Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Hugh Smitham]

Yeah I guess we just missed the Appaloosa shipment this year :(


On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:34:00 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu 
wrote:

>
> Bummer!  I'm beginning to feel the need for an Appaloosa again.
> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 11:04:57 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Update from 9/13/21 Riv Newsletter:
>>
>> Clem L Completes 99 bikes: Shipping late September - delivery mid to late 
>> October. There's not enough room in the container to fit the 47.5 and 51cm 
>> Homers.
>>
>> Homers in 47.5 through 64cm 146 frames: Shipping from Taiwan the second 
>> week of October - delivery early to mid November.
>>
>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> That's the one I was looking for! Thanks Mathieu!
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good morning Tim, 

 The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 

 I’ve attached the body of the email below 

 Early AugustI wrote in an earlier update about how our production is 
 shaping up for next year and how it's looking like we're going to have a 
 repeat of this year with many of our frame orders placed over a year ago 
 getting pushed all the way to 2023.

 The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion 
 and hope that our people in Taiwan are doing what we* try *to do here 
 (it doesn't always work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or 
 maybe they're just preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it 
 won't end up being that bad. I'm allowed to hope!

 Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June 
 each for 1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the 
 first 
 order is July 2023, and the second order is March 202*4.* How could 
 that be? Do they really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to 
 wrap 
 my head around it.

 If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less 
 than half of what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, 
 reduced dealer sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off 
 employees, reducing hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.

 That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some 
 entries from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The 
 problems then were absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of 
 out-of-business 
 for years. If you feel like it, you can read through some of those in the 
 early 
 Readers here 
 ,
  
 but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
 momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're 
 doing 
 OK.

 Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They 
 don't account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez 
 Canal type jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the 
 day 
 we receive the container. If we're still working on the shipment that came 
 before, we'll wait awhile before making them available to buy. All these 
 dates below can change and sometimes drastically.

 *Clem L framesets, 45 frames*: delivery is imminent, like next week.

 *Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in early 
 September - delivery mid to late the same month.

 *Clem L Completes 99 bikes: *Shipping with the small Homers above.

 *Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan 
 in early October - delivery mid to late the same month.

 *Gus and Susie - 130 frames: *Shipping sometime in November, arrival 
 early December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.

 *Rosco Platypus: *Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.

 That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:

 *Atlantis - 150 frames: *Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with 
 arrival late that month or early the next.

 *Platypus - 226 frames: *Delivery in March.

 *Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: *Delivery in April.

 The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have 
 been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can 
 get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll 
 try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on 
 Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.

 We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:

 *Jim Rear Rack: *Delivery in early October.

 *Slim Jim Goat Gloves: *Late this month

 *Microshift front derailers: *Late this 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Bummer!  I'm beginning to feel the need for an Appaloosa again.
On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 11:04:57 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Update from 9/13/21 Riv Newsletter:
>
> Clem L Completes 99 bikes: Shipping late September - delivery mid to late 
> October. There's not enough room in the container to fit the 47.5 and 51cm 
> Homers.
>
> Homers in 47.5 through 64cm 146 frames: Shipping from Taiwan the second 
> week of October - delivery early to mid November.
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> That's the one I was looking for! Thanks Mathieu!
>>
>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning Tim, 
>>>
>>> The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 
>>>
>>> I’ve attached the body of the email below 
>>>
>>> Early AugustI wrote in an earlier update about how our production is 
>>> shaping up for next year and how it's looking like we're going to have a 
>>> repeat of this year with many of our frame orders placed over a year ago 
>>> getting pushed all the way to 2023.
>>>
>>> The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion 
>>> and hope that our people in Taiwan are doing what we* try *to do here 
>>> (it doesn't always work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or 
>>> maybe they're just preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it 
>>> won't end up being that bad. I'm allowed to hope!
>>>
>>> Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June 
>>> each for 1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the first 
>>> order is July 2023, and the second order is March 202*4.* How could 
>>> that be? Do they really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to wrap 
>>> my head around it.
>>>
>>> If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less than 
>>> half of what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, 
>>> reduced dealer sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off 
>>> employees, reducing hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.
>>>
>>> That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some 
>>> entries from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The 
>>> problems then were absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of out-of-business 
>>> for years. If you feel like it, you can read through some of those in the 
>>> early 
>>> Readers here 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
>>> momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're doing 
>>> OK.
>>>
>>> Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They 
>>> don't account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez 
>>> Canal type jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the day 
>>> we receive the container. If we're still working on the shipment that came 
>>> before, we'll wait awhile before making them available to buy. All these 
>>> dates below can change and sometimes drastically.
>>>
>>> *Clem L framesets, 45 frames*: delivery is imminent, like next week.
>>>
>>> *Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in early 
>>> September - delivery mid to late the same month.
>>>
>>> *Clem L Completes 99 bikes: *Shipping with the small Homers above.
>>>
>>> *Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in 
>>> early October - delivery mid to late the same month.
>>>
>>> *Gus and Susie - 130 frames: *Shipping sometime in November, arrival 
>>> early December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.
>>>
>>> *Rosco Platypus: *Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.
>>>
>>> That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:
>>>
>>> *Atlantis - 150 frames: *Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with 
>>> arrival late that month or early the next.
>>>
>>> *Platypus - 226 frames: *Delivery in March.
>>>
>>> *Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: *Delivery in April.
>>>
>>> The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have 
>>> been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can 
>>> get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll 
>>> try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on 
>>> Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.
>>>
>>> We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:
>>>
>>> *Jim Rear Rack: *Delivery in early October.
>>>
>>> *Slim Jim Goat Gloves: *Late this month
>>>
>>> *Microshift front derailers: *Late this month - these will work on all 
>>> our bikes.
>>>
>>> *Microshift thumbies: *Sometime in September.
>>>
>>> *Silver2 Thumb mounts: *Late this month - the shifters are in stock now.
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the latest inbound 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Joe Bernard]

Update from 9/13/21 Riv Newsletter:

Clem L Completes 99 bikes: Shipping late September - delivery mid to late 
October. There's not enough room in the container to fit the 47.5 and 51cm 
Homers.

Homers in 47.5 through 64cm 146 frames: Shipping from Taiwan the second 
week of October - delivery early to mid November.

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> That's the one I was looking for! Thanks Mathieu!
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning Tim, 
>>
>> The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 
>>
>> I’ve attached the body of the email below 
>>
>> Early AugustI wrote in an earlier update about how our production is 
>> shaping up for next year and how it's looking like we're going to have a 
>> repeat of this year with many of our frame orders placed over a year ago 
>> getting pushed all the way to 2023.
>>
>> The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion and 
>> hope that our people in Taiwan are doing what we* try *to do here (it 
>> doesn't always work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or maybe 
>> they're just preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it won't end 
>> up being that bad. I'm allowed to hope!
>>
>> Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June each 
>> for 1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the first 
>> order is July 2023, and the second order is March 202*4.* How could that 
>> be? Do they really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to wrap my 
>> head around it.
>>
>> If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less than 
>> half of what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, 
>> reduced dealer sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off 
>> employees, reducing hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.
>>
>> That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some 
>> entries from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The 
>> problems then were absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of out-of-business 
>> for years. If you feel like it, you can read through some of those in the 
>> early 
>> Readers here 
>> ,
>>  
>> but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
>> momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're doing 
>> OK.
>>
>> Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They 
>> don't account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez 
>> Canal type jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the day 
>> we receive the container. If we're still working on the shipment that came 
>> before, we'll wait awhile before making them available to buy. All these 
>> dates below can change and sometimes drastically.
>>
>> *Clem L framesets, 45 frames*: delivery is imminent, like next week.
>>
>> *Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in early 
>> September - delivery mid to late the same month.
>>
>> *Clem L Completes 99 bikes: *Shipping with the small Homers above.
>>
>> *Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in 
>> early October - delivery mid to late the same month.
>>
>> *Gus and Susie - 130 frames: *Shipping sometime in November, arrival 
>> early December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.
>>
>> *Rosco Platypus: *Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.
>>
>> That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:
>>
>> *Atlantis - 150 frames: *Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with 
>> arrival late that month or early the next.
>>
>> *Platypus - 226 frames: *Delivery in March.
>>
>> *Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: *Delivery in April.
>>
>> The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have 
>> been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can 
>> get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll 
>> try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on 
>> Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.
>>
>> We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:
>>
>> *Jim Rear Rack: *Delivery in early October.
>>
>> *Slim Jim Goat Gloves: *Late this month
>>
>> *Microshift front derailers: *Late this month - these will work on all 
>> our bikes.
>>
>> *Microshift thumbies: *Sometime in September.
>>
>> *Silver2 Thumb mounts: *Late this month - the shifters are in stock now.
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have the latest inbound frame schedule? I couldn't find the 
>> latest on this. I thought Will had sent an email but I couldn't locate it. 
>> Given the current supply challenges I realize that anything published is 
>> best guess. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Tim Bantham]

That's the one I was looking for! Thanks Mathieu!

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning Tim, 
>
> The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 
>
> I’ve attached the body of the email below 
>
> Early AugustI wrote in an earlier update about how our production is 
> shaping up for next year and how it's looking like we're going to have a 
> repeat of this year with many of our frame orders placed over a year ago 
> getting pushed all the way to 2023.
>
> The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion and 
> hope that our people in Taiwan are doing what we* try *to do here (it 
> doesn't always work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or maybe 
> they're just preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it won't end 
> up being that bad. I'm allowed to hope!
>
> Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June each 
> for 1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the first 
> order is July 2023, and the second order is March 202*4.* How could that 
> be? Do they really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to wrap my 
> head around it.
>
> If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less than 
> half of what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, 
> reduced dealer sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off 
> employees, reducing hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.
>
> That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some 
> entries from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The 
> problems then were absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of out-of-business 
> for years. If you feel like it, you can read through some of those in the 
> early 
> Readers here 
> ,
>  
> but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
> momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're doing 
> OK.
>
> Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They 
> don't account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez 
> Canal type jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the day 
> we receive the container. If we're still working on the shipment that came 
> before, we'll wait awhile before making them available to buy. All these 
> dates below can change and sometimes drastically.
>
> *Clem L framesets, 45 frames*: delivery is imminent, like next week.
>
> *Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in early 
> September - delivery mid to late the same month.
>
> *Clem L Completes 99 bikes: *Shipping with the small Homers above.
>
> *Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in 
> early October - delivery mid to late the same month.
>
> *Gus and Susie - 130 frames: *Shipping sometime in November, arrival 
> early December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.
>
> *Rosco Platypus: *Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.
>
> That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:
>
> *Atlantis - 150 frames: *Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with 
> arrival late that month or early the next.
>
> *Platypus - 226 frames: *Delivery in March.
>
> *Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: *Delivery in April.
>
> The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have 
> been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can 
> get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll 
> try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on 
> Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.
>
> We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:
>
> *Jim Rear Rack: *Delivery in early October.
>
> *Slim Jim Goat Gloves: *Late this month
>
> *Microshift front derailers: *Late this month - these will work on all 
> our bikes.
>
> *Microshift thumbies: *Sometime in September.
>
> *Silver2 Thumb mounts: *Late this month - the shifters are in stock now.
>
> On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have the latest inbound frame schedule? I couldn't find the 
> latest on this. I thought Will had sent an email but I couldn't locate it. 
> Given the current supply challenges I realize that anything published is 
> best guess. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Mathieu Brown]

Good morning Tim, 

The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 

I’ve attached the body of the email below 

Early August
I wrote in an earlier update about how our production is shaping up for next 
year and how it's looking like we're going to have a repeat of this year with 
many of our frame orders placed over a year ago getting pushed all the way to 
2023.

The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion and hope 
that our people in Taiwan are doing what we try to do here (it doesn't always 
work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or maybe they're just 
preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it won't end up being that 
bad. I'm allowed to hope!

Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June each for 
1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the first order is 
July 2023, and the second order is March 2024. How could that be? Do they 
really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to wrap my head around it.

If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less than half of 
what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, reduced dealer 
sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off employees, reducing 
hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.

That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some entries 
from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The problems then were 
absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of out-of-business for years. If you feel 
like it, you can read through some of those in the early Readers here 
,
 but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're doing OK.

Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They don't 
account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez Canal type 
jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the day we receive the 
container. If we're still working on the shipment that came before, we'll wait 
awhile before making them available to buy. All these dates below can change 
and sometimes drastically.

Clem L framesets, 45 frames: delivery is imminent, like next week.

Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: Shipping from Taiwan in early September - 
delivery mid to late the same month.

Clem L Completes 99 bikes: Shipping with the small Homers above.

Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: Shipping from Taiwan in early 
October - delivery mid to late the same month.

Gus and Susie - 130 frames: Shipping sometime in November, arrival early 
December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.

Rosco Platypus: Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.

That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:

Atlantis - 150 frames: Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with arrival late 
that month or early the next.

Platypus - 226 frames: Delivery in March.

Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: Delivery in April.

The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have been 
pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can get from 
our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll try their 
hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on Roadunos, Roadinis, 
and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.

We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:

Jim Rear Rack: Delivery in early October.

Slim Jim Goat Gloves: Late this month

Microshift front derailers: Late this month - these will work on all our bikes.

Microshift thumbies: Sometime in September.

Silver2 Thumb mounts: Late this month - the shifters are in stock now.

> On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have the latest inbound frame schedule? I couldn't find the 
> latest on this. I thought Will had sent an email but I couldn't locate it. 
> Given the current supply challenges I realize that anything published is best 
> guess. 
> 
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[RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Tim Bantham]

Does anyone have the latest inbound frame schedule? I couldn't find the 
latest on this. I thought Will had sent an email but I couldn't locate it. 
Given the current supply challenges I realize that anything published is 
best guess. 

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