Re: [RBW] Re: eJoe

[rltilley]

Grant has ranted against carbs as well but we’re still eating bread. 

In my case having an e-bike makes me take far fewer trips by car than I would 
without an e-bike. I’m not going to go car free because I like to drive but I 
do use my cars way less these days. I have a cargo e-bike so I am able to do 
virtually all of my shopping by bike. Including large Costco runs. I’m the dork 
with the huge package of toilet paper on the rear rack.

I don’t see myself ever getting a recreational e-bike anytime but that could 
change as I continue to age.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Nov 7, 2020, at 4:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> I have to admit that both creeping old age and ignorance may be playing a 
> part, but I just am not understanding this thread.  For months now, maybe 
> even years, Grant has ranted against the advent of the eBike for various 
> reasons both environmental as well as physical.  Yet, here we are suddenly 
> espousing it.  What gives?
> 
> Why this sudden embracing of this "new technology" with its dependence upon 
> batteries and other components that make the use of "rare earth" elements, 
> many of which, when removed from the ground either by direct force or by 
> chemical extraction, have done major environmental damage to areas in China 
> areas where such mining has occurred ( 
> https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-wrestles-with-the-toxic-aftermath-of-rare-earth-mining
>  ).  I thought the major thrust of Rivbike (and Grant) was to espouse the use 
> of the human means of traveling.
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:40:06 PM UTC-5 J Imler wrote:
>> An eJoe is in the works. Has anyone tried an eJoe? I think it's gonna be 
>> great. I'm mainly doing so to hull my son up Mt. Diablo on the Burley 
>> trailer bike so we can bike camp together. It's not gonna happen otherwise. 
>> I'll report back as things progress... likely a hub drive rear wheel kit. 
>> I'm open to any ebuild advice.
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[RBW] Re: eJoe

[Joe Bernard]

It's a matter of this isn't a Riv-sponsored group and some of us like these 
new lightweight motors and batteries on our bikes. They're not bicycles in 
the pure sense, they're a different thing that can be useful and fun. It 
just so happens that Riv frames make a very good base for a kit. 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 4:01:27 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> I have to admit that both creeping old age and ignorance may be playing a 
> part, but I just am not understanding this thread.  For months now, maybe 
> even years, Grant has ranted against the advent of the eBike for various 
> reasons both environmental as well as physical.  Yet, here we are suddenly 
> espousing it.  What gives?
>
> Why this sudden embracing of this "new technology" with its dependence 
> upon batteries and other components that make the use of "rare earth" 
> elements, many of which, when removed from the ground either by direct 
> force or by chemical extraction, have done major environmental damage to 
> areas in China areas where such mining has occurred ( 
> https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-wrestles-with-the-toxic-aftermath-of-rare-earth-mining
>  
> ).  I thought the major thrust of Rivbike (and Grant) was to espouse the 
> use of the human means of traveling.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:40:06 PM UTC-5 J Imler wrote:
>
>> An eJoe is in the works. Has anyone tried an eJoe? I think it's gonna be 
>> great. I'm mainly doing so to hull my son up Mt. Diablo on the Burley 
>> trailer bike so we can bike camp together. It's not gonna happen otherwise. 
>> I'll report back as things progress... likely a hub drive rear wheel kit. 
>> I'm open to any ebuild advice. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: eJoe

[George Schick]

I have to admit that both creeping old age and ignorance may be playing a 
part, but I just am not understanding this thread.  For months now, maybe 
even years, Grant has ranted against the advent of the eBike for various 
reasons both environmental as well as physical.  Yet, here we are suddenly 
espousing it.  What gives?

Why this sudden embracing of this "new technology" with its dependence upon 
batteries and other components that make the use of "rare earth" elements, 
many of which, when removed from the ground either by direct force or by 
chemical extraction, have done major environmental damage to areas in China 
areas where such mining has occurred ( 
https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-wrestles-with-the-toxic-aftermath-of-rare-earth-mining
 
).  I thought the major thrust of Rivbike (and Grant) was to espouse the 
use of the human means of traveling.


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:40:06 PM UTC-5 J Imler wrote:

> An eJoe is in the works. Has anyone tried an eJoe? I think it's gonna be 
> great. I'm mainly doing so to hull my son up Mt. Diablo on the Burley 
> trailer bike so we can bike camp together. It's not gonna happen otherwise. 
> I'll report back as things progress... likely a hub drive rear wheel kit. 
> I'm open to any ebuild advice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: eJoe

[Mike Godwin]

I was eyeballing Mike Schiller's Breezer on ibob list for that exact 
purpose since it is disc brakes. But supply side economics is not in the 
right place right now. 

Mike SLO CA

On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:27:46 PM UTC-8, J Imler wrote:

> This is on a 58cm eJoe Appaloosa (2016) with a Crust Clydesdale fork. 
>
> [image: IMG-2917.jpg]
>
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 4:19:11 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nicely hacked. Pray, what is the bike? Is it a folding bike or a "rigid"?
>>
>> Although I sold my Dahon Hon Solo, I'm still tempted to get a Brompton, 
>> even though I don't (right now) have real use for a folder. But I can 
>> imagine that 60 mm tires make a huge difference with 20" or even more 16" 
>> wheels (don't know if Big Apples come in 16" size); the Hon took ~42s, and 
>> I installed Tioga Powerbands at about 40, and even these were far better 
>> than the ~30-32 mm OEM tires.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 5:09 PM J Imler  wrote:
>>
>>> This AM was spent modifying an SKS Model B65 to fit a 20" wheel. Rivets 
>>> were removed and hardware hacked up per usual, but I think it came out 
>>> well. A dyno light was also installed.
>>>
>>> More pics here - 
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1T5GZgG0EW1cumHplgAcg2gQJ4rHhiat2?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> [image: IMG-3053.jpg]
>>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: eJoe

[Dave Redmon]

I have a Bafang front hub motor on my Sam Hillbirne with instrumentation
and control by Grin Tech iof Vancouver, BC. With PAS as well as throttle, I
can travel 28-36 miles on my 36V / 14.5 Ah battery. I have an anti slip
lever attached to the front axle to retain the motor in my front dropouts.
So far, I've found it to be a smooth set up. Grin does a good job with
technical assistance.

Dave in Kansas

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:04 PM Rick Thompson  wrote:

> I did one, on a hardtail mtn bike which is now my commuter. As Joe says,
> the only special tools were to tighten those big locking nuts at the BB. I
> thought mine were tight enough first try, but the motor came loose and
> rotated down in under a thousand miles. I don't think you can overtighten.
> If mine comes loose again I will get one of those stabilizer bars that
> clamps to the chainstay, only about $20 and should work better. My other
> mechanical install issue was getting the chainring aligned, took a few
> trips to the local ebike shop for spacers at the BB and spacers on the
> ring. Each install may need some tweaks like that.
>
> I think those high power mid-drives do need to depower when shifting, they
> are really hard on drive components. I did not use an inline shift cutout,
> instead use a cutout button. That has turned out to be useful as it works
> for shifting and also allows a quick way to go unboosted when maneuvering
> around cars or other objects at slow speeds.
>
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:52:48 PM UTC-7, J Imler wrote:
>>
>> This project is back. I’ve got a mid-drive Bafang BBSHD (1500w capable)
>> ordered. I plan on making some how-to videos during the install. I’ve read
>> a lot, bought tools for the job including a 1970’s Impact Driver from
>> Japan, mid-drive speciality components to protect the frame from torque
>> overload, airplane grease, etc... My goal is to reach local regional or
>> state park fun spots via bike with my boy in tow on his Burley trailer.
>>
>> Any BBSHD owners out there?
>>
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[RBW] Re: eJoe

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I use an inline cutout. The power cranking through the drivetrain is 
nothing to be trifled with. 

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[RBW] Re: eJoe

[Rick Thompson]

I did one, on a hardtail mtn bike which is now my commuter. As Joe says, 
the only special tools were to tighten those big locking nuts at the BB. I 
thought mine were tight enough first try, but the motor came loose and 
rotated down in under a thousand miles. I don't think you can overtighten. 
If mine comes loose again I will get one of those stabilizer bars that 
clamps to the chainstay, only about $20 and should work better. My other 
mechanical install issue was getting the chainring aligned, took a few 
trips to the local ebike shop for spacers at the BB and spacers on the 
ring. Each install may need some tweaks like that. 

I think those high power mid-drives do need to depower when shifting, they 
are really hard on drive components. I did not use an inline shift cutout, 
instead use a cutout button. That has turned out to be useful as it works 
for shifting and also allows a quick way to go unboosted when maneuvering 
around cars or other objects at slow speeds. 


On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:52:48 PM UTC-7, J Imler wrote:
>
> This project is back. I’ve got a mid-drive Bafang BBSHD (1500w capable) 
> ordered. I plan on making some how-to videos during the install. I’ve read 
> a lot, bought tools for the job including a 1970’s Impact Driver from 
> Japan, mid-drive speciality components to protect the frame from torque 
> overload, airplane grease, etc... My goal is to reach local regional or 
> state park fun spots via bike with my boy in tow on his Burley trailer. 
>
> Any BBSHD owners out there? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: eJoe

[Sam Kling]

Does that mean we'll be seeing a e-Clem then? ;)

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 6:52:36 PM UTC-5, J Imler wrote:
>
> I couldn't go through with adding an e kit to my Appaloosa. I bought my 
> son a 16in Specialized Hotrock and I got a 59 Grilver Clem L instead. 
>
> :)
>

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