! Very well made IME.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Shawn Granton]

I haven't used them yet, but I have been looking at Ironweed's offerings:
http://www.ironweedbp.com/panniers.html

And of course, there's always Carradice.

The Anhaica bags Garth mentions look good, too.

yours,
Shawn

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[RBW] Re: Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Garth]

I saw these on Etsy , waxed canvas and all. I know nothing of actually 
using them though.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/anhaicabagworks?order=price_desc
http://anhaicabagworks.com/shop/23438
http://anhaicabagworks.com/shop/234776226


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
> relates to: 
> — ease of access 
> — weatherproof 
> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
> — other issues that stand out? 
>
> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough 
> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
> and that just on the MUPS. 
>
> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 
> 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I 
> talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>
> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
> experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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