[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-28 Thread stanwasser
Same here.  I gave up the diapers two years ago with my first B-17 saddle on a 
new Bleriot.  That was in early October of '07 and did the Claxton Century in 
November.  Not a problem.  Plain old cotton skivvies and whatever loose fitting 
pair of shorts I have.  Haven't worn diaper shorts since.  Guess we're just a 
couple hard asses Patrick.

Stan
Columbia, SC
  - Original Message - 
  From: PATRICK MOORE 
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 12:38 AM
  Subject: [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA


  This is an excellent example of YMMV. I ride up to 35 miles in ordinary 
trousers (knickers, either cotton or wool in winter, regular shorts in summer) 
with any old cotton underwear, and I have no problems down there at all. I have 
found that my anatomy *does* like Flites. And, of course, we have low humidity; 
but that certainly doesn't stop me from sweating a lot.
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-28 Thread Rick

I usually wear the MUSA green shorts (which are excellent) w/ the
hanes or icebreaker product. But for longer rides, these are pretty
good:  http://www.andiamounderwear.com/
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-28 Thread Bruce
If I want a padded liner (like when breaking a new Brooks - but not a Selle An 
Atomica) the Zoic units from their MTB line are hands down better than the 
Andiamo, which I also have a sample of.





From: Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:46:03 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA


I usually wear the MUSA green shorts (which are excellent) w/ the
hanes or icebreaker product. But for longer rides, these are pretty
good:  http://www.andiamounderwear.com/


  
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-27 Thread PATRICK MOORE
This is an excellent example of YMMV. I ride up to 35 miles in ordinary
trousers (knickers, either cotton or wool in winter, regular shorts in
summer) with any old cotton underwear, and I have no problems down there at
all. I have found that my anatomy *does* like Flites. And, of course, we
have low humidity; but that certainly doesn't stop me from sweating a lot.
I used to keep a stash of nylon boxers, but I've discovered that, if your
pants aren't too tight and your saddle is set up correctly, then I, at
least, can be perfectly comfortable with your Target FOTLs,brief or boxer.
No gloves, either. Lucky me!

Note that tightish pants do dramatically increase crotchal discomfort (using
a BSNYC technical term).

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Depends on what underwear you wear. I find wool boxers to be great under
 MUSA shorts and eschew chamois unless I'm on an as yet unbroken in leather
 saddle. The thin merino shorts from RBW are excellent when you want
 something light. I have a couple of pairs of these.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/clothing?a=1page=4#product=22-606

 And there are offerings from Ibex and other places to look at as well. I've
 had great service from UK Army surplus boxers: Undyed wool, and I had to use
 a safety pin to keep the fly closed while riding. YMMV

 http://www.northdoorway.com/ProductInfo.aspx?id=3402373

 In non wool, these Champion Active Fit briefs (got mine for less at
 Costco) are surprisingly good.

 http://www.boxerbriefs.com/eshop/10browse.asp?category=Champion

 I agree on the Bag Balm or other friction reducer on rides over about 10
 miles.


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 *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:02:57 PM
 *Subject:* [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA


   That said, these things are designed for use with underwear.  If I'm
 going to be on a bike for
 more than an hour, I don't want underwear.  I want chamoi (sp?) or
 it's new-age equivalent and a load of goop.  Nothing worse than a wad
 of underwear in the wrong place and you've still got 40 miles to go.



 



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Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-24 Thread GeorgeS

OK.  I'll give the wool one's a try.  My wife may not recognize me
outside of Jockey cotton briefs which I've been wearing since I've
been wearing underwear.
G

On Jun 23, 10:52 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Depends on what underwear you wear. I find wool boxers to be great under MUSA 
 shorts and eschew chamois unless I'm on an as yet unbroken in leather saddle. 
 The thin merino shorts from RBW are excellent when you want something light. 
 I have a couple of pairs of these.  

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/clothing?a=1page=4#product=22-606

 And there are offerings from Ibex and other places to look at as well. I've 
 had great service from UK Army surplus boxers: Undyed wool, and I had to use 
 a safety pin to keep the fly closed while riding. YMMV

 http://www.northdoorway.com/ProductInfo.aspx?id=3402373

 In non wool, these Champion Active Fit briefs (got mine for less at Costco) 
 are surprisingly good.

 http://www.boxerbriefs.com/eshop/10browse.asp?category=Champion

 I agree on the Bag Balm or other friction reducer on rides over about 10 
 miles.

 
 From: GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:02:57 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

   That said, these thingsare designed for use with underwear.  If I'm going 
 to be on a bike for
 more than an hour, I don't want underwear.  I want chamoi (sp?) or
 it's new-age equivalent and a load of goop.  Nothing worse than a wad
 of underwear in the wrong place and you've still got 40 miles to go.
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-24 Thread Bill Rhea

I tour and do long day rides on a B17 saddle with MUSA shorts and
loose, cotton knit boxers (Hanes?).  Saddle soreness is never an
issue.  I never would have believed this possible back in my bike shop
days, when I recommended padded shorts for any kind of serous
riding... What a bunch of hooey!

I think the key is to go big and loose both on the shorts and boxers
in order to stay cool and comfy.  I've got a size 36 waist but ride
with some big-ass boxers (size 40!) and size XL MUSA's.  My kids make
jokes when I'm folding laundry (serious tent-size proportions), but
what price comfort?

Probably shared more detail than y'all wanted to hear ;-)

-br


On Jun 24, 3:55 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK.  I'll give the wool one's a try.  My wife may not recognize me
 outside of Jockey cotton briefs which I've been wearing since I've
 been wearing underwear.
 G

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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-24 Thread Ron Farnsworth
The biggest problem I have with this floppy pantleg or loose, open shirt 
approach is the occasional bee that gets filtered in while riding here in the 
NE. That's an experience you don't forget and one that doesn't happen with 
those real bike clothes (tighter openings). Yes, I have to pull over and remove 
my helmet once in awhile also but I've only been stung under loose shirts and 
shorts. I still wear both types of clothing depending on what type of riding 
I'm doing on a given day.
 
 
om wrote:


From: Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:30 PM



I tour and do long day rides on a B17 saddle with MUSA shorts and
loose, cotton knit boxers (Hanes?).  Saddle soreness is never an
issue.  I never would have believed this possible back in my bike shop
days, when I recommended padded shorts for any kind of serous
riding... What a bunch of hooey!

I think the key is to go big and loose both on the shorts and boxers
in order to stay cool and comfy.  I've got a size 36 waist but ride
with some big-ass boxers (size 40!) and size XL MUSA's.  My kids make
jokes when I'm folding laundry (serious tent-size proportions), but
what price comfort?

Probably shared more detail than y'all wanted to hear ;-)

-br


On Jun 24, 3:55 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK.  I'll give the wool one's a try.  My wife may not recognize me
 outside of Jockey cotton briefs which I've been wearing since I've
 been wearing underwear.
 G





  
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-23 Thread Seth

During a few years riding in the hot and humid conditions of New
York's Summer, I found the wool top was great, but generally preferred
the coolest option down below - traditional black riding tighties.
Knickers are appropriate for Spring and Fall.

Best,
Seth
Los Angeles

On Jun 21, 8:47 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 Any of you MUSA knickers owners from the Midwest or Southeast?  I have
 knickers from Swrve, Richard Reisenberg, Chrome and Swobo.  All are
 good, but all seem designed with West Coast weather in mind.  Meaning
 where it is hot, humidity tends be low, and where it is humid, it
 usually is not all that hot.

 The only time we have comparable conditions here in the upper Midwest
 is Mid to late September through early November.  Spring is almost
 always too cold for any knickers.  Summer just gets too hot and
 humid.  The Patagonia shorts I use in the Summer are comfortable.  But
 Patagonia does not make (decent riding anyway) shorts that cover the
 knees.   As sun screen does not seem to want to stay on knees, that
 means I usually wind up with sun burn right on the top of the joint.

 Maybe if the West Coast swell riding clothes designers could spend a
 couple of hours on a stationary bike in a sauna they could come up
 with something that works for us suffering souls back East.

 On Jun 21, 12:12 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good to
  hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented about
  the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might check
  out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html

  RR

  On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

   I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it sandy, riding in
   heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to me that I
   could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35 miles that
   is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no helmet, Carolyn
   Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes from getting
   too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
   Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to Rivendell
   fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in summer, on my two
   custom fixed Riv Roads.

   On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:

I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
horn a bit.

I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them are
when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
sleeves?

I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
$60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally on
the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking clothes,
but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
everybody?

-br

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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-23 Thread Bruce
Depends on what underwear you wear. I find wool boxers to be great under MUSA 
shorts and eschew chamois unless I'm on an as yet unbroken in leather saddle. 
The thin merino shorts from RBW are excellent when you want something light. I 
have a couple of pairs of these.  

http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/clothing?a=1page=4#product=22-606

And there are offerings from Ibex and other places to look at as well. I've had 
great service from UK Army surplus boxers: Undyed wool, and I had to use a 
safety pin to keep the fly closed while riding. YMMV

http://www.northdoorway.com/ProductInfo.aspx?id=3402373

In non wool, these Champion Active Fit briefs (got mine for less at Costco) 
are surprisingly good.

http://www.boxerbriefs.com/eshop/10browse.asp?category=Champion

I agree on the Bag Balm or other friction reducer on rides over about 10 miles.






From: GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:02:57 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA


  That said, these thingsare designed for use with underwear.  If I'm going to 
be on a bike for
more than an hour, I don't want underwear.  I want chamoi (sp?) or
it's new-age equivalent and a load of goop.  Nothing worse than a wad
of underwear in the wrong place and you've still got 40 miles to go.


  
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-22 Thread Mike

Between this posts and Grant's I found myself compelled to order some
shorts. I'll probably order a shirt and a pair of pants to take on
tour later this summer since they're light and so packable.


On Jun 21, 3:26 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's interesting that East Coast in general, and NYC specifically doesn't
 have a bunch of manufacturers... I would think there is a critical mass
 there.

 Today was a MUSA day for me!

 DE



 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

  Well there is Ibex in Vermont, but they are primarily known for winter
  gear.  Ibex does make (or more precisely has a factory in China make)
  organic cotton long shorts.  I like wearing natural cloth whenever
  possible, but if the cotton is too thick, it will be uncomfortable on
  longer rides.

  The Midwest and East Coast does not otherwise seem to have the
  critical mass of bike centric merchandisers you have out West.
  Certainly the market is here and growing.  I imagine one factor is the
  West Coast entered the bicycle renaissance earlier than we here out
  East and your companies had too much of a head start - with the web
  making their stuff easier to get here - for local business to catch
  on.

  On Jun 21, 4:55 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
   Serious question:  aren't there any bike clothing designers on the East
   Coast?  It seems like they would be more apt to design appropriate
  clothes.

   DE

   On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:47 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com
  wrote:

Any of you MUSA knickers owners from the Midwest or Southeast?  I have
knickers from Swrve, Richard Reisenberg, Chrome and Swobo.  All are
good, but all seem designed with West Coast weather in mind.  Meaning
where it is hot, humidity tends be low, and where it is humid, it
usually is not all that hot.

The only time we have comparable conditions here in the upper Midwest
is Mid to late September through early November.  Spring is almost
always too cold for any knickers.  Summer just gets too hot and
humid.  The Patagonia shorts I use in the Summer are comfortable.  But
Patagonia does not make (decent riding anyway) shorts that cover the
knees.   As sun screen does not seem to want to stay on knees, that
means I usually wind up with sun burn right on the top of the joint.

Maybe if the West Coast swell riding clothes designers could spend a
couple of hours on a stationary bike in a sauna they could come up
with something that works for us suffering souls back East.

On Jun 21, 12:12 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good to
 hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented about
 the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might
  check
 out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html

 RR

 On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

  I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it sandy,
  riding
in
  heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to me
  that
I
  could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35
  miles
that
  is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no helmet,
Carolyn
  Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes from
getting
  too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
  Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to
Rivendell
  fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in summer, on
  my
two
  custom fixed Riv Roads.

  On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com
  wrote:

   I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
   deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his
  own
   horn a bit.

   I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different
  production
   run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of
  the
   park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability,
  style,
   value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them
  are
   when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA
  shorts.
   Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
   sleeves?

   I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
   frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and
  tights.
   $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts
   I
   guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a
  bit
   puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding
  recreationally
on
   the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare
  occasions
   do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking
clothes,
  

[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-22 Thread David Estes
MUSA in action:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3650999235/

:-)

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:


 Between this posts and Grant's I found myself compelled to order some
 shorts. I'll probably order a shirt and a pair of pants to take on
 tour later this summer since they're light and so packable.


 On Jun 21, 3:26 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  It's interesting that East Coast in general, and NYC specifically doesn't
  have a bunch of manufacturers... I would think there is a critical mass
  there.
 
  Today was a MUSA day for me!
 
  DE
 
 
 
  On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com
 wrote:
 
   Well there is Ibex in Vermont, but they are primarily known for winter
   gear.  Ibex does make (or more precisely has a factory in China make)
   organic cotton long shorts.  I like wearing natural cloth whenever
   possible, but if the cotton is too thick, it will be uncomfortable on
   longer rides.
 
   The Midwest and East Coast does not otherwise seem to have the
   critical mass of bike centric merchandisers you have out West.
   Certainly the market is here and growing.  I imagine one factor is the
   West Coast entered the bicycle renaissance earlier than we here out
   East and your companies had too much of a head start - with the web
   making their stuff easier to get here - for local business to catch
   on.
 
   On Jun 21, 4:55 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Serious question:  aren't there any bike clothing designers on the
 East
Coast?  It seems like they would be more apt to design appropriate
   clothes.
 
DE
 
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:47 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com
   wrote:
 
 Any of you MUSA knickers owners from the Midwest or Southeast?  I
 have
 knickers from Swrve, Richard Reisenberg, Chrome and Swobo.  All are
 good, but all seem designed with West Coast weather in mind.
  Meaning
 where it is hot, humidity tends be low, and where it is humid, it
 usually is not all that hot.
 
 The only time we have comparable conditions here in the upper
 Midwest
 is Mid to late September through early November.  Spring is almost
 always too cold for any knickers.  Summer just gets too hot and
 humid.  The Patagonia shorts I use in the Summer are comfortable.
  But
 Patagonia does not make (decent riding anyway) shorts that cover
 the
 knees.   As sun screen does not seem to want to stay on knees, that
 means I usually wind up with sun burn right on the top of the
 joint.
 
 Maybe if the West Coast swell riding clothes designers could spend
 a
 couple of hours on a stationary bike in a sauna they could come up
 with something that works for us suffering souls back East.
 
 On Jun 21, 12:12 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
  I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good
 to
  hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented
 about
  the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might
   check
  out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html
 
  RR
 
  On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it
 sandy,
   riding
 in
   heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to
 me
   that
 I
   could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35
   miles
 that
   is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no
 helmet,
 Carolyn
   Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes
 from
 getting
   too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
   Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to
 Rivendell
   fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in
 summer, on
   my
 two
   custom fixed Riv Roads.
 
   On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com
 
   wrote:
 
I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think
 he
deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot
 his
   own
horn a bit.
 
I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different
   production
run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball
 out of
   the
park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability,
   style,
value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear
 them
   are
when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA
   shorts.
Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker
 long
sleeves?
 
I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was
 quite
frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and
   tights.
$60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of
 shorts
I
guess everyone is entitled to 

[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-21 Thread JoelMatthews

Any of you MUSA knickers owners from the Midwest or Southeast?  I have
knickers from Swrve, Richard Reisenberg, Chrome and Swobo.  All are
good, but all seem designed with West Coast weather in mind.  Meaning
where it is hot, humidity tends be low, and where it is humid, it
usually is not all that hot.

The only time we have comparable conditions here in the upper Midwest
is Mid to late September through early November.  Spring is almost
always too cold for any knickers.  Summer just gets too hot and
humid.  The Patagonia shorts I use in the Summer are comfortable.  But
Patagonia does not make (decent riding anyway) shorts that cover the
knees.   As sun screen does not seem to want to stay on knees, that
means I usually wind up with sun burn right on the top of the joint.

Maybe if the West Coast swell riding clothes designers could spend a
couple of hours on a stationary bike in a sauna they could come up
with something that works for us suffering souls back East.

On Jun 21, 12:12 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good to
 hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented about
 the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might check
 out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html

 RR

 On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:



  I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it sandy, riding in
  heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to me that I
  could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35 miles that
  is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no helmet, Carolyn
  Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes from getting
  too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
  Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to Rivendell
  fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in summer, on my two
  custom fixed Riv Roads.

  On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:

   I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
   deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
   horn a bit.

   I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
   run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
   park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
   value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them are
   when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
   Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
   sleeves?

   I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
   frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
   $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
   guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
   puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally on
   the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
   do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking clothes,
   but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
   cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
   I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
   San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
   everybody?

   -br

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  Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-21 Thread David Estes
Serious question:  aren't there any bike clothing designers on the East
Coast?  It seems like they would be more apt to design appropriate clothes.

DE

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:47 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:


 Any of you MUSA knickers owners from the Midwest or Southeast?  I have
 knickers from Swrve, Richard Reisenberg, Chrome and Swobo.  All are
 good, but all seem designed with West Coast weather in mind.  Meaning
 where it is hot, humidity tends be low, and where it is humid, it
 usually is not all that hot.

 The only time we have comparable conditions here in the upper Midwest
 is Mid to late September through early November.  Spring is almost
 always too cold for any knickers.  Summer just gets too hot and
 humid.  The Patagonia shorts I use in the Summer are comfortable.  But
 Patagonia does not make (decent riding anyway) shorts that cover the
 knees.   As sun screen does not seem to want to stay on knees, that
 means I usually wind up with sun burn right on the top of the joint.

 Maybe if the West Coast swell riding clothes designers could spend a
 couple of hours on a stationary bike in a sauna they could come up
 with something that works for us suffering souls back East.

 On Jun 21, 12:12 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
  I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good to
  hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented about
  the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might check
  out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html
 
  RR
 
  On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it sandy, riding
 in
   heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to me that
 I
   could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35 miles
 that
   is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no helmet,
 Carolyn
   Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes from
 getting
   too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
   Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to
 Rivendell
   fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in summer, on my
 two
   custom fixed Riv Roads.
 
   On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
horn a bit.
 
I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them are
when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
sleeves?
 
I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
$60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally
 on
the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking
 clothes,
but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
everybody?
 
-br
 
   --
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   Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-21 Thread JoelMatthews

Well there is Ibex in Vermont, but they are primarily known for winter
gear.  Ibex does make (or more precisely has a factory in China make)
organic cotton long shorts.  I like wearing natural cloth whenever
possible, but if the cotton is too thick, it will be uncomfortable on
longer rides.

The Midwest and East Coast does not otherwise seem to have the
critical mass of bike centric merchandisers you have out West.
Certainly the market is here and growing.  I imagine one factor is the
West Coast entered the bicycle renaissance earlier than we here out
East and your companies had too much of a head start - with the web
making their stuff easier to get here - for local business to catch
on.

On Jun 21, 4:55 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Serious question:  aren't there any bike clothing designers on the East
 Coast?  It seems like they would be more apt to design appropriate clothes.

 DE





 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:47 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

  Any of you MUSA knickers owners from the Midwest or Southeast?  I have
  knickers from Swrve, Richard Reisenberg, Chrome and Swobo.  All are
  good, but all seem designed with West Coast weather in mind.  Meaning
  where it is hot, humidity tends be low, and where it is humid, it
  usually is not all that hot.

  The only time we have comparable conditions here in the upper Midwest
  is Mid to late September through early November.  Spring is almost
  always too cold for any knickers.  Summer just gets too hot and
  humid.  The Patagonia shorts I use in the Summer are comfortable.  But
  Patagonia does not make (decent riding anyway) shorts that cover the
  knees.   As sun screen does not seem to want to stay on knees, that
  means I usually wind up with sun burn right on the top of the joint.

  Maybe if the West Coast swell riding clothes designers could spend a
  couple of hours on a stationary bike in a sauna they could come up
  with something that works for us suffering souls back East.

  On Jun 21, 12:12 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
   I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good to
   hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented about
   the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might check
   out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html

   RR

   On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it sandy, riding
  in
heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to me that
  I
could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35 miles
  that
is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no helmet,
  Carolyn
Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes from
  getting
too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to
  Rivendell
fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in summer, on my
  two
custom fixed Riv Roads.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
 deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
 horn a bit.

 I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
 run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
 park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
 value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them are
 when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
 Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
 sleeves?

 I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
 frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
 $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
 guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
 puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally
  on
 the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
 do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking
  clothes,
 but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
 cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
 I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
 San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
 everybody?

 -br

--
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Albuquerque, NM
Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-21 Thread David Estes
It's interesting that East Coast in general, and NYC specifically doesn't
have a bunch of manufacturers... I would think there is a critical mass
there.

Today was a MUSA day for me!

DE

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:


 Well there is Ibex in Vermont, but they are primarily known for winter
 gear.  Ibex does make (or more precisely has a factory in China make)
 organic cotton long shorts.  I like wearing natural cloth whenever
 possible, but if the cotton is too thick, it will be uncomfortable on
 longer rides.

 The Midwest and East Coast does not otherwise seem to have the
 critical mass of bike centric merchandisers you have out West.
 Certainly the market is here and growing.  I imagine one factor is the
 West Coast entered the bicycle renaissance earlier than we here out
 East and your companies had too much of a head start - with the web
 making their stuff easier to get here - for local business to catch
 on.

 On Jun 21, 4:55 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  Serious question:  aren't there any bike clothing designers on the East
  Coast?  It seems like they would be more apt to design appropriate
 clothes.
 
  DE
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:47 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com
 wrote:
 
   Any of you MUSA knickers owners from the Midwest or Southeast?  I have
   knickers from Swrve, Richard Reisenberg, Chrome and Swobo.  All are
   good, but all seem designed with West Coast weather in mind.  Meaning
   where it is hot, humidity tends be low, and where it is humid, it
   usually is not all that hot.
 
   The only time we have comparable conditions here in the upper Midwest
   is Mid to late September through early November.  Spring is almost
   always too cold for any knickers.  Summer just gets too hot and
   humid.  The Patagonia shorts I use in the Summer are comfortable.  But
   Patagonia does not make (decent riding anyway) shorts that cover the
   knees.   As sun screen does not seem to want to stay on knees, that
   means I usually wind up with sun burn right on the top of the joint.
 
   Maybe if the West Coast swell riding clothes designers could spend a
   couple of hours on a stationary bike in a sauna they could come up
   with something that works for us suffering souls back East.
 
   On Jun 21, 12:12 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good to
hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented about
the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might
 check
out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html
 
RR
 
On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it sandy,
 riding
   in
 heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to me
 that
   I
 could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35
 miles
   that
 is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no helmet,
   Carolyn
 Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes from
   getting
 too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
 Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to
   Rivendell
 fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in summer, on
 my
   two
 custom fixed Riv Roads.
 
 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
  deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his
 own
  horn a bit.
 
  I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different
 production
  run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of
 the
  park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability,
 style,
  value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them
 are
  when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA
 shorts.
  Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
  sleeves?
 
  I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
  frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and
 tights.
  $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts
  I
  guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a
 bit
  puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding
 recreationally
   on
  the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare
 occasions
  do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking
   clothes,
  but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of
 recreational
  cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola
 Valley.
  I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts
 here in
  San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
  everybody?
 
  -br
 
 --
 

[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-20 Thread RoadieRyan

I have been thinking about getting some of the shorts so its good to
hear all the positive feedback on them, for those who commented about
the need for a back knicker, until there is a musa one you might check
out  http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/messenger_knickers.html

RR

On Jun 19, 5:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just got back from 17 miles mostly off road, much of it sandy, riding in
 heavy cotton shorts and regular underwear. It never occured to me that I
 could be uncomfortable. I know that I am fine up to the 30 - 35 miles that
 is my typical long ride. Cotton polo on top. No gloves, no helmet, Carolyn
 Custom hat, flip up shades -- need the shades to keep my eyes from getting
 too red; the cap acts as sun visor and sweat collector.
 Riv content: My 2008 Redline Monocog 20er is set up as close to Rivendell
 fashion as I can make it. And I wear the same things, in summer, on my two
 custom fixed Riv Roads.





 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
  deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
  horn a bit.

  I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
  run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
  park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
  value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them are
  when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
  Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
  sleeves?

  I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
  frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
  $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
  guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
  puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally on
  the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
  do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking clothes,
  but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
  cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
  I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
  San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
  everybody?

  -br

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 Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-19 Thread Esteban

I love my MUSA shorts when its hot out.  I'd like to see knickers in
all black, or all-one color.

On Jun 19, 12:45 pm, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
 deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
 horn a bit.

 I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
 run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
 park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
 value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them are
 when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
 Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
 sleeves?

 I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
 frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
 $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
 guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
 puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally on
 the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
 do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking clothes,
 but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
 cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
 I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
 San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
 everybody?

 -br
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-19 Thread Bruce
I've been wearing my MUSA butternut shorts around the yard in the evenings as I 
tend to watering, mowing etc. It's in the upper 90s to 100 here now, and they 
are easily the most comfotable hot weather shorts I've tried. The Boosuckers 
are great too.


The seersucker shirt has changed color over the years. Call RWHQs and ask what 
they have laying around.



From: Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:45:09 PM
Subject: [RBW] another plug for MUSA


I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
horn a bit.


 The only days I don’t wear them are
when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
sleeves?


  
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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-19 Thread Dustin Sharp

The MUSA knickers are great--I wore them for all of my riding for about two
years.  But I have to say, now that I've been using Swobo knickers for the
last six months, I don't think I'd go back. I find the fit and comfort level
to be better, and they don't twist around my waist they way the MUSA
knickers used to do.  The MUSA knickers win on price though!

Dustin


 From: Esteban proto...@gmail.com
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA
 
 
 I love my MUSA shorts when its hot out.  I'd like to see knickers in
 all black, or all-one color.
 
 On Jun 19, 12:45 pm, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
 deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
 horn a bit.
 
 I¹ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
 run.  While they¹re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
 park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
 value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don¹t wear them are
 when I know it¹s going to be scorching, then I¹ve got MUSA shorts.
 Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
 sleeves?
 
 I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
 frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
 $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
 guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
 puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally on
 the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
 do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking clothes,
 but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
 cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
 I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
 San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
 everybody?
 
 -br
  
 



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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-19 Thread David Estes
ONLY thing I would like in them is just a touch of Lycra, 1 or 2% just to
give them a little stretch.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Dustin Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote:


 The MUSA knickers are great--I wore them for all of my riding for about two
 years.  But I have to say, now that I've been using Swobo knickers for the
 last six months, I don't think I'd go back. I find the fit and comfort
 level
 to be better, and they don't twist around my waist they way the MUSA
 knickers used to do.  The MUSA knickers win on price though!

 Dustin


  From: Esteban proto...@gmail.com
  Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA
 
 
  I love my MUSA shorts when its hot out.  I'd like to see knickers in
  all black, or all-one color.
 
  On Jun 19, 12:45 pm, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:
  I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
  deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
  horn a bit.
 
  I¹ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
  run.  While they¹re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
  park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
  value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don¹t wear them are
  when I know it¹s going to be scorching, then I¹ve got MUSA shorts.
  Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
  sleeves?
 
  I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
  frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
  $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
  guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
  puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally on
  the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
  do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking clothes,
  but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
  cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
  I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
  San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
  everybody?
 
  -br
  
 



 



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[RBW] Re: another plug for MUSA

2009-06-19 Thread EricP

Knickers are about the only MUSA product I don't have.  Mainly because
when I was searching for them, Rivendell was out.  Otherwise, am also
sold on the product line.  Was bugging Grant this week about getting
some more seersucker shirts in so I can have another one for my trip
out to San Diego in August.

Black pants, shorts, and knickers might be nice.  Especially in the
slightly heavier material of the grey and olive shorts.


Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Jun 19, 3:14 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 I love my MUSA shorts when its hot out.  I'd like to see knickers in
 all black, or all-one color.

 On Jun 19, 12:45 pm, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I saw Grant's June 15 blog plugging the MUSA line.  I think he
  deserves to be enthusiastic about these products and to toot his own
  horn a bit.

  I’ve got 3 pairs of MUSA knickers, each from a different production
  run.  While they’re all good, the latest ones hit the ball out of the
  park in every metric that matter to me: comfort, durability, style,
  value, and sweat-shop avoidance.  The only days I don’t wear them are
  when I know it’s going to be scorching, then I’ve got MUSA shorts.
  Are there any new colors on the horizon for the seersucker long
  sleeves?

  I walked through Palo Alto Bicycles the other day and was quite
  frankly appalled at what people spend on spandex shorts and tights.
  $60 doesn't bring you even close to getting a pair of shorts  I
  guess everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I'm still a bit
  puzzled why the vast majority of people I see riding recreationally on
  the road still cling (no pun) to their Lycra. Only on rare occasions
  do I see people riding briskly on the road in regular-looking clothes,
  but certainly never on the weekends where the armies of recreational
  cyclists congregate on the backroads of Woodside and Portola Valley.
  I've NEVER seen another human wearing MUSA knickers or shorts here in
  San Mateo County.  Not commuting, not on the weekends.  Where is
  everybody?

  -br- Hide quoted text -

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