Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-08-01 Thread Addison Wilhite
The trip detailed in that link (Portland to close to Reno) was 10 days
including a 1.5 rest stop in Ashland to see Hamlet and drink beer.  I wish
I knew exactly the route we took from Portland to hit the ACA route.  It
was lightly used highways that were spectacular.  We camped the first night
next to a stream with amazing canopy.


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On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Kurt Manley kurtaman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Addison, how long di what you did take you?


 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop
 and explore and would love to fish along the way.

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus
 that won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear
 from you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-08-01 Thread Robert Kirkpatrick
Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area and 
stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist? Was 
reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which it's 
looking like I will) is it easier? How about tickets to the plays? I haven't 
been to Ashland since the late 80s and it was always busy then, can't imagine 
it's any easier.

Thanks,
Robert

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-08-01 Thread Shawn Granton


On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:36:57 AM UTC-7, SpiralCage wrote:

 Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area 
 and stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist? 
 Was reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which 
 it's looking like I will) is it easier? How about tickets to the plays? I 
 haven't been to Ashland since the late 80s and it was always busy then, 
 can't imagine it's any easier. 

 Thanks, 
 Robert 

 Sent from my iPad


There is the Ashland Hostel:
http://www.theashlandhostel.com/rooms-rates.html
Looks like they are currently booked through the weekend, but may have 
availability during the week. I'd give 'em a ring. (541) 482- 9217
-Shawn

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-08-01 Thread Shawn Granton
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back...If I get off at Dunsmuir...


I know this is a bit of a moot point now since Kurt is going to do a car 
rental, but for anyone else thinking about using Amtrak (Coast Starlight) 
for a tour in this area: Currently all bikes must be boxed and can only 
board/unboard at a station with baggage service. Dunsmuir doesn't have 
baggage. North of Sacramento the first stop to have baggage service is 
Klamath Falls, then Eugene.
-Shawn 

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-08-01 Thread Anne Paulson
I've been happy staying at Oak Street Station BB. I've stayed there three
times now, and always felt welcomed and fed. I just happened on it the
first time; I arrived in Ashland looking for a place to stay, got a
recommendation from the lodging recommendation place, called up Oak Street
Station, and they said, I'm just baking cookies, what kind would you
like?

Sue and John, the proprietors, are also good about play recommendations.
When I follow their recommendations, I like the plays. The one time I saw a
play they didn't think too highly of, I didn't like it much either.

They are perfectly happy to host touring cyclists, and they give you indoor
storage for the bike.

http://oakstreetstation.com/




On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Robert Kirkpatrick spiralc...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area
 and stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist?
 Was reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which
 it's looking like I will) is it easier? How about tickets to the plays? I
 haven't been to Ashland since the late 80s and it was always busy then,
 can't imagine it's any easier.

 Thanks,
 Robert

 Sent from my iPad

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Jim M.
The train is cool but Greyhound will take you from Oakland to Eureka. There 
are many ways to ride from Eureka back to Oakland, including touring 
through the Lost Coast area. 

jim m
wc ca

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Bunik
Two thoughts/questions - completely unsubstantiated!

1) does Amtrak offer boxed bikes (or better, roll-on) service through
to Dunsmuir (where, when running on the advertised, you'll arrive in
the middle of night)?

2) I've heard Amtrak offers bus connections (w/ through-checked
luggage i.e. bike box!), I think all the way up the 101 / Redwood
Highway. If I understand correctly, some / a short train connection is
all that's requires - e.g. Jack London Square to Emeryville.

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 7/31/14, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 The train is cool but Greyhound will take you from Oakland to Eureka. There

 are many ways to ride from Eureka back to Oakland, including touring
 through the Lost Coast area.

 jim m
 wc ca

 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in

 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon

 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the
 train
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to
 stop
 and explore and would love to fish along the way.

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding
 time
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that

 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from

 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Schiller
not sure where you are starting but I drove to SF, left my car, and rented 
a car one-way to the Arcata Airport.  I then rode thru the Redwoods and 
back to my car 5 days later.  Avg was 70 per day.

~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Addison Wilhite
I would just second the idea of one way car rentals which can often get you
exactly where and when you want to start and are pretty reasonable compared
to Amtrak.  I love the romantic notion of the train/bus thing but sometimes
if you are on a schedule a rental car saves so much in the way of
headaches.


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On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
wrote:

 not sure where you are starting but I drove to SF, left my car, and rented
 a car one-way to the Arcata Airport.  I then rode thru the Redwoods and
 back to my car 5 days later.  Avg was 70 per day.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka 
to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small 
detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during 
the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that 
hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of 
opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.  

Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not. 

For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop 
opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish 
-- then south-ish.

But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

Peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Anne Paulson
If you're contemplating doing the dirt part of the Lost Coast, pay
attention to water. I'm pretty sure there is no water to be had south of
Wailaki campground, until you get to Westport: no faucets, no creeks.  At
this time of year, with this drought, Usal Beach probably has no water
other than sea water.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:35 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka
 to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small
 detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during
 the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that
 hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of
 opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.

 Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not.

 For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop
 opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish
 -- then south-ish.

 But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

 Peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Bunik
Amtrak bus connection to Eureka:
http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Pagecode=EKA

On 7/31/14, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
 Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka
 to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small
 detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during
 the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that
 hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of
 opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.

 Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not.

 For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop
 opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish
 -- then south-ish.

 But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

 Peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Bunik
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=ax9Unpage_id=164570v=I3

http://www.amtrak.com/california-train-bus-stations

=- Joe Bunik
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On 7/31/14, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Amtrak bus connection to Eureka:
 http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Pagecode=EKA

 On 7/31/14, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 wrote:
 Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka
 to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small
 detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during
 the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that
 hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of
 opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.

 Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not.

 For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop
 opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish
 -- then south-ish.

 But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

 Peter

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread dougP
Kurt:

For a week, either Eurika / Arcata to the Bay Area or the Oregon coast.  
But they're each a week at a touring pace.  I've done both  feel that 
section of the northern California coast is more interesting than Oregon.  
Maybe because on my Oregon trips that was toward the end.  Their both well 
worth doing.  Oregon actually has better camping options as they have more 
state facilities with hiker-biker sites.  NorCal is pretty un-populated 
(part of the draw) but not as extensive camping options.  Lots of big trees 
provide plenty of cover if you need to be creative.

Mike's one-way car suggestion is the easiest logistics provided you can get 
a decent rate.  One-ways are dependent on the car agency's need to get 
surplus cars from one place to another, usually between airports.  The 
airport at Eureka is small so not as many agency options.  But check it 
out.  I've done lots of one-ways and you have to make lots of phone calls 
to get the best deal.  

Bus service will mean boxing your bike on Greyhound.  Amtrak is a lot more 
flexible.  They have a policy that says bikes be boxed.  But I've seen 
people talk to the driver  wind up stuffing their bikes into the luggage 
bin after all the other luggage is loaded.  A bit of a crap shoot.  Up to 
the driver and today's load.  Any time near the start of classes at 
Humboldt State they'll be busy.

The time I used Greyhound we left Oakland mid to late afternoon,  arrived 
in Arcata near midnight.  We knew that going in, so no surprise.  We kinda 
forget how much of California there is north of the Bay Area.  IIRC it's 
around 300 miles  Greyhound stops a lot.  You meet some interesting 
characters on Greyhound.  

dougP

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:40:45 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 If you're contemplating doing the dirt part of the Lost Coast, pay 
 attention to water. I'm pretty sure there is no water to be had south of 
 Wailaki campground, until you get to Westport: no faucets, no creeks.It 
 isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.


Good to hear from someone who actually knows what she is talking 
about.  :-)  Southbound at Ferndale, I agonized over whether or not to add 
Mattole Road to my day.  I suspect I might have found that I had bitten off 
more than I wanted to chew. On the other hand, I was only considering the 
northern part of the Lost Coast area, Petrolia - Honeydew.

~pb 

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Anne Paulson
The Unknown Coast (Mattole Road to Honeydew, then over Panther Gap) is
fantastic. And there is water at Honeydew, and AW Way is a good campground
that has water.  The route is steep, but I highly recommend that loop.

I still have not done the Lost Coast. I planned to do it last September. I
called the rangers about water, and was told there was no water at Usal
Beach. My friend and I were going to do it anyway, and carry water, but
then when we got to Eureka it started raining and raining and raining.
Water wouldn't have been a problem any more, but we were warned that we'd
find the roads impassable in the mud.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 5:25 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:40:45 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 If you're contemplating doing the dirt part of the Lost Coast, pay
 attention to water. I'm pretty sure there is no water to be had south of
 Wailaki campground, until you get to Westport: no faucets, no creeks.It
 isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.


 Good to hear from someone who actually knows what she is talking
 about.  :-)  Southbound at Ferndale, I agonized over whether or not to add
 Mattole Road to my day.  I suspect I might have found that I had bitten off
 more than I wanted to chew. On the other hand, I was only considering the
 northern part of the Lost Coast area, Petrolia - Honeydew.

 ~pb

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Kurt Manley
Anne, I'm looking into some routes from that area. Thanks! Micheal, I just 
put an ad on craigslist looking for a ride, thank you!

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Kurt Manley
Addison, how long di what you did take you?

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Kurt Manley
So much good info here! I had not thought of one way car rental. That might 
be the ticket. I put a rideshare ad on craigslist, we will see what 
happens. Gabe messaged me off the list and said it's likely I wouldn't be 
able to offload my bike from the train in Dunsmuir as there is no luggage 
ramp there. 

Thanks so much for all the advice!!! Super helpful, please keep it coming.



On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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