[RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

The Vio was supremely ugly and I sent it back. Red and white polka dot 
vintage helmet it is.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 2:54:21 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
> bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought it 
> was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.
>
> But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. and 
> then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No reason 
> in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being spent on 
> my Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why not. I have 
> a blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, and I was 
> saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry Platypus is 
> instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet is too red 
> for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t know. But 
> it is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just SO, which led 
> me to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. As luck would 
> have it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio on October 14th 
> and with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are lighted helmets!
>
> There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a 
> raspberry to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is worth 
> the $149 price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, which was 
> desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They are 
> offering 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.
>
> I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
> please...
>
> Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Mark Roland]

Confession/breaking news: helmet was not stolen, I hid it on myself! 
Luckily I had not yet pulled the trigger on a new purchase. Although I 
found some nice deals on yellow helmets. 



On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 9:19:05 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> “ What would be cool if they could design something that could convert the 
> energy of your head movements throughout the ride--kinda like a 
> self-winding wrist watch. ” 
>
> That WOULD be a great idea! 
>
> I'd consider this helmet because of the lights, MIPS, and vents!(Leah, you 
> NEED those vents for the hot as hell days in LV. ) but I just bought a 
> white MIPS helmet with vents, so I'll get this one if I loose that one. Or 
> if it gets stolen! Mark, at least they didn't take a bike! 
>
> You, Leah, win the prize for style!

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[RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Roberta]

“ What would be cool if they could design something that could convert the 
energy of your head movements throughout the ride--kinda like a self-winding 
wrist watch. ”

That WOULD be a great idea!

I'd consider this helmet because of the lights, MIPS, and vents!(Leah, you NEED 
those vents for the hot as hell days in LV. ) but I just bought a white MIPS 
helmet with vents, so I'll get this one if I loose that one. Or if it gets 
stolen! Mark, at least they didn't take a bike!

You, Leah, win the prize for style!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Joe Bernard]

My trick for recharging stuff is to have it all in the same spot as my 
phone charger. When I used to ride at night more I got in the habit of 
pulling my lights off the bike right after coming home and plugging them 
and the phone in at the same time, same spot. I'm already slightly manic 
about keeping my phone full so it's an easy habit to get into..next day, 
everything's charged!

On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> They stole your helmet??? Wow. Report back here if you get the Nutcase Vio!
>
> I’ve never, until seeing the Vio helmet, thought about helmets for 
> visibility. I wore my fun polka dot ones hoping to be interpreted as 
> whimsical and fun so maybe folks would be less inclined to run me over. It 
> feels like there’s a natural angst between the Lycra riders and cars...I 
> was hoping to be seen as something less provoking. 
>
> But I can’t deny that more is more when it comes to lights for night 
> riding, and I’d be happy to have a lighted helmet. I’d have to find a way 
> to put the charger near my helmet, though, or it will be forever dead. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 25, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I cast a dissenting vote on the black helmet thing. I wear a helmet on 
> occasion. Mine got stolen out of my driveway last week. If I don't go for 
> the silver one that BBDD modeled above, I will replace it with a similar 
> Lazer model to the one I had--in the Flash Yellow color. Especially because 
> I don't wear garishly colored lycra clothing, when I do wear something 
> bike-specific, it makes sense to wear something that motorists can see from 
> afar--an ounce of prevention, blah blah. Red seems like it would be pretty 
> visible as well. A trend I see these days is the all-matte black 
> look--black carbon bike, black helmet, black jersey and shorts or tights. 
> Looks pretty bad-ass, and blends in perfectly with the road! Also, of 
> course, black is hot  in another way during the warm months of the year.
>
> I don't think dyno-driven helmet lights will become a thing. What would be 
> cool if they could design something that could convert the energy of your 
> head movements throughout the ride--kinda like a self-winding wrist watch. 
> Or build in a little solar panel and collect the energy during your day 
> rides..Or make a "head stand" like for a wig and it could also be the 
> charger. 
>
> 
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:27:53 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>>
>> And +1 on Joe's preference for black. And vents, many more vents.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:26:20 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> But does it plug in to your dyno hub? You're a convert, yes? That said, 
>>> I've really noticed some helmets recently with lit yield triangles in back. 
>>> Like, Really noticed. Very smart. 
>>> But if it isn't dyno powered, it's a no go, I'm too lazy to charge much 
>>> of anything.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
 bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought 
 it 
 was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.

 But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. 
 and then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No 
 reason in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being 
 spent on my Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why 
 not. I have a blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, 
 and I was saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry 
 Platypus is instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet 
 is too red for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t 
 know. But it is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just 
 SO, 
 which led me to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. As 
 luck would have it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio on 
 October 14th and with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are lighted 
 helmets!

 There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a 
 raspberry to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is 
 worth 
 the $149 price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, which was 
 desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They are 
 offering 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.

 I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
 please...

 Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Leah Peterson]

They stole your helmet??? Wow. Report back here if you get the Nutcase Vio!

I’ve never, until seeing the Vio helmet, thought about helmets for visibility. 
I wore my fun polka dot ones hoping to be interpreted as whimsical and fun so 
maybe folks would be less inclined to run me over. It feels like there’s a 
natural angst between the Lycra riders and cars...I was hoping to be seen as 
something less provoking. 

But I can’t deny that more is more when it comes to lights for night riding, 
and I’d be happy to have a lighted helmet. I’d have to find a way to put the 
charger near my helmet, though, or it will be forever dead. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 25, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> I cast a dissenting vote on the black helmet thing. I wear a helmet on 
> occasion. Mine got stolen out of my driveway last week. If I don't go for the 
> silver one that BBDD modeled above, I will replace it with a similar Lazer 
> model to the one I had--in the Flash Yellow color. Especially because I don't 
> wear garishly colored lycra clothing, when I do wear something bike-specific, 
> it makes sense to wear something that motorists can see from afar--an ounce 
> of prevention, blah blah. Red seems like it would be pretty visible as well. 
> A trend I see these days is the all-matte black look--black carbon bike, 
> black helmet, black jersey and shorts or tights. Looks pretty bad-ass, and 
> blends in perfectly with the road! Also, of course, black is hot  in another 
> way during the warm months of the year.
> 
> I don't think dyno-driven helmet lights will become a thing. What would be 
> cool if they could design something that could convert the energy of your 
> head movements throughout the ride--kinda like a self-winding wrist watch. Or 
> build in a little solar panel and collect the energy during your day 
> rides..Or make a "head stand" like for a wig and it could also be the 
> charger. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:27:53 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>> And +1 on Joe's preference for black. And vents, many more vents.
>> -Kai
>> 
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:26:20 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>> But does it plug in to your dyno hub? You're a convert, yes? That said, 
>>> I've really noticed some helmets recently with lit yield triangles in back. 
>>> Like, Really noticed. Very smart. 
>>> But if it isn't dyno powered, it's a no go, I'm too lazy to charge much of 
>>> anything.
>>> -Kai
>>> 
 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
 bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought 
 it was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.
 
 But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. and 
 then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No 
 reason in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being 
 spent on my Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why 
 not. I have a blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, 
 and I was saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry 
 Platypus is instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet 
 is too red for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t 
 know. But it is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just 
 SO, which led me to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. 
 As luck would have it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio 
 on October 14th and with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are 
 lighted helmets!
 
 There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a 
 raspberry to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is 
 worth the $149 price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, 
 which was desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They 
 are offering 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.
 
 I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
 please...
 
 Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
 Leah
 
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[RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Mark Roland]

I cast a dissenting vote on the black helmet thing. I wear a helmet on 
occasion. Mine got stolen out of my driveway last week. If I don't go for 
the silver one that BBDD modeled above, I will replace it with a similar 
Lazer model to the one I had--in the Flash Yellow color. Especially because 
I don't wear garishly colored lycra clothing, when I do wear something 
bike-specific, it makes sense to wear something that motorists can see from 
afar--an ounce of prevention, blah blah. Red seems like it would be pretty 
visible as well. A trend I see these days is the all-matte black 
look--black carbon bike, black helmet, black jersey and shorts or tights. 
Looks pretty bad-ass, and blends in perfectly with the road! Also, of 
course, black is hot  in another way during the warm months of the year.

I don't think dyno-driven helmet lights will become a thing. What would be 
cool if they could design something that could convert the energy of your 
head movements throughout the ride--kinda like a self-winding wrist watch. 
Or build in a little solar panel and collect the energy during your day 
rides..Or make a "head stand" like for a wig and it could also be the 
charger. 

[image: lazer in flash yellow.jpg]

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:27:53 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:
>
> And +1 on Joe's preference for black. And vents, many more vents.
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:26:20 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> But does it plug in to your dyno hub? You're a convert, yes? That said, 
>> I've really noticed some helmets recently with lit yield triangles in back. 
>> Like, Really noticed. Very smart. 
>> But if it isn't dyno powered, it's a no go, I'm too lazy to charge much 
>> of anything.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
>>> bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought it 
>>> was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.
>>>
>>> But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. and 
>>> then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No reason 
>>> in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being spent on 
>>> my Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why not. I have 
>>> a blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, and I was 
>>> saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry Platypus is 
>>> instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet is too red 
>>> for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t know. But 
>>> it is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just SO, which led 
>>> me to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. As luck would 
>>> have it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio on October 14th 
>>> and with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are lighted helmets!
>>>
>>> There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a 
>>> raspberry to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is worth 
>>> the $149 price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, which was 
>>> desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They are 
>>> offering 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.
>>>
>>> I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
>>> please...
>>>
>>> Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Joe Bernard]

Wait, we're plugging helmets into bikes now?? I'm not sure having yourself 
tethered to it in a get off is a good idea!

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 8:11:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Kai, ha! I AM a convert to dyno. As to this Vio helmet, I doubt it plugs 
> into the hub - I do know it uses a USB charger. If it does plug into a hub, 
> I don’t know that mine allows it. I have a Shutter Precision, if that means 
> anything to anyone. 
>
> I’m admittedly NOT excited about charging my helmet, I agree with you 
> there. But it *is* raspberry and vented..don’t tell me you aren’t tempted! 
> 藍
> Leah
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> But does it plug in to your dyno hub? You're a convert, yes? That said, 
> I've really noticed some helmets recently with lit yield triangles in back. 
> Like, Really noticed. Very smart. 
>
> But if it isn't dyno powered, it's a no go, I'm too lazy to charge much of 
> anything.
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
>> bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought it 
>> was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.
>>
>> But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. and 
>> then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No reason 
>> in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being spent on 
>> my Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why not. I have 
>> a blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, and I was 
>> saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry Platypus is 
>> instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet is too red 
>> for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t know. But 
>> it is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just SO, which led 
>> me to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. As luck would 
>> have it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio on October 14th 
>> and with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are lighted helmets!
>>
>> There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a 
>> raspberry to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is worth 
>> the $149 price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, which was 
>> desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They are 
>> offering 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.
>>
>> I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
>> please...
>>
>> Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Leah Peterson]

Kai, ha! I AM a convert to dyno. As to this Vio helmet, I doubt it plugs into 
the hub - I do know it uses a USB charger. If it does plug into a hub, I don’t 
know that mine allows it. I have a Shutter Precision, if that means anything to 
anyone. 

I’m admittedly NOT excited about charging my helmet, I agree with you there. 
But it *is* raspberry and vented..don’t tell me you aren’t tempted! 藍
Leah
Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 24, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> But does it plug in to your dyno hub? You're a convert, yes? That said, I've 
> really noticed some helmets recently with lit yield triangles in back. Like, 
> Really noticed. Very smart. 
> But if it isn't dyno powered, it's a no go, I'm too lazy to charge much of 
> anything.
> -Kai
> 
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
>> bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought it 
>> was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.
>> 
>> But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. and 
>> then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No reason 
>> in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being spent on my 
>> Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why not. I have a 
>> blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, and I was 
>> saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry Platypus is 
>> instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet is too red 
>> for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t know. But it 
>> is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just SO, which led me 
>> to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. As luck would have 
>> it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio on October 14th and 
>> with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are lighted helmets!
>> 
>> There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a raspberry 
>> to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is worth the $149 
>> price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, which was 
>> desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They are offering 
>> 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.
>> 
>> I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
>> please...
>> 
>> Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
>> Leah
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

And +1 on Joe's preference for black. And vents, many more vents.
-Kai

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:26:20 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> But does it plug in to your dyno hub? You're a convert, yes? That said, 
> I've really noticed some helmets recently with lit yield triangles in back. 
> Like, Really noticed. Very smart. 
> But if it isn't dyno powered, it's a no go, I'm too lazy to charge much of 
> anything.
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
>> bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought it 
>> was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.
>>
>> But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. and 
>> then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No reason 
>> in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being spent on 
>> my Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why not. I have 
>> a blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, and I was 
>> saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry Platypus is 
>> instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet is too red 
>> for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t know. But 
>> it is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just SO, which led 
>> me to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. As luck would 
>> have it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio on October 14th 
>> and with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are lighted helmets!
>>
>> There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a 
>> raspberry to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is worth 
>> the $149 price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, which was 
>> desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They are 
>> offering 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.
>>
>> I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
>> please...
>>
>> Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
>> Leah
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Helmet matching.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

But does it plug in to your dyno hub? You're a convert, yes? That said, 
I've really noticed some helmets recently with lit yield triangles in back. 
Like, Really noticed. Very smart. 
But if it isn't dyno powered, it's a no go, I'm too lazy to charge much of 
anything.
-Kai

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I had been saving my original Nutcase red and white polka dot helmet. I 
> bought it a million years ago in 2012 when I got my Betty Foy. I thought it 
> was one of the cutest helmets I had ever seen. I rarely wore it.
>
> But this year I set an ambitious cycling goal (made it in early Oct. and 
> then upped it to 3,000 by Dec 17) and I started wearing a helmet. No reason 
> in particular, but I just figured with that much more time being spent on 
> my Clementine, and with the long descent on my route, well why not. I have 
> a blue and white polka dot Nutcase for my RBW blue Clementine, and I was 
> saving my red helmet for my future red bike. But my cranberry Platypus is 
> instead a lovely raspberry Platypus, and now I think my helmet is too red 
> for it. WHY helmet matching has become important to me, I don’t know. But 
> it is, and I want everything about this dream bike to be just SO, which led 
> me to shop the Nutcase website and see what was new there. As luck would 
> have it, they dropped a new line of helmets called the Vio on October 14th 
> and with the tag line, “Can you see me now?” They are lighted helmets!
>
> There are several colors offered, and the “Cabernet” looks like a 
> raspberry to me. I ordered one (free returns) and will see if this is worth 
> the $149 price tag. The vent system has been redesigned as well, which was 
> desperately needed. This could be a pretty perfect helmet. They are 
> offering 10% off today, 10.24.2020, so look for that in your cart.
>
> I can’t post the link here, so I will do it in a reply...one moment, 
> please...
>
> Does anyone else on the List helmet match? Or am I starting a new trend?
> Leah
>
>

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

"Now I strive to ride within my means."

That is a very eloquent expression of a good rule to ride by, helmet or no
helmet, and so is the gloss: Mindfulness, confidence, skill, and humility
are essential to riding safely.  Thanks.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:05 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I am thankful you are doing so well. I don’t know what they told you about
> watching for signs of a closed head injury that can appear up to two months
> after a concussion, but they all fall into the category of “the world just
> seem harder now.” Feel free to contact me off list if you would like, or
> explore my ministry website to others with brain injury (I will soon have a
> post up there about “I got a Concussion. Now What?” There are things I
> found helpful in healing that also may help more soon after a concussion.
>
> It is well known here I do not wear a helmet and that I have brain injury
> due to over eight concussions since I was 12. If a helmet were essential to
> riding safely, I would wear one. Since a helmet is not essential to riding
> safely and wearing one impedes my ability to ride (that much weight on my
> head combined with constant vertigo do not play well), I do not wear a
> helmet. A few points, which I believe are in addition to those already made:
>
> - Coup-contre coup: the physics of the brain and skull in a sudden stop
> that a helmet does nothing to protect against (and likely can’t).
> - A head and helmet weigh more than a head, so a helmeted head is, by the
> laws of physics, more likely to impact the ground in an accident. How much
> more? I doubt anyone knows.
> - I had 8+ concussions over 19 years, starting at age twelve. Over the
> last 16 years, I’ve had no concussions. What changed? I learned humility
> and slowed down to within my means to 1) assess the environment I am
> passing through well and then 2) safely navigate it and have avoided or
> minimized all subsequent accidents. Failure to do either or both of these
> is the cause of every accident I had. Now I strive to ride within my means.
> Doing this well can be done with or without a helmet. Riding within my
> means neither requires a bare head nor is it prevented by a helmet. An
> accident is assuredly a sign I failed in one or both, even if that failure
> was a failure to assess and account for other’s failures or unexpected but
> anticipatable conditions. So far, I’ve found that all conditions are
> anticipatable with enough mindfulness. I adoped the Navy Seal saying “Slow
> is smooth and smooth is fast.” Another version of “as fast as I can, as
> slow as I must.” Grin.
> - A helmet may prevent some of the injury in a low speed or glancing
> impact, but a helmet is entirely superflaus to riding safely. Mindfulness,
> confidence, skill, and humility are essential to riding safely.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[REC (Roberta)]

I always wear my helmet.  It might help if I get into an accident and I 
don't see any downsides...for me.

If anyone is interested in the Wave helmet, I stopped by a Trek store 
yesterday and the salesperson told me all Trek and Bontrager accessories, 
including helmets,  will be 20% off next weekend, not on sale during the 
week, and then again on sale the following weekend. 

Roberta

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 10:56:33 PM UTC-4, John McBurney wrote:

> Now the other question...which helmet?
>
> I owe my life to a MSR mountain climbing helmet.  I was a strong 16 year 
> old junior in 1970 when I rolled my tubular at 30 mph. My riding partner, 
> my grandfather, and I were among the few who wore helmets back then. The 
> MSR used a nylon web and deformable rings and I pushed the webbing to the 
> shell when I landed. The outer was deeply gouged right on the top . 
>
> I’ve crashed several times since. Been hit by a truck. But this was the 
> big one. 
>
> I recently bought on of the new Bontrager waveflow helmets. I can’t PROVE 
> it’s better than a styrofoam helmet... but I’m hedging my bets. As a 
> knowledge worker I don’t have a choice. 
>
> John W McBurney MD
> Neurologist 
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:38 PM John McBurney  > wrote:
>
>> Helmet. 
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:37 PM Mark Schneider > > wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening,
>>>
>>> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
>>> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
>>> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the 
>>> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without 
>>> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me 
>>> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush 
>>> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when 
>>> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides 
>>> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started 
>>> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded 
>>> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try 
>>> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was 
>>> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard 
>>> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me 
>>> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I 
>>> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a 
>>> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no 
>>> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a 
>>> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a 
>>> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash, 
>>> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the 
>>> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head. 
>>> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've 
>>> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
>>> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
>>> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
>>> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly 
>>> at my age.
>>> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Mark
>>> Pescadero Basin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Edwin W]

Here are my FAQs about my helmet use that I share with friends and family to 
prove I am the bike obsessed person in their life:

Do you ever wear a helmet?
Sure, I wear a helmet sometimes. I am more likely to wear a helmet if it is 
cold, dark, rainy, or all of the above. Also, I am more likely to wear a helmet 
if I am going fast, like for exercise. I am also more likely to wear a helmet 
if I am going for a very long ride, like a tour, where I will be riding on 
roads with trucks going fast.
Do you ever not wear a helmet?
Sure, I often don’t wear a helmet. I am less likely to wear a helmet if I am 
riding at a casual speed, on an upright bicycle and on streets with slow 
traffic.
Do you make your kids wear a helmet?
Yes, it is the law here in Tennessee.
Isn’t that a double standard?
Not really…. We both follow the laws. Also, I have a lot more experience. I 
have been riding bikes for 40 years and have ridden more than 10,000 miles in 
the last few years alone.
Wouldn’t a helmet make you safer in a wreck?
Probably. I liken it to driving and walking for transportation. It is fairly 
safe, but crashes do happen. If you were in a crash, a helmet would probably 
help. I know a family that hit a deer while driving, and the antlers pierced 
the skull of one of the passengers. A helmet would have prevented that, but 
nobody I know would recommend that the passenger wear a helmet in the future, 
or not get in a car again.
But aren’t you safer in a car, surrounded by 5000 pounds of steel and with a 
seatbelt and airbags?
Yes, and still 40,000 people die every year due to cars. Just in the US! Also, 
about 280,000 people have traumatic brain injuries due to motor vehicle crashes 
each year in the US. I am sure many would have been prevented by a helmet.
But isn’t walking safer since you are on a sidewalk?
Still, 4,000 people die while walking every year in the US, many of them on the 
sidewalk, where cars occasionally crash.
Would you recommend that motorcycle riders wear a helmet?
Yes, study after study connects increased helmet use with a decrease in death 
rate among motorcycle riders.
Aren’t there studies that connect increased bike helmet use with decreased 
deaths?
Surprisingly, no. There are studies that show that many people who have been 
injured in a bike crash were not wearing helmets, but that is not the same. The 
safest places for biking are where people rarely wear helmets.
Why are bike racers required to wear helmets?
The same reason that car racers are required to wear helmets: they go much 
faster than you and I do and they travel in a very tight pack. If you bike like 
a bike racer, you might want to consider a helmet.
My Questions for You:
Would wearing a helmet while driving make you safer, less safe, or about the 
same?
Most people I ask admit that it would probably make them safer, but nobody I 
know wears a helmet for driving, even when driving at night, in the mountains, 
in the rain or in the snow. Or driving fast surrounded by big trucks. Nobody I 
know has even considered it! And I think that is fine.
Would wearing a helmet while walking make you safer, less safe, or about the 
same?
Most people I ask say “about the same.” Because of this, nobody I know has ever 
considered wearing a helmet when walking.
I think wearing a helmet when driving or walking (and biking around town) would 
make you safer, but it is not SO dangerous, and a helmet would not make you SO 
much safer that I would recommend wearing one all the time. I don’t know why 
people so consistently single out biking as a particularly dangerous activity 
that requires helmet use.
Also, “unintentional injury” is the leading cause of death in people ages 1-44. 
Unintentional motor vehicle incident is the leading or 2nd leading cause of 
these injuries in people over 1 year old. Shouldn’t we be talking more about 
how to decrease these deaths and injuries rather than focusing so much on 
biking without a helmet? Remember, biking is very safe, and is good for your 
city. If you want to improve health, safety, or your town, ride a bike! With or 
without a helmet!

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

I ought to add that I've been riding for just about 60 years man and boy,
and riding in urban traffic for almost 52 years, man and boy. I've ridden
without helmet, recklessly I must admit, in some of the statistically worst
traffic in the world (Kenya in the '60s and '70s had some of the worst auto
accident rates in the world) and in unbelievably crowded and chaotic
conditions -- Connaught Place; downtown Karachi.

I've had multiple accidents without a helmet, but thank God have never been
seriously injured. Jobst Brandt rode what, 10K+ miles/year, on and off
road, Alps, pavement and dirt, for 50 or 60 years without a helmet.

Again: I am not trying to prove anything, even to myself. I am -- for
myself alone -- simply calling up evidence. Anecdote can match anecdote,
but if anyone has a rigorous statistical report on the amount that helmets
reduce serious cycling injury, please post the link.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:08 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm very glad you ended up more or less alright.
>
> I haven't worn a helmet for at least 15 years even when commuting across
> town on main streets at rush hour (I wore a helmet for 20 years before
> that). But I often wonder if if I should start using one again -- as I did
> while riding 1 mile in the narrow lane on 4-lane, 50 mph Montano Boulevard
> just now.
>
> I share my thoughts below; that's all. I am not urging anyone to do
> anything that he or she does not want to do.
>
> My question is: What is the statistical reduction in serious injury or
> death, overall, from wearing a helmet? Or to put the same or a very similar
> and practically the same question a different way: how statistically
> frequent are such accidents as yours, and what is the statistical frequency
> of serious harm with, and what without, a helmet?
>
> I follow the secondary literature a great deal, and I have to confess that
> I haven't seen sound statistics showing that they -- statistically! -- make
> a material difference overall on cycling safety.
>
> There are always exceptions; doubtless your accident was one of them. But
> there are exceptions in every field of activity; high rise fires, tire
> blowouts at 85 on the freeway, serious food poisoning. And one takes very
> serious measures against such exceptions, but where exactly does one start
> to do so?
>
> I am still asking myself if I should wear a helmet; I dunno. Perhaps I
> will. I have kept one for years, just never worn.
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:37 PM Mark Schneider  wrote:
>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
>> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a
>> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the
>> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without
>> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me
>> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush
>> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when
>> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides
>> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started
>> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded
>> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try
>> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was
>> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard
>> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me
>> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I
>> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a
>> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no
>> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a
>> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a
>> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash,
>> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the
>> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head.
>> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've
>> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in
>> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass,
>> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around
>> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly
>> at my age.
>> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>> Pescadero Basin
>>
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[Patrick Moore]

I'm very glad you ended up more or less alright.

I haven't worn a helmet for at least 15 years even when commuting across
town on main streets at rush hour (I wore a helmet for 20 years before
that). But I often wonder if if I should start using one again -- as I did
while riding 1 mile in the narrow lane on 4-lane, 50 mph Montano Boulevard
just now.

I share my thoughts below; that's all. I am not urging anyone to do
anything that he or she does not want to do.

My question is: What is the statistical reduction in serious injury or
death, overall, from wearing a helmet? Or to put the same or a very similar
and practically the same question a different way: how statistically
frequent are such accidents as yours, and what is the statistical frequency
of serious harm with, and what without, a helmet?

I follow the secondary literature a great deal, and I have to confess that
I haven't seen sound statistics showing that they -- statistically! -- make
a material difference overall on cycling safety.

There are always exceptions; doubtless your accident was one of them. But
there are exceptions in every field of activity; high rise fires, tire
blowouts at 85 on the freeway, serious food poisoning. And one takes very
serious measures against such exceptions, but where exactly does one start
to do so?

I am still asking myself if I should wear a helmet; I dunno. Perhaps I
will. I have kept one for years, just never worn.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:37 PM Mark Schneider  wrote:

> Good evening,
>
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the
> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without
> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me
> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush
> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when
> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides
> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started
> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded
> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try
> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was
> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard
> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me
> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I
> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a
> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no
> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a
> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a
> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash,
> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the
> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head.
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've
> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass,
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly
> at my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
>
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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mark said: “sometime events unfold in a way you can't predict”

Och, aye! Ain’t that the spice of life? Grin. But we CAN predict their 
unpredictability. I’ve found there is an exponential factor to layers upon 
layers that contribute to unpredictability that is stunningly predictable. 
Among them: my capacity (brain, fatigue, alertness), any intersection of any 
kind, any barrier/obsticle of any kind, anything human made/influenced/related, 
presence of any other person or vehicle, presence in a populated area, wet or 
frozen weather or even the feel of it, etc...

The more of those layers there are, the more I slow down and double and triple 
look. It sounds exhausting, but it is actually far more simple (and thus hard), 
and thus takes less energy and ... well, is smoother. Slow is smooth and smooth 
is fast. Grin. 

With abandon,
Patrick  

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Mark Schneider]

Thank you Patrick I will keep an eye out for symptoms going forward as you 
suggest. I knew you didn't use helmets and I was hoping you'd comment on 
the post as you always offer interesting insights. Had I slowed a little 
and been more mindful I wouldn't have crashed, but sometime events unfold 
in a way you can't predict. Issues of fatigue, stress, weather conditions, 
and others occasionally conspire to make one act less cautiously than 
normal and result in a mistake. If I was to ride without a helmet I know 
I'd ride slower and much more cautiously. I also know that when I ride a 
fender-less bike I slow way down on that crossing, (so I don't get soaked) 
and the Atlantis I ride without fenders, has wider, safer tires on it.

Mark

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 12:05:27 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Mark, 
>
> I am thankful you are doing so well. I don’t know what they told you about 
> watching for signs of a closed head injury that can appear up to two months 
> after a concussion, but they all fall into the category of “the world just 
> seem harder now.” Feel free to contact me off list if you would like, or 
> explore my ministry website to others with brain injury (I will soon have a 
> post up there about “I got a Concussion. Now What?” There are things I 
> found helpful in healing that also may help more soon after a concussion. 
>
> It is well known here I do not wear a helmet and that I have brain injury 
> due to over eight concussions since I was 12. If a helmet were essential to 
> riding safely, I would wear one. Since a helmet is not essential to riding 
> safely and wearing one impedes my ability to ride (that much weight on my 
> head combined with constant vertigo do not play well), I do not wear a 
> helmet. A few points, which I believe are in addition to those already 
> made: 
>
> - Coup-contre coup: the physics of the brain and skull in a sudden stop 
> that a helmet does nothing to protect against (and likely can’t). 
> - A head and helmet weigh more than a head, so a helmeted head is, by the 
> laws of physics, more likely to impact the ground in an accident. How much 
> more? I doubt anyone knows. 
> - I had 8+ concussions over 19 years, starting at age twelve. Over the 
> last 16 years, I’ve had no concussions. What changed? I learned humility 
> and slowed down to within my means to 1) assess the environment I am 
> passing through well and then 2) safely navigate it and have avoided or 
> minimized all subsequent accidents. Failure to do either or both of these 
> is the cause of every accident I had. Now I strive to ride within my means. 
> Doing this well can be done with or without a helmet. Riding within my 
> means neither requires a bare head nor is it prevented by a helmet. An 
> accident is assuredly a sign I failed in one or both, even if that failure 
> was a failure to assess and account for other’s failures or unexpected but 
> anticipatable conditions. So far, I’ve found that all conditions are 
> anticipatable with enough mindfulness. I adoped the Navy Seal saying “Slow 
> is smooth and smooth is fast.” Another version of “as fast as I can, as 
> slow as I must.” Grin. 
> - A helmet may prevent some of the injury in a low speed or glancing 
> impact, but a helmet is entirely superflaus to riding safely. Mindfulness, 
> confidence, skill, and humility are essential to riding safely.   
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mark,

I am thankful you are doing so well. I don’t know what they told you about 
watching for signs of a closed head injury that can appear up to two months 
after a concussion, but they all fall into the category of “the world just seem 
harder now.” Feel free to contact me off list if you would like, or explore my 
ministry website to others with brain injury (I will soon have a post up there 
about “I got a Concussion. Now What?” There are things I found helpful in 
healing that also may help more soon after a concussion.

It is well known here I do not wear a helmet and that I have brain injury due 
to over eight concussions since I was 12. If a helmet were essential to riding 
safely, I would wear one. Since a helmet is not essential to riding safely and 
wearing one impedes my ability to ride (that much weight on my head combined 
with constant vertigo do not play well), I do not wear a helmet. A few points, 
which I believe are in addition to those already made:

- Coup-contre coup: the physics of the brain and skull in a sudden stop that a 
helmet does nothing to protect against (and likely can’t).
- A head and helmet weigh more than a head, so a helmeted head is, by the laws 
of physics, more likely to impact the ground in an accident. How much more? I 
doubt anyone knows.
- I had 8+ concussions over 19 years, starting at age twelve. Over the last 16 
years, I’ve had no concussions. What changed? I learned humility and slowed 
down to within my means to 1) assess the environment I am passing through well 
and then 2) safely navigate it and have avoided or minimized all subsequent 
accidents. Failure to do either or both of these is the cause of every accident 
I had. Now I strive to ride within my means. Doing this well can be done with 
or without a helmet. Riding within my means neither requires a bare head nor is 
it prevented by a helmet. An accident is assuredly a sign I failed in one or 
both, even if that failure was a failure to assess and account for other’s 
failures or unexpected but anticipatable conditions. So far, I’ve found that 
all conditions are anticipatable with enough mindfulness. I adoped the Navy 
Seal saying “Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.” Another version of “as fast as 
I can, as slow as I must.” Grin.
- A helmet may prevent some of the injury in a low speed or glancing impact, 
but a helmet is entirely superflaus to riding safely. Mindfulness, confidence, 
skill, and humility are essential to riding safely.   

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Joe Bernard]

- The crash Mark experienced can hardly be said to have been the result of 
"risk compensation." -

I made no reference to Mark's wreck. My post was clearly a summary of Grant's 
stance about helmet use, which he and I discussed at length on a ride shortly 
after he wrote it up in a Reader about 14-15 years ago. 

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I usually don't wear a helmet. Not when commuting or shopping. On group rides 
when a helmet is expected or required I will wear a helmet. 

I've come off the bike pretty hard both with and without a helmet. The withs 
were during USCF racing. Both times mild to serious concussions. I was in a 
race where a writer crashed out, he hit his head I guess pretty bad, was 
wearing a helmet. He was never quite the same after that.

Latest without, I came off the bike going downhill at fairly high speed due to 
another rider's error last summer, went off the road, over the bars and down 
off a 6-foot rock retaining wall into the woods. Received a concussion but 
fairly mild compared to the others. I suppose I could have landed on a rock and 
cracked my head open.

Why? I don't really feel like making a case, but I will say it's a good part 
philosophical. I also enjoy the feeling of riding without a helmet.

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have been following this thread with interest and as a result, I think I’ll 
heed the nudge I feel to start wearing my helmet. The problem is going to be 
this: HAIR. And not just mine. My 13 year old son takes pains each morning to 
have his just so and a helmet will wreck it. This will be a fight after years 
of not wearing the helmet. And then there’s my hair. I love a good Dutch braid 
or even an up-do, and these don’t fit under helmets. Ugh.

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Ryan M.]

I wear a helmet pretty much anytime I ride the bike. I've crashed a number 
of times on the mountain bikes and a few times when I rode on the roadways, 
and the helmet seemed to always help. Well, I haven't had a head injury yet 
but I've busted up ribs a couple of times. I think I have broken three 
helmets now. I have a bontrager mtb helmet now (I forget which one) that 
has extra material that comes down the back of the neck and MIPS and it 
certainly feels like it can help when in a crash. 

When I ride the motorcycle I always wear a full face helmet, motocross 
boots, and a full set of abrasion proof armored pants/jackets, gloves, 
ect...also always wear a seatbelt in the car too. 

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 10:34:21 PM UTC-5, Jim A wrote:
>
> People are giving good reasons for wearing a helmet while cycling.
>
> Follow up question: Helmet or not when doing other activities with similar 
> statistical risk of head injury (eg driving a motor vehicle with a seatbelt 
> on, climbing a ladder)? If not, why not?
>
> Genuinely curious, but feel free to delete if OT or if helmet wars 
> commence.
>
>
>

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[RBW] To Helmet or not

[rob markwardt]

I’ve cracked at least two of them so it goes on most of the time. My last crash 
was pretty bad going down hard on my right side. I had road rash and soreness 
at every contact point on my body except my head. If it does nothing else than 
keep my head from getting scraped into hamburger then it’s worth it to me. 

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[Jeffrey Arita]

+2 for wearing a helmet.  My wife crashed very recently (wet bike path, 
off-camber, downhill turn) and landed almost head first.  Cracked helmet in 3 
places...she (and I) without further comment understood what could have 
happened...

Jeff

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

On 3/29/19 11:34 PM, Jim A wrote:

People are giving good reasons for wearing a helmet while cycling.

Follow up question: Helmet or not when doing other activities with 
similar statistical risk of head injury (eg driving a motor vehicle 
with a seatbelt on, climbing a ladder)? If not, why not?




It is standard practice for construction workers and visitors to 
building sites, and people working in trees to wear helmets.  It is also 
standard practice for race drivers to wear helmets.  Ditto for caving, 
mining, firefighting and any number of other occupations.  Likewise, 
there are many sports where wearing helmets is common practice.



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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Bill Schairer]

“Helmet or not when doing other activities with similar statistical risk of 
head injury (eg driving a motor vehicle with a seatbelt on, climbing a ladder)”

I wear a helmet whenever I ride.  In 40 plus years of doing so I broke one (a 
classic Bell) going less than 10 mph just as i got to work over 30 years ago.  
It had just started raining, I pulled into the parking lot, turned left barely 
moving and was flat on my back before I knew it.  This convinced me that speed 
or type of ride is irrelevant.  I put one on to ride 50 yards to test an 
adjustment I’ve made.

And, yes, I have worn one from time to time when engaged in other risky 
activities - on a ladder (but not always) or in a tree doing trimming, for 
example.  My ex mother -in-law died after falling from a ladder and hitting her 
head.

I have zero concern for whether or not what I am doing on my bike is 
Rivendellian.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Drw]

This has been a lightning rod topic in the past (for reasons that escape me). 
Helmet though, and I kinda want one of those fancy new trek ones. 

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Joe Gates]

Helmet.  It is second nature now and as Eric said “no real reason not to.”  
Plus, as a father, I am trying to set a good example for my children. One day I 
might be glad they had their helmet on. 

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Jim A]

People are giving good reasons for wearing a helmet while cycling.

Follow up question: Helmet or not when doing other activities with similar 
statistical risk of head injury (eg driving a motor vehicle with a seatbelt 
on, climbing a ladder)? If not, why not?

Genuinely curious, but feel free to delete if OT or if helmet wars commence.


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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Helmet. Always. Every single ride.

No real reason not to, and lots of good reasons to wear one, among which is the 
fact that I make my living with my brain, which is inside my skull.

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> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Mark Schneider  wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the standard 
> Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without one for any 
> meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me damn glad that 
> I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush hour, Butano 
> Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when traffic coming 
> from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides form a cue. I was 
> riding faster than I normally do as it had just started to pour and I was 
> headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded section because of the 
> small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try to stay to the left of, 
> also I was watching the cars much closer than I was where my front tire was 
> going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard when my from tire hit the 
> lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me sideways off the bike. My helmeted 
> head hit the pavement hard, and while I didn't loose consciousness I wasn't 
> able to stand on my own or get up for a minute or two despite laying in 4-5 
> inches of cold water. There's no question that I'd have been injured far 
> worse than I was had I not had a helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was 
> taken to the ER. Today, I'm a bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was 
> concussed and have a whiplash, the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet 
> on, I did not go over the handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my 
> head. 
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've been 
> riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly at 
> my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
> 
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
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[RBW] To Helmet or not

[Joe Bernard]

Discs

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[John McBurney]

Now the other question...which helmet?

I owe my life to a MSR mountain climbing helmet.  I was a strong 16 year
old junior in 1970 when I rolled my tubular at 30 mph. My riding partner,
my grandfather, and I were among the few who wore helmets back then. The
MSR used a nylon web and deformable rings and I pushed the webbing to the
shell when I landed. The outer was deeply gouged right on the top .

I’ve crashed several times since. Been hit by a truck. But this was the big
one.

I recently bought on of the new Bontrager waveflow helmets. I can’t PROVE
it’s better than a styrofoam helmet... but I’m hedging my bets. As a
knowledge worker I don’t have a choice.

John W McBurney MD
Neurologist

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:38 PM John McBurney  wrote:

> Helmet.
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:37 PM Mark Schneider 
> wrote:
>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
>> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a
>> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the
>> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without
>> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me
>> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush
>> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when
>> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides
>> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started
>> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded
>> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try
>> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was
>> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard
>> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me
>> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I
>> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a
>> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no
>> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a
>> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a
>> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash,
>> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the
>> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head.
>> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've
>> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in
>> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass,
>> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around
>> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly
>> at my age.
>> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>> Pescadero Basin
>>
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[Christopher Cote]

I've hit my head on the ground with and without a helmet. I know which I 
prefer. That's all I have to say.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[John McBurney]

Helmet.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:37 PM Mark Schneider  wrote:

> Good evening,
>
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the
> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without
> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me
> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush
> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when
> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides
> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started
> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded
> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try
> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was
> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard
> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me
> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I
> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a
> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no
> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a
> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a
> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash,
> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the
> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head.
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've
> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass,
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly
> at my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
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[RBW] To Helmet or not

[Mark Schneider]

Good evening,

A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the 
standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without 
one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me 
damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush 
hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when 
traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides 
form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started 
to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded 
section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try 
to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was 
where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard 
when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me 
sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I 
didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a 
minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no 
question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a 
helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a 
bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash, 
the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the 
handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head. 
I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've been 
riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly 
at my age.
So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?

Thanks
Mark
Pescadero Basin

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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

[Kiley DeMond]

As part of my whole unracing thing, I have been rocking one of these when I 
wear a helmet. I bought the brown shell and the Paris cover New York when I 
was riding my Dutch tank, but it totally clashes with my Cheviot so now I 
only wear it ice skating (until I get another cover, anyhow). I am actually 
more worried about my noggin when on skates than my bike. 

http://www.yakkay.com

They are sold in the U.S. at a bike shops like 
Heritage, https://www.heritagebicycles.com/products/yakkay-helmets.

They have some other very interesting alternatives.
https://www.heritagebicycles.com/collections/stylish-bicycle-helmets/products/thousand-bike-helmet?variant=22090492673
And this, that while sold out here, I find very interesting; goes well with 
my bike and has a reasonable price point. Hmmm.
https://www.heritagebicycles.com/collections/stylish-bicycle-helmets/products/poc-helmet-crane-pure?variant=786484549



On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 6:32:30 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> My problem with alot of helmets is they look like they stand so tall. 
> Makes me look like I have a stack of books on my head. Or like a stack of 
> teetering crockery.
>
> Is there a helmet that is more low profile or lays flatter on the head?
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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

[Ryan Fleming]

That is a nice helmet

On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 9:44:02 AM UTC-5, Clayton wrote:
>
> I have a big head on a thin body. I suffer the same issue. The helmet I 
> like is the Giro Aspect. It's spendy, but I feel handsome when I wear it. 
> ;)  
>
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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

[lum gim fong]

Duct tape or packing tape in a pinch to cover holes.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the suggestion, John, definitely looking at the Sutton.  I wish 
the vents could be closed, but they are small enough not to let in too much 
rain.

And, in my opinion, the premium cost of MIPS is well worth the added 
rotational protection the system is designed to provide.

Ride Safely,
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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a big head on a thin body. I suffer the same issue. The helmet I 
like is the Giro Aspect. It's spendy, but I feel handsome when I wear it. 
;)  

Clayton B.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

[John A. Bennett]

I've been wearing one of these since seeing a customer with one. 

http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/sutton-21.html

Mine has the added feature that Giro calls MIPS. Costs an extra $20 or so:

http://www.giro.com/us_en/mips/

John in Portland



On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 6:32:30 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> My problem with alot of helmets is they look like they stand so tall. 
> Makes me look like I have a stack of books on my head. Or like a stack of 
> teetering crockery.
>
> Is there a helmet that is more low profile or lays flatter on the head?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Tim Gavin]

Like you, I have a big noggin.  Like you, I picked up a cheap Bell helmet
at my LBS.  I got the XLV, which is what they had.

It's been a good helmet for almost a year.  However, the adjustable pads at
the crown are simply falling apart.  The velcro has separated from the
fuzzy cloth padding.

You get what you pay for, obviously.  A good cheap helmet is still a cheap
helmet.  Keep an eye on those pads, hopefully they're more substantial in
the one you bought.

I'm pretty tempted to try one of the Bern helmets; my girlfriend has one
and loves it.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:53 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Thanks for your input folks. I went to two LBS's  found nothing that fit
 well, had a visor,  no tail. At my local REI I found the Bell XLP that fit
 all my needs including my big head. Bonus, it cost $40. I was willing to
 spend 4x that.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Neil]

I have a Bern, and love the glove-like fit and the visor, but it is quite 
warm in the summer months. So, in the name of ventilation, I tried a 
Catlike Kompacto and love it: 
http://www.catlike.es/us/en/helmets/road/kompact-o-road//
 
Excellent ventilation, very light, great fit. I wear it with a Walz cycling 
cap to better manage sweat.
 
I've had at least two iterations of the Giro Hex for mountain biking, and 
always liked that fit as well. If you like Giro, you might go with another 
one.
 

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:14:16 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from 
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one. 

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally 
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7 
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white 
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect 
 http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker 
 http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but I 
 found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain 
 cover, for cold season riding

 Thanks for your thoughts,
 Joe in western Colorado 


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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Jon, thanks Garth. I like the look of the Trinity but really want a 
visor. I will check out the Bishop.

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:50:23 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:


 If you like the fit of a Giro or Bell, it's a good bet you'll like another 
 . These Giro's looks nice :)

 http://www.giro.com/us_en/trinity.html
 http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/bishop.html



 On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:14:16 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from 
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally 
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7 
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white 
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect 
 http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker 
 http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but I 
 found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain 
 cover, for cold season riding

 Thanks for your thoughts,
 Joe in western Colorado 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Goshen Peter]

i use the Giro Bishop and can say it was nice to finally wear a helment
that fit my fat head. Nice and light, big enough vents to give me vent
shaped sunburn spots on my bald head when i forget to use sunscreen.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Thanks Jon, thanks Garth. I like the look of the Trinity but really want a
 visor. I will check out the Bishop.


 On Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:50:23 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:


 If you like the fit of a Giro or Bell, it's a good bet you'll like
 another . These Giro's looks nice :)

 http://www.giro.com/us_en/trinity.html
 http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/bishop.html



 On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:14:16 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect http://velonews.competitor.
 com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-
 helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but
 I found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain
 cover, for cold season riding

 Thanks for your thoughts,
 Joe in western Colorado

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Garth]

Even the Hex may suit you, it's still rounded and lots of vents, plus the 
visor even adjust up to 15 degrees , which is rather nice :)  

http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/hex.html#undefined



On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:12:00 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote:

 Thanks Jon, thanks Garth. I like the look of the Trinity but really want a 
 visor. I will check out the Bishop.

 On Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:50:23 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:


 If you like the fit of a Giro or Bell, it's a good bet you'll like 
 another . These Giro's looks nice :)

 http://www.giro.com/us_en/trinity.html
 http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/bishop.html



 On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:14:16 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from 
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally 
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7 
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white 
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect 
 http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker 
 http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but 
 I found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain 
 cover, for cold season riding

 Thanks for your thoughts,
 Joe in western Colorado 



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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Zack]

I have the aspect and like it plenty.  I had an REI gift card to defray 
some of the cost, which was helpful, as it's expensive.  

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for your input folks. I went to two LBS's  found nothing that fit well, 
had a visor,  no tail. At my local REI I found the Bell XLP that fit all my 
needs including my big head. Bonus, it cost $40. I was willing to spend 4x that.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado]

Hi Joe,
I hope you are recovering quickly from your crash!
I would just say get a helmet that meets or exceeds all the safety 
criteria,fits well and provides coverage where it counts, is 
comfortable,has pads that can be washed remove easily and also has pads 
that can be replaced. And most importantly makes you look FAST!
Hope you are out on your bike soon.
Jon
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:14:16 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from 
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally 
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7 
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white 
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect 
 http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker 
 http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but I 
 found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain 
 cover, for cold season riding

 Thanks for your thoughts,
 Joe in western Colorado 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Lyle Bogart]

Hey Joe,

Hope you're mending well from the crash. . .

This is not the least expensive helmet, but also not the priciest:

http://bernunlimited.com/shop/bike/allston-440.html

I have one. It's very light, very well ventilated, has removable liners
(general, summer, winter) and the visor is useful in the rain or when the
sun is getting low.

Good luck and Cheers!

lyle


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado 
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Joe,
 I hope you are recovering quickly from your crash!
 I would just say get a helmet that meets or exceeds all the safety
 criteria,fits well and provides coverage where it counts, is
 comfortable,has pads that can be washed remove easily and also has pads
 that can be replaced. And most importantly makes you look FAST!
 Hope you are out on your bike soon.
 Jon

 On Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:14:16 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect http://velonews.competitor.
 com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-
 helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but I
 found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain
 cover, for cold season riding

 Thanks for your thoughts,
 Joe in western Colorado

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

[Garth]

If you like the fit of a Giro or Bell, it's a good bet you'll like another 
. These Giro's looks nice :)

http://www.giro.com/us_en/trinity.html
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/bishop.html



On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:14:16 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote:

 I just recently used my helmet, it is showing a crack all the way from 
 front to back. So I am in the market for a new one.

 My criteria in order of diminishing importance: no tail fin so generally 
 roundish, excellent ventilation, fit for large heads (23.5 circumference/7 
 1/2-7 3/4), a visor for the sun, easy to adjust, non-bright color (white 
 would be ideal), not super expensive, I have used and liked Giros and Bells.

 I like the look of the Giro Aspect 
 http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/bikes-and-tech/reviewed-giro-aspect-helmet_305823
 or the Giro Hex http://www.rei.com/product/809812/giro-hex-bike-helmet
 or the Bell Stoker 
 http://www.rei.com/product/864341/bell-stoker-bike-helmet-mens

 I have used the Bell Metro/Citi in the past and liked its features, but I 
 found it hot and not well ventilated. I still have a Metro, with its rain 
 cover, for cold season riding

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Lynne Fitz]

+1 on the Bell Muni.

On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:00:06 PM UTC-8, NWAJack wrote:

 Hi all.  I'm looking for a new helmet for touring.  Protective of course 
 but not too racer like.  Any suggestions?

 Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Mike Schiller]

Another vote for Uvex. I have the Boss Race model which has a very well 
designed closure  adjustment system. Built in Germany too. 

Coolest helmet I've ever used for hot headed me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Olivier Chetelat]

Hi fine folks,
I hate helmets and never thought I'd need/want one. Commuting in the city
on a daily basis and seeing a few bicyclists down in a year changed my
mind. I did a bit of research and settled on the Armor Deluxe from a
belgium company called Lazer. Rivendell pointed me towards that model. (thx)
It's a bmx style helmet with reasonable ventilation. The best feature is
the surprising lightness, 275 Gr. As a comparison, a Bern Brentwood weighs
in at 425 grams. A weight weenie I am not, however what I carry on my head
better be light and non-intrusive.
This helmet is it.

http://www.lazersport.com/index.php?page=shop.product_detailsflypage=flypage_images.tplproduct_id=611category_id=81option=com_virtuemartItemid=198lang=en

Hope it helps,

Olivier in San Francisco

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 Another vote for Uvex. I have the Boss Race model which has a very well
 designed closure  adjustment system. Built in Germany too.

 Coolest helmet I've ever used for hot headed me.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Ron Mc]

+1 on the Bell Muni
My daughter and I have a pair of these.  They do the job, look good, price 
is right, the rear lights are already there, and the flip mirror you can 
add is very useful.  


On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:15:20 PM UTC-6, HTC wrote:

 I'm a big fan of Bell's Muni helmet.  Paired with Blackburn's Flea 2.0 
 front and rear lights, the combination makes a great commuter helmet.  

 Here's a video made by Bell (the Arella has now been discontinued, but the 
 information is still relevant for the Muni helmet):

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rMW62UHaIo

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Will]

We like these:

http://www.troxelhelmets.com/products/sport

You might poke around the Troxel site for more expensive units, but the 
Sport has all the important features, like screened vents and so on. I've 
got a high end Giro but the Troxel is as good. I dunno why, but equestrian 
helmets, in general are cheaper. The coverage is better too. Must be a 
marketing thing. 

On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:00:06 PM UTC-6, NWAJack wrote:

 Hi all.  I'm looking for a new helmet for touring.  Protective of course 
 but not too racer like.  Any suggestions?

 Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Scott Henry]

Thanks Kai for the heads up.   I've seen the Berns but have yet to try one
on.  I will try to look out for a bigger one.

I'll admit that I rarely wear helmets, I try every once in a while but I
have a wide head and have yet to be able to find something that doesn't put
pressure on the sides of my head.   My standby has been my soft hairnet for
the past few years.

Even worse is my profession of firemen, if I wear my fire helmet for more
than an hour I get a major headache from the side pressure.
Scott



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 Bern goes to xxxl.  Seems like that would matter to a lot of you, it does
 to me.
 -Kai
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Matthew J]

Currently available in Europe, but should find their way here soon:
 
http://www.velorution.com/abus-kranium-aks1-cardboard-helmet/
 
Imagine they will be plenty light.  The regular addition no doubt will not 
have clear outer lining.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Jay B]

very interesting.  thanks for sharing.  makes me wish I still had access to 
a laser cutter...

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 Currently available in Europe, but should find their way here soon:
  
 http://www.velorution.com/abus-kranium-aks1-cardboard-helmet/
  
 Imagine they will be plenty light.  The regular addition no doubt will not 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Ron Mc]

Matthew, 80 quid is $150+

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:34:46 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:

 Currently available in Europe, but should find their way here soon:
  
 http://www.velorution.com/abus-kranium-aks1-cardboard-helmet/
  
 Imagine they will be plenty light.  The regular addition no doubt will not 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

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On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a giro reverb and love it.  it's super lightweight.

Another vote for the Reverb.  Mine replaced a rapidly deteriorating
Trek Vapor.  The Giro is lighter, it fits the shape of my head better
than every other aero helmet I tried on, and the venting is adequate
for summer.  It's too breezy for winter use, so a rain cover or some
packing tape may be appropriate.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Stephen S]

umm $125.90 but still a decent amount...

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:27:31 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 Matthew, 80 quid is $150+

 On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:34:46 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:

 Currently available in Europe, but should find their way here soon:
  
 http://www.velorution.com/abus-kranium-aks1-cardboard-helmet/
  
 Imagine they will be plenty light.  The regular addition no doubt will 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Matthew J]

Oops.  Cut off part of my post.  Made in Germany to European safety 
standards.  The design of the Kranium is specifically meant to take 
multiple hits.  Most other helmets are only warranted for one hit.
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:28:01 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: 

 That price is for the limited edition with the clear plastic cover.   I 
 imagine the regular will be less.  The Abus is made in Germany to 

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Jay B]

Hey Jack,

I'd recommend just about any of the BMX style helmets out there.  We have 
a Nutcase, a Bell Faction, maybe a Bern, and have been happy with them all 
for any kind of 
ridinghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/jayburkhalter/6103931105/in/photostream. 
 Cheap, comfortable, full coverage, colors from plain to ridiculous.  Hard 
to beat...

-jay b.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Robert Zeidler]

Racer-like, in this instance, is good. More vents = cooler (literally).

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Jay B burk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Jack,
 
 I'd recommend just about any of the BMX style helmets out there.  We have a 
 Nutcase, a Bell Faction, maybe a Bern, and have been happy with them all for 
 any kind of riding.  Cheap, comfortable, full coverage, colors from plain to 
 ridiculous.  Hard to beat...
 
 -jay b.
 
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 not too racer like.  Any suggestions?
 
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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

After a couple years of constant overheating with a Nutcase, I switched to 
a Uvex http://www.uvex-sports.de/en/cycling/cycling-products/?pNavi=11helmet. 
The Urban model I have appears to be discontinued, but there are a couple 
models in their current line up that don't look too racey but are still 
well ventilated. 
--Smitty

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Mike On A Bike]

I am definitively unracer in all my other stylings, but I also sweat
like Patrick Ewing and I love my Giro 'Atmos'. The ventilation is
superb, and it's a great combo of minimally feeling like something is
on your head, while also appearing to be plenty protective. I tried
Nutcase once but felt like an overheated dufus, the overheated part
most significant.

On Jan 28, 7:32 pm, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote:
 After a couple years of constant overheating with a Nutcase, I switched to
 a Uvex 
 http://www.uvex-sports.de/en/cycling/cycling-products/?pNavi=11helmet.
 The Urban model I have appears to be discontinued, but there are a couple
 models in their current line up that don't look too racey but are still
 well ventilated.
 --Smitty

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  Hi all.  I'm looking for a new helmet for touring.  Protective of course
  but not too racer like.  Any suggestions?

  Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Zack]

I have a giro reverb and love it.  it's super lightweight.  

i also have a nutcase, i like the reverb much more.  it's a lot lighter.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[Kai Vierstra]

Bern goes to xxxl.  Seems like that would matter to a lot of you, it does to me.
-Kai
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[RBW] Re: Helmet recomendations

[HTC]

I'm a big fan of Bell's Muni helmet.  Paired with Blackburn's Flea 2.0 
front and rear lights, the combination makes a great commuter helmet.  

Here's a video made by Bell (the Arella has now been discontinued, but the 
information is still relevant for the Muni helmet):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rMW62UHaIo

- HT Chen

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Re: [RBW] Summer Helmet

[Steven Frederick]

I don't know if you can add it after the fact.  Many European brands offer
it as original equipment, though.  It's just a fine plastic mesh
incorporated into the front vents to keep out bugs and debris.  Nice
feature!

You can see it in the second pic here:

http://coachlevi.com/product-reviews/uvex-hawk-bike-helmet/

Steve

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 Steve, can you elaborate a bit more on the proper bug mesh and where to
 get it?

 Matt

 On Friday, July 13, 2012 4:55:51 PM UTC-7, stevef wrote:

 Ventilation is good but at least as important to me in the summer is bug
 mesh in the front vents.  I won't own a helmet again that doesn't have this
 feature. Been stung in the scalp once too often!

 I'm currently riding in a Uvex Sport Boss with a visor and bug mesh in
 the front vents and it works fine.  Got it cheap(ish) from Jensen's as I
 recall...

 They do have some models that are reasonably understated:

 http://us.uvex-sports.com/**cycling/news/http://us.uvex-sports.com/cycling/news/

 Steve

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 54ca...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's
 warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated
 warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film.

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Re: [RBW] Summer Helmet

[Peter Morgano]

I had one as a younger man that went on top of the helmet like hairnet and
it was just as awesome as it sounds, haha. It did keep the bees and dragon
flies out of your hair when riding around upstate though but man was it
ugly.

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 I don't know if you can add it after the fact.  Many European brands offer
 it as original equipment, though.  It's just a fine plastic mesh
 incorporated into the front vents to keep out bugs and debris.  Nice
 feature!

 You can see it in the second pic here:

 http://coachlevi.com/product-reviews/uvex-hawk-bike-helmet/

 Steve


 On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:10 PM, hangtownmatt hangtownm...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Steve, can you elaborate a bit more on the proper bug mesh and where to
 get it?

 Matt

 On Friday, July 13, 2012 4:55:51 PM UTC-7, stevef wrote:

 Ventilation is good but at least as important to me in the summer is bug
 mesh in the front vents.  I won't own a helmet again that doesn't have this
 feature. Been stung in the scalp once too often!

 I'm currently riding in a Uvex Sport Boss with a visor and bug mesh in
 the front vents and it works fine.  Got it cheap(ish) from Jensen's as I
 recall...

 They do have some models that are reasonably understated:

 http://us.uvex-sports.com/**cycling/news/http://us.uvex-sports.com/cycling/news/

 Steve

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 warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated
 warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film.

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Re: [RBW] Summer Helmet

[hangtownmatt]

Steve, can you elaborate a bit more on the proper bug mesh and where to get 
it?

Matt

On Friday, July 13, 2012 4:55:51 PM UTC-7, stevef wrote:

 Ventilation is good but at least as important to me in the summer is bug 
 mesh in the front vents.  I won't own a helmet again that doesn't have this 
 feature. Been stung in the scalp once too often!

 I'm currently riding in a Uvex Sport Boss with a visor and bug mesh in the 
 front vents and it works fine.  Got it cheap(ish) from Jensen's as I 
 recall...

 They do have some models that are reasonably understated:

 http://us.uvex-sports.com/cycling/news/

 Steve

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 warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated 
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[RBW] Summer Helmet

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's warm 
due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated warm 
weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film.  

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Re: [RBW] Summer Helmet

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Ventilation is good but at least as important to me in the summer is bug
mesh in the front vents.  I won't own a helmet again that doesn't have this
feature. Been stung in the scalp once too often!

I'm currently riding in a Uvex Sport Boss with a visor and bug mesh in the
front vents and it works fine.  Got it cheap(ish) from Jensen's as I
recall...

They do have some models that are reasonably understated:

http://us.uvex-sports.com/cycling/news/

Steve

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Richard Merkin]

I usually don't interject but having worked in neurosurgery for the
last 12 years I would say wear a helmet.  If you have never seen
somebody fracture their skull then you are missing outit only
takes one fall.


On Mar 15, 11:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well put, Kelly. I am open on the question -- gave up wearing one about five
 years ago after 20 years of wearing them after I did some secondary
 source research,
 but AFAICT well done compilations and finding that no one provides
 statistics proving helmet usefulness -- this as opposed of course
 to anecdotal evidence which both sides possess. I am still waiting for good
 statistical evidence that I should wear them. One of the better known
 studies out there puts the danger (from serious accident) on a bicycle at
 about even with riding in a car, measuring per unit time of use as opposed
 to distance covered, the latter putting cycling injury, IIRC, at twice as
 likely as in a car. Still safer than walking, though, from this same source
 which I have somewhere.









 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
  Not an attack, but if I crashed two wheels that often I'd not be
  riding them.  Not to mention that just because you crack a helmet
  doesn't mean it really saved you from anything.

  I'm not anti helmet, and wear mine when I'm riding in groups and such
  or even if they just aren't comfortable around me without a helmet.
  However..

  Riding alonge with no clips at a comfortable pace and being a skilled
  bike handler, I would be better off using the helmet in the car,
  walking in the snow, shower, or the golf course.

  Of course if I'm falling on my head a helmet is a good thing.. but how
  much better who knows.  The risk of head injury on the bike is pretty
  low to begin with, then the percentage of those who hit hard enough to
  have any injury where the helmet actually helps is even smaller.   For
  me in most cases it's a small enough risk I don't worry about it.

  Now for those yelling how many crashes they have had and how wonderful
  the helmet is.. great sounds like you need it... doesn't mean everyone
  else does.

  If you feel better with a helmet on please wear it and don't allow
  yourself to be talked out of it.  At the same time.. it's your
  business so stay out of mine.

  The fear mongering is coming from other cyclist, it's coming from
  lawyers, it's coming from all around for whatever reason.  It's not
  backed by the numbers however and yet it is.. if I win the lottery and
  then hit the lottery again and hit hard enough but not to hard then I
  guess the helmet is a savior.

  So if your a racer, racer wannabe, group pace line rider, fall off a
  lot, or dont' feel skilled on the bike I suggest a helmet.

  have a great day

  Kelly

  Ray Shine wrote:
   I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull
  pukkie.  I have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can
  attest to the saving grace of helmets in collisions.

   
   From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com
   To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
   Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

   What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
   fear.

   I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
   make a tweed lugged model.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Rob]

Here's some good info on the subject from my friends down the hall at 
Sightline: 
http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2007/10/08/safe-streets-bicycle-neglect-7

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Mike]

What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
fear.

I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
make a tweed lugged model.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[William]

You could have won the cork-product-suggestion contest with a cork-
lined, tweed covered thudgard.

Brilliant!

On Mar 15, 12:13 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
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 I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Ray Shine]

I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull pukkie.  I 
have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can attest to the 
saving grace of helmets in collisions.  




From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
fear.

I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
make a tweed lugged model.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Ray Shine]

The climate of fear is not necessarily attributable to marketing gurus, either. 
Try too many tort and trial attorneys.




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Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

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fear.

I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
make a tweed lugged model.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Kelly Sleeper]

Not an attack, but if I crashed two wheels that often I'd not be
riding them.  Not to mention that just because you crack a helmet
doesn't mean it really saved you from anything.

I'm not anti helmet, and wear mine when I'm riding in groups and such
or even if they just aren't comfortable around me without a helmet.
However..

Riding alonge with no clips at a comfortable pace and being a skilled
bike handler, I would be better off using the helmet in the car,
walking in the snow, shower, or the golf course.

Of course if I'm falling on my head a helmet is a good thing.. but how
much better who knows.  The risk of head injury on the bike is pretty
low to begin with, then the percentage of those who hit hard enough to
have any injury where the helmet actually helps is even smaller.   For
me in most cases it's a small enough risk I don't worry about it.

Now for those yelling how many crashes they have had and how wonderful
the helmet is.. great sounds like you need it... doesn't mean everyone
else does.

If you feel better with a helmet on please wear it and don't allow
yourself to be talked out of it.  At the same time.. it's your
business so stay out of mine.

The fear mongering is coming from other cyclist, it's coming from
lawyers, it's coming from all around for whatever reason.  It's not
backed by the numbers however and yet it is.. if I win the lottery and
then hit the lottery again and hit hard enough but not to hard then I
guess the helmet is a savior.

So if your a racer, racer wannabe, group pace line rider, fall off a
lot, or dont' feel skilled on the bike I suggest a helmet.

have a great day

Kelly

Ray Shine wrote:
 I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull pukkie.  I 
 have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can attest to the 
 saving grace of helmets in collisions. 



 
 From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

 What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
 fear.

 I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
 make a tweed lugged model.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Mike]

On Mar 15, 5:46 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 The climate of fear is not necessarily attributable to marketing gurus, 
 either. Try too many tort and trial attorneys.

Oh, I agree the culture of litigation doesn't help.

I've been working in ERs for a while now and have seen tons of head
injuries from all kinds of causes. I'll certainly keep wearing my
helmet and recommending helmets but I still think he makes good points
and I really enjoyed his talk.

Still, I think a tweed lugged steel Thudguard with some splats and a
Wooly Warm sweater would be a nice look for pedaling around on a
Rivendell.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Ray Shine]

My apologies. I didn't realize that I was in your business.




From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

If you feel better with a helmet on please wear it and don't allow
yourself to be talked out of it.  At the same time.. it's your
business so stay out of mine.



Ray Shine wrote:
 I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull pukkie.  I 
 have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can attest to the 
 saving grace of helmets in collisions. 



 
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 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

 What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
 fear.

 I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
 make a tweed lugged model.

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Mike]

On Mar 15, 5:46 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 The climate of fear is not necessarily attributable to marketing gurus, 
 either. Try too many tort and trial attorneys.

Yeah, the culture of litigation doesn't help.

Like I said, I enjoyed his talk and thought he made some valid points.
It may not resonate with everyone the same way.

I think a tweed lugged steel Thudguard with some spalts and Wooly Warm
sweater would look great while pedaling a Rivendell.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[PATRICK MOORE]

Well put, Kelly. I am open on the question -- gave up wearing one about five
years ago after 20 years of wearing them after I did some secondary
source research,
but AFAICT well done compilations and finding that no one provides
statistics proving helmet usefulness -- this as opposed of course
to anecdotal evidence which both sides possess. I am still waiting for good
statistical evidence that I should wear them. One of the better known
studies out there puts the danger (from serious accident) on a bicycle at
about even with riding in a car, measuring per unit time of use as opposed
to distance covered, the latter putting cycling injury, IIRC, at twice as
likely as in a car. Still safer than walking, though, from this same source
which I have somewhere.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not an attack, but if I crashed two wheels that often I'd not be
 riding them.  Not to mention that just because you crack a helmet
 doesn't mean it really saved you from anything.

 I'm not anti helmet, and wear mine when I'm riding in groups and such
 or even if they just aren't comfortable around me without a helmet.
 However..

 Riding alonge with no clips at a comfortable pace and being a skilled
 bike handler, I would be better off using the helmet in the car,
 walking in the snow, shower, or the golf course.

 Of course if I'm falling on my head a helmet is a good thing.. but how
 much better who knows.  The risk of head injury on the bike is pretty
 low to begin with, then the percentage of those who hit hard enough to
 have any injury where the helmet actually helps is even smaller.   For
 me in most cases it's a small enough risk I don't worry about it.

 Now for those yelling how many crashes they have had and how wonderful
 the helmet is.. great sounds like you need it... doesn't mean everyone
 else does.

 If you feel better with a helmet on please wear it and don't allow
 yourself to be talked out of it.  At the same time.. it's your
 business so stay out of mine.

 The fear mongering is coming from other cyclist, it's coming from
 lawyers, it's coming from all around for whatever reason.  It's not
 backed by the numbers however and yet it is.. if I win the lottery and
 then hit the lottery again and hit hard enough but not to hard then I
 guess the helmet is a savior.

 So if your a racer, racer wannabe, group pace line rider, fall off a
 lot, or dont' feel skilled on the bike I suggest a helmet.

 have a great day

 Kelly

 Ray Shine wrote:
  I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull
 pukkie.  I have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can
 attest to the saving grace of helmets in collisions.
 
 
 
  
  From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
  Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars
 
  What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
  fear.
 
  I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
  make a tweed lugged model.
 
  --mike
 
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[RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving

[JoelMatthews]

From my view, it appears the banging noise was the van running into
the cyclist.

Even if he did bang on the van, what of it?  The van was forcing him
into road barricades.  Are you saying you would not expect a car to
sound its horn in that situation?

On Feb 1, 9:32 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Banging on the side of the vehicle?  All bets are off at that point,
 you're on your own.



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  A friend sent me this link to a BBC News UK article.  Interesting
  thought that might be applicable to some who are commuting on a
  regular basis.  Here's the link
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12334486

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving

[zeidler . robert]

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 04:04:23 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving

From my view, it appears the banging noise was the van running into
the cyclist.

Even if he did bang on the van, what of it?  The van was forcing him
into road barricades.  Are you saying you would not expect a car to
sound its horn in that situation?

On Feb 1, 9:32 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Banging on the side of the vehicle?  All bets are off at that point,
 you're on your own.



 On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:
  A friend sent me this link to a BBC News UK article.  Interesting
  thought that might be applicable to some who are commuting on a
  regular basis.  Here's the link
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12334486

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving

[zeidler . robert]

Apply the brakes, give the much larger vehicle, right or wrong, the right of 
way, and continue on. Better to live to fight another day. He is absolutely 
right to demand his space in the lane. But so what?!  If you're in your Honda 
Civic and a large truck turns in on you what will you do?  Apply the brakes. 
You want to get in someones face in some sort of road rage, get in a fight and 
most likely take an ass kicking over that?  Even if you win you lose. 
No doubt about it, a lot of Britains cycling lanes are a joke, a lot of narrow, 
oddly directed streets, never intended for cars etc., which makes a bad 
situation worse. I'm a big guy w/ 4 years in the 82d Airborne and if it comes 
to it, I'll kick your ass, or at least am willing to take an ass kicking if 
someone is willfully trying to hurt me, but up to that point will do everything 
to avoid that.  
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving

From my view, it appears the banging noise was the van running into
the cyclist.

Even if he did bang on the van, what of it?  The van was forcing him
into road barricades.  Are you saying you would not expect a car to
sound its horn in that situation?

On Feb 1, 9:32 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Banging on the side of the vehicle?  All bets are off at that point,
 you're on your own.



 On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:
  A friend sent me this link to a BBC News UK article.  Interesting
  thought that might be applicable to some who are commuting on a
  regular basis.  Here's the link
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12334486

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[RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving

[Mike]

This has nothing to do with Rivendell Bicycles. It would be better
discussed over at the Bicycle Lifestyle Group.

http://groups.google.com/group/bicyclelifestyle?lnk=

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[RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving

[Jim Cloud]

I just watched the video again and didn't hear the cyclist banging on
the side of the van.  I guess if I was being crowded off the road by a
panel van (with the driver on the ride side of the vehicle) I'd
certainly be likely to try to get the driver's attention in any way
practical.  I don't think cyclists should be so deferential that they
become road kill.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Feb 1, 8:32 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Banging on the side of the vehicle?  All bets are off at that point,
 you're on your own.







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 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12334486

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