Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags
After riding the Divide with 4 Panniers, a handlebar bag ( all Ortlieb) and a Little Joe saddle bag, arriving a few minutes earlier on a 60 m. day would not be a worthy reason to buy a new set of bags that were much less convenient for access. For me easy access is a huge plus..Though I pushed my bike up many hills, the panniers were not a huge impediment. Nor was I watching the clock. Steve Plymouth, NH On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 6:57 PM Patrick Moorewrote: > Patrick: you have far more off road loaded riding experience than I, but > even I have lost (for good!) a rear pannier by squeezing through too narrow > an opening. > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Deacon Patrick > wrote: > >> Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but >> I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had >> challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to >> balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes. >> But my panniers were never in the way. >> >> Other arguments I've heard for frame bags: 1) center of gravity and >> maneuverability on technical trails. Having bikepacked trails I've also >> ridden without a load, this is bunk -- different handling and speeds >> required, but still a non-issue; 2) ease of getting through tight brush and >> bracken. Nah. If I can fit, either on the bike or off, my panniers can fit. >> >> To me it's just a lot of reason to have gear that is frustrating to use >> because it carries so little and is difficult to access. Panniers and >> saddle bags and read racks for me. Grin. >> >> With abandon, >> Patrick >> >> >> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:52:34 PM UTC-6, Will Ashe wrote: >>> >>> I came across this article today, and while it is not totally >>> scientific, it is interesting. >>> >>> >>> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/ >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Will Ashe >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > *30% Supply and Demand discount, listmembers only, on all resume, > LinkedIn, and writing services, until Demand equals Supply! And there's > more! 10% kickback for any referral resulting in fully paid, list-price > contract. And still more! I am offering services in trade for a road bike, > or frame and parts, that are period compatible with my AM hub, circa 1937 > to 1961. See my website for what I do and what I charge; email for details.* > > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten > ** > ** > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Steven Sweedler Plymouth, New Hampshire -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags
DP, I think the claimed handling benefits for a bikepacking setup generally are only benefits for those who want to ride aggressively on an off-road tour. My bikes definitely handle more naturally and with less forethought required when I'm using a basket/seat bag/frame bag setup, but the point of bike camping for me isn't really to "shred the gnar" so much as to spend time in the woods in the company of friends (or myself), so these handling "benefits" don't matter much to me. My experience with an intense hike-a-bike was with Ortlieb Sport Packer Plus panniers mounted to a rear rack. It was about 3-4 hours total, and we must have lifted our bikes up and over 20 fallen trees all while gaining and losing elevation at a dizzying pace--in 100 degree heat. The panniers caused me to have to push from an awkward angle. For the first half hour, it didn't matter. After two or three, though, the awkward position caused a lot of strain in several areas of my body. Front panniers may have been easier in some ways, but they present different issues. Namely, each log of any size requires one to lift or otherwise support the front wheel and bags up and over, whereas rear panniers allow one to employ the ol' drag method. :) Ultimately, I think a front and rear saddlebag with full frame bag setup might work best for me for off-road touring (and a rear saddlebag with front panniers for road tours), but I'm going to give the seat bag at least one more go before I rule it out. Bob K. in Baltimore -- Bob 443 278 4265 http://www.smallsur.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags
Patrick: you have far more off road loaded riding experience than I, but even I have lost (for good!) a rear pannier by squeezing through too narrow an opening. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Deacon Patrickwrote: > Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but > I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had > challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to > balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes. > But my panniers were never in the way. > > Other arguments I've heard for frame bags: 1) center of gravity and > maneuverability on technical trails. Having bikepacked trails I've also > ridden without a load, this is bunk -- different handling and speeds > required, but still a non-issue; 2) ease of getting through tight brush and > bracken. Nah. If I can fit, either on the bike or off, my panniers can fit. > > To me it's just a lot of reason to have gear that is frustrating to use > because it carries so little and is difficult to access. Panniers and > saddle bags and read racks for me. Grin. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:52:34 PM UTC-6, Will Ashe wrote: >> >> I came across this article today, and while it is not totally scientific, >> it is interesting. >> >> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-pannier >> s-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/ >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Will Ashe >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- *30% Supply and Demand discount, listmembers only, on all resume, LinkedIn, and writing services, until Demand equals Supply! And there's more! 10% kickback for any referral resulting in fully paid, list-price contract. And still more! I am offering services in trade for a road bike, or frame and parts, that are period compatible with my AM hub, circa 1937 to 1961. See my website for what I do and what I charge; email for details.* Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ** ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags
Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes. But my panniers were never in the way. Other arguments I've heard for frame bags: 1) center of gravity and maneuverability on technical trails. Having bikepacked trails I've also ridden without a load, this is bunk -- different handling and speeds required, but still a non-issue; 2) ease of getting through tight brush and bracken. Nah. If I can fit, either on the bike or off, my panniers can fit. To me it's just a lot of reason to have gear that is frustrating to use because it carries so little and is difficult to access. Panniers and saddle bags and read racks for me. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:52:34 PM UTC-6, Will Ashe wrote: > > I came across this article today, and while it is not totally scientific, > it is interesting. > > > http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/ > > Thoughts? > > Will Ashe > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?
I have the Sackville TourSacks and actually prefer that they are attached together. I keep my sleeping bag and a small bag of tools on the top of the rack and various stuff in the Sacks. When I get to the site I pitch my tent which traveled in the front of the bike and untie the sleeping bag, grab off the TourSacks and everything goes into the tent; having them connected just makes it easier and I don't have to have the bags roped to the rack. I find the opening of the TourSacks to be ideal for me...I just stuff stuff into them and close the flap. If I have anything near the top that looks like it could pop out I buckle the straps. It works quite well for me. To keep stuff dry I keep clothing and other stuff in individual drybags; the kind that you can buy at REI or any competent camping store. I haven't had a problem with water with the TourSacks using this method and they have held up really well. I'm not a fan of plastic that can break on bags, which is why I prefer the leather and canvas stuff. And honestly, I find the Sackville stuff to be better looking than Ortliebs or even Arkels and I hate to say it, that makes a difference to me. On Friday, August 15, 2014 3:15:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I have and love the Sackville TourSacks, though the one thing that would make me love them more is if they attached individually to each side so I didn't have to remove my Large SaddleSack. I generally bike pack light and just use the SaddleSack and front TrunkSack, but if I need to carry more add the TourSacks. I've done sections (200+ miles) of the Gread Divide MTB trail (road, really), and countless shorter trips with them in dry, rain, sleet, hail, and snow. I've never had a wet issue with them, and I don't use inner dry bags. All that said, if I used them often, or were buying knowing what I know now, I'd give the Carsick a shot and see what I thought. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, August 14, 2014 8:45:56 AM UTC-6, Richard Lawrence wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking for a set of panniers, and I've been considering both a set from Carsick Designs and the Sackville TourSacks for my new-to-me Sam. I've seen a few people on the list recommend the Carsick panniers, and a few people express mild dissatisfaction with the TourSacks. I am wondering if anyone here has experience with both and can offer an informed comparison. I like that the Carsick panniers are roll-top, usable individually, and have exterior pockets for U-lock/water bottle/fuel bottle, but this is just an in-theory preference: I have not owned a set of panniers before and don't know if those are real advantages, or if there are other things I should be considering. I mostly plan to use them for camping and touring; I use a saddle bag for daily commuting, though I could see that changing, too. I am especially curious about: - relative volume and packability - permeability to the elements (rain, dust, whatever) Any thoughts? (Also, if anyone has a used pair of either that they're looking to offload, let me know!) Thanks! Best, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?
I have and love the Sackville TourSacks, though the one thing that would make me love them more is if they attached individually to each side so I didn't have to remove my Large SaddleSack. I generally bike pack light and just use the SaddleSack and front TrunkSack, but if I need to carry more add the TourSacks. I've done sections (200+ miles) of the Gread Divide MTB trail (road, really), and countless shorter trips with them in dry, rain, sleet, hail, and snow. I've never had a wet issue with them, and I don't use inner dry bags. All that said, if I used them often, or were buying knowing what I know now, I'd give the Carsick a shot and see what I thought. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, August 14, 2014 8:45:56 AM UTC-6, Richard Lawrence wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking for a set of panniers, and I've been considering both a set from Carsick Designs and the Sackville TourSacks for my new-to-me Sam. I've seen a few people on the list recommend the Carsick panniers, and a few people express mild dissatisfaction with the TourSacks. I am wondering if anyone here has experience with both and can offer an informed comparison. I like that the Carsick panniers are roll-top, usable individually, and have exterior pockets for U-lock/water bottle/fuel bottle, but this is just an in-theory preference: I have not owned a set of panniers before and don't know if those are real advantages, or if there are other things I should be considering. I mostly plan to use them for camping and touring; I use a saddle bag for daily commuting, though I could see that changing, too. I am especially curious about: - relative volume and packability - permeability to the elements (rain, dust, whatever) Any thoughts? (Also, if anyone has a used pair of either that they're looking to offload, let me know!) Thanks! Best, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: panniers
swift! swift! swift! On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:01:43 AM UTC-7, doc wrote: Swift Short Stacks: http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/swift-and-x-bike-015.jpg On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:50:05 PM UTC-4, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ttZM4CdoclEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
Kelly, I could see from Andy's picture what his problem was. It is not too clear to me from your pic how you solved it. Did you just reposition the pannier a little forward on the rack. Bottom line, and this is important to me, do the Arkel panniers (especially the largest one) fit on a large rear Nitto rack? After all of the discussion I am leaning toward the Arkel but I want to make sure that they will fit before I go through the hassle of ording them only to find out they don't fit. Thanks On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:35:09 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: Andy, Try it this way. May save some on and off headaches. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8075416632/in/photostream Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:12:34 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: With the rack off and the pannier empty, I got it to work. Tight fit that involved some monkeying to get it on but it's a solid attachment. Thanks for the counter experience. I took a few pics in case anyone's wondering what the issue was... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8074911181/ --Andy On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:46:06 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: If photos will help let me know and I'll take some of the back of the pannier that fits, the rack and them together. Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:35:11 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adjust as I installed it, something was always in the way that prevented the hook/clamp from engaging and the pannier from hanging down along the rack. I even tried getting the clamp to engage holding the pannier out (like a wing) then lowering the bag into place, but I couldn't position the clamp mechanism to fit in the triangle. Hearing that someone has made it work... I'll try it again this afternoon and see if I can get it to go. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/T_v0Q2lvY5oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/f2Wne0nJUI4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
Andy, The attachments are adjustable. You loosen a set screw and just move them to the positions you need for the rack you are using. Yes they fit the rack with easy on and off. Kelly On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:32:14 AM UTC-5, tdusky wrote: I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xTZ43c6sfTIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
Tom, I would like to see all the pics you have especially the hardware/attachment setup you used. Thanks, Don On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:32:14 AM UTC-4, tdusky wrote: I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ef7-e-a70DYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
I too would like to see how you mount the home-mades. As I've said before, the most practical grocery panniers I've used were two pairs I made from $4-on-sale kitchen trash cans from Target. It's just that I felt so self conscious riding around with *trashcans* hooked to my bike. I've still got a pair if anyone cares to come by and pick them up, (My next door neighbor has the other permanently attached to the cheap Schwinn World Traveller grocery bike I sold him for $50, and uses them regularly.) (My trashcanpanniers were held together as a pair in the manner of Dutch panniers with nylon webbing and to mount you just slung them over the rack and used a toe strap to hold them in place fore-and-aft.) On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Don donl...@bellsouth.net wrote: Tom, I would like to see all the pics you have especially the hardware/attachment setup you used. Thanks, Don On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:32:14 AM UTC-4, tdusky wrote: I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**37678222@N02/8076880501/in/** photostream/lightbox/http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ef7-e-a70DYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Vote early, vote often, vote Rhinoceros! *http://tinyurl.com/d7muj2t* - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
Those are great! For extended touring, the plastic will likely start to break. Easy enough to move the hardware on to new ones, I guess. On Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:32:14 AM UTC-6, tdusky wrote: I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2VC8sqiyfcgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
I moved the attachment hook (as in your pic). Smooth sailing. Thanks again, Kelly. On one of my flickr pics (linked above) a buddy suggested swapping the hooks so the cams swing open the opposite way. I may try it at a later date when I'm feeling tinker-y. On the trach-can-pannier front... bucket panniers http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-Better-Bucket-Panniers/are a common sight around Portland, OR. Only time I've used one... it was someone else's and I used it as a stool to sit on in camp. I imagine it could also be used to stand on to pick fruit too high to reach otherwise. -- A On Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:58:21 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy, The attachments are adjustable. You loosen a set screw and just move them to the positions you need for the rack you are using. Yes they fit the rack with easy on and off. Kelly On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:32:14 AM UTC-5, tdusky wrote: I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xiqV-Gaj3NkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
You gotta appreciate someone who's not hung up on bag matching. Saw a guy a couple of years back who was using a 5 gallon plastic bucket strapped to the rack top. He pointed out that in addition to being water-proof, it doubles as a camp stool. dougP On Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:32:14 AM UTC-7, tdusky wrote: I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5jZFHSL68jwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
When I was touring this summer with Adventure Cycling, part of the group gear was three plastic dishpans we used for washing dishes. At first they seemed like a nuisance, but when I volunteered to carry them, the utility became obvious. I carried them, neatly nested, face up on my front rack, held on by a cargo net. That space ended up being useful for carrying things that needed not to be squashed, like a loaf of bread, an apple pie or two bags of local cherries. And then around the edges I could shove extra clothes that I took off during the day or other things I wanted handy. So I had my matching Ortlieb handlebar bag and panniers, and then dishpans. I may carry a dishpan next time I tour. It was very useful both on the road and in camp. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:34 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: You gotta appreciate someone who's not hung up on bag matching. Saw a guy a couple of years back who was using a 5 gallon plastic bucket strapped to the rack top. He pointed out that in addition to being water-proof, it doubles as a camp stool. dougP -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: panniers
I have toured with Arkel GT-54s (their biggest pannier) on a Nitto rear rack. It requires a little finagling, but it fits, and once on is both completely stable and easy to remove. I wouldn't worry; they'll fit. BTW, I have the Big Rear Rack with the diagonal struts in the corners right under the rack top, which is the only one that people have reported any issues with. Still fits. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:34 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: panniers Kelly, I could see from Andy's picture what his problem was. It is not too clear to me from your pic how you solved it. Did you just reposition the pannier a little forward on the rack. Bottom line, and this is important to me, do the Arkel panniers (especially the largest one) fit on a large rear Nitto rack? After all of the discussion I am leaning toward the Arkel but I want to make sure that they will fit before I go through the hassle of ording them only to find out they don't fit. Thanks On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:35:09 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: Andy, Try it this way. May save some on and off headaches. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8075416632/in/photostream Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:12:34 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: With the rack off and the pannier empty, I got it to work. Tight fit that involved some monkeying to get it on but it's a solid attachment. Thanks for the counter experience. I took a few pics in case anyone's wondering what the issue was... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8074911181/ --Andy On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:46:06 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: If photos will help let me know and I'll take some of the back of the pannier that fits, the rack and them together. Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:35:11 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adjust as I installed it, something was always in the way that prevented the hook/clamp from engaging and the pannier from hanging down along the rack. I even tried getting the clamp to engage holding the pannier out (like a wing) then lowering the bag into place, but I couldn't position the clamp mechanism to fit in the triangle. Hearing that someone has made it work... I'll try it again this afternoon and see if I can get it to go. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/T_v0Q2lvY5oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request
[RBW] Re: panniers
Closeups added http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8078174442/in/photostream/ Tom On Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:45:05 AM UTC-4, Don wrote: Tom, I would like to see all the pics you have especially the hardware/attachment setup you used. Thanks, Don On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:32:14 AM UTC-4, tdusky wrote: I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the other one as a shelf to place items. Rear water bottle mounts were also a bonus. Easy access and totally water tight. I saw another rider on the trail with these and his only complaint was too much storage room. Check out the photo on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8076880501/in/photostream/lightbox/ Let me know if anyone wants to see closeups of the hardware mounts. Tom Dusky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ATG7_6w578sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
I'll add my +1 to the Swift Industries panniers. They're exquisitely made, and Martina really takes pride in her work and her involvement with the touring community. They're on my wish list for that reason, and also because I know 4 everyday commuters/touring cyclists who swear by her stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9sBtPdFKHy8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
Swift Short Stacks: http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/swift-and-x-bike-015.jpg On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:50:05 PM UTC-4, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vjbf2_cBNkcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: panniers
+1, or a variation, the Swift Mini Short Stacks, which are not really Mini, but perfectly sized for short tours and commuting. Here, on the Mystery Bike: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/ They also have a very clever strap setup that enables the rider to dramatically reduce the size of the panniers when they're empty, which can be very useful in tight spaces. And MUSA. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of doc Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:02 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: panniers Swift Short Stacks: http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/swift-and-x-bike-015.jpg On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:50:05 PM UTC-4, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vjbf2_cBNkcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
throwing these up again, I like Carsick Designs panniers. They are lined and waterproof, easy on/off in/out and I think they look sharp. http://carsickdesigns.com/PRODUCTS/Pages/PANNIERS.html On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50:05 PM UTC-5, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TsqQyPJ4Ql4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: panniers
I had no trouble fitting my Arkels on a Big Back Rack with the trusses. It's tight, but absolutely doable (the mounting clips are movable, which makes it work). From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Smitty Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:54 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: panniers one point about Arkel... they're great panniers and their attachment system is rock solid but takes some real estate to properly clamp onto the rack rails. I mention this because the OP mentioned Nitto racks. My late model (w/ the corner truss reinforcements) Big Back Rack (size large) is NOT compatible with the Arkel mounting system because of the relative position of the trusses and cross pieces (the ones that connect L-R looking at the rack from above). The truss/ cross piece alignment is different on my wife's Big Back Rack (size small) and the Arkel's fit fine. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:50:05 AM UTC-7, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lcB1Zvh3K94J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adjust as I installed it, something was always in the way that prevented the hook/clamp from engaging and the pannier from hanging down along the rack. I even tried getting the clamp to engage holding the pannier out (like a wing) then lowering the bag into place, but I couldn't position the clamp mechanism to fit in the triangle. Hearing that someone has made it work... I'll try it again this afternoon and see if I can get it to go. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kco93uCziQsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
If photos will help let me know and I'll take some of the back of the pannier that fits, the rack and them together. Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:35:11 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adjust as I installed it, something was always in the way that prevented the hook/clamp from engaging and the pannier from hanging down along the rack. I even tried getting the clamp to engage holding the pannier out (like a wing) then lowering the bag into place, but I couldn't position the clamp mechanism to fit in the triangle. Hearing that someone has made it work... I'll try it again this afternoon and see if I can get it to go. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QButR13qKUwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
With the rack off and the pannier empty, I got it to work. Tight fit that involved some monkeying to get it on but it's a solid attachment. Thanks for the counter experience. I took a few pics in case anyone's wondering what the issue was... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8074911181/ --Andy On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:46:06 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: If photos will help let me know and I'll take some of the back of the pannier that fits, the rack and them together. Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:35:11 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adjust as I installed it, something was always in the way that prevented the hook/clamp from engaging and the pannier from hanging down along the rack. I even tried getting the clamp to engage holding the pannier out (like a wing) then lowering the bag into place, but I couldn't position the clamp mechanism to fit in the triangle. Hearing that someone has made it work... I'll try it again this afternoon and see if I can get it to go. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kiyBKICnKZsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
Andy, Try it this way. May save some on and off headaches. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8075416632/in/photostream Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:12:34 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: With the rack off and the pannier empty, I got it to work. Tight fit that involved some monkeying to get it on but it's a solid attachment. Thanks for the counter experience. I took a few pics in case anyone's wondering what the issue was... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8074911181/ --Andy On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:46:06 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: If photos will help let me know and I'll take some of the back of the pannier that fits, the rack and them together. Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:35:11 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adjust as I installed it, something was always in the way that prevented the hook/clamp from engaging and the pannier from hanging down along the rack. I even tried getting the clamp to engage holding the pannier out (like a wing) then lowering the bag into place, but I couldn't position the clamp mechanism to fit in the triangle. Hearing that someone has made it work... I'll try it again this afternoon and see if I can get it to go. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/KErtgT-XQP8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
How I failed to think to move the thingy forward of the triangle is beyond me. Now that I see the pic, it seems the obvious and most simple solution. Thanks! I briefly (months ago when I got the panniers) contemplated cutting the triangle off. Glad I didn't do it. I assume stability is fine with the narrower grab? On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:35:09 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy, Try it this way. May save some on and off headaches. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8075416632/in/photostream Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:12:34 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: With the rack off and the pannier empty, I got it to work. Tight fit that involved some monkeying to get it on but it's a solid attachment. Thanks for the counter experience. I took a few pics in case anyone's wondering what the issue was... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8074911181/ --Andy On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:46:06 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: If photos will help let me know and I'll take some of the back of the pannier that fits, the rack and them together. Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:35:11 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adjust as I installed it, something was always in the way that prevented the hook/clamp from engaging and the pannier from hanging down along the rack. I even tried getting the clamp to engage holding the pannier out (like a wing) then lowering the bag into place, but I couldn't position the clamp mechanism to fit in the triangle. Hearing that someone has made it work... I'll try it again this afternoon and see if I can get it to go. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Pqmyol22DywJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Doesn't effect stability at all. I've ridden this on some really rough roads no problem. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Zr5aiSU6IFQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Dawn and I use Arkel expedition series panniers. We used them for years and in extensive rains without getting anything wet. I carry a down sleeping bag so keeping dry is important. The many pockets and vertical sleeping pad carrier are fantastic. I love the Ortlibs as well I just don't like the top load stuff it in thing. Arkel has spoiled me. Here is my Bombadil in Alaska http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/7688451664/in/set-72157630829044946 Here is my Wife's bike last week http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064303695/in/set-72157631715248107/lightbox/ Arkel also makes rolltop water proof bags.Either way though Ortlieb or Arkel I don't think you could go wrong with either. Kelly On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50:05 PM UTC-5, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uQ6TbW4FKdwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Great pics. Thanks On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:28:14 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: Dawn and I use Arkel expedition series panniers. We used them for years and in extensive rains without getting anything wet. I carry a down sleeping bag so keeping dry is important. The many pockets and vertical sleeping pad carrier are fantastic. I love the Ortlibs as well I just don't like the top load stuff it in thing. Arkel has spoiled me. Here is my Bombadil in Alaska http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/7688451664/in/set-72157630829044946 Here is my Wife's bike last week http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064303695/in/set-72157631715248107/lightbox/ Arkel also makes rolltop water proof bags.Either way though Ortlieb or Arkel I don't think you could go wrong with either. Kelly On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50:05 PM UTC-5, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_uCszTKLFYAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Anybody use the Sackville panniers? On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50:05 PM UTC-5, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CNIRd5fvvcgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Others have covered the water resistance issue well that's an important point. Another thing to study is the mounting retention hardware. You will likely be taking them off the bike often when on tour, so it has to be something quick easy, yet solid and secure. Before you buy, ask about the availability of replacement hardware. Lots of this stuff is plastic and will break over time and with abuse, even high quality gear. Carefully think thru your gear, clothes, etc. when picking a size. It's real easy to just get the biggest bag you can but that makes it easy to drag around a lot of stuff you don't use. OTH, if you're camping in a wet climate, cooking, carrying food water, you want enough room. Visibility: I have a big safety triangle attached to my left rear bag, and a set of yellow rain covers for all 4 bags. The Ortleib yellow is a great color but I've followed those, and the black rear panel is what you see from the back. dougP On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:50:05 AM UTC-7, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dlcjaF-2JOcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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one point about Arkel... they're great panniers and their attachment system is rock solid but takes some real estate to properly clamp onto the rack rails. I mention this because the OP mentioned Nitto racks. My late model (w/ the corner truss reinforcements) Big Back Rack (size large) is NOT compatible with the Arkel mounting system because of the relative position of the trusses and cross pieces (the ones that connect L-R looking at the rack from above). The truss/ cross piece alignment is different on my wife's Big Back Rack (size small) and the Arkel's fit fine. --Andy On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:50:05 AM UTC-7, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. These would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I have most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have front and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while enchilada. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lcB1Zvh3K94J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PLsraS7V6OYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I've also read somewhere that there are panniers in the works, but I can't remember whether or not it was a credible source. I'm in the market for panniers and have been waiting for Riv to update their shop. I bought a Nigel Smythe country bag and lil loafer, but I realized that I need much more room for commuting (though I'll probably keep the duo for fun rambling rides). On my usual commute I need to carry a laptop, power cord, the usual personal items, a sandwich, a thermos, a few books, maybe a collapsible back pillow, and still have theoretical room for a few groceries on the ride home. Unfortunately, I can't carry anything on my back while I ride, so it's all got to get strapped to the bike somehow. Right now I'm using a handmade wooden box, but I'd rather have something classy and canvas with a lid so that I can leave the contents unattended for a few minutes when I run into a store (an open box seems to have take me, I'm free written all over it). I'm debating between a Nigel Smythe Big Box and the as-of-yet-unseen panniers, but another consideration is that I don't have an office (and probably wont for at least another year and a half), and so my bike ends up being locked up outside all over Berkeley and Oakland cafes for hours at a time. That's led me to look for some easily detachable setup that turns into a messenger bag when I need to unload the bike, something like these from Basil: (The Weekender) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/item/145054 (The Messenger) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/catalog/bags-packs/messenger I'm still hoping for the Rivendell holy grail before I decide to try out the Basil, though. - Nicole On Dec 9, 11:35 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I think I read somewhere that Riv is going to release a pannier set... Does anyone know if this is true? I'm in the market for a set...maybe two and don't want to purchase until I see what Riv comes up with... Will they be part of the Sackville lineup? WIll they be more for commuting or touring specific? Anyone have any ideas? Also..still on the prowl for an appropriate Sam Hillborne Green paint touch up source... Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Nicole E. nicolemea...@gmail.com wrote: I've also read somewhere that there are panniers in the works, but I can't remember whether or not it was a credible source. I'm in the market for panniers and have been waiting for Riv to update their shop. I bought a Nigel Smythe country bag and lil loafer, but I realized that I need much more room for commuting (though I'll probably keep the duo for fun rambling rides). On my usual commute I need to carry a laptop, power cord, the usual personal items, a sandwich, a thermos, a few books, maybe a collapsible back pillow, and still have theoretical room for a few groceries on the ride home. Unfortunately, I can't carry anything on my back while I ride, so it's all got to get strapped to the bike somehow. Right now I'm using a handmade wooden box, but I'd rather have something classy and canvas with a lid so that I can leave the contents unattended for a few minutes when I run into a store (an open box seems to have take me, I'm free written all over it). I'm debating between a Nigel Smythe Big Box and the as-of-yet-unseen panniers, but another consideration is that I don't have an office (and probably wont for at least another year and a half), and so my bike ends up being locked up outside all over Berkeley and Oakland cafes for hours at a time. That's led me to look for some easily detachable setup that turns into a messenger bag when I need to unload the bike, something like these from Basil: (The Weekender) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/item/145054 (The Messenger) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/catalog/bags-packs/messenger I'm still hoping for the Rivendell holy grail before I decide to try out the Basil, though. What about trying out a front or rear wald basket with one of these: http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks#product=20-205 they unclip to come right out, looks like the large would be a great size and the wald baskets LOOK great empty or not. looks like this in a basket: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/4012913670/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Rivendell News, August 20th 2009 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 We WILL have panniers and a messenger bag (--maybe on that) in the Spring. There are still some mounting details to work out for the panniers. The big companies use plastic hardware that their in-house industrial designers design, then they order millions of them to get the per-piece cost down, and that's not in the cards for us. If we can work out a dumbed-down version that works 95 percent as well, we'll go that way. We're about 75 percent of the way there now, but it's not on the front-burner right now. On Dec 9, 11:35 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I think I read somewhere that Riv is going to release a pannier set... Does anyone know if this is true? I'm in the market for a set...maybe two and don't want to purchase until I see what Riv comes up with... Will they be part of the Sackville lineup? WIll they be more for commuting or touring specific? Anyone have any ideas? Also..still on the prowl for an appropriate Sam Hillborne Green paint touch up source... Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Actually, the Wald basket/ShopSack combo doesn't look like a bad idea! The ShopSack isn't quite as classy as I had in mind (I'm trying to avoid the professor-hobo look, although I seem to keep replicating it in spite of myself), but it might end up fitting the bill. I do like how neatly the bag fits into the Wald basket, and presumably one could leave it attached as a lining when it's not needed for use as a mega-bag. The only thing, though, is that I'm not sure I'd like to have a basket strapped to the bike all the time (that's something annoying about this wooden box I have now), and the zip-tie attachment makes it hard to remove. But it's definitely a smart option worth considering! How are other people commuting (in style or otherwise) these days? What about trying out a front or rear wald basket with one of these:http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks#product=20-205 they unclip to come right out, looks like the large would be a great size and the wald baskets LOOK great empty or not. looks like this in a basket:http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/4012913670/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Nicole E. nicolemea...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the Wald basket/ShopSack combo doesn't look like a bad idea! The ShopSack isn't quite as classy as I had in mind (I'm trying to avoid the professor-hobo look, although I seem to keep replicating it in spite of myself), but it might end up fitting the bill. I do like how neatly the bag fits into the Wald basket, and presumably one could leave it attached as a lining when it's not needed for use as a mega-bag. The only thing, though, is that I'm not sure I'd like to have a basket strapped to the bike all the time (that's something annoying about this wooden box I have now), and the zip-tie attachment makes it hard to remove. But it's definitely a smart option worth considering! How are other people commuting (in style or otherwise) these days? Re-openable zipties. They are the way, the truth and the light and I cannot find a good place to buy more from. The great big ones which came with my road morph-g pump would be perfect but I need MORE OF THEM. any ideas? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Nicole E. nicolemea...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the Wald basket/ShopSack combo doesn't look like a bad idea! The ShopSack isn't quite as classy as I had in mind (I'm trying to avoid the professor-hobo look, although I seem to keep replicating it in spite of myself), but it might end up fitting the bill. I do like how neatly the bag fits into the Wald basket, and presumably one could leave it attached as a lining when it's not needed for use as a mega-bag. The only thing, though, is that I'm not sure I'd like to have a basket strapped to the bike all the time (that's something annoying about this wooden box I have now), and the zip-tie attachment makes it hard to remove. But it's definitely a smart option worth considering! How are other people commuting (in style or otherwise) these days? It's not a cheap option (esp. with the rack requirement), but i think the new Riv Slickersack looks fantastic. I've been making my own saddlebags lately as a winter project. The newest one is at the bottom of this post (click pic for bigger version). Speedblend haters should probably avoid looking, it's not a subdued bag :-) http://wjc.fidean.net/log/2009/12/08/saddlebags/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a cheap option (esp. with the rack requirement), but i think the new Riv Slickersack looks fantastic. I've been making my own saddlebags lately as a winter project. The newest one is at the bottom of this post (click pic for bigger version). Speedblend haters should probably avoid looking, it's not a subdued bag :-) http://wjc.fidean.net/log/2009/12/08/saddlebags/ Bill, Those look great! I've been doing the same. I've made a keven's bag copy and a copy of the 2-strap bag that acorn makes. I plan on making something like the nigel smythe a friend of mine has. It's been a lot of fun and I've learned a bunch about what makes sense in a bag. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Beautiful bags, Bill! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a cheap option (esp. with the rack requirement), but i think the new Riv Slickersack looks fantastic. I've been making my own saddlebags lately as a winter project. The newest one is at the bottom of this post (click pic for bigger version). Speedblend haters should probably avoid looking, it's not a subdued bag :-) http://wjc.fidean.net/log/2009/12/08/saddlebags/ Bill, Those look great! I've been doing the same. I've made a keven's bag copy and a copy of the 2-strap bag that acorn makes. I plan on making something like the nigel smythe a friend of mine has. It's been a lot of fun and I've learned a bunch about what makes sense in a bag. Thanks! Once you've made a saddlebag or two, you really appreciate the amount of work that goes into the Rivendell (and Carradice and Acorn, etc., etc.) bags. It's not as simple as you think, and there are a lot of little details that make a big difference in usability. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: panniers
I use a Big Box with the Nitto Quick Release gizmo (on Riv website) on a Bombadil commuter. It's a fantastic combo -- the Big Box is HUGE, and very good looking (excellent usable pockets, too). The Quick Release works perfectly and has two added benefits: it drastically minimizes swaying of the bag (it's a very firm connection), and it works great as a carry handle for the bag when it's off the bike. Highly recommend it. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicole E. Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:17 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: panniers I've also read somewhere that there are panniers in the works, but I can't remember whether or not it was a credible source. I'm in the market for panniers and have been waiting for Riv to update their shop. I bought a Nigel Smythe country bag and lil loafer, but I realized that I need much more room for commuting (though I'll probably keep the duo for fun rambling rides). On my usual commute I need to carry a laptop, power cord, the usual personal items, a sandwich, a thermos, a few books, maybe a collapsible back pillow, and still have theoretical room for a few groceries on the ride home. Unfortunately, I can't carry anything on my back while I ride, so it's all got to get strapped to the bike somehow. Right now I'm using a handmade wooden box, but I'd rather have something classy and canvas with a lid so that I can leave the contents unattended for a few minutes when I run into a store (an open box seems to have take me, I'm free written all over it). I'm debating between a Nigel Smythe Big Box and the as-of-yet-unseen panniers, but another consideration is that I don't have an office (and probably wont for at least another year and a half), and so my bike ends up being locked up outside all over Berkeley and Oakland cafes for hours at a time. That's led me to look for some easily detachable setup that turns into a messenger bag when I need to unload the bike, something like these from Basil: (The Weekender) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/item/145054 (The Messenger) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/catalog/bags-packs/messenger I'm still hoping for the Rivendell holy grail before I decide to try out the Basil, though. - Nicole On Dec 9, 11:35 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I think I read somewhere that Riv is going to release a pannier set... Does anyone know if this is true? I'm in the market for a set...maybe two and don't want to purchase until I see what Riv comes up with... Will they be part of the Sackville lineup? WIll they be more for commuting or touring specific? Anyone have any ideas? Also..still on the prowl for an appropriate Sam Hillborne Green paint touch up source... Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I use a Big Box with the Nitto Quick Release gizmo (on Riv website) on a Bombadil commuter. It's a fantastic combo -- the Big Box is HUGE, and very good looking (excellent usable pockets, too). The Quick Release works perfectly and has two added benefits: it drastically minimizes swaying of the bag (it's a very firm connection), and it works great as a carry handle for the bag when it's off the bike. Highly recommend it. Please to be adding pictures. I'd like to see what you're talking about here. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: panniers
Seth: The bike it was on is being repainted (a Bombadil clear powdercoat that didn't like the salt air of the Jersey Shore), so I can't post the actual pictures, unless I can find an old one. I'll look tonight. But the Nitto Saddlebag Grip (what I called the Quick Release) is here (if I have the link right -- if not, go to Bags and Racks on Riv website, second page has the Nitto Saddlebag Grip), and there's a picture there. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1page=3#product=20-109 You can actually get an even tighter connection than the one shown if you put the buckle inside the bag, so that all that shows outside is the strap. Releases in 1 second, reattaches in 1 second, totally solid connection, just a great product. Pricey, of course, but worth it, in my book. Tom -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:49 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: panniers On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I use a Big Box with the Nitto Quick Release gizmo (on Riv website) on a Bombadil commuter. It's a fantastic combo -- the Big Box is HUGE, and very good looking (excellent usable pockets, too). The Quick Release works perfectly and has two added benefits: it drastically minimizes swaying of the bag (it's a very firm connection), and it works great as a carry handle for the bag when it's off the bike. Highly recommend it. Please to be adding pictures. I'd like to see what you're talking about here. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
I'm somewhat confused about the statement that big companies use plastic hardware that their in-house industrial designers design. Is Gilles Berthoud a big company, I didn't think so. They do, however, use many Klick-Fix attachment products that work quite well. These are made in Germany by Rixen Kaul and are available in a large variety to suit various needs. Here's a link to an example of the mounting for Gilles Berthoud' GB1500 panniers: http://euroasiaimports.net/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=551idproduct=5693 Gilles Berthoud uses the same type of mounting system on their GB799 panniers. I own a set of the GB799 panniers they mount quite nicely on a Nitto Campee style rear rack. Here's a link to a photo from the Wallingford Bicycle Parts site that shows the bag-making operations at Gilles Berthoud in 2002 (apparently, they only had one person making their bags at that time): http://www.wallbike.com/berthoud/workstour/gbvisit10.html Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Dec 9, 1:41 pm, Nicholas Grieco nicholasgri...@att.net wrote: Rivendell News, August 20th 2009http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 We WILL have panniers and a messenger bag (--maybe on that) in the Spring. There are still some mounting details to work out for the panniers. The big companies use plastic hardware that their in-house industrial designers design, then they order millions of them to get the per-piece cost down, and that's not in the cards for us. If we can work out a dumbed-down version that works 95 percent as well, we'll go that way. We're about 75 percent of the way there now, but it's not on the front-burner right now. On Dec 9, 11:35 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I think I read somewhere that Riv is going to release a pannier set... Does anyone know if this is true? I'm in the market for a set...maybe two and don't want to purchase until I see what Riv comes up with... Will they be part of the Sackville lineup? WIll they be more for commuting or touring specific? Anyone have any ideas? Also..still on the prowl for an appropriate Sam Hillborne Green paint touch up source... Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] re: panniers
Nicole wrote: I'm debating between a Nigel Smythe Big Box and the as-of-yet-unseen panniers, but another consideration is that I don't have an office (and probably wont for at least another year and a half), and so my bike ends up being locked up outside all over Berkeley and Oakland cafes for hours at a time. That's led me to look for some easily detachable setup that turns into a messenger bag when I need to unload the bike, something like these from Basil: (The Weekender) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/item/145054 (The Messenger) http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/catalog/bags-packs/ messenger I'm still hoping for the Rivendell holy grail before I decide to try out the Basil, though. - Nicole Nicole: I seem to have gone through a similar thought process. For a long time, I used Ortlieb panniers to commute to work, but it was inconvenient to transfer the contents to a bag I could use at work (which involves going from classroom to classroom). Now I'm using a Carradice saddlebag (Riv's offerings would work well, too) with a quick release (read about it here (ingenious!): http:// www.cyclofiend.com/working/2009/wbph001-andreball0909.html -- this bag carries my lunch and clothes. The other part of my solution is a wide front rack with a Carradice Bike Bureau attached to it with the clips which usually fit on the rear rack rails. And perhaps a bungee over the top. I say 'solution' but this isn't implemented yet, because I still need the wide front rack to make it work. But when I have the rack, I'll have two quick-releasable bags, and one which looks just like a handsome school satchel. (note that the new Bike Bureaus are *much* better looking than what you see online, because they're using honey leather straps again) Alex Wetmore, who hosts the BOB list and many others, gave me the idea for the front setup. He uses a messenger bag. Art Tacoma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
Nicole - I've been using a medium Wald (in front on a Mark's rack) and Shopsack for a few months now, and I love it. Super convenient, and easy to put stuff even under the bag (when I have to bring donuts, and such). The bag just clips on, so it's easy to remove and doesn't affect much in the way of ride-ability. I've also used the basket as a light mount with the help of a spare wine cork. This setup has been better than my Ortlieb office bag on the other bike, as it's more stuffable and there's more versatility with a basket in terms of ease of use. It also stays a lot cleaner being in the front on the rainy days when the rear panniers tent to get a coating of road grit. BTW - for the post about the re-openable zip tie - just cut the old ones off and use new ties when you want to put it back on. They're super cheap - get a big bag at a hardware store and you'll be set for years... Brian On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Nicole E. nicolemea...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful bags, Bill! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: BTW - for the post about the re-openable zip tie - just cut the old ones off and use new ties when you want to put it back on. They're super cheap - get a big bag at a hardware store and you'll be set for years... Brian I can't do that - it's much too wasteful. I don't like the idea of throwing something away like that. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
For pannier mounts, I called Wayne at the Touring Store (touringstore.com) he had Ortlieb's attachments. Don't recall what they're called but they hook over the rack and have a clever little roll over fitting that wraps around the rack tube. I fitted these up to some REI panniers that don't lock properly onto my Nitto rack (tubing is too big). Clean, neat fix. Another adaptation that solves a lot problems is D-rings with small tubing clamps (any hardware store) and either small bungies or shock cord. For instance, I found the 4 Velcro straps on my Acorn bag a bit awkward, so I fitted the bottom with a couple of D-rings and tie it down with a bungie. Quicker simpler than Acorn's design, easier to remove and actually puts a bit of tension on the bag so it's more secure. With imagination you can make some clean adaptations. Oh, and their cheap as well. dougP On Dec 9, 5:58 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: BTW - for the post about the re-openable zip tie - just cut the old ones off and use new ties when you want to put it back on. They're super cheap - get a big bag at a hardware store and you'll be set for years... Brian I can't do that - it's much too wasteful. I don't like the idea of throwing something away like that. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: panniers
Could be tough to beat the connection quality of multiple zip ties-- rock solid. I get the urge to remove the basket sometimes but I never do because I too don't like the idea of wasting zip ties (and I know I want the basket on there most of the time). I wonder how well three properly sized and placed voile straps would hold a wald onto a rack. I'm thinking two placed in parallel along the narrow dimension of the rack and one along the long dimension. The straps are slightly elastic (not as elastic as a bungee) and you can really crank them down tight. As a bonus the orange color will certainly add some speed to the bike (skiers too are concerned with speed hence the color selection). I have two straps that I use for backcountry skiing but I don't currently have the urge to snip my zip ties so the experiment will have to wait for another day. I figure people on this list will find myriad uses for these wonderful straps so I'm posting this message regardless that I've not run the experiment. They make great stocking-stuffers too. http://www.voile-usa.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=800Category_Code=VSSProduct_Count=0 (Disclaimer: I have NO personal or business relationship with Voile- USA.) -Mike On Dec 9, 5:58 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: BTW - for the post about the re-openable zip tie - just cut the old ones off and use new ties when you want to put it back on. They're super cheap - get a big bag at a hardware store and you'll be set for years... Brian I can't do that - it's much too wasteful. I don't like the idea of throwing something away like that. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Michael Dakin mpda...@gmail.com wrote: Could be tough to beat the connection quality of multiple zip ties-- rock solid. I get the urge to remove the basket sometimes but I never do because I too don't like the idea of wasting zip ties (and I know I want the basket on there most of the time). Ah ha - I found them: http://cableorganizer.com/cable-ties-releasable/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: panniers
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! Once you've made a saddlebag or two, you really appreciate the amount of work that goes into the Rivendell (and Carradice and Acorn, etc., etc.) bags. It's not as simple as you think, and there are a lot of little details that make a big difference in usability. That's so true! I recently got my first sewing machine and tried to make a saddlebag based on a design I dreamt up; kept modifying it in an effort to make it work; and eventually abandoned the whole project. You've done great! James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.