Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Den John]

My two (€) cents:

I ordered a pair of Five Ten Trail Cross GTX because I was planning a ride 
in the snow on the Belgian High Fens (Hoge Venen). 
They didn't turn up on time, so I made do with what I already had for 
footwear: Specialized Rime MTB shoes, knee length sealskinz socks, and
Endura Neoprene overshoes. It worked OK: we were out for about 5 hours with 
a café stop half way, and I only really noticed cold feet towards the end. 
It was about -3°c up there, there was snow fall but not much wind.  

The Five Tens have since turned up and I've used them for a couple of 
commutes (30km each way). They seem OK so far, but it's not been especially 
cold or wet and certainly not snowy. They are one of the few flat pedal 
winter shoes out there (Vaude do something similar). Note that there seems 
to be a non-GTX version of the Trail Cross. 

I also looked at Vans MTE shoes, some of them seem to have flat enough 
soles for cycling. https://www.vans.eu/mte.html  Has anyone tried them?

Cheers,
Johnny

On Wednesday, 2 February 2022 at 09:17:15 UTC+1 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Well, if global warming fails to appear and we get nucular winter instead, 
> I'll look for an updated pair. As things stand now, we here in high desert 
> ABQ are lucky if we get a couple of decent snows per year, and rarely get 
> more than a week of lows low enough for wearing my old pair.
>
> Tho"  4" snow predicted for later today, and low of 5* Thurs night! I 
> hope to ride in the snow, but will stay inside until it warms up to at 
> least mid teens.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:42 PM Josh Brown  wrote:
>
>> "Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene 
>> sock?"
>>
>> Not the model I mentioned, which are more like a hiking boot with a stiff 
>> sole that can easily be used for walking around. 
>>
>> Josh in NYC
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Patrick Moore]

Well, if global warming fails to appear and we get nucular winter instead,
I'll look for an updated pair. As things stand now, we here in high desert
ABQ are lucky if we get a couple of decent snows per year, and rarely get
more than a week of lows low enough for wearing my old pair.

Tho"  4" snow predicted for later today, and low of 5* Thurs night! I
hope to ride in the snow, but will stay inside until it warms up to at
least mid teens.



On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:42 PM Josh Brown  wrote:

> "Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene
> sock?"
>
> Not the model I mentioned, which are more like a hiking boot with a stiff
> sole that can easily be used for walking around.
>
> Josh in NYC
>

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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[ascpgh]

My Diadora winter shoes sound like the same design using a neoprene cuff 
with a wrapping flap (sort of) secured by velcro. I have to position both 
faces of the velcro away from the socked foot entering or the flap with the 
loop patch goes in with my foot and/or the hook patch adheres to my sock 
and inverts into the shoe as well. 

Glad that's not the design paradigm that carried forward. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh (where it's a balmy 20° but a looming winter storm will keep the 
Nokians mounted the rest of the week)

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:34:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> + 1 for the Lake winter shoes. They are nice and warm, tho' I don't use 
> mine until temps fall into the 20s.
>
> Query: Mine are old; I'd guess 6-10 (the range indicates that I have no 
> idea) years old, with a thickish neoprene liner built in. This liner is 
> divided at the shoe's entry into a flap mean to wrap around the ankle and 
> secure to the other side with velcro. This means that, when you are putting 
> the boots on, you have to guide your foot into a rather narrow tunnel while 
> holding the "flap" back so that it doesn't velcro itself to the opposing 
> side. If you are old, stiff, and whiny as I, then this can require certain 
> contortions to get thick sock into shoe without bunching (shoes are 
> properly sized).
>
> Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene sock?
>
> Still and all, even mine are comfortably and comfortingly warm on longer 
> rides at temps well below freezing.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:21 AM Josh Brown  wrote:
>
>> Bought a pair of Lake (MXZ 200) a couple years ago and wear them when it 
>> gets below 30 here.
>>
>> They have a goretex liner, vibaram sole, great stiffness and plenty of 
>> room in the toe box for thick socks. They also have a cutaway so you can 
>> use SPDs if that's your speed.
>>
>> Josh in slushy NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 10:51 PM Brady Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool 
>>> socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens. 
>>>
>>> For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe 
>>> covers. I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather, 
>>> wearing regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of 
>>> old Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years 
>>> ago. Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single 
>>> digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual 
>>> wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is 
>>> superior to most other options. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in 
 20 degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with 
 these 
 insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole 
 time.


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta  wrote:

 Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe 
 and hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases 
 heat—and battery powered heated socks.  



 On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Hi Bruce - 
>
> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. 
> I was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber 
> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my 
> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I 
> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes 
> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were 
> wet). 
> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then 
> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the 
> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective. 
>
> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof. 
> Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both 
> cold weather and extremely cold weather. 
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up 
>> for 20-30 deg rides.
>>
>> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base 
>> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  
>> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity 
>> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins 
>> (breathable) 
>> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 
>> size 
>> too large to accommodate the thickness. 

Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Josh Brown]

"Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene
sock?"

Not the model I mentioned, which are more like a hiking boot with a stiff
sole that can easily be used for walking around.

Josh in NYC


On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 4:34 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> + 1 for the Lake winter shoes. They are nice and warm, tho' I don't use
> mine until temps fall into the 20s.
>
> Query: Mine are old; I'd guess 6-10 (the range indicates that I have no
> idea) years old, with a thickish neoprene liner built in. This liner is
> divided at the shoe's entry into a flap mean to wrap around the ankle and
> secure to the other side with velcro. This means that, when you are putting
> the boots on, you have to guide your foot into a rather narrow tunnel while
> holding the "flap" back so that it doesn't velcro itself to the opposing
> side. If you are old, stiff, and whiny as I, then this can require certain
> contortions to get thick sock into shoe without bunching (shoes are
> properly sized).
>
> Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene sock?
>
> Still and all, even mine are comfortably and comfortingly warm on longer
> rides at temps well below freezing.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:21 AM Josh Brown  wrote:
>
>> Bought a pair of Lake (MXZ 200) a couple years ago and wear them when it
>> gets below 30 here.
>>
>> They have a goretex liner, vibaram sole, great stiffness and plenty of
>> room in the toe box for thick socks. They also have a cutaway so you can
>> use SPDs if that's your speed.
>>
>> Josh in slushy NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 10:51 PM Brady Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool
>>> socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens.
>>>
>>> For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe
>>> covers. I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather,
>>> wearing regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of
>>> old Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years
>>> ago. Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single
>>> digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual
>>> wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is
>>> superior to most other options.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in
 20 degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with these
 insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole
 time.


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta  wrote:

 Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe
 and hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases
 heat—and battery powered heated socks.



 On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Hi Bruce -
>
> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties.
> I was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber
> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my
> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I
> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes
> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were wet).
> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then
> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the
> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective.
>
> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof.
> Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both
> cold weather and extremely cold weather.
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up
>> for 20-30 deg rides.
>>
>> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base
>> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.
>> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity
>> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins 
>> (breathable)
>> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size
>> too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. 
>> merino
>> ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is
>> breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet
>> will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We do 

Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for the Lake winter shoes. They are nice and warm, tho' I don't use
mine until temps fall into the 20s.

Query: Mine are old; I'd guess 6-10 (the range indicates that I have no
idea) years old, with a thickish neoprene liner built in. This liner is
divided at the shoe's entry into a flap mean to wrap around the ankle and
secure to the other side with velcro. This means that, when you are putting
the boots on, you have to guide your foot into a rather narrow tunnel while
holding the "flap" back so that it doesn't velcro itself to the opposing
side. If you are old, stiff, and whiny as I, then this can require certain
contortions to get thick sock into shoe without bunching (shoes are
properly sized).

Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene sock?

Still and all, even mine are comfortably and comfortingly warm on longer
rides at temps well below freezing.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:21 AM Josh Brown  wrote:

> Bought a pair of Lake (MXZ 200) a couple years ago and wear them when it
> gets below 30 here.
>
> They have a goretex liner, vibaram sole, great stiffness and plenty of
> room in the toe box for thick socks. They also have a cutaway so you can
> use SPDs if that's your speed.
>
> Josh in slushy NYC
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 10:51 PM Brady Smith  wrote:
>
>> For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool
>> socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens.
>>
>> For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe
>> covers. I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather,
>> wearing regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of
>> old Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years
>> ago. Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single
>> digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual
>> wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is
>> superior to most other options.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in
>>> 20 degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with these
>>> insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole
>>> time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe
>>> and hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases
>>> heat—and battery powered heated socks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bruce -

 Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties.
 I was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber
 soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my
 toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I
 finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes
 off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were wet).
 I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then
 getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the
 moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective.

 I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof.
 Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both
 cold weather and extremely cold weather.

 On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for
> 20-30 deg rides.
>
> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base
> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.
> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity
> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins 
> (breathable)
> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size
> too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. 
> merino
> ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is
> breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet
> will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On
>> those days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool
>> socks and then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof 
>> so
>> they work for rain as well.
>>
>> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks
>> deal with the sweat by wicking it away from my 

Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Josh Brown]

Bought a pair of Lake (MXZ 200) a couple years ago and wear them when it
gets below 30 here.

They have a goretex liner, vibaram sole, great stiffness and plenty of room
in the toe box for thick socks. They also have a cutaway so you can use
SPDs if that's your speed.

Josh in slushy NYC



On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 10:51 PM Brady Smith  wrote:

> For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool
> socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens.
>
> For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe covers.
> I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather, wearing
> regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of old
> Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years ago.
> Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single
> digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual
> wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is
> superior to most other options.
>
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in
>> 20 degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with these
>> insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole
>> time.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe and
>> hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases heat—and
>> battery powered heated socks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bruce -
>>>
>>> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. I
>>> was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber
>>> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my
>>> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I
>>> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes
>>> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were wet).
>>> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then
>>> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the
>>> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective.
>>>
>>> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof.
>>> Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both
>>> cold weather and extremely cold weather.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>>>
 It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for
 20-30 deg rides.

 I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base
 layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.
 Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity
 pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable)
 inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size
 too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino
 ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is
 breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet
 will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.

 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those
> days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and
> then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work
> for rain as well.
>
> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks
> deal with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>
> Hi all -
>
>
> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle.
> I am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working
> out well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple
> of problem areas:
>
> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool
> socks and mountain biking shoes
> .
> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are
> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am
> starting to 

Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Brady Smith]

For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool 
socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens. 

For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe covers. 
I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather, wearing 
regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of old 
Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years ago. 
Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single 
digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual 
wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is 
superior to most other options. 

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in 20 
> degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with these 
> insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole 
> time.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe and 
> hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases heat—and 
> battery powered heated socks.  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi Bruce - 
>>
>> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. I 
>> was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber 
>> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my 
>> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I 
>> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes 
>> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were wet). 
>> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then 
>> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the 
>> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective. 
>>
>> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof. 
>> Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both 
>> cold weather and extremely cold weather. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for 
>>> 20-30 deg rides.
>>>
>>> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base 
>>> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  
>>> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity 
>>> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable) 
>>> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size 
>>> too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino 
>>> ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is 
>>> breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet 
>>> will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>>
 We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those 
 days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and 
 then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work 
 for rain as well. 

 My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal 
 with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:

 Hi all -


 Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I 
 am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working 
 out 
 well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
 problem areas:

 - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
 socks and mountain biking shoes 
 .
  
 After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
 starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
 starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
 hours) ride.

 - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
 
  
 with a breathable jacket 
 

Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Roberta]

Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe and 
hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases heat—and 
battery powered heated socks.  

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Hi Bruce - 
>
> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. I 
> was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber 
> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my 
> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I 
> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes 
> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were wet). 
> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then 
> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the 
> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective. 
>
> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof. Which 
> type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both cold 
> weather and extremely cold weather. 
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for 
>> 20-30 deg rides.
>>
>> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base 
>> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  
>> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity 
>> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable) 
>> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size 
>> too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino 
>> ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is 
>> breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet 
>> will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those 
>>> days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and 
>>> then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work 
>>> for rain as well. 
>>>
>>> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal 
>>> with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all -
>>>
>>>
>>> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I 
>>> am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
>>> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
>>> problem areas:
>>>
>>> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
>>> socks and mountain biking shoes 
>>> .
>>>  
>>> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
>>> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
>>> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
>>> hours) ride.
>>>
>>> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> with a breathable jacket 
>>> .
>>>  
>>> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
>>> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
>>> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
>>> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
>>> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
>>> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
>>> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
>>> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>>>
>>> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really 
>>> appreciate any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back 
>>> on riding during winters. 
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Kushan
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Kushan]

Hi Bruce - 

Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. I 
was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber 
soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my 
toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I 
finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes 
off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were wet). 
I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then 
getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the 
moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective. 

I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof. Which 
type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both cold 
weather and extremely cold weather. 

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for 
> 20-30 deg rides.
>
> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base layer 
> with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  Merino 
> skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity pants 
> (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable) 
> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size 
> too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino 
> ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is 
> breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet 
> will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those 
>> days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and 
>> then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work 
>> for rain as well. 
>>
>> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal 
>> with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all -
>>
>>
>> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I 
>> am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
>> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
>> problem areas:
>>
>> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
>> socks and mountain biking shoes 
>> .
>>  
>> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
>> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
>> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
>> hours) ride.
>>
>> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
>> 
>>  
>> with a breathable jacket 
>> .
>>  
>> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
>> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
>> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
>> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
>> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
>> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
>> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
>> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>>
>> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
>> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
>> during winters. 
>>
>> Best
>> Kushan
>>
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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Fullylugged]

It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for 
20-30 deg rides.

I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base layer 
with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  Merino 
skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity pants 
(great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable) 
inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size 
too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino 
ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is 
breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet 
will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those 
> days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and 
> then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work 
> for rain as well. 
>
> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal 
> with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>
> Hi all -
>
>
> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I am 
> finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
> problem areas:
>
> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
> socks and mountain biking shoes 
> .
>  
> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
> hours) ride.
>
> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
> 
>  
> with a breathable jacket 
> .
>  
> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>
> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
> during winters. 
>
> Best
> Kushan
>
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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[rltilley]

We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those days I 
typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and then 
Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work for rain 
as well. 

My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal with 
the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all -
> 
> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I am 
> finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out well 
> in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of problem 
> areas:
> 
> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool socks 
> and mountain biking shoes. After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun 
> weather, my feet are starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two 
> hours, I am starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for 
> longer (5-6 hours) ride.
> 
> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt with 
> a breathable jacket. While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems 
> - the jersey is soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly 
> flat roads where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other 
> problem is that after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels 
> somewhat similar to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red 
> after being out in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness 
> when I wear the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 
> 60s). So it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
> 
> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate any 
> advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding during 
> winters. 
> 
> Best
> Kushan
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[RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Kushan]

Hi all -

Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I am 
finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
problem areas:

- How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool socks 
and mountain biking shoes 
.
 
After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
hours) ride.

- Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 

 
with a breathable jacket 
.
 
While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 

I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
during winters. 

Best
Kushan

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