[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Your dogs are so cute!  My work schedule doesn't work for having a dog 
right now.  I would love to have one, especially a dog that liked riding in 
bike baskets :)

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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Kevin Lindsey]

As someone who really loves dogs but who recently took an unexpected header 
on a slick wooden bridge, I'd also recommend that you think about how a dog 
in as basket would fair in a crash.  
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog 
> would love it.
>
> I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on 
> your bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I 
> can trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?
>
> Thanks in advance for any responses.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Leah Peterson]

Well isn’t that the cutest and the sweetest? Your new pal is just adorable. I’m 
glad you have found a system that is so far working for the pair of you. 
Getting a new dog is the most exciting thing - a Christmas present, perhaps? 

John’s Irish straps might be a good idea as well, but I will leave you with 
this improvisation starring my dogyou know, just in case.

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> On Jan 5, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Jim S.  wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:46:28 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>> I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog 
>> would love it.
>> 
>> 
>> I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on your 
>> bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I can 
>> trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any responses. 
> 
> Well, I got a dog, and I got a basket, and I think it works. I anchor her 
> with a harness and rok straps, although Irish straps might be easier. Basket 
> is Wald 139. I cut up an unused yoga mat to line the basket bottom. In the 
> cold she rides in a shopsack. Dog is a shit tzu under 9 lbs. 
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Patrick Moore]

Apparently you're not meant to use the device to walk your small child.
Over 18, that's fine.

* Its not recommended the use of the walky dog for children under the age
of 18 years old or children weighing less than 45 kg/100 lbs. The use of
walky dog by children must be done under strict supervision of adults. *

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 7:33 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Update: I did indeed buy the "Walky Dog Exerciser", installed it, and have
> used it. It works well, certainly better than holding the leash stiff-armed
> in right hand while trying to control a fixed gear bike with only brake
> lever on right side of bar. Perry (20-25 lb purebred mutt) is quick on the
> uptake and quickly got used to keeping out of the pedal's and front tire's
> way.
>
> I installed on the right side, of course, to keep dog between bike and
> curb, so I have to be careful not to trip over the hardware when
> dismounting; must practice left-side dismounts.
>
> The device is well made and the quick release works and appears secure.
>
> I could not use the dropout attachment bracket because it appeared to be a
> bad fit with track nuts and an axle near the end of the track end. But
> vendor handled the return and refund very well.
>
> Anyway, product recommended, at $60.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord
> /dp/B003OYIAW4?tag=tdt01-20
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which
>> was a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>>
>> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the
>> thread. Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device
>> that attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog
>> is held a safe distance from the bike?
>>
>> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the
>> diamond design) or to a rear rack.
>>
>> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world
>> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>>
>> What have you used, and how did it work?
>>
>> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>>
>> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>>
>> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
>> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
>> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Patrick Moore]

Update: I did indeed buy the "Walky Dog Exerciser", installed it, and have
used it. It works well, certainly better than holding the leash stiff-armed
in right hand while trying to control a fixed gear bike with only brake
lever on right side of bar. Perry (20-25 lb purebred mutt) is quick on the
uptake and quickly got used to keeping out of the pedal's and front tire's
way.

I installed on the right side, of course, to keep dog between bike and
curb, so I have to be careful not to trip over the hardware when
dismounting; must practice left-side dismounts.

The device is well made and the quick release works and appears secure.

I could not use the dropout attachment bracket because it appeared to be a
bad fit with track nuts and an axle near the end of the track end. But
vendor handled the return and refund very well.

Anyway, product recommended, at $60.

https://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-
Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4?tag=tdt01-20



On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which
> was a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>
> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the thread.
> Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device that
> attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog is
> held a safe distance from the bike?
>
> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the
> diamond design) or to a rear rack.
>
> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world
> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>
> What have you used, and how did it work?
>
> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>
> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>
> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Patrick Moore]

Erl: Thanks for the reply. I've ordered one with the rear axle attachment.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:15 AM, WETH  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I sent you a private email, but I will elaborate here.  I own the
> Wally-dog device in your Amazon link.  I used it half a dozen times for a
> strong 70 lbs Labrador.  It worked well and as advertised.  It kept him
> from getting under wheel.  Some training is needed in getting your dog to
> “heel” and “stop” especially big dogs.  In the end, my dog was too strong
> physically and stubborn for me to safely use it with him.  For a smaller,
> better trained canine, it would work well.  I clamped it to my seatpost
> with no problem.
> Thanks,
> Erl
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Ed Fausto]

+1 on John’s recommendation.
I use the Bike Tow leash on my 3 year old Belgian Malinois.
Its expensive but well worth it.

> On 1 Jul 2018, at 9:56 AM, John Coffey  wrote:
> 
> The Bike Tow Leash is what I use. It works great, attaches low at the rear 
> triangle which is important for me with my 80 lbs athletic lab/hound.
> 
> http://www.biketowleash.com/
> 
> I bought it at the Dog Outdoors, they have lot's of good dog stuff and also 
> carry the other style which mounts high on the seat post but that would not 
> work for me and my hound.
> 
> https://www.thedogoutdoors.com/
> 
> I have it mounted on a mid eighties Miyata MTB with Bosco bars and a setback 
> post...the old adjustable one with lot's of setbackso I can put all my 
> weight on the back wheel and my foot on the outside pedal when I need to 
> ground him in place. But he has pulled me over from a stand still when he was 
> a bit younger, he is all muscle and was very enthusiastic as a 
> youngster...well come to think of it he still is the same in his middle age 
> but we are both smarter now. He loves it and it works wonders. Funny thing is 
> though that we also have an 11 lb terrier mix, the maker does not recommend 
> its use with small dogs but she insists and she loves it just as much. It 
> took some getting used to with the small dog but the clever device really 
> does work well at keeping the dog in a safe place.
> 
>> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 3:20:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which was 
>> a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>> 
>> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the thread. 
>> Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device that 
>> attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog is 
>> held a safe distance from the bike?
>> 
>> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the diamond 
>> design) or to a rear rack.
>> 
>> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world 
>> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>> 
>> What have you used, and how did it work?
>> 
>> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>> 
>> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>> 
>> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
>> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
>> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Rick]

I use the Walky Dog thing linked above for a medium-sized pit on my 
Atlantis, but found the seat post thing to be less optimal than this:

https://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Rider-Attachment-Accessory/dp/B009SMLTT2/ref=pd_bxgy_199_img_3?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B009SMLTT2_rd_r=9bba0a78-8080-11e8-8137-95af0e3aa013_rd_w=X7dwx_rd_wg=bF4ro_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_p=3914568618330124508_rd_r=HC7QTJ1C407DASAY35QF_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims_rd_t=40701=1=HC7QTJ1C407DASAY35QF

which puts him a bit further back and is considerably more stable.  

I was much lampooned a while back for posting pics of my pvc dogwalker 
invention, which went through the rear triangle of the nitto large rack and 
had a lead off each side for my (now departed) golden retrievers.  It 
worked ok, but a dog on either side means you need quite a bit of space. In 
truth, though both me and the mutt enjoy our rides, the biggest liability 
of any of these devices is the random occurrence of squirrels. 

Rick.

>
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[John Coffey]

The Bike Tow Leash is what I use. It works great, attaches low at the rear 
triangle which is important for me with my 80 lbs athletic lab/hound.

http://www.biketowleash.com/

I bought it at the Dog Outdoors, they have lot's of good dog stuff and also 
carry the other style which mounts high on the seat post but that would not 
work for me and my hound.

https://www.thedogoutdoors.com/

I have it mounted on a mid eighties Miyata MTB with Bosco bars and a 
setback post...the old adjustable one with lot's of setbackso I can put 
all my weight on the back wheel and my foot on the outside pedal when I 
need to ground him in place. But he has pulled me over from a stand still 
when he was a bit younger, he is all muscle and was very enthusiastic as a 
youngster...well come to think of it he still is the same in his middle age 
but we are both smarter now. He loves it and it works wonders. Funny thing 
is though that we also have an 11 lb terrier mix, the maker does not 
recommend its use with small dogs but she insists and she loves it just as 
much. It took some getting used to with the small dog but the clever device 
really does work well at keeping the dog in a safe place.

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 3:20:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which 
> was a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>
> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the thread. 
> Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device that 
> attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog is 
> held a safe distance from the bike?
>
> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the 
> diamond design) or to a rear rack.
>
> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world 
> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>
> What have you used, and how did it work?
>
> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>
> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>
> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
>
> -- 
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[GAJett]

Training, training, training. No wand needed. 
Approached a woman on bike with dog on leash from behind on a paved trail 
through a wild area. Large dog on right. About 15 feet ahead a large jackrabbit 
broke cover from the right, crossing the trail pactically under the dogs nose. 
I briefly wondered if I had my first-aid kit to deal with the certain 
disaster... But the dog simply hesitated to watch the rabbit cross. It's all 
about the training. 
Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Not a direct response to your question but I have biked with my Golden on a 
leash that I held onto while biking. The only bike I feel comfortable doing 
this with is my Brompton. With the lower step over and just kind of more open 
bike, it just felt safer should he try to do something other than trot along 
beside me

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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Glen]

I used a walky dog with my last dog and she loved it. A 15 to 20 minute run 
at about 10mph every morning kept her very happy (i.e. less destructive) 
and forced me to get in some saddle time before work. She was a 65 pound 
very active shepherd mix who wanted greet any other dog she saw so I had to 
keep alert to any distractions. When I saw another dog it was interval time 
as she wanted to run and see the other dog and I had to make the run more 
interesting for her. As we passed the other dog she would try to run 
perpendicular to the bike's path so be prepared to counter lean against the 
pull.

It did do some cosmetic damage to the downtube sticker so I ended up 
wrapping the tube with handlebar tape. You will want to use a harness that 
allows the leash to attach between the dog's shoulder blades. 

One other caution is you need to get out early in the day as the road gets 
hot and paws don't take to heat. 

I will train my next dog to use it, Molly loved it so much and got so 
excited when she saw me grabbing the bike and wand.





On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 1:28:10 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Would prefer a device that has a removable "wand" with a small bracket 
> that can bolt to the seat or chain stay, so that the wand can be removed.
>
> Has anyone used this? Will it clamp to a fattish seat or chain stay?
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4?tag=tdt01-20
>
> Of course, they don't bother to tell you the largest and smallest 
> diameters that the clamp will fit.
>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which 
>> was a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>>
>> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the 
>> thread. Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device 
>> that attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog 
>> is held a safe distance from the bike?
>>
>> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the 
>> diamond design) or to a rear rack.
>>
>> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world 
>> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>>
>> What have you used, and how did it work?
>>
>> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>>
>> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>>
>> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
>> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
>> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[WETH]

Patrick,
I sent you a private email, but I will elaborate here.  I own the Wally-dog 
device in your Amazon link.  I used it half a dozen times for a strong 70 lbs 
Labrador.  It worked well and as advertised.  It kept him from getting under 
wheel.  Some training is needed in getting your dog to “heel” and “stop” 
especially big dogs.  In the end, my dog was too strong physically and stubborn 
for me to safely use it with him.  For a smaller, better trained canine, it 
would work well.  I clamped it to my seatpost with no problem.
Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Patrick Moore]

Would prefer a device that has a removable "wand" with a small bracket that
can bolt to the seat or chain stay, so that the wand can be removed.

Has anyone used this? Will it clamp to a fattish seat or chain stay?

https://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4?tag=tdt01-20

Of course, they don't bother to tell you the largest and smallest diameters
that the clamp will fit.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which
> was a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>
> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the thread.
> Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device that
> attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog is
> held a safe distance from the bike?
>
> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the
> diamond design) or to a rear rack.
>
> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world
> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>
> What have you used, and how did it work?
>
> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>
> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>
> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Brad]

I don't think I've ever seen someone cycling with a bag that's actually 
made to carry dogs (or kids). Usually, they look like they're wedged into a 
typical backpack or messenger bag. Neither the dog nor the rider 
looks uncomfortable, but I'm sticking with the basket.

Brad

On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 10:37:57 AM UTC-4, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> You mean like this ? This just looks so 
> uncomfortable to me. And it is too hot a solution (at least in my 
> estimation). And I spent a lot of time and money getting stuff off my back 
> when on my bike. 
>
> That said, I bought a used kid backpack off eBay and retooled it into a 
> dog backpack. All because on one hike when I lived in northern California, 
> my dog lay down on the trail and refused to go further and I carried him 
> for an hour in the fireman’s carry back to the car. I’ve used it once since 
> then. Turns out I don’t like hiking in the heat any more than my dog;-).
>
> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-7, Brad wrote:
>>
>>
>> Most dogs prefer being in the front

>>>
>> Agreed. I like riding a bike with a front load generally anyway, but it's 
>> definitely helpful to be able to talk to my dog to keep her calm (or at 
>> least it was in the beginning when she was more likely to be nervous. 
>>
>> The animal is never wrong. 
>>
>>
>> Also agreed. While have a good, solid carrier is important, riding with 
>> your dog is 95% good training and conditioning.
>>
>> Here in NYC, it's not uncommon to see people ride by with dogs stuffed in 
>> their backpacks/messenger bags. It doesn't look comfortable for either 
>> party, but I don't think it could be possible to get an uncooperative dog 
>> in a backpack.
>>
>> And finally, my dog would love the Buddyrider. I could give her head 
>> scratches with my chin while riding!
>>
>> Brad
>> Queens 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Kiley Demond]

You mean like this? This just looks so uncomfortable to me. And it is too hot a 
solution (at least in my estimation).

That said, I bought a used kid backpack off eBay and retooled it into a dog 
backpack. All because on one hike when I lived in northern California, my dog 
lay down on the trail and refused to go further and I carried him for an hour 
in the fireman’s carry back to the car. I’ve used it once since then. Turns out 
I don’t like hiking in the heat any more than my dog;-).
On Jun 23, 2018, 5:31 AM -0700, Brad , wrote:
>
> > > Most dogs prefer being in the front
>
> Agreed. I like riding a bike with a front load generally anyway, but it's 
> definitely helpful to be able to talk to my dog to keep her calm (or at least 
> it was in the beginning when she was more likely to be nervous.
>
> > The animal is never wrong.
>
> Also agreed. While have a good, solid carrier is important, riding with your 
> dog is 95% good training and conditioning.
>
> Here in NYC, it's not uncommon to see people ride by with dogs stuffed in 
> their backpacks/messenger bags. It doesn't look comfortable for either party, 
> but I don't think it could be possible to get an uncooperative dog in a 
> backpack.
>
> And finally, my dog would love the Buddyrider. I could give her head 
> scratches with my chin while riding!
>
> Brad
> Queens
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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Brad]

> Most dogs prefer being in the front
>>
>
Agreed. I like riding a bike with a front load generally anyway, but it's 
definitely helpful to be able to talk to my dog to keep her calm (or at 
least it was in the beginning when she was more likely to be nervous. 

The animal is never wrong. 


Also agreed. While have a good, solid carrier is important, riding with 
your dog is 95% good training and conditioning.

Here in NYC, it's not uncommon to see people ride by with dogs stuffed in 
their backpacks/messenger bags. It doesn't look comfortable for either 
party, but I don't think it could be possible to get an uncooperative dog 
in a backpack.

And finally, my dog would love the Buddyrider. I could give her head 
scratches with my chin while riding!

Brad
Queens 

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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Ray Varella]

Jim S.
Some key things to consider when working with any animal to perform any task. 
The animal is never wrong. 
Set up the environment so the only possible outcome is for the animal to be 
successful 

If the dog isn’t ready to stay in the basket, the worst thing you can do is 
force the issue. This can have unforeseen consequences. 
I would start by desensitizing the dog to the basket before installing it on 
the bike. 
Depending on the dog, this could take one session or several days, don’t rush 
it. Reinforce the closest approximation of your desired behavior. Do not 
reinforce any undesired behavior. 
Once the dog is willingly going in and out of the basket you can install the 
basket on the bike. 
Start by just straddling the bike and little by little, increasing the amount 
of time. 
Next go to a location with no distractions or safety hazards. An empty tennis 
court or baseball field or indoor gym would be good. 
Gradually raise the criteria. 

Feel free to contact me offlist, you’re welcome to call. 

Cheers,
Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Kiley Demond]

Here's your 
guy: https://bicyclehabitat.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/riding-with-your-dog/


On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 6:29:16 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Kiley mentioned that there are many carrying products from Europe. Does 
> anyone know anyone makes a pet carrier that attaches to the rear rack like 
> a pannier, and that will take a 20 lb dog? I'd need something that is quick 
> on and off.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Patrick Moore]

Kiley mentioned that there are many carrying products from Europe. Does
anyone know anyone makes a pet carrier that attaches to the rear rack like
a pannier, and that will take a 20 lb dog? I'd need something that is quick
on and off.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Jim S.]

Love the photos! Dog to be transported is a shih tzu. Could maybe fit 2 if 
I ever get another one.

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:46:40 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> You will wish you had never asked! I have tons of dog-in-the-Wald photos! 
> My dog fits in the huge Wald, and is nearly too big but we have never had a 
> problem, and we started this in 2012. He has learned how to brace himself 
> over bumps, and understands he cannot shift his weight. He has never tried 
> to get down. 
> I’ll send photos in a separate post (my iPhone won’t cooperate until I do 
> it from email...

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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Belopsky]

I've got a 37lb dog. Wald won't work. Maybe a trailer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Patrick Moore]

This thread reminds me of the time I stopped by the library (on one of my
Rivendells) and saw a young man on a cheap mountain bike with a backpack
and, peeking cutely from under the flap, a wee little chihuahua, the sub
5lb type. He said that he rode all over the city with her.

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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Sadly my 75 pound golden retriever would not fit into even the largest Wald 
basket

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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Kurt Manley]

A dog is 100% the thing I'd most like to add to my bike! Hoping to be able 
to move somewhere that allows em! Great thread

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:46:28 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog 
> would love it.
>
> I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on 
> your bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I 
> can trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?
>
> Thanks in advance for any responses.  
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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[John Buglino]

They don't seem inclined to jump out, but  We do use a standard leash spliter 
to clip to the basket and attach the pups harness at the center ring 


On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
> I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog 
> would love it.
> 
> 
> I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on your 
> bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I can 
> trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any responses. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[phil k]

Aww this is awesome. Wish I could fit my fiance's Akita into a basket.

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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Wally Estrella]

Here's my buddy Boston Terrier, Iver.  Out on July 4th parade duties last 
year.  He's typically on the rear, but I didn't make the effort to mount 
one on the Quickbeam, so on the Nitto he went.


As noted already get the dog accustomed being in the carrier then on the 
bike.  Too dangerous to have your friend decide to jump.  Iver gets a body 
harness attached to the crate. 

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> I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog 
> would love it.
>
> I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on 
> your bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I 
> can trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?
>
> Thanks in advance for any responses.  
>

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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You will wish you had never asked! I have tons of dog-in-the-Wald photos! My 
dog fits in the huge Wald, and is nearly too big but we have never had a 
problem, and we started this in 2012. He has learned how to brace himself over 
bumps, and understands he cannot shift his weight. He has never tried to get 
down. 
I’ll send photos in a separate post (my iPhone won’t cooperate until I do it 
from email...

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[RBW] Re: dogs on Rivs

[Brad]

I've posted about riding my dog on a bike a few times over the years. 

Old video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded=iYzLPWJfqqo 

More recent photos with Riv content:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BaES0xKH8pQ/?taken-by=bread_palace
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUNvsR5gort/?taken-by=bread_palace

Here's what I wrote in 2013:

> In my experience, the key is to go really, really slow.  We started with 
one 
> of those soft-sided closed carriers with a big piece of sheepskin-like 
stuff 
> in the bottom so the dog wouldn't slide around too much.  At first we 
just 
> walked the bike.  Once the dog seemed comfortable with walking (not too 
> shakey or nervous-acting) we started riding her to the park.  It didn't 
take 
> long before she started to associate the carrier with the park and would 
> jump in on her own.  After a couple of weeks of riding her around in the 
> closed carrier, I started riding very slowly in the park with the top 
> opened.  I had to grab her a few times to keep her from chasing 
squirrels, 
> but she figured out pretty quickly that she was supposed to stay in the 
> carrier.  After a month or so of riding around with the carrier open, we 
> switched to the tote bag we use now (she's still tethered so she can't 
jump 
> or fall off the bike). 
> 
> One of the keys, I think, was to only let her get in or out of the bag 
when 
> the bag was sitting on the ground.  That way she never got used to 
exiting 
> the bike from up in the basket and was less likely to try to jump out. 
> Also, the dog quickly realized that if she was on the bike, she was going 
> somewhere fun and not being left at home. 
> 
> In short, take it slow and make it fun (for the dog). 

Brad 
Queens


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> I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog 
> would love it.
>
> I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on 
> your bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I 
> can trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?
>
> Thanks in advance for any responses.  
>

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