Re: [RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
32 paselas tight under berthoud 40mm fenders on 54 ram. 28 Cerfsmassive clearance under same. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
Patrick, I had no troubles with 36mm Honjo fenders over Parigis. On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:22:34 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: That is odd, since the same fenders fit (albeit tightly) over 29 mm Parigi Roubaix on my Ram, and wider fenders would easily accommodate wider tires. (In fact, I've got a pair of 45 mm Longboards waiting for next rainy season.) I guess there were slight design differences among Rams; I'm glad I got one with more clearance. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Rando Rambo rambo...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Bo, My Ram is a 58 and I like it setup with Schwalbe Supreme 700x32 SKS P45 fenders.https://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/8396464753/ SKS p45 with Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 700x37(35c) on Mavic Open Pros (narrow rim 15 inner width and 19.6 outer width) worked for a while, but with leaves and some occasional mud, i got tired of hearing noises. https://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/6921629545/ without fenders, i could fit 37-38 tires, but I prefer to ride it with 28-33 tires. I tried to mount SKS P35 fenders with Continental 4 season 700x28 tires on HED Belgium rims (23mm), couldn't do it, the fenders were not wide enough. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
I am running Cypress 30mm and you can see the front fender is just a bit tight with SKS 40mm. [image: B2u_UhLCAAEk1G5.jpg-large.jpg] On Sunday, November 16, 2014 9:31:24 PM UTC-6, bo richardson wrote: i have gotten noise and rubbing with both vo metal and sks fenders and jack brown tires on my 54 Rambouillet. i will try different tires with the sks fenders for the winter, and pull the fenders in the spring and remount the jb s. What are good winter tires for this set up? Ruffy Tuffys or Rolly Polys come to mind. Are the RT or RP s noticeably better than the Panaracer Tourguard or PTs or whatever they are called of late? Any other favorites? thanks bo in Bellingham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
I have those same Kojaks on my 60 cm Ram with VO Hammered fenders. Love these tires, but I have dreams of replacing them with Compass Stampede Pass 700x32 David Charlotte, NC On Monday, November 17, 2014 5:00:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 35 mm (labeled) Kojaks. 58 cm Ram. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:03 PM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: What's the widest a RamBlouiet will fit without fenders? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
Bo, My Ram is a 58 and I like it setup with Schwalbe Supreme 700x32 SKS P45 fenders.https://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/8396464753/ SKS p45 with Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 700x37(35c) on Mavic Open Pros (narrow rim 15 inner width and 19.6 outer width) worked for a while, but with leaves and some occasional mud, i got tired of hearing noises. https://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/6921629545/ without fenders, i could fit 37-38 tires, but I prefer to ride it with 28-33 tires. I tried to mount SKS P35 fenders with Continental 4 season 700x28 tires on HED Belgium rims (23mm), couldn't do it, the fenders were not wide enough. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
That is odd, since the same fenders fit (albeit tightly) over 29 mm Parigi Roubaix on my Ram, and wider fenders would easily accommodate wider tires. (In fact, I've got a pair of 45 mm Longboards waiting for next rainy season.) I guess there were slight design differences among Rams; I'm glad I got one with more clearance. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Rando Rambo rambora...@gmail.com wrote: Bo, My Ram is a 58 and I like it setup with Schwalbe Supreme 700x32 SKS P45 fenders.https://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/8396464753/ SKS p45 with Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 700x37(35c) on Mavic Open Pros (narrow rim 15 inner width and 19.6 outer width) worked for a while, but with leaves and some occasional mud, i got tired of hearing noises. https://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/6921629545/ without fenders, i could fit 37-38 tires, but I prefer to ride it with 28-33 tires. I tried to mount SKS P35 fenders with Continental 4 season 700x28 tires on HED Belgium rims (23mm), couldn't do it, the fenders were not wide enough. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
Currently I have a set of Continental Gatorskins, labeled 32 in width but measure 29mm, on Velocity Synergy rims on my Rambouillet with hammered Honjos without rubbing. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:31:24 PM UTC-5, bo richardson wrote: i have gotten noise and rubbing with both vo metal and sks fenders and jack brown tires on my 54 Rambouillet. i will try different tires with the sks fenders for the winter, and pull the fenders in the spring and remount the jb s. What are good winter tires for this set up? Ruffy Tuffys or Rolly Polys come to mind. Are the RT or RP s noticeably better than the Panaracer Tourguard or PTs or whatever they are called of late? Any other favorites? thanks bo in Bellingham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
The Ram brochures advertised 32 mm tires with fenders and I remember GP writing that Jack Brown's will not fit with fenders. I also remember one poster who was able to rig the fenders to make it work. With hongo fenders my Ram maxis out at 30 mm actual and I run Grand Bois Cerf at 29MM. I think that's the design point for this frame and that's where the bike will perform its best. I'm not sure what kind of winter the OP experiences but I don't think of my much loved ram as a winter bike. Michael On Monday, November 17, 2014 12:03:25 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: What's the widest a RamBlouiet will fit without fenders? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
I've got a blue ram and 32 paselas fit easily with sks fenders (45mm I think) On Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:31:24 PM UTC-5, bo richardson wrote: i have gotten noise and rubbing with both vo metal and sks fenders and jack brown tires on my 54 Rambouillet. i will try different tires with the sks fenders for the winter, and pull the fenders in the spring and remount the jb s. What are good winter tires for this set up? Ruffy Tuffys or Rolly Polys come to mind. Are the RT or RP s noticeably better than the Panaracer Tourguard or PTs or whatever they are called of late? Any other favorites? thanks bo in Bellingham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
I have 33.3 green Jack Browns with 45 Velo orange stainless fenders on my 64 ram. Very tight and took a lot of wrestling plus a hacksaw to the darima bolt but works. The new 2 clamp vo's rattle much less than the older single clamp design. If I had a do-over I would try the 50mm Berthouds. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
Two other considerations I haven't seen mentioned, that you might already be aware of: - Toe clip overlap is likely to be pretty severe, if you actually manage to fit fenders over anything bigger than a 28. I have SKS fenders and Roughy Toughies on my 60cm Ram, but find that I need to snug the fender *very* close to the tire to be comfortable with it. I actually thought that the 54cm used 26 wheels, but evidently not. So, with a presumably shorter top tube than mine, it seems like yours would be worse. And adjusting for 33s would just compound the issue. Maybe I'm more sensitive to it than others, though. - Your Winter conditions are obviously much different than mine (I'm already buried in snow and ice, and will be for the next 6 months), so I don't know what you need in a tread. I'll say though that, while they're great for asphalt, I'd NEVER consider a Rolly Polly/Roughy Toughy/Jack Brown tread pattern to be a winter tire. After a few good rides, the little waffle pattern pretty much turns into a slick. On Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:31:24 PM UTC-7, bo richardson wrote: i have gotten noise and rubbing with both vo metal and sks fenders and jack brown tires on my 54 Rambouillet. i will try different tires with the sks fenders for the winter, and pull the fenders in the spring and remount the jb s. What are good winter tires for this set up? Ruffy Tuffys or Rolly Polys come to mind. Are the RT or RP s noticeably better than the Panaracer Tourguard or PTs or whatever they are called of late? Any other favorites? thanks bo in Bellingham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
Also, 35 mm (ie, too narrow) SKS's fit fine over 30 mm (actual) Parigi Roubaix. Wider fenders would allow more clearance. On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: 35 mm (labeled) Kojaks. 58 cm Ram. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:03 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What's the widest a RamBlouiet will fit without fenders? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
Green Ramb, SKS fenders, 45mm 700x32 Paselas (actual width 31mm) and 700x32 Marathon Supremes (actual width 30mm) each provide reasonable clearance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
I think plain old 28 Paselas would be great for winter. Ryan On Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:31:24 PM UTC-8, bo richardson wrote: i have gotten noise and rubbing with both vo metal and sks fenders and jack brown tires on my 54 Rambouillet. i will try different tires with the sks fenders for the winter, and pull the fenders in the spring and remount the jb s. What are good winter tires for this set up? Ruffy Tuffys or Rolly Polys come to mind. Are the RT or RP s noticeably better than the Panaracer Tourguard or PTs or whatever they are called of late? Any other favorites? thanks bo in Bellingham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
Paselas. Great tire, reasonably priced. You won't be sad if you go with them. --Beth in PDX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
What's the widest a RamBlouiet will fit without fenders? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
