Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

Idle curiosity: that's fair.  My executive summary on that front would 
start with you asking a different question:

If Patrick Moore asked: "Do y'all think I should experiment with tubulars 
on "*that Libertas"*?"
then I would answer: "No, I don't think Patrick Moore should experiment 
with tubulars on *that Libertas.*  They are not objectively "way faster" or 
"way smoother" than the best modern clinchers" 

What Patrick Moore actually asked in the initial response was two-fold:
Is it true that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent 
tubulars? I believe that they can
With tubes or only tubeless?  I believe with tubes and without sealant is 
currently considered "the fastest".

I could write many pages about my story of sew up use over the last 40 
years, but I'll cut to the chase that my use of sew ups today in 2024 is 
purely because it's cool.  I've got three sew up wheel sets in my garage at 
the moment, ready to be put into action.  Even the new pink Roadeo has a 
sew up option.  Sew ups on a cyclocross race build is just cool.  It's not 
better.  It's not faster.  It's just cool.  The particular reason I put sew 
ups on my Legolas was practical:  I was building my Roadeo, experimented 
with a wheel set which was supposed to generate better braking, which 
instead generated horrible braking.  I could "fix" the Roadeo by inheriting 
the clincher wheels from the Legolas.  I found cyclocross sew ups on eBay 
for crazy cheap.  So the Legolas became more cool (in my eyes) and the 
Roadeo was permitted to become a bicycle.  I've only ridden the Legolas ~20 
miles on pavement since the sew ups went on.  It's the same bike, only 
cooler.  

I do not think Patrick Moore's cycling life would be enhanced by 
experimenting with sew ups, unless Patrick Moore decided to consider sew 
ups "cool".  I do not believe there is any objective case to be made to 
prove to Patrick Moore that he must try sew ups.  Not speed, not comfort. 
 The physical act of glueing on a tire is a maneuver that I suspect Patrick 
Moore would find frustrating.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:49:03 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yeah, Bill is always mean to me; I'm used to it.
>
> Bill: Idle curiosity, that's all. I read Jan Heine somewhere saying that 
> very good modern clinchers are actually faster than good tubulars and I 
> wondered if anyone has ridden both and can compare them from personal 
> experience. There was a time when I toyed with the idea of trying tubulars, 
> perhaps on that very Libertas, but I'm so happy with the great clinchers 
> from Schwalbe and RH and Soma that I really don't have much motivation to 
> do that.
>
> Libertas: Still need to take it to my brother's house to get a better idea 
> of how fat a tire it will take in the different diameters.The frame is no 
> good to me for the use I'd last planned for it -- an allrounder beater that 
> can ride on the firmer (= shallower sand) ditchbank roads, which requires a 
> minimum of 38 mm and better 42. The frame cannot take 622X38s in front or 
> rear; it won't take 559 X 50s, and I have to figure out if it will take 584 
> X 42s or even 38s. 
>
> I may do a little impromptu vise-work on the inside of the rear stays  
>  we'll see.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
>> context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  
>>
>> Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
>> generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
>> that's perfectly OK
>> Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
>> into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
>> Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
>> is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
>> fine.
>> Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
>> and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
>> Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 
>> 5-year-long narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in 
>> his possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I 
>> excitedly asked about that.  
>>
>> I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, 
>> and could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe 
>> you picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore 
>> and I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have 

Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[exliontamer]

I was reading it as attacking a stranger for their curiosity. Definitely 
wasn't aware of the friendship so sincere apologies for casting aspersions.

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yeah, Bill is always mean to me; I'm used to it.
>
> Bill: Idle curiosity, that's all. I read Jan Heine somewhere saying that 
> very good modern clinchers are actually faster than good tubulars and I 
> wondered if anyone has ridden both and can compare them from personal 
> experience. There was a time when I toyed with the idea of trying tubulars, 
> perhaps on that very Libertas, but I'm so happy with the great clinchers 
> from Schwalbe and RH and Soma that I really don't have much motivation to 
> do that.
>
> Libertas: Still need to take it to my brother's house to get a better idea 
> of how fat a tire it will take in the different diameters.The frame is no 
> good to me for the use I'd last planned for it -- an allrounder beater that 
> can ride on the firmer (= shallower sand) ditchbank roads, which requires a 
> minimum of 38 mm and better 42. The frame cannot take 622X38s in front or 
> rear; it won't take 559 X 50s, and I have to figure out if it will take 584 
> X 42s or even 38s. 
>
> I may do a little impromptu vise-work on the inside of the rear stays  
>  we'll see.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
>> context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  
>>
>> Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
>> generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
>> that's perfectly OK
>> Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
>> into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
>> Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
>> is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
>> fine.
>> Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
>> and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
>> Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 
>> 5-year-long narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in 
>> his possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I 
>> excitedly asked about that.  
>>
>> I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, 
>> and could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe 
>> you picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore 
>> and I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something 
 to read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum 
 later?  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some 
 practical application that you are personally considering?  Are you 
 thinking about setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and 
> "feel" of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it 
> true that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent 
> tubulars? 
> With tubes or only tubeless?
>
>
> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR 
> list.
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
>> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that 
>> they run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell 
>> with 
>> sew-ups!  
>>
>> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, 
>> but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up. 
>>  
>> No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using 
>> it 
>> for rides of that kind.  
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Patrick Moore]

Yeah, Bill is always mean to me; I'm used to it.

Bill: Idle curiosity, that's all. I read Jan Heine somewhere saying that
very good modern clinchers are actually faster than good tubulars and I
wondered if anyone has ridden both and can compare them from personal
experience. There was a time when I toyed with the idea of trying tubulars,
perhaps on that very Libertas, but I'm so happy with the great clinchers
from Schwalbe and RH and Soma that I really don't have much motivation to
do that.

Libertas: Still need to take it to my brother's house to get a better idea
of how fat a tire it will take in the different diameters.The frame is no
good to me for the use I'd last planned for it -- an allrounder beater that
can ride on the firmer (= shallower sand) ditchbank roads, which requires a
minimum of 38 mm and better 42. The frame cannot take 622X38s in front or
rear; it won't take 559 X 50s, and I have to figure out if it will take 584
X 42s or even 38s.

I may do a little impromptu vise-work on the inside of the rear stays 
 we'll see.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the
> context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.
>
> Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that
> generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and
> that's perfectly OK
> Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it
> into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
> Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there
> is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also
> fine.
> Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon,
> and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
> Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 5-year-long
> narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in his
> possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I excitedly
> asked about that.
>
> I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives,
> and could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe
> you picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore
> and I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to
>>> read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum
>>> later?  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some
>>> practical application that you are personally considering?  Are you
>>> thinking about setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and
 "feel" of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it
 true that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars?
 With tubes or only tubeless?


 * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR
 list.

 On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that
> they run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with
> sew-ups!
>
> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike,
> but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.
> No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it
> for rides of that kind.
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  

Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
that's perfectly OK
Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
fine.
Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 5-year-long 
narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in his 
possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I excitedly 
asked about that.  

I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, and 
could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe you 
picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore and 
I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to 
>> read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum later? 
>>  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some practical 
>> application that you are personally considering?  Are you thinking about 
>> setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and "feel" 
>>> of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it true 
>>> that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars? With 
>>> tubes or only tubeless?
>>>
>>>
>>> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR 
>>> list.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that 
 they run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
 sew-ups!  

 Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, 
 but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  
 No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it 
 for rides of that kind.  

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[exliontamer]

That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to 
> read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum later? 
>  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some practical 
> application that you are personally considering?  Are you thinking about 
> setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and "feel" 
>> of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it true 
>> that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars? With 
>> tubes or only tubeless?
>>
>>
>> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR 
>> list.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that they 
>>> run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
>>> sew-ups!  
>>>
>>> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, 
>>> but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  
>>> No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it 
>>> for rides of that kind.  
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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>>
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>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

"interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to 
read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum later? 
 Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some practical 
application that you are personally considering?  Are you thinking about 
setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and "feel" 
> of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it true 
> that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars? With 
> tubes or only tubeless?
>
>
> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR list.
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that they 
>> run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
>> sew-ups!  
>>
>> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, but 
>> it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  No, I 
>> will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it for 
>> rides of that kind.  
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and "feel" of
tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it true that
modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars? With
tubes or only tubeless?


* I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR list.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that they
> run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with
> sew-ups!
>
> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, but
> it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  No, I
> will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it for
> rides of that kind.
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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[RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that they 
run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
sew-ups!  

Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, but 
it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  No, I 
will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it for 
rides of that kind.  

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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