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Re: [RBW] Re: Headset adjustment

2023-09-07 Thread Richard Rose

I think you are correct - after all this! I now think the movement is just the flex of the exposed quill allowed by the hole of the locknut being just a bit larger than it could/should be.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 7, 2023, at 3:11 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:Checked my Face Plater in my custom, it shows the same gap as in your video with the same movement..I never knew! I think it's a tall quill stem being yanked by wide bars (Boscos in my case) and these are the results. I'm going to keep riding it as is. On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 12:07:36 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Greetings folks. I would appreciate any input regarding this. Since new I have had some movement in my headset / stem that concerns me, possibly unnecessarily so? Please review the attached video link and tell me what you see. I felt the headset was a bit loose so tightened it a bit. This made no difference. The minimum insertion line for the Faceplater stem is a full two centimeters below the headset lock nut. So, the question seems to be is this stem quill movement excessive & if so how to eliminate it. I do mind the inherent flex. It no doubt contributes to the comfort of the bike? I just want to be certain it is safe and causing no harm.I appreciate your help.Richardhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXVZBrQEVzamDV1H6

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[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment

2023-09-07 Thread Joe Bernard

Checked my Face Plater in my custom, it shows the same gap as in your video 
with the same movement..I never knew! I think it's a tall quill stem being 
yanked by wide bars (Boscos in my case) and these are the results. I'm 
going to keep riding it as is. 

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 12:07:36 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Greetings folks. I would appreciate any input regarding this. Since new I 
> have had some movement in my headset / stem that concerns me, possibly 
> unnecessarily so? Please review the attached video link and tell me what 
> you see. I felt the headset was a bit loose so tightened it a bit. This 
> made no difference. The minimum insertion line for the Faceplater stem is a 
> full two centimeters below the headset lock nut. So, the question seems to 
> be is this stem quill movement excessive &  if so how to eliminate it. I do 
> mind the inherent flex. It no doubt contributes to the comfort of the bike? 
> I just want to be certain it is safe and causing no harm.
> I appreciate your help.
> Richard
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXVZBrQEVzamDV1H6
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Headset adjustment

2023-09-06 Thread Richard Rose

Hi Garth. It is a Nitto FacePlater stem & consistently measures 22.2. I’ve not yet measured the inside diameter of the head tube.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 6, 2023, at 3:41 PM, Garth wrote:It appears the diameter of the stem is out of spec as all I see of movement in the video is the stem itself wiggling inside the steering tube. Do measure the diameters of the outer stem and inside the steerer, and in multiple places around the circles. Something is out of spec as that's a whole lotta wiggle, not good. Is that the Nitto or the JIm Faceplater ? If you don't have a caliper for measuring do you at least have a another stem to insert ? If not, contact Riv. Frankly that ought to have been the first place to go. On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:07:36 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Greetings folks. I would appreciate any input regarding this. Since new I have had some movement in my headset / stem that concerns me, possibly unnecessarily so? Please review the attached video link and tell me what you see. I felt the headset was a bit loose so tightened it a bit. This made no difference. The minimum insertion line for the Faceplater stem is a full two centimeters below the headset lock nut. So, the question seems to be is this stem quill movement excessive & if so how to eliminate it. I do mind the inherent flex. It no doubt contributes to the comfort of the bike? I just want to be certain it is safe and causing no harm.I appreciate your help.Richardhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXVZBrQEVzamDV1H6

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[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment

2023-09-06 Thread aeroperf

I was going to suggest checking for a loose headset, but It is obviously 
the stem, and Garth is right on.

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[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment

2023-09-06 Thread Garth

It appears the diameter of the stem is out of spec as all I see of movement 
in the video is the stem itself wiggling inside the steering tube. Do 
measure the diameters of the outer stem and inside the steerer, and in 
multiple places around the circles. Something is out of spec as that's a 
whole lotta wiggle, not good. Is that the Nitto or the JIm Faceplater ?  If 
you don't have a caliper for measuring do you at least have a another stem 
to insert ? If not, contact Riv. Frankly that ought to have been the first 
place to go. 

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:07:36 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings folks. I would appreciate any input regarding this. Since new I 
> have had some movement in my headset / stem that concerns me, possibly 
> unnecessarily so? Please review the attached video link and tell me what 
> you see. I felt the headset was a bit loose so tightened it a bit. This 
> made no difference. The minimum insertion line for the Faceplater stem is a 
> full two centimeters below the headset lock nut. So, the question seems to 
> be is this stem quill movement excessive &  if so how to eliminate it. I do 
> mind the inherent flex. It no doubt contributes to the comfort of the bike? 
> I just want to be certain it is safe and causing no harm.
> I appreciate your help.
> Richard
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXVZBrQEVzamDV1H6
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Headset adjustment how to ?'s...

2017-10-13 Thread Steve Palincsar

This is an excellent thing to add to a pre-ride quick check, or a 
diagnostic tool when someone on a ride complains about clanking noises, 
vibrations or weird handling.  It's surprising how often I find it, 
especially on bikes with threadless headsets (where the whole point is 
you can adjust it in seconds without tools other than a hex key, and yet 
nobody knows how to do it).



On 10/13/2017 06:16 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
I usually just hold the front brake closed and, while astride the 
bike, try to roll it forward and back. If you wrap your fingers around 
the bottom of the top part of the headset, you’ll pretty easily feel 
movement if the headset is too loose.


--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com 
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:22 PM, Ed Carolipio > wrote:


On Step 4, to check for excessive play I like to brace the front 
wheel against something solid - like a wall or a heavy workshop bench 
- hold onto the handlebar then push forward on the frame or seat. The 
steerer shouldn't move relative to the head tube at all when you do that.


Thumbs up on the suggestions on using a stand like the Feedback Rakk 
when making adjustments and on always using two wrenches.


One last note: re-check the headset play after each of the next few 
rides.


Enjoy,
Ed C.


On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 12:38:58 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:

This is a needle bearing IRD Rollerdrive just like Riv sells.

1. Loosen lock nut
2. tighten the nut under the spacers 1/8 turn
3. Tighten lock nut.
4. test for correct feel.
5. Readjust if.


Is this right?
Anything to look out for?
Do I have to worry about those keyed spacers or anything else
that might be keyed I have to be careful of?
Or is this just as easy as described above?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Headset adjustment how to ?'s...

2017-10-13 Thread Eric Norris

I usually just hold the front brake closed and, while astride the bike, try to 
roll it forward and back. If you wrap your fingers around the bottom of the top 
part of the headset, you’ll pretty easily feel movement if the headset is too 
loose.

--Eric Norris
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@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:22 PM, Ed Carolipio  wrote:
> 
> On Step 4, to check for excessive play I like to brace the front wheel 
> against something solid - like a wall or a heavy workshop bench - hold onto 
> the handlebar then push forward on the frame or seat. The steerer shouldn't 
> move relative to the head tube at all when you do that.
> 
> Thumbs up on the suggestions on using a stand like the Feedback Rakk when 
> making adjustments and on always using two wrenches.
> 
> One last note: re-check the headset play after each of the next few rides.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Ed C.
> 
> 
> On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 12:38:58 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
> This is a needle bearing IRD Rollerdrive just like Riv sells.
> 
> 1. Loosen lock nut
> 2. tighten the nut under the spacers 1/8 turn
> 3. Tighten lock nut.
> 4. test for correct feel.
> 5. Readjust if.
> 
> 
> Is this right?
> Anything to look out for?
> Do I have to worry about those keyed spacers or anything else that might be 
> keyed I have to be careful of?
> Or is this just as easy as described above?
> 
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[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment how to ?'s...

2017-10-13 Thread Ed Carolipio

On Step 4, to check for excessive play I like to brace the front wheel 
against something solid - like a wall or a heavy workshop bench - hold onto 
the handlebar then push forward on the frame or seat. The steerer shouldn't 
move relative to the head tube at all when you do that.

Thumbs up on the suggestions on using a stand like the Feedback Rakk when 
making adjustments and on always using two wrenches.

One last note: re-check the headset play after each of the next few rides.

Enjoy,
Ed C.

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 12:38:58 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> This is a needle bearing IRD Rollerdrive just like Riv sells.
>
> 1. Loosen lock nut
> 2. tighten the nut under the spacers 1/8 turn
> 3. Tighten lock nut.
> 4. test for correct feel.
> 5. Readjust if.
>
>
> Is this right?
> Anything to look out for?
> Do I have to worry about those keyed spacers or anything else that might 
> be keyed I have to be careful of?
> Or is this just as easy as described above?
>

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[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment how to ?'s...

2017-10-13 Thread George Schick

I agree with the various replies here.  Another good thing to do besides 
having the two wrenches is to support the bike on the ground somehow, 
either using something like a Feedback Sports Rakk Bicycle Storage Stand or 
having someone hold it up via the saddle or rear wheel, and then sandwich 
the front wheel between your legs and hold it firm.  That way, when you 
tighten the lock nut on top of the headset the whole fork won't turn with 
it.On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 2:38:58 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> This is a needle bearing IRD Rollerdrive just like Riv sells.
>
> 1. Loosen lock nut
> 2. tighten the nut under the spacers 1/8 turn
> 3. Tighten lock nut.
> 4. test for correct feel.
> 5. Readjust if.
>
>
> Is this right?
> Anything to look out for?
> Do I have to worry about those keyed spacers or anything else that might 
> be keyed I have to be careful of?
> Or is this just as easy as described above?
>

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[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment how to ?'s...

2017-10-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

Lum,

Headset adjustment is one of the few jobs I go to my LBS for. I'm just not 
skilled enough to get it right. The other stumper for me is wheel 
building/truing.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 1:38:58 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> This is a needle bearing IRD Rollerdrive just like Riv sells.
>
> 1. Loosen lock nut
> 2. tighten the nut under the spacers 1/8 turn
> 3. Tighten lock nut.
> 4. test for correct feel.
> 5. Readjust if.
>
>
> Is this right?
> Anything to look out for?
> Do I have to worry about those keyed spacers or anything else that might 
> be keyed I have to be careful of?
> Or is this just as easy as described above?
>

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[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment how to ?'s...

2017-10-13 Thread Bill Lindsay

It absolutely should be done with two wrenches.  When you loosen the 
locknut at step 1 and when you tighten the locknut at step 3, you are 
holding the upper headset race fixed with a proper 32mm headset wrench.  
You can use a huge crescent wrench for the locknut, but it is preferable to 
have at least one proper headset wrench for best results.  AASHTA

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 12:38:58 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> This is a needle bearing IRD Rollerdrive just like Riv sells.
>
> 1. Loosen lock nut
> 2. tighten the nut under the spacers 1/8 turn
> 3. Tighten lock nut.
> 4. test for correct feel.
> 5. Readjust if.
>
>
> Is this right?
> Anything to look out for?
> Do I have to worry about those keyed spacers or anything else that might 
> be keyed I have to be careful of?
> Or is this just as easy as described above?
>

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[RBW] Re: headset adjustment

2016-11-07 Thread Garth



   Get a good 32mm headest wrench !  Park's tool precision , aka quality 
control(meaning the tool fits snug), is all over the place. Maybe Pedros 
would be better for a first time buyer .  

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[RBW] Re: headset adjustment

2016-11-07 Thread Jim S.

thanks for the info!

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 12:19:10 PM UTC-6, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was going to attempt a headset adjustment, which I've never done. I need 
> to buy two wrenches to do the job. It's probably obvious to others, but I 
> can't figure out what size wrench to buy to adjust the headsets on my 
> Rivendells. Are they all going to be 32 mm? That appears to be the most 
> common size. 
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: headset adjustment

2016-11-06 Thread Minh

Jim don't be afraid! it will be obvious if you have not adjusted it 
properly, too loose and it will wobble, too tight and you won't be able to 
steer, both of which you will be able to catch and adjust right away.  

if you get really frustrated, try and find an open workshop day at a 
bicycle co-op, headset adjustment is not hard, but sometimes you need 
someone to show you before it 'clicks'

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 1:19:10 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was going to attempt a headset adjustment, which I've never done. I need 
> to buy two wrenches to do the job. It's probably obvious to others, but I 
> can't figure out what size wrench to buy to adjust the headsets on my 
> Rivendells. Are they all going to be 32 mm? That appears to be the most 
> common size. 
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers.
>
>
>

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