Re: [RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Scott Henry]

Evan,
I'd wholeheartedly recommend the Garmin Edge 25
$170 at Nashbar right now
http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_586662_-1___#ReviewHeader

Sounds exactly what you want
Scott

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Evan E.  wrote:

> Hi Everybody:
>
> Because I'm not very good at reading cue sheets or Google-map directions
> while riding, you-all now have me considering a navigation device for the
> first time ever. So, some questions for the group:
>
> Please name a device (whether it's the Garmin Edge 20 or Cateye Urban or
> something similar) that is so simple that a Luddite / technical moron can
> use it for route directions.
>
> - Does this device give audible audio instructions such as "turn right in
> 20 meters," or does it only show "right" or "left" or whatever on its tiny
> screen? If the latter, is the word or symbol on the screen easy to see and
> to follow?
>
> - Can this device easily upload and use cue-sheets / route directions from
> a computer?
>
> - Does this device not require the use of a smartphone?
>
> - Can this device hold a charge for at least eight hours, and preferably
> ten?
>
> I'd love to hear of a super-simple-to-use and relatively inexpensive device
> that can give me accurate and timely instructions on when to turn. Any
> other feature (speed, distance, time, heart rate, map of route traveled for
> boasting purposes) is a bonus.
>
> Your advice, please? Specific product names especially appreciated! And if
> you've outgrown a device because it's too basic for you, you may have a
> buyer in me.
>
> Thanks,
> Evan E. in S.F.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 6:32:39 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Whatever lowest level Garmin (Edge 20 or 25?)has will do everything you
>> want it to and it will do it without having to add sensors or wiresplus
>> you will get gps. They are super simple to use.
>>
>> I use the Garmin 1000 Explore and find it to be great except I've come
>> across a bug when out mountain biking. When sweat hits the touchscreen it
>> will think I'm trying to change that data field and go to a menu of
>> choices. I'm always sweating while mountainbiking and I'm always moving
>> around on the bike so sweat is flying exactly where the garmin sits, so it
>> has been bumming me out. Garmin customer service can't solve the issue.
>> I've been thinking about picking up an Edge 20 or 25 just so I don't need
>> to take the 1000 with me and those have push buttons instead of
>> touchscreens. Plus, they are smaller.
>>
>> I dig data on the road bike, even have a power meter but on the mountain
>> bike not so much. I do like to look at a gps map of where I went though,
>> and garmin saves all that in one convenient place.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:18:51 AM UTC-5, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different
>>> cyclometers (or whatever they are called)
>>> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important)
>>> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
>>> But well built.
>>> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
>>> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>>>
>>> BBOB
>>>
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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[David Person]

I've used the Cateye Strata Wireless for years.  My only complaint is that 
having a light mounted on the handlebar too close to the computer can cause 
it to not function properly.  Guess emf's from the light interferes with 
the wireless signal.


On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 8:18:51 AM UTC-7, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
> But well built. 
> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>
> BBOB
>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Evan E.]

Hi Everybody: 

Because I'm not very good at reading cue sheets or Google-map directions 
while riding, you-all now have me considering a navigation device for the 
first time ever. So, some questions for the group:

Please name a device (whether it's the Garmin Edge 20 or Cateye Urban or 
something similar) that is so simple that a Luddite / technical moron can 
use it for route directions.

- Does this device give audible audio instructions such as "turn right in 
20 meters," or does it only show "right" or "left" or whatever on its tiny 
screen? If the latter, is the word or symbol on the screen easy to see and 
to follow?

- Can this device easily upload and use cue-sheets / route directions from 
a computer?

- Does this device not require the use of a smartphone?

- Can this device hold a charge for at least eight hours, and preferably 
ten?

I'd love to hear of a super-simple-to-use and relatively inexpensive device 
that can give me accurate and timely instructions on when to turn. Any 
other feature (speed, distance, time, heart rate, map of route traveled for 
boasting purposes) is a bonus. 

Your advice, please? Specific product names especially appreciated! And if 
you've outgrown a device because it's too basic for you, you may have a 
buyer in me.

Thanks,
Evan E. in S.F.












On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 6:32:39 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>
> Whatever lowest level Garmin (Edge 20 or 25?)has will do everything you 
> want it to and it will do it without having to add sensors or wiresplus 
> you will get gps. They are super simple to use. 
>
> I use the Garmin 1000 Explore and find it to be great except I've come 
> across a bug when out mountain biking. When sweat hits the touchscreen it 
> will think I'm trying to change that data field and go to a menu of 
> choices. I'm always sweating while mountainbiking and I'm always moving 
> around on the bike so sweat is flying exactly where the garmin sits, so it 
> has been bumming me out. Garmin customer service can't solve the issue. 
> I've been thinking about picking up an Edge 20 or 25 just so I don't need 
> to take the 1000 with me and those have push buttons instead of 
> touchscreens. Plus, they are smaller.
>
> I dig data on the road bike, even have a power meter but on the mountain 
> bike not so much. I do like to look at a gps map of where I went though, 
> and garmin saves all that in one convenient place. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:18:51 AM UTC-5, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
>> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
>> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
>> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
>> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
>> But well built. 
>> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
>> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>>
>> BBOB
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Mark Reimer]

I also use the Garmin 1000 Explore for longer rides and touring, and the 
Strava app on my phone for toodling around. I don't care about the numbers 
for training purposes or pushing myself to go faster, but I do enjoy 
knowing what my mileage was at the end of a long day on tour, seeing how 
much distance I put on one bike vs another, keeping track of how much 
distance a chain/cassette has on it, what my annual mileage is etc. All 
just for interest sake. I used to find that having a computer on my bars 
really hampered my ability to relax and just ride. I'd always be like 
"17km/h??? I need to go faster". It was a buzzkill for sure. I stopped 
using any computer for a while, but missed knowing what my mileage was, so 
I started using the phone app. that solved the issue, as it was always 
stashed out of sight in my pocket. Plus I convinced myself to just stop 
caring about what speed I was going, to let the commuter who flew past me 
go un-chased, etc...

The Garmin 1000 Explore is great for touring as well as it runs off dynamo 
power (not all Garmin's will do that), has decent pre-loaded maps, and lots 
of free maps online you can add on. I used it on the Divide every day and 
it was extremely useful on the trail for navigation, understanding 
elevation profiles for certain areas, etc. 

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 8:32:39 AM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> Whatever lowest level Garmin (Edge 20 or 25?)has will do everything you 
> want it to and it will do it without having to add sensors or wiresplus 
> you will get gps. They are super simple to use. 
>
> I use the Garmin 1000 Explore and find it to be great except I've come 
> across a bug when out mountain biking. When sweat hits the touchscreen it 
> will think I'm trying to change that data field and go to a menu of 
> choices. I'm always sweating while mountainbiking and I'm always moving 
> around on the bike so sweat is flying exactly where the garmin sits, so it 
> has been bumming me out. Garmin customer service can't solve the issue. 
> I've been thinking about picking up an Edge 20 or 25 just so I don't need 
> to take the 1000 with me and those have push buttons instead of 
> touchscreens. Plus, they are smaller.
>
> I dig data on the road bike, even have a power meter but on the mountain 
> bike not so much. I do like to look at a gps map of where I went though, 
> and garmin saves all that in one convenient place. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:18:51 AM UTC-5, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
>> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
>> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
>> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
>> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
>> But well built. 
>> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
>> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>>
>> BBOB
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I use the Cateye Urban on two of my bikes. Speed, distance, time and the 
amount of carbon I didn't put into the air.  Even though I don't own a car, 
I like knowing I saved the planet the insult by not driving. It's wireless 
and has been reliable over the past four years.  Setting up all computers 
can be a pain. Every daylight savings change, I have to pull out the 
instructions on how to change the time. 

Clayton (Bend)

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[RJM]

Whatever lowest level Garmin (Edge 20 or 25?)has will do everything you 
want it to and it will do it without having to add sensors or wiresplus 
you will get gps. They are super simple to use. 

I use the Garmin 1000 Explore and find it to be great except I've come 
across a bug when out mountain biking. When sweat hits the touchscreen it 
will think I'm trying to change that data field and go to a menu of 
choices. I'm always sweating while mountainbiking and I'm always moving 
around on the bike so sweat is flying exactly where the garmin sits, so it 
has been bumming me out. Garmin customer service can't solve the issue. 
I've been thinking about picking up an Edge 20 or 25 just so I don't need 
to take the 1000 with me and those have push buttons instead of 
touchscreens. Plus, they are smaller.

I dig data on the road bike, even have a power meter but on the mountain 
bike not so much. I do like to look at a gps map of where I went though, 
and garmin saves all that in one convenient place. 

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:18:51 AM UTC-5, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:

> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
> But well built. 
> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>
> BBOB
>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

GPS units are hard to beat.  No wires.  No calibration.  Just turn it on, 
wait for it to acquire a signal and then go.  I use what is probably the 
lowest level Garmin and I upload my rides to Strava.  Sometimes I use it, 
sometimes I don't.  It's nice to occasionally have a barometer of your 
speed, distance, etc...




On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:18:51 AM UTC-5, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
> But well built. 
> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>
> BBOB
>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Deacon Patrick]

Good ol' map and compass work well for this too, though require a bit more 
mindfulness. And if a phone has GPS and an offline map (I use topomaps), 
location is found in 30 s. just by turning off airplane mode, no matter how 
remote you are. So far I've used this five times, and needed it only two of 
those, and that since 2012 doing tours on great divide MTB trail, 
continental divide trail, and Colorado Trail, all of which have some 
significant head scratchers (usually of the "I know where I am, but where 
do I go from here" variety).

With abandon,
Patrick

But again, its nice when touring, especially in remote areas with no cell 
> service, when you're trying to find your way on countryoads and you need to 
> know how far you've gone so that you can be looking out for that unmarked 
> right turn you're supposed to make...
>
> :-)
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 9:07:14 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I use the simplest one possible. None.
>>
>> Ask yourself: what do I REALLY need to know as I ride? Does it truly 
>> matter to me that I see my speed? My average? Does any of that information 
>> help me enjoy the ride? Or does it have me riding to the numbers? Pushing 
>> myself instead of "just riding"?
>>
>> The reality is that if you don't use a computer, you can still track 
>> basic info like distance and time (and thus average speed) with a clock and 
>> basic map. If you have a smart phone, or watch, you can track those in a 
>> general way on the ride.
>>
>> I find technology is WAY overrated and am far happier riding without the 
>> numbers in my face.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 9:18:51 AM UTC-6, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
>>> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
>>> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
>>> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
>>> But well built. 
>>> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
>>> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>>>
>>> BBOB
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Gum N Nuts]

I too am curious about this, I typically just use strava on my phone which 
is mostly fine if I'm going to end up at home at the end of the ride. I 
realize it has a poor reputation for encouraging roadies to act rudely on 
the path to beat certain times but I just use it for keeping track of my 
miles traveled for most of the riding I do. It can eat up the battery on 
longer rides (I use a dynamo hub / luxos u to mitigate this) and it's 
pretty inconvenient on tour outside the most ideal circumstances even with 
the dynamo. Do most people use some kind of accessory gps like a garmin 
when they want to track such infos?

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 8:18:51 AM UTC-7, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
> But well built. 
> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>
> BBOB
>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Hunter Ellis]

I find that they're helpful when touring, and I've used a wireless Cateye 
Padrone for the last 400 miles. It has huge numbers and all the good 
features like: time (like the actual time it is in the world), total 
distance, MPH, odometer, and time elapsed. Time elapsed and odometer are 
not really necessary, but the large, easily readable numbers are nice. It 
attached to the stem instead of the handlebars, which I like, and you just 
press on the entire unit to change display/function.

The only trouble I've had is it will sometimes reset itself, deleting your 
current ride time and distance. I think I'm doing something wrong--it 
usually does that if I'm stopped at a stoplight/etc for a long time. But if 
that happens, its a good lesson in the impermanence of things and also the 
fact that, like Deacon says, it doesn't really matter in the end.

But again, its nice when touring, especially in remote areas with no cell 
service, when you're trying to find your way on countryoads and you need to 
know how far you've gone so that you can be looking out for that unmarked 
right turn you're supposed to make...

:-)

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 9:07:14 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I use the simplest one possible. None.
>
> Ask yourself: what do I REALLY need to know as I ride? Does it truly 
> matter to me that I see my speed? My average? Does any of that information 
> help me enjoy the ride? Or does it have me riding to the numbers? Pushing 
> myself instead of "just riding"?
>
> The reality is that if you don't use a computer, you can still track basic 
> info like distance and time (and thus average speed) with a clock and basic 
> map. If you have a smart phone, or watch, you can track those in a general 
> way on the ride.
>
> I find technology is WAY overrated and am far happier riding without the 
> numbers in my face.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 9:18:51 AM UTC-6, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>>
>> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
>> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
>> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
>> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
>> But well built. 
>> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
>> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>>
>> BBOB
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Eric Karnes]

Totally agree! In my experience, the two best up(down?)grades I ever made 
to my bike were:

1. Ditching the cyclocomputer
2. Ditching the clipless pedals

That said, If you're training, want to track a fitness progress, etc., I 
totally get it. And I have a lot of friends who use them. If you can live 
without a wireless, I have an old CatEye that I'll likely never use again. 
It's yours if you cover the shipping.

Eric



On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I use the simplest one possible. None.
>
> Ask yourself: what do I REALLY need to know as I ride? Does it truly 
> matter to me that I see my speed? My average? Does any of that information 
> help me enjoy the ride? Or does it have me riding to the numbers? Pushing 
> myself instead of "just riding"?
>
> The reality is that if you don't use a computer, you can still track basic 
> info like distance and time (and thus average speed) with a clock and basic 
> map. If you have a smart phone, or watch, you can track those in a general 
> way on the ride.
>
> I find technology is WAY overrated and am far happier riding without the 
> numbers in my face.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 9:18:51 AM UTC-6, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>>
>> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
>> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
>> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
>> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
>> But well built. 
>> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
>> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>>
>> BBOB
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Garth]

 

 






   





ahahaahahha . the difference between "science/practicality" and 
"zen/religion" or whatever you want to call them, is nothing, absolutely 
nothing !

   Both nonsense !

  "Oh wait ... but I'm different !"

   Uhhh, why yes, you are , just live everyone else is "different" !  All 
the same "different" . ahahahahahah !  





On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 3:05:09 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote

I thought it was one of these:
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Deacon Patrick]

Only when I'm roamin'. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 1:05:09 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I thought it was one of these:
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Here's a close-up of my cycling computer:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/27882258535/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:07:14 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I use the simplest one possible. None.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[sameness]

That one looks a bit buggy.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Here's a close-up of my cycling computer:
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/27882258535/in/dateposted-public/
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> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Deacon Patrick]

Here's a close-up of my cycling computer:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/27882258535/in/dateposted-public/

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On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:07:14 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> I use the simplest one possible. None.
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[RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Deacon Patrick]

I use the simplest one possible. None.

Ask yourself: what do I REALLY need to know as I ride? Does it truly matter 
to me that I see my speed? My average? Does any of that information help me 
enjoy the ride? Or does it have me riding to the numbers? Pushing myself 
instead of "just riding"?

The reality is that if you don't use a computer, you can still track basic 
info like distance and time (and thus average speed) with a clock and basic 
map. If you have a smart phone, or watch, you can track those in a general 
way on the ride.

I find technology is WAY overrated and am far happier riding without the 
numbers in my face.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 9:18:51 AM UTC-6, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
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> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different 
> cyclometers (or whatever they are called) 
> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important) 
> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
> But well built. 
> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
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> BBOB
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