[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Spencer Hawkes]

My wife and I biked from Portland down into Northern California last summer 
and here are a few things that might apply to SF-LA:
-We followed the 'Bicycling the Pacific Coast' book pretty closely and 
showered almost every night. The state parks all were shower equipped, just 
bring along a hand-full of quarters. (Although most were free, some weren't)
-I brought a super light wool baselayer (smartwool) for sleeping and 
wandering around camp in the mornings. Slipping into something clean at 
night always felt good.
-Bring half a brillo pad for cookware cleaning
-Some sort of multi-use soap for dishes/hands
-I'm glad I brought a rag for bike repairs/wiping chain
-as mentioned before, headlamp
-Although not totally necessary, I brought a hand pump with a gauge. I'm 
not crazy into tire pressure being exact or anything, but the gauge was 
nice. (crankbrothers sells a great one)
-Small bottle of 100% aloe gel. I'm not great at applying sunscreen 
regularly, so this saved me, and it feels amazing to throw some on your 
forehead or neck even mid-ride if things are getting really hot.
-Lastly, not a piece of gear, but we always ate good food, and never 
worried about carrying extra food weight. Sweet potatoes and butter are 
awesome in tinfoil dinners, ice cream right outside the grocery store, nice 
sausages saurkraut and lemonade all made the trip that much more wonderful. 
Figure out what you want to indulge in a bit and go for it. For us it was 
food.

As a parting note, the crankbrothers multi-17 is the best multitool I've 
ever used, and the chain breaker is better than any other. I find myself 
reaching for it over my home mechanic chain tool from park pretty regularly 
now. Also it can be tightened if the tools come a bit loose after a few 
years, and as far as I'm aware has a lifetime guarantee (haven't had to use 
this in 6 years, but a friend has his replaced for free)

Have an awesome trip! Someday I hope to ride the section you'll be doing!

-Spencer
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Hugh Smitham]

The Nemo gogo is interesting, still like a tarp though a bit more
versatility. Seems if you have a leak on the air frame it could be a bummer
pretty small floor space & height. It is a bivy though. And not cheap!

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Jun 9, 2015 4:57 PM, "drew"  wrote:

> hugh, where are you going?
>
> im liking all the paring down suggestions.
> i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too
> much smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed,
> it's the size of medium sized cantaloupe.
>  right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and
> a basket. seems like i might have room to spare.
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Hugh Smitham]

Drew,

I'm heading to Vancouver Island BC for a two week tour. I pine for the PNW
and further North, VI has been on my list.

Next year,  I'm planning on doing the Oregon Outback like Mark just
finished and then some tours in the Sierra's.

I'm liking the Six Moons Designs Tent tarps for lightweight compressible
shelters. There are other manufacturers out there making ultra-lightweight
shelters but then the cost skyrockets. When I toured the California coast I
used a REI two person tent. I ditched the tent and used the rain fly &
footprint. I found  on the coast that bugs weren't an issue just the dew.
This year on my tour I'm considering the same with my Marmont Eos1,  ditch
the tent for the fly & footprint and bring my Titanium Goat bivy (7oz).
That way I'll keep the weight & space at a minimum.

Here's my setup. Atlantis,  small campee rack up front with basket & shop
sack clothes only to keep the weight at a minimum. Tubus low rider rack
with two small Carradice panniers usually empty but used to carry food &
beer into camp. Acorn handle bar bag for the stuff you grab most often,
keys,  wallet, camera ect...

Rear:

Medium Sackville Saddle sack, carrying synthetic 45f degree sleeping bag,
sleeping pad, pillow, fly & bivy, cook gear stove. Supported by the Nitto
R14 top rack.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015, 4:57 PM drew  wrote:

> hugh, where are you going?
>
> im liking all the paring down suggestions.
> i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too
> much smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed,
> it's the size of medium sized cantaloupe.
>  right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and
> a basket. seems like i might have room to spare.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, I find that decently made nylon boxers -- loose, hi-rise -- make very
comfortable riding togs -- nothing comes between me and my Target nylon
boxers.

The nice thing about these is that, tho' they will stink and within 24
hours if you ride much in them, they are very easy to wash and very quick
to dry. And I daresay that 3 pr of these will cost less than 1 pr of decent
merino undershorts.

In other news, I've found merino (will have to try my other lesser-wool
jerseys) jerseys are quite comfortable in temps up to 86F or so with 30%
humidity or so. More on this as temps rise.



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> i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the
> socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed
> after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat
> budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and
> the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's
> between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i
> will stink.
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

hugh, where are you going?

im liking all the paring down suggestions. 
i found a good deal on a nemo gogo, so ill be trying that out. not too much 
smaller than my 1 man tent, and a breeze to set up/take down. packed, it's 
the size of medium sized cantaloupe. 
 right now ive got a medium saddlesack, 2 jandd mini mountain panniers and 
a basket. seems like i might have room to spare.

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Hugh Smitham]

Drew,

I've used the devold for a couple years now and only worn my first pair
out. They finally just disintegrated. I think they're worth every penny.

Mark,

Your clothing pack list is spot on. I on the other hand have a tendency to
overpack.

When I'm riding I really don't need much on as I'm generating lot's of
heat. Synthetic stretch shorts, devold wool (two pair to rotate) underwear,
wool socks, button down lightweight synthetic shirt and windbreaker.

Once off the bike for 1/2 hour I get really cold obviously depending on the
current ambient temp, I usually change into light wool long underwear
(which I'll sleep in ) wool socks (2nd pair), my knickers, synthetic
sweater, beanie and if really cool light glove liners. I also bring a short
sleeve wool base layer shirt as a back up for the button down.

I suppose I could ditch the base layer but it's so light weight and
compressible it's hard to leave it behind. Maybe the knickers are overkill
as well but they're also lightweight and fairly compressible.

I also bring cheap flip flops to shower in. Really dislike foot fungus.

The above is my clothing list for an up coming two week tour.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Jun 9, 2015 2:16 PM, "drew"  wrote:

> i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the
> socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed
> after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat
> budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and
> the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's
> between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i
> will stink.
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Mark Reimer]

They'd last way longer than 3 days for sure. That was just how long I
decided to go before switching. I know many people who stick with one pair.
The Riv ones are probably 3 times thicker than the Mountain Equip. Co-op
and Smartwool pairs I've had. They're definitely designed with a bike seat
in mind. I can't see ever destroying them.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:16 PM, drew  wrote:

> i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the
> socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed
> after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat
> budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and
> the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's
> between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i
> will stink.
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

i was persuaded to try the merino underwear thing, since im already on the 
socks and shirt wagon. i had the same experience as you though. destroyed 
after 2 days of riding. i was using minus33, which i guess are somewhat 
budget.  tried buying the striped riv ones, but they are out of those and 
the devold. would be interested to hear if other brands can last.  if it's 
between stinking and spending 50$ on underwear that will last 3 days, i 
will stink. 

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Mark Reimer]

And by "Riding across Washington and Seattle" I meant Washington and 
Oregon. Doh. Need more coffee. 



On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 3:20:07 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I just finished an 8 day tour across Washington and Seattle and had some 
> interesting observations regarding clothes
>
> - I brought three t-shirts. I only ever wore one on the bike (merino 
> t-shirt, stayed dry while sweating). I'd often wear no shirt at all, which 
> was the most comfortable option. Then I had a cotton t-shirt I wore while 
> setting up camp and sleeping. Just nice to have a clean dry shirt to change 
> into. The third never left my bag. I should have stuck with two.
>
> - I had two pairs of shorts - denim cutoffs (jorts!) and some looser 
> synthetics. The denim shorts were fantastic till it rained for two days. 
> The synthetics were great for drying out quickly. I could have stuck with 
> the single pair of synthetics. Though my riding buddy wore denim cutoffs 
> with no underwear for over a month of riding and loved every minute of it 
> though. 
>
> - Merino underwear. This is the MOST important thing I had! I wore the 
> striped MUSA underwear for up to three days in a row, then would wash and 
> change to my second pair. It's all I needed. I was dry, fresh, happy. I had 
> a third pair of cheaper and much thinner merino. I tried pulling them off 
> to change and they completely fell apart in my hands, hah! Pays to get 
> quality I guess. 
>
> - Socks - two pairs max needed. Merino wool to keep that foot stank out
>
> - Merino wool sweater for the cool and/or moist days. (Seeing a trend? 
> Wool is the best!)
>
> - thin gloves and a rain shell. That's all I needed for clothes. It was 
> enough to be clean, comfortable, and presentable if needed. Of course, your 
> standards may be higher than mine. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>>
>> If you're a cold person, bring a down sweater. If you're warm person, or 
>> a freshly landed meteorite as my wife calls me, down is overkill for the 
>> coast, but windbreakers are a must.
>>
>> On synthetics vs down or wool, I only feel cozy with down or wool. 
>> Synthetics keep me from being cold, but I never feel cozy warm.
>>
>> I know synthetic down substitutes say they keep you warm if they get wet, 
>> but have you ever tried it in the wild? If getting wet is unavoidable, I 
>> use fleece (or neoprene). Fleece you can shake out if drenched, but 
>> synthetic downs not so much. And synthetic down substitutes have a short 
>> life-span, never leave them in a stuff sack in a hot car or car trunk. It 
>> doesn't take much heat to permanently flatten their loft. 
>>
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Mark Reimer]

I just finished an 8 day tour across Washington and Seattle and had some 
interesting observations regarding clothes

- I brought three t-shirts. I only ever wore one on the bike (merino 
t-shirt, stayed dry while sweating). I'd often wear no shirt at all, which 
was the most comfortable option. Then I had a cotton t-shirt I wore while 
setting up camp and sleeping. Just nice to have a clean dry shirt to change 
into. The third never left my bag. I should have stuck with two.

- I had two pairs of shorts - denim cutoffs (jorts!) and some looser 
synthetics. The denim shorts were fantastic till it rained for two days. 
The synthetics were great for drying out quickly. I could have stuck with 
the single pair of synthetics. Though my riding buddy wore denim cutoffs 
with no underwear for over a month of riding and loved every minute of it 
though. 

- Merino underwear. This is the MOST important thing I had! I wore the 
striped MUSA underwear for up to three days in a row, then would wash and 
change to my second pair. It's all I needed. I was dry, fresh, happy. I had 
a third pair of cheaper and much thinner merino. I tried pulling them off 
to change and they completely fell apart in my hands, hah! Pays to get 
quality I guess. 

- Socks - two pairs max needed. Merino wool to keep that foot stank out

- Merino wool sweater for the cool and/or moist days. (Seeing a trend? Wool 
is the best!)

- thin gloves and a rain shell. That's all I needed for clothes. It was 
enough to be clean, comfortable, and presentable if needed. Of course, your 
standards may be higher than mine. 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>
> If you're a cold person, bring a down sweater. If you're warm person, or a 
> freshly landed meteorite as my wife calls me, down is overkill for the 
> coast, but windbreakers are a must.
>
> On synthetics vs down or wool, I only feel cozy with down or wool. 
> Synthetics keep me from being cold, but I never feel cozy warm.
>
> I know synthetic down substitutes say they keep you warm if they get wet, 
> but have you ever tried it in the wild? If getting wet is unavoidable, I 
> use fleece (or neoprene). Fleece you can shake out if drenched, but 
> synthetic downs not so much. And synthetic down substitutes have a short 
> life-span, never leave them in a stuff sack in a hot car or car trunk. It 
> doesn't take much heat to permanently flatten their loft. 
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[John]

If you're a cold person, bring a down sweater. If you're warm person, or a 
freshly landed meteorite as my wife calls me, down is overkill for the 
coast, but windbreakers are a must.

On synthetics vs down or wool, I only feel cozy with down or wool. 
Synthetics keep me from being cold, but I never feel cozy warm.

I know synthetic down substitutes say they keep you warm if they get wet, 
but have you ever tried it in the wild? If getting wet is unavoidable, I 
use fleece (or neoprene). Fleece you can shake out if drenched, but 
synthetic downs not so much. And synthetic down substitutes have a short 
life-span, never leave them in a stuff sack in a hot car or car trunk. It 
doesn't take much heat to permanently flatten their loft. 

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Surlyprof]

For those using a thermarest pad, I always had good luck with their compact 
chair kit (I have an earlier version).  Once you get a handle on how to 
fold it up, it works great.  A little padding and lumbar support after a 
day of hiking or biking was always a welcome relief.

John

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 2:40:13 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad: 
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001&mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=pla_multichannelonline&mr:ad=52774012000&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=126983827960&msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs
>  
>
> Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip 
> (starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz 
> pad. It would be so very handy. 
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil > 
> wrote: 
> > Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, 
> but 
> > preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp. 
> > 
> > Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although 
> it 
> > wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of 
> my 
> > puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer 
> over 
> > a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon. 
> > 
> > Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great 
> luck 
> > burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag 
> deep in 
> > a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of 
> > Oregon. Cans R better, of course. 
> > 
> > Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his 
> > backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the 
> older 
> > Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is 
> > negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like 
> a 
> > large Nalgene bottle). 
> > 
> > I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with 
> picnic 
> > tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he 
> is 
> > off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the 
> options 
> > are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair. 
> > 
> > Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast! 
> > 
> > On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: 
> >> 
> >> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> >> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out 
> there and 
> >> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> >> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked 
> >> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the 
> >> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested 
> >> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have 
> some 
> >> time, and i like thinking about it. 
> >> 
> >> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd 
> mini 
> >> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave 
> open 
> >> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
> >> 
> >> rear rack/camper bag 
> >> 
> >> tent 
> >> 
> >> sleeping bag/pad 
> >> 
> >> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> >> capability, but it's pretty heavy) 
> >> 
> >> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff 
> >> 
> >> lock 
> >> 
> >> towel 
> >> 
> >> camera 
> >> 
> >> tools/maintenance 
> >> 
> >> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit 
> >> 
> >> multi tool 
> >> 
> >> crescent wrench 
> >> 
> >> pump 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> front panniers 
> >> 
> >> 5 t-shirts 
> >> 
> >> overshirt 
> >> 
> >> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
> >> 
> >> 2 shorts 
> >> 
> >> underwear/socks 
> >> 
> >> rain jacket 
> >> 
> >> packable down jacket 
> >> 
> >> sandals 
> >> 
> >> toiletries 
> >> 
> >> chargers/ipod nano 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o 
> list, 
> >> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> >> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> >> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> >> strapped to their bikes. 
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[M D Smith]

I have used the Big Agnes system and I am not a huge fan.  I LOVE the 
sleeping bag (I forget the model name, but it's a 40 degree rated down bag 
- perfect for all but wintertime bike touring.)  It's the pad I couldn't 
stand...  I use the bag but ditched the pad, opting for my trusty 3/4 
length Thermarest (which works fine in the BA's sleeve, which is genius) 
instead.

The things I did not like about the BA pad:

-You have to blow it up.  I much prefer the "self inflating" Thermarest.  
When I get to my destination for the eve, I set up the tent, unscrew the 
pad's valve, and throw it in there.  After I eat, have a beer, and fart 
around camp for a bit the pad is mostly inflated requiring only a few puffs 
to firm it up before bed.

-The BA pad was noisy.  I tend to move around a lot as I go to sleep and 
the BA pad sounds like a candy wrapper in a movie theater every time you 
move a muscle.

-Also, the stiffness of the thick BA pad affixed to the bottom of the bag 
made me feel trapped in it.  When I wake up in the morning, the first thing 
I do is lie on my back and lift my knees for a few minutes.  I could not do 
this with the full length BA pad in the sleeve and being stuck in a rigid 
sleeping bag made me very claustrophobic.

Obviously these are just my quirks, so take that as you may, but I'd 
recommend a few nights "test ride" on your floor or in your backyard before 
heading out on a multi day trip with the BA system.  As I said, I highly 
recommend the sleeping bags, I just don't like the pad.  

-Mike





On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 11:32:04 PM UTC-4, Dennis Hogan wrote:

> +1 for John's Big Agnes system. I don't have it but wish I did. Am 
> contemplating velcro to attach the bag to the pad but haven't tried the 
> idea yet. Am also a side sleeper and find the bag and pad seem to have a 
> -/+ relationship of mutual attraction leading to sore mornings.
> Dennis in PDX
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-7, John Bennett wrote:
>>
>> Best sleep system, bar none, is made by Big Agnes. The inflatable pad 
>> fits into a sleeve integrated in the bag. No more slipping off. Fantastic!
>>
>> https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/SleepingBags
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Dennis Hogan]

+1 for John's Big Agnes system. I don't have it but wish I did. Am 
contemplating velcro to attach the bag to the pad but haven't tried the 
idea yet. Am also a side sleeper and find the bag and pad seem to have a 
-/+ relationship of mutual attraction leading to sore mornings.
Dennis in PDX

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-7, John Bennett wrote:
>
> Best sleep system, bar none, is made by Big Agnes. The inflatable pad fits 
> into a sleeve integrated in the bag. No more slipping off. Fantastic!
>
> https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/SleepingBags
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
>> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
>> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
>> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
>> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
>> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
>> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
>> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>>
>> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd 
>> mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave 
>> open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided 
>> cooler. 
>>
>> *rear rack/camper bag*
>>
>> tent
>>
>> sleeping bag/pad
>>
>> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
>> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>>
>> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>>
>> lock
>>
>> towel 
>>
>> camera 
>>
>> *tools/maintenance *
>>
>> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>>
>> multi tool
>>
>> crescent wrench 
>>
>> pump
>>
>>
>> *front panniers *
>>
>> 5 t-shirts
>>
>> overshirt 
>>
>> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>>
>> 2 shorts
>>
>> underwear/socks
>>
>> rain jacket
>>
>> packable down jacket
>>
>> sandals
>>
>> toiletries 
>>
>> chargers/ipod nano
>>
>>
>>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
>> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
>> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
>> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
>> strapped to their bikes. 
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Ryan Christbaum]

>
> Definitely a warm jacket of some sort.  I live in the Berkeley hills and I 
> only sleep with the windows open 3-5 days per year.  I know a guy who once 
> drove cabs in SF and made the best money during the summer from freezing 
> passengers.  You could also detour east of SF by 20 miles and get the Riv 
> tour.
>
 
-Ryan 

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[dougP]

That little Therm-a-Rest pad can also double as a knee pad.  I use my flip 
flops for kneeling pads when messing around in my tent from the outside.  
That would be better.

dougP

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

I'm planning to go more or less the speed of the book, so ~70 riding
days and ~12 rest days. I won't slavishly follow the book, because I'm
incapable of being ordered around by books. But I expect I'll go about
that speed.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:54 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
> Anne,
>
> I'm  with you, I too am a side sleeper and a air mattress is a must. I've 
> found that if I keep it slightly deflated I get a wonderful night of rest. 
> That foam pad looks great! Super lightweight perfect for siting anywhere,  
> just not really compressible. These days I like super compression to save on 
> space.
>
> Your doing the entire divide? How long are you taking?
>
> ~Hugh
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

I have had two Big Agnes pads. In both cases, they worked just great
until one morning when I woke up and I was sleeping on the ground.
Others have reported the same thing-- eventually they leak, unfixably.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:16 PM, John Bennett  wrote:
> Best sleep system, bar none, is made by Big Agnes. The inflatable pad fits
> into a sleeve integrated in the bag. No more slipping off. Fantastic!
>
> https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/SleepingBags
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first
>> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and
>> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im
>> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've blocked
>> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the
>> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested
>> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some
>> time, and i like thinking about it.
>>
>> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini
>> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open
>> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler.
>>
>> rear rack/camper bag
>>
>> tent
>>
>> sleeping bag/pad
>>
>> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging
>> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>>
>> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>>
>> lock
>>
>> towel
>>
>> camera
>>
>> tools/maintenance
>>
>> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>>
>> multi tool
>>
>> crescent wrench
>>
>> pump
>>
>>
>> front panniers
>>
>> 5 t-shirts
>>
>> overshirt
>>
>> 2 musa or musa-like pants
>>
>> 2 shorts
>>
>> underwear/socks
>>
>> rain jacket
>>
>> packable down jacket
>>
>> sandals
>>
>> toiletries
>>
>> chargers/ipod nano
>>
>>
>>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list,
>> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside
>> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what
>> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff
>> strapped to their bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[hsmitham]

Anne,

I'm  with you, I too am a side sleeper and a air mattress is a must. I've found 
that if I keep it slightly deflated I get a wonderful night of rest. That foam 
pad looks great! Super lightweight perfect for siting anywhere,  just not 
really compressible. These days I like super compression to save on space.

Your doing the entire divide? How long are you taking? 

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[John Bennett]

Best sleep system, bar none, is made by Big Agnes. The inflatable pad fits 
into a sleeve integrated in the bag. No more slipping off. Fantastic!

https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/SleepingBags

Cheers,

John

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
>  
>
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

we got a friend of mine one of those fancy REI chairs. it's pretty cool, 
and youll be the hero of any camp out if you have an extra chair or can 
roll a large rock well. ill probably just use my z-lite sleeping pad on 
this trip though. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Deacon Patrick]

Nobody old rides the Great Divide MTB. Grin. I imagine side sleepers are 
allowed, though I have no idea what that has to do with foam v inflatable. 
Grin. I am delighted you know what works for you!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm old, and a side sleeper. No foam for me. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

I'm old, and a side sleeper. No foam for me.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Ahhh. Got it. Is there a benefit for you of an air mattress over a foam?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> My sleeping pad is an air mattress. I don't want to expose it to the
>> bare ground because it could get punctured. The beauty of that little
>> z-pad is that it's tough enough to stand some abuse.
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Deacon Patrick]

Ahhh. Got it. Is there a benefit for you of an air mattress over a foam?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> My sleeping pad is an air mattress. I don't want to expose it to the 
> bare ground because it could get punctured. The beauty of that little 
> z-pad is that it's tough enough to stand some abuse. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

My sleeping pad is an air mattress. I don't want to expose it to the
bare ground because it could get punctured. The beauty of that little
z-pad is that it's tough enough to stand some abuse.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Anne, are you not taking a sleeping pad? If I use a pad to sit on (I usually
> don't) I just use my sleeping pad (a cut-down Thermarest Ridge foam like
> that).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:40:13 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad:
>>
>> http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001&mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=pla_multichannelonline&mr:ad=52774012000&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=126983827960&msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs
>>
>> Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip
>> (starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz
>> pad. It would be so very handy.
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil  wrote:
>> > Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes,
>> > but
>> > preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp.
>> >
>> > Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although
>> > it
>> > wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of
>> > my
>> > puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer
>> > over
>> > a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon.
>> >
>> > Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great
>> > luck
>> > burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag
>> > deep in
>> > a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of
>> > Oregon. Cans R better, of course.
>> >
>> > Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his
>> > backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the
>> > older
>> > Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is
>> > negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like
>> > a
>> > large Nalgene bottle).
>> >
>> > I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with
>> > picnic
>> > tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he
>> > is
>> > off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the
>> > options
>> > are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair.
>> >
>> > Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast!
>> >
>> > On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>> >>
>> >> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first
>> >> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out
>> >> there and
>> >> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im
>> >> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've
>> >> blocked
>> >> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the
>> >> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be
>> >> interested
>> >> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have
>> >> some
>> >> time, and i like thinking about it.
>> >>
>> >> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd
>> >> mini
>> >> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave
>> >> open
>> >> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler.
>> >>
>> >> rear rack/camper bag
>> >>
>> >> tent
>> >>
>> >> sleeping bag/pad
>> >>
>> >> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging
>> >> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>> >>
>> >> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>> >>
>> >> lock
>> >>
>> >> towel
>> >>
>> >> camera
>> >>
>> >> tools/maintenance
>> >>
>> >> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>> >>
>> >> multi tool
>> >>
>> >> crescent wrench
>> >>
>> >> pump
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> front panniers
>> >>
>> >> 5 t-shirts
>> >>
>> >> overshirt
>> >>
>> >> 2 musa or musa-like pants
>> >>
>> >> 2 shorts
>> >>
>> >> underwear/socks
>> >>
>> >> rain jacket
>> >>
>> >> packable down jacket
>> >>
>> >> sandals
>> >>
>> >> toiletries
>> >>
>> >> chargers/ipod nano
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o
>> >> list,
>> >> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside
>> >> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what
>> >> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff
>> >> strapped to their bikes.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Deacon Patrick]

Anne, are you not taking a sleeping pad? If I use a pad to sit on (I 
usually don't) I just use my sleeping pad (a cut-down Thermarest Ridge foam 
like that).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:40:13 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad: 
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001&mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=pla_multichannelonline&mr:ad=52774012000&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=126983827960&msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs
>  
>
> Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip 
> (starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz 
> pad. It would be so very handy. 
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil > 
> wrote: 
> > Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, 
> but 
> > preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp. 
> > 
> > Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although 
> it 
> > wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of 
> my 
> > puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer 
> over 
> > a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon. 
> > 
> > Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great 
> luck 
> > burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag 
> deep in 
> > a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of 
> > Oregon. Cans R better, of course. 
> > 
> > Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his 
> > backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the 
> older 
> > Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is 
> > negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like 
> a 
> > large Nalgene bottle). 
> > 
> > I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with 
> picnic 
> > tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he 
> is 
> > off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the 
> options 
> > are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair. 
> > 
> > Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast! 
> > 
> > On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: 
> >> 
> >> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> >> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out 
> there and 
> >> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> >> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked 
> >> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the 
> >> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested 
> >> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have 
> some 
> >> time, and i like thinking about it. 
> >> 
> >> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd 
> mini 
> >> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave 
> open 
> >> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
> >> 
> >> rear rack/camper bag 
> >> 
> >> tent 
> >> 
> >> sleeping bag/pad 
> >> 
> >> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> >> capability, but it's pretty heavy) 
> >> 
> >> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff 
> >> 
> >> lock 
> >> 
> >> towel 
> >> 
> >> camera 
> >> 
> >> tools/maintenance 
> >> 
> >> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit 
> >> 
> >> multi tool 
> >> 
> >> crescent wrench 
> >> 
> >> pump 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> front panniers 
> >> 
> >> 5 t-shirts 
> >> 
> >> overshirt 
> >> 
> >> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
> >> 
> >> 2 shorts 
> >> 
> >> underwear/socks 
> >> 
> >> rain jacket 
> >> 
> >> packable down jacket 
> >> 
> >> sandals 
> >> 
> >> toiletries 
> >> 
> >> chargers/ipod nano 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o 
> list, 
> >> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> >> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> >> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> >> strapped to their bikes. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

I'm taking longing looks at this sitting pad:
http://www.rei.com/product/829881/therm-a-rest-z-seat-pad?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla_multichannel-_-8298810001&mr:trackingCode=8338A8F1-E449-E111-BC1B-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=pla_multichannelonline&mr:ad=52774012000&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=126983827960&msid=ovjLvtDz_dc|pcrid|52774012000|&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA#tab-specs

Now that I've decided to use rear rack and panniers for my Divide trip
(starts next month, yikes) I have somewhere to strap that little 2 oz
pad. It would be so very handy.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Neil  wrote:
> Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, but
> preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp.
>
> Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although it
> wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of my
> puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer over
> a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon.
>
> Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great luck
> burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag deep in
> a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of
> Oregon. Cans R better, of course.
>
> Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his
> backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the older
> Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is
> negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like a
> large Nalgene bottle).
>
> I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with picnic
> tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he is
> off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the options
> are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair.
>
> Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast!
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first
>> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and
>> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im
>> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've blocked
>> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the
>> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested
>> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some
>> time, and i like thinking about it.
>>
>> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini
>> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open
>> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler.
>>
>> rear rack/camper bag
>>
>> tent
>>
>> sleeping bag/pad
>>
>> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging
>> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>>
>> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>>
>> lock
>>
>> towel
>>
>> camera
>>
>> tools/maintenance
>>
>> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>>
>> multi tool
>>
>> crescent wrench
>>
>> pump
>>
>>
>> front panniers
>>
>> 5 t-shirts
>>
>> overshirt
>>
>> 2 musa or musa-like pants
>>
>> 2 shorts
>>
>> underwear/socks
>>
>> rain jacket
>>
>> packable down jacket
>>
>> sandals
>>
>> toiletries
>>
>> chargers/ipod nano
>>
>>
>>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list,
>> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside
>> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what
>> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff
>> strapped to their bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[dougP]

After seen the photos attached to Manny's post "Mashley S24O Half Moon 
Bay", I withdraw my previous suggestion about leaving behind the down 
jacket.  Those pix have got me thinking maybe I need one.

dougP

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
>  
>
>
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Neil]

Good start to your list. I also think you are bringing too many clothes, 
but preferences matter. Yes, add a headlamp.

Just got back from 3 nights through southern Humboldt Co., and although it 
wasn't necessary, I greatly appreciated the luxury and instant warmth of my 
puffy coat. Oh-so-nice at the end of the day to have this single layer over 
a cotton t-shirt rather than layers of wool and nylon.

Also, regarding transport of cooler-type items...I've always had great luck 
burying beer, cheese, meat, etc. in my down coat and/or sleeping bag deep 
in a pannier. Beer keeps cold all day, even through the late-summer heat of 
Oregon. Cans R better, of course.

Oh, one other consideration...my buddy insists on bringing his 
backpacking-type camp chair on bike overnights. This isn't one of the older 
Thermarest-style ones, but a modern one from REI with legs. Weight is 
negligible to me, I think less than a pound, but is slightly bulky (like a 
large Nalgene bottle).

I feel this item is overkill if you are in developed campgounds with picnic 
tables, and yet I always find myself stealing time in his chair while he is 
off doing camp chores. For bandit camping with no facilities, if the 
options are sitting on the ground or on a chair, I would bring this chair.

Have fun on your trip, sounds like a blast!

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
>  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[James P]

I'd add a torch/headlamp to your list.

Also, you may want to check out crazyguyonabike.com if you haven't already 
- there are great trip reports which might give you some route/campsite 
ideas. (You can filter by area etc.)

For navigation, a map (or two) is not a bad idea either - Adventure 
Cycling's Pacific Coast Maps #4 & #5 is what you'll need for SF to LA 
(http://www.adventurecycling.org/routes-and-maps/adventure-cycling-route-network/pacific-coast/)

Items I'd also consider which are super light & add to your safety - a 
reflective triangle ($8 on the Riv site here 
) and ankle reflectors ($10 on 
the Riv site here ) - adding to 
your conspicuity for those early mornings and late afternoons on Highway 1 
(which can get foggy) is always a good idea.

Pedal safe, take lots of photos (to prove it happened) & best of luck with 
the trip. 

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[John Bennett]

I rode the PCH 15 years ago, and found this book to be very helpful in 
navigating the ride. I don't know if it's been updated recently, but it 
never gave me a bum steer:

http://www.amazon.com/Bicycling-Pacific-Coast-Vicky-Spring/dp/0898869544

Have fun. 

John


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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

wouldn't whiskey be the ultralight option?

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Eric Norris]

Wow. How did I forget the BEER?

http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/don-t-let-the-can-get-you-down-get-yourself-a-beer-growler-pannier/
 

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> On May 22, 2015, at 7:09 PM, drew  wrote:
> 
> i tried to resist the down puffy jacket for a while, just because it seems 
> like everyone in any outdoor setting has them.  it truly is a great piece of 
> travel gear though. i take mine on any and all trips, bike or un-bike 
> related. 
> 
> sidenote-  rei and campsaver have the patagonia nano puffs on sale this 
> weekend. not down, but warm, ok with getting wet, and extremely compactable
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

i tried to resist the down puffy jacket for a while, just because it seems 
like everyone in any outdoor setting has them.  it truly is a great piece 
of travel gear though. i take mine on any and all trips, bike or un-bike 
related. 

sidenote-  rei and campsaver have the patagonia nano puffs on sale this 
weekend. not down, but warm, ok with getting wet, and extremely compactable

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree with Anne.  It might not be the most socially responsible place to 
buy down clothing, but I got mine from Uniqlo.  Their ultralight down 
jackets are super cheap, very fashionable, and it comes with its own 
ultralight stuffsack.  I use mine for lounging in camp, and then stuff it 
into my pillowcase when I bed-down.  It's a jacket and a pillow.  

On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 12:52:55 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I disagree with "leave the down at home." In all the coast hiker-biker 
> campgrounds every night, you will see people wearing those down 
> "puffies." It gets cold at night. The last time I stayed at one of the 
> coast hiker-bikers, the one at Half Moon Bay, I brought my down puffy 
> jacket and was glad to have it. 
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, dougP > 
> wrote: 
> > Drew: 
> > 
> > I agree with the comments that you are taking too many clothes.  2 
> t-shirts 
> > made of a quick dry material are adequate.  One wool LS jersey & one SS 
> plus 
> > the Ts give you plenty of layering options.  Rain jacket "yes" but leave 
> the 
> > down at home.  One pair of pants.  I use a cargo net like Rivendell 
> sells to 
> > hold my stuff on the rear rack, and it is a convenient place to put damp 
> > laundry that hasn't dried out overnight.  10' of clothesline plus a few 
> > clothes pins are handy for drying in camp and don't take much space. 
> > 
> > Personally I've found multi-tools to be highly over-rated.  Sure, they 
> have 
> > everything in the world BUT they are inconvenient to use (every tried to 
> use 
> > the chain breaker on one?).  Go over your own bike & see what it needs. 
>  On 
> > my Atlantis (a pretty standard Riv build), 3-4 allen keys, a small 
> > screwdriver, 8 & 10 mm wrenches (Park makes a very thin one) take care 
> of 
> > most common adjustments.  Trade the crescent wrench for a real chain 
> > breaker.  I've lugged around a cassette cracker & one each replacement 
> > spokes and have never used them, but I think that wards off broken 
> spokes. 
> > 
> > Where in LA are you ending?  And how are you getting home?  Those points 
> > could effect your routing at the end.  BPC is based on continuing beyond 
> LA, 
> > and there are various options if this is your end point.  At the end of 
> your 
> > trip you'll be tired and interested in making it simple. 
> > 
> > dougP 
> > 
> > On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote: 
> >> 
> >> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> >> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out 
> there and 
> >> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> >> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked 
> >> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the 
> >> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested 
> >> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have 
> some 
> >> time, and i like thinking about it. 
> >> 
> >> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd 
> mini 
> >> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave 
> open 
> >> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
> >> 
> >> rear rack/camper bag 
> >> 
> >> tent 
> >> 
> >> sleeping bag/pad 
> >> 
> >> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> >> capability, but it's pretty heavy) 
> >> 
> >> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff 
> >> 
> >> lock 
> >> 
> >> towel 
> >> 
> >> camera 
> >> 
> >> tools/maintenance 
> >> 
> >> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit 
> >> 
> >> multi tool 
> >> 
> >> crescent wrench 
> >> 
> >> pump 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> front panniers 
> >> 
> >> 5 t-shirts 
> >> 
> >> overshirt 
> >> 
> >> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
> >> 
> >> 2 shorts 
> >> 
> >> underwear/socks 
> >> 
> >> rain jacket 
> >> 
> >> packable down jacket 
> >> 
> >> sandals 
> >> 
> >> toiletries 
> >> 
> >> chargers/ipod nano 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o 
> list, 
> >> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> >> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> >> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> >> strapped to their bikes. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[dougP]

The Ballona Creek bikeway, just below Marina del Rey, takes you to the Expo 
Line.  Don't succumb to depression; take the train.  

dougP

On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 12:22:57 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> great. this is getting good. consensus is that there are too many clothes, 
> and now i get to justify buying some versatile quick drying stuff too. 
>
> thanks for the route suggestions, and keep them coming. any chance to get 
> off the main highway is welcome. 
>
> doug, i live in LA, near downtown. i'll just be riding home from pch, 
> which will be a depressing end to the trip, but one i feel i must make. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

For even more getting off Highway 1, instead of exiting at Pescadero
Creek Road, take Stage Road just north of San Gregorio. That takes you
to Pescadero, where you can go left on Pescadero Creek Road, then take
Cloverdale & Gazos Creek as Bill describes.  Stage Road has two
moderate climbs, but it's deserted and beautiful.


On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Speaking of side routes, I highly recommend getting off Hwy1 at Pescadero
> Creek Road, right on Cloverdale Road, right on Gazos Creek Road.  That adds
> a tiny bit of distance and a bit of climbing but it is removed from the Hwy
> 1 traffic for a bit, and takes you through a couple cute towns.  You'll
> still make it to Santa Cruz on Day 1.  All the Central Coast Randonneurs
> know that loop.
>
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 11:02:43 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Drew:
>>
>> Re:  Anne's comment: "There's an oil spill at Refugio State Beach, north
>> of Santa Barbara. You have an option to go inland there. Do so. The
>> campgrounds along
>> the coast are closed anyway because of the spill. "  As of today, they are
>> estimating weeks to months for the cleanup so likely the campgrounds will
>> remain closed.
>>
>> In BPC this is the Santa Ynez Valley Alternate.  San Marcos Pass gets lots
>> of high speed traffic BUT there is an old road roughly paralleling SR 154.
>> BPC says at mile 36.5 "start 4 mile climb".  Before that, on the left side
>> of the highway look for Paradise Rd or a sign to Paradise.  Take this,
>> keeping the main highway in sight on your right (there are a couple of
>> forks).  This road crosses under the main highway where it is up on a very
>> tall bridge and continues up to the Cold Spring Tavern and eventually
>> rejoins SR 154 at the summit.  It has steeper sections but is lightly
>> trafficked and more scenic.  After you re-join SR 154, it's all downhill to
>> Santa Barbara.  A couple of miles down from the pass, on your right is Old
>> San Marcos Pass Rd, another lightly trafficked alternate that ends at
>> Cathedral Oaks Rd.  Turn left (east) on Cathedral Oaks, the right (south) on
>> Turnpike Rd (at Tucker's Grove park).  After Turnpike crosses the 101
>> freeway & RR tracks, turn left on Hollister (near San Marcos HS) to re-join
>> the BPC route.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first
>>> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and
>>> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im
>>> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've blocked
>>> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the
>>> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested
>>> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some
>>> time, and i like thinking about it.
>>>
>>> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd
>>> mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave
>>> open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler.
>>>
>>> rear rack/camper bag
>>>
>>> tent
>>>
>>> sleeping bag/pad
>>>
>>> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging
>>> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>>>
>>> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>>>
>>> lock
>>>
>>> towel
>>>
>>> camera
>>>
>>> tools/maintenance
>>>
>>> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>>>
>>> multi tool
>>>
>>> crescent wrench
>>>
>>> pump
>>>
>>>
>>> front panniers
>>>
>>> 5 t-shirts
>>>
>>> overshirt
>>>
>>> 2 musa or musa-like pants
>>>
>>> 2 shorts
>>>
>>> underwear/socks
>>>
>>> rain jacket
>>>
>>> packable down jacket
>>>
>>> sandals
>>>
>>> toiletries
>>>
>>> chargers/ipod nano
>>>
>>>
>>>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list,
>>> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside
>>> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what
>>> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff
>>> strapped to their bikes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

I disagree with "leave the down at home." In all the coast hiker-biker
campgrounds every night, you will see people wearing those down
"puffies." It gets cold at night. The last time I stayed at one of the
coast hiker-bikers, the one at Half Moon Bay, I brought my down puffy
jacket and was glad to have it.

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, dougP  wrote:
> Drew:
>
> I agree with the comments that you are taking too many clothes.  2 t-shirts
> made of a quick dry material are adequate.  One wool LS jersey & one SS plus
> the Ts give you plenty of layering options.  Rain jacket "yes" but leave the
> down at home.  One pair of pants.  I use a cargo net like Rivendell sells to
> hold my stuff on the rear rack, and it is a convenient place to put damp
> laundry that hasn't dried out overnight.  10' of clothesline plus a few
> clothes pins are handy for drying in camp and don't take much space.
>
> Personally I've found multi-tools to be highly over-rated.  Sure, they have
> everything in the world BUT they are inconvenient to use (every tried to use
> the chain breaker on one?).  Go over your own bike & see what it needs.  On
> my Atlantis (a pretty standard Riv build), 3-4 allen keys, a small
> screwdriver, 8 & 10 mm wrenches (Park makes a very thin one) take care of
> most common adjustments.  Trade the crescent wrench for a real chain
> breaker.  I've lugged around a cassette cracker & one each replacement
> spokes and have never used them, but I think that wards off broken spokes.
>
> Where in LA are you ending?  And how are you getting home?  Those points
> could effect your routing at the end.  BPC is based on continuing beyond LA,
> and there are various options if this is your end point.  At the end of your
> trip you'll be tired and interested in making it simple.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first
>> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there and
>> see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im
>> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've blocked
>> out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling the
>> pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be interested
>> in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but i have some
>> time, and i like thinking about it.
>>
>> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini
>> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open
>> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler.
>>
>> rear rack/camper bag
>>
>> tent
>>
>> sleeping bag/pad
>>
>> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging
>> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>>
>> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>>
>> lock
>>
>> towel
>>
>> camera
>>
>> tools/maintenance
>>
>> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>>
>> multi tool
>>
>> crescent wrench
>>
>> pump
>>
>>
>> front panniers
>>
>> 5 t-shirts
>>
>> overshirt
>>
>> 2 musa or musa-like pants
>>
>> 2 shorts
>>
>> underwear/socks
>>
>> rain jacket
>>
>> packable down jacket
>>
>> sandals
>>
>> toiletries
>>
>> chargers/ipod nano
>>
>>
>>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list,
>> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside
>> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what
>> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff
>> strapped to their bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[sameness]

>
> doug, i live in LA, near downtown. i'll just be riding home from pch, 
> which will be a depressing end to the trip, but one i feel i must make. 
>

Loop through Santa Monica and you can draft me home.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

great. this is getting good. consensus is that there are too many clothes, 
and now i get to justify buying some versatile quick drying stuff too. 

thanks for the route suggestions, and keep them coming. any chance to get 
off the main highway is welcome. 

doug, i live in LA, near downtown. i'll just be riding home from pch, which 
will be a depressing end to the trip, but one i feel i must make. 

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Bill Lindsay]

Speaking of side routes, I highly recommend getting off Hwy1 at Pescadero 
Creek Road, right on Cloverdale Road, right on Gazos Creek Road.  That adds 
a tiny bit of distance and a bit of climbing but it is removed from the Hwy 
1 traffic for a bit, and takes you through a couple cute towns.  You'll 
still make it to Santa Cruz on Day 1.  All the Central Coast Randonneurs 
know that loop.  

On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 11:02:43 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Drew:
>
> Re:  Anne's comment: "There's an oil spill at Refugio State Beach, north 
> of Santa Barbara. You have an option to go inland there. Do so. The 
> campgrounds along 
> the coast are closed anyway because of the spill. "  As of today, they are 
> estimating weeks to months for the cleanup so likely the campgrounds will 
> remain closed.
>
> In BPC this is the Santa Ynez Valley Alternate.  San Marcos Pass gets lots 
> of high speed traffic BUT there is an old road roughly paralleling SR 154.  
> BPC says at mile 36.5 "start 4 mile climb".  Before that, on the left side 
> of the highway look for Paradise Rd or a sign to Paradise.  Take this, 
> keeping the main highway in sight on your right (there are a couple of 
> forks).  This road crosses under the main highway where it is up on a very 
> tall bridge and continues up to the Cold Spring Tavern and eventually 
> rejoins SR 154 at the summit.  It has steeper sections but is lightly 
> trafficked and more scenic.  After you re-join SR 154, it's all downhill to 
> Santa Barbara.  A couple of miles down from the pass, on your right is Old 
> San Marcos Pass Rd, another lightly trafficked alternate that ends at 
> Cathedral Oaks Rd.  Turn left (east) on Cathedral Oaks, the right (south) 
> on Turnpike Rd (at Tucker's Grove park).  After Turnpike crosses the 101 
> freeway & RR tracks, turn left on Hollister (near San Marcos HS) to re-join 
> the BPC route.  
>
> dougP  
>
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
>> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
>> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
>> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
>> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
>> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
>> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
>> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>>
>> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd 
>> mini mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave 
>> open for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided 
>> cooler. 
>>
>> *rear rack/camper bag*
>>
>> tent
>>
>> sleeping bag/pad
>>
>> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
>> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>>
>> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>>
>> lock
>>
>> towel 
>>
>> camera 
>>
>> *tools/maintenance *
>>
>> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>>
>> multi tool
>>
>> crescent wrench 
>>
>> pump
>>
>>
>> *front panniers *
>>
>> 5 t-shirts
>>
>> overshirt 
>>
>> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>>
>> 2 shorts
>>
>> underwear/socks
>>
>> rain jacket
>>
>> packable down jacket
>>
>> sandals
>>
>> toiletries 
>>
>> chargers/ipod nano
>>
>>
>>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
>> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
>> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
>> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
>> strapped to their bikes. 
>>  
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[dougP]

Drew:

Re:  Anne's comment: "There's an oil spill at Refugio State Beach, north of 
Santa Barbara. You have an option to go inland there. Do so. The 
campgrounds along 
the coast are closed anyway because of the spill. "  As of today, they are 
estimating weeks to months for the cleanup so likely the campgrounds will 
remain closed.

In BPC this is the Santa Ynez Valley Alternate.  San Marcos Pass gets lots 
of high speed traffic BUT there is an old road roughly paralleling SR 154.  
BPC says at mile 36.5 "start 4 mile climb".  Before that, on the left side 
of the highway look for Paradise Rd or a sign to Paradise.  Take this, 
keeping the main highway in sight on your right (there are a couple of 
forks).  This road crosses under the main highway where it is up on a very 
tall bridge and continues up to the Cold Spring Tavern and eventually 
rejoins SR 154 at the summit.  It has steeper sections but is lightly 
trafficked and more scenic.  After you re-join SR 154, it's all downhill to 
Santa Barbara.  A couple of miles down from the pass, on your right is Old 
San Marcos Pass Rd, another lightly trafficked alternate that ends at 
Cathedral Oaks Rd.  Turn left (east) on Cathedral Oaks, the right (south) 
on Turnpike Rd (at Tucker's Grove park).  After Turnpike crosses the 101 
freeway & RR tracks, turn left on Hollister (near San Marcos HS) to re-join 
the BPC route.  

dougP  


On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[dougP]

Drew:

I agree with the comments that you are taking too many clothes.  2 t-shirts 
made of a quick dry material are adequate.  One wool LS jersey & one SS 
plus the Ts give you plenty of layering options.  Rain jacket "yes" but 
leave the down at home.  One pair of pants.  I use a cargo net like 
Rivendell sells to hold my stuff on the rear rack, and it is a convenient 
place to put damp laundry that hasn't dried out overnight.  10' of 
clothesline plus a few clothes pins are handy for drying in camp and don't 
take much space.  

Personally I've found multi-tools to be highly over-rated.  Sure, they have 
everything in the world BUT they are inconvenient to use (every tried to 
use the chain breaker on one?).  Go over your own bike & see what it 
needs.  On my Atlantis (a pretty standard Riv build), 3-4 allen keys, a 
small screwdriver, 8 & 10 mm wrenches (Park makes a very thin one) take 
care of most common adjustments.  Trade the crescent wrench for a real 
chain breaker.  I've lugged around a cassette cracker & one each 
replacement spokes and have never used them, but I think that wards off 
broken spokes.  

Where in LA are you ending?  And how are you getting home?  Those points 
could effect your routing at the end.  BPC is based on continuing beyond 
LA, and there are various options if this is your end point.  At the end of 
your trip you'll be tired and interested in making it simple.

dougP

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Esteban]

This is a few years old now, with new products to market -- but here were 
my post-tour thoughts after SF-SB in 2011:

https://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/7-day-tour-what-i-brought/

Don't bring much in terms of clothing. In general, two versions of on-bike 
clothing (2 wool t-shirts, 2 shorts, 2 pair wool socks, with 1 
seersucker/chambray/SPF collared overshirt as the exception), and 1 set of 
off-bike clothes (lightweight pants, camp t-shirt, down jacket, swim 
trunks). The coast will be wet in the morning during the summer, but rain 
is highly unlikely. A small quick-dry camp towel can be hung off the back 
while riding. Honestly, keeping things dry is the challenge, even in 
drought, and especially north of SLO. 

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.


On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[scott]

Get a couple of diaper pins and pin them to your saddle bag. Wash your undies 
and shirts in the shower, wring them out, then pin them to your bag to dry for 
the day. Also, bring three shirts. If they are wool, bring two. Have a great 
ride!

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Bill Lindsay]

Fred from Big Hero 6 has the underwear thing figured out

4 day undies 

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 6:08:09 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Haha, a towel is on the list. don't worry, ive made that mistake before. 
>  see, im fine sleeping on the ground, but my weakness is in wanting 
> something clean to put on when i wake up from riding all day and sleeping 
> on the ground. hence the shirts, which are not a problem on 2 or 3 day 
> rides. i like the idea of minimizing and washing on the way, though i don't 
> know if i can ride with wet clothes on.  maybe a 2 day rotation system so 
> one set has a day to dry... my sweat is not as sweet as yours patrick. 
>

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Deacon Patrick]

Actually, Anne, Colorado has been quite damp, and I've had nothing but rain 
and high humidity on quite a few of my bikepacking trips the last three 
years. So I stand by my no spare approach. Though I would not have 
pre-ventile. The damp is why I've switched from a down sleeping bag to a 
Wiggy system though.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Anne Paulson]

Gear:

Three T-shirts are fine. Do laundry along the way.

Are you bringing sunblock?

You'll need soap for the showers. And quarters.

You didn't list alcohol for the stove.

A light hat with a brim is nice for when the sun is out, and I
definitely recommend a wool hat for evenings.

Riding on the coast is a lot different than riding in dry Colorado.
It's easy for your clothing to dry, if you're in Colorado, but along
the coast things take forever to dry.

Route:

On the first day, take Old San Pedro Mountain Road aka Planet of the
Apes. It's not a road; it's a trail, but very ridable on a touring
bike.

There's an oil spill at Refugio State Beach, north of Santa Barbara.
You have an option to go inland there. Do so. The campgrounds along
the coast are closed anyway because of the spill.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 6:08 PM, drew  wrote:
> Haha, a towel is on the list. don't worry, ive made that mistake before.
> see, im fine sleeping on the ground, but my weakness is in wanting something
> clean to put on when i wake up from riding all day and sleeping on the
> ground. hence the shirts, which are not a problem on 2 or 3 day rides. i
> like the idea of minimizing and washing on the way, though i don't know if i
> can ride with wet clothes on.  maybe a 2 day rotation system so one set has
> a day to dry... my sweat is not as sweet as yours patrick.
>
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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[drew]

Haha, a towel is on the list. don't worry, ive made that mistake before. 
 see, im fine sleeping on the ground, but my weakness is in wanting 
something clean to put on when i wake up from riding all day and sleeping 
on the ground. hence the shirts, which are not a problem on 2 or 3 day 
rides. i like the idea of minimizing and washing on the way, though i don't 
know if i can ride with wet clothes on.  maybe a 2 day rotation system so 
one set has a day to dry... my sweat is not as sweet as yours patrick. 

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Deacon Patrick]

I don't take extra shirts, shorts, or pants. I wear them till I wash them, 
then they dry on me. But eating paleo has the benefit of no BO from grains 
and veggie oils. I'd skip the towel. Two pair underwear and alternate/wash 
as needed. Enjoy! You'll have a blast. Post a tour report and photos when 
you get done!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Bill Lindsay]

My personal secret is to ease into it.  The way I ease into it is an easy 
first day just to Santa Cruz (<90 miles from Daly City BART) and I treat 
myself to a bed at the youth hostel there.  Then the second night I camp at 
Pfeiffer Big Sur.  

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first 
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there 
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im 
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've 
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling 
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be 
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but 
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it. 
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini 
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open 
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler. 
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging 
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel 
>
> camera 
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench 
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt 
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants 
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries 
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list, 
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside 
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what 
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff 
> strapped to their bikes. 
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