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Chris said: “Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so...” I haven’t felt like posting much lately, because I was recently on the other side of this scenario, and have been going over and over and over my recollection of the facts to try to diminish my very powerful feelings of guilt. I was driving home from work, with bright sun and a dappled shoulder on the left side of the road caused by shade from large trees lining the street. I needed to make a left turn across traffic (two lane road, wide shoulder on both sides), but there were a couple of cars coming from the other direction, so I stopped to wait for the cars to go by. Once they passed, I began to turn into my street (slowly, thank God) when a cyclist appeared seemingly out of nowhere immediately in front of me. I stomped on the brakes, but didn’t stop in time and hit the cyclist, who cartwheeled off her bike. She remained conscious but suffered a broken leg and cuts and bruises. I wish that I could share Chris’s generosity toward the motorist in this circumstance (“it’s really easy to see this incident from both sides…”), but honestly I can’t, and it’s been tearing me up. She had the right of way; she was riding entirely lawfully; she was just out for a training ride when two tons of steel knocked her off her bike and broke her leg. I had decided not to share this information with the group (at least in part because of the shame of it), but Chris’s message changed my mind, and perhaps something good can come from it. I am typically quite a careful driver – much more so since I began cycling again 7 or 8 years ago – but I’ve redoubled my vigilance since this accident, and I urge others who drive cars to do the same. I still can’t reconstruct how I didn’t see the cyclist, and it frightens me to realize that a driver highly conscious of cyclists and their rights like me could still make such a horrible mistake. But I’m determined to make sure it will never happen again. It’s also scary from my perspective as a rider. I have taken to wearing nothing but fluorescent or at least extremely brightly colored cycling clothes (the woman I hit was all in black) since the accident, and I ride with high intensity flashing lights front and rear in the daytime (equally high intensity but not flashing at night). I don’t really know whether these measures help, or whether they would have helped me see the cyclist I didn’t see in my case, but I am scared enough that I’m prepared to do anything I can to potentially increase visibility. Everyone makes their own decisions, of course, but I would urge you all to give some new thoughts to visibility questions as you go forward. I remain very nervous and skittish, both as a driver and a cyclist, but I’m trying hard to keep riding, and not let fear control what I do. Tom From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Chen Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 5:54 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: mason-hill-rabble-rousers-fan-c...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube and it's fubar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15148900746/in/photostream/ Ibuprofen is one hell of a drug and I'm back on my feet today. I have a new business idea though. The gauze the hospital gave me is white, and it picks up cat hair like a moogerfooger, so I propose a custom gauze service where you send in pictures of your cats and it makes a custom colored gauze that matches your cat/dog's coat. You can specify up to 4 different cats by submitting pictures and hair length + size for each, and it will do a simulation to provide the exact match, like camo. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado row.n.2nowh...@gmail.commailto:row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com wrote: People just can't wait 3 seconds for a bike to get through an intersection.I hope you recover quickly. Inspect your bike for hidden damage: Feel under the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube for any bulges that may have ben caused by the impact. Have the bike shop remove the fork and inspect the fork crown and steerer tube for bends and cracks.Have them put the fork in a fork jig to check the alignment .Have them service the headset while the fork is out. Have them give the bike a total inspection The V-DUB guy will pay
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Tom, my friend. I'm really sorry for the pain and guilt you must be feeling. I'll try to help you make something good come out of your experience by promising that I will recommit myself to being as careful as I can be when I'm behind the wheel. Thank you very much for sharing it. Bill On Monday, September 8, 2014 9:26:57 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Chris said: *“Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so...”* I haven’t felt like posting much lately, because I was recently on the other side of this scenario, and have been going over and over and over my recollection of the facts to try to diminish my very powerful feelings of guilt. I was driving home from work, with bright sun and a dappled shoulder on the left side of the road caused by shade from large trees lining the street. I needed to make a left turn across traffic (two lane road, wide shoulder on both sides), but there were a couple of cars coming from the other direction, so I stopped to wait for the cars to go by. Once they passed, I began to turn into my street (slowly, thank God) when a cyclist appeared seemingly out of nowhere immediately in front of me. I stomped on the brakes, but didn’t stop in time and hit the cyclist, who cartwheeled off her bike. She remained conscious but suffered a broken leg and cuts and bruises. I wish that I could share Chris’s generosity toward the motorist in this circumstance (“it’s really easy to see this incident from both sides…”), but honestly I can’t, and it’s been tearing me up. She had the right of way; she was riding entirely lawfully; she was just out for a training ride when two tons of steel knocked her off her bike and broke her leg. I had decided not to share this information with the group (at least in part because of the shame of it), but Chris’s message changed my mind, and perhaps something good can come from it. I am typically quite a careful driver – much more so since I began cycling again 7 or 8 years ago – but I’ve redoubled my vigilance since this accident, and I urge others who drive cars to do the same. I still can’t reconstruct how I didn’t see the cyclist, and it frightens me to realize that a driver highly conscious of cyclists and their rights like me could still make such a horrible mistake. But I’m determined to make sure it will never happen again. It’s also scary from my perspective as a rider. I have taken to wearing nothing but fluorescent or at least extremely brightly colored cycling clothes (the woman I hit was all in black) since the accident, and I ride with high intensity flashing lights front and rear in the daytime (equally high intensity but not flashing at night). I don’t really know whether these measures help, or whether they would have helped me see the cyclist I didn’t see in my case, but I am scared enough that I’m prepared to do anything I can to potentially increase visibility. Everyone makes their own decisions, of course, but I would urge you all to give some new thoughts to visibility questions as you go forward. I remain very nervous and skittish, both as a driver and a cyclist, but I’m trying hard to keep riding, and not let fear control what I do. Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Och, Tom! I am so sorry you are experiencing the guilt of what happened. Perhaps it's ignorance on my part, but I have a hard time picturing anyone on this group being an unconscientious driver. Granted I do not ride in very populated areas, so the volume of traffic I have to contend with and the frequency of intersections is nothing compared with a city, but I always presume any vehicle is going to cut me off until I know otherwise. I learned my lesson the hard way in college with my windshield smasher into a left-turning car. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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One has to exercise reasonable care and the bar for this is quite high when we drive a 2 ton vehicle at speeds far above what is normally human. That said, we live in an imperfect world and no one, I repeat no one, can expect to be fully alert all the time and in every circumstance. That is why I said reasonable care. We all make mistakes and, yes, we should pay the price for them, but we should not, and others should not, violently blame ourselves for the inevitable error. I have, very inadvertently, done what in retrospect were very stupid things, both as a driver and as a cyclist, and God, or Providence, or Karma has kept the results from being worse than they were. The results were far, far less than they could have been. I think one needs to add to the immediate responsibility of exercising care, the duty of cultivating habits of awareness -- generally speaking, to do everything with the care and attention it deserves. We in the US, at least, are far, far, far too casual about the responsibilities of driving, and far, far, far too casual about due awareness and care about all the things we do daily. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Chris said: *“Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so...”* I haven’t felt like posting much lately, because I was recently on the other side of this scenario, and have been going over and over and over my recollection of the facts to try to diminish my very powerful feelings of guilt. I was driving home from work, with bright sun and a dappled shoulder on the left side of the road caused by shade from large trees lining the street. I needed to make a left turn across traffic (two lane road, wide shoulder on both sides), but there were a couple of cars coming from the other direction, so I stopped to wait for the cars to go by. Once they passed, I began to turn into my street (slowly, thank God) when a cyclist appeared seemingly out of nowhere immediately in front of me. I stomped on the brakes, but didn’t stop in time and hit the cyclist, who cartwheeled off her bike. She remained conscious but suffered a broken leg and cuts and bruises. I wish that I could share Chris’s generosity toward the motorist in this circumstance (“it’s really easy to see this incident from both sides…”), but honestly I can’t, and it’s been tearing me up. She had the right of way; she was riding entirely lawfully; she was just out for a training ride when two tons of steel knocked her off her bike and broke her leg. I had decided not to share this information with the group (at least in part because of the shame of it), but Chris’s message changed my mind, and perhaps something good can come from it. I am typically quite a careful driver – much more so since I began cycling again 7 or 8 years ago – but I’ve redoubled my vigilance since this accident, and I urge others who drive cars to do the same. I still can’t reconstruct how I didn’t see the cyclist, and it frightens me to realize that a driver highly conscious of cyclists and their rights like me could still make such a horrible mistake. But I’m determined to make sure it will never happen again. It’s also scary from my perspective as a rider. I have taken to wearing nothing but fluorescent or at least extremely brightly colored cycling clothes (the woman I hit was all in black) since the accident, and I ride with high intensity flashing lights front and rear in the daytime (equally high intensity but not flashing at night). I don’t really know whether these measures help, or whether they would have helped me see the cyclist I didn’t see in my case, but I am scared enough that I’m prepared to do anything I can to potentially increase visibility. Everyone makes their own decisions, of course, but I would urge you all to give some new thoughts to visibility questions as you go forward. I remain very nervous and skittish, both as a driver and a cyclist, but I’m trying hard to keep riding, and not let fear control what I do. Tom *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Chen *Sent:* Sunday, September 07, 2014 5:54 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Cc:* mason-hill-rabble-rousers-fan-c...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube
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Thomas: I don't envy you. I think as a culture we at least subscribe to the notion of turning the other cheek if someone strikes you (literally), but we're really bad at handling what happens when you're the one that does the striking, especially if it's accidental. And we live long lives; we *are* going to make some pretty miserable mistakes. I think the way you've adapted your riding and driving style probably speaks to your quality as much as your guilt does. As does your willingness to share how you feel about it. I think talking about it definitely helps. And the ibuprofen. Take care. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Chris said: *“Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so...”* I haven’t felt like posting much lately, because I was recently on the other side of this scenario, and have been going over and over and over my recollection of the facts to try to diminish my very powerful feelings of guilt. I was driving home from work, with bright sun and a dappled shoulder on the left side of the road caused by shade from large trees lining the street. I needed to make a left turn across traffic (two lane road, wide shoulder on both sides), but there were a couple of cars coming from the other direction, so I stopped to wait for the cars to go by. Once they passed, I began to turn into my street (slowly, thank God) when a cyclist appeared seemingly out of nowhere immediately in front of me. I stomped on the brakes, but didn’t stop in time and hit the cyclist, who cartwheeled off her bike. She remained conscious but suffered a broken leg and cuts and bruises. I wish that I could share Chris’s generosity toward the motorist in this circumstance (“it’s really easy to see this incident from both sides…”), but honestly I can’t, and it’s been tearing me up. She had the right of way; she was riding entirely lawfully; she was just out for a training ride when two tons of steel knocked her off her bike and broke her leg. I had decided not to share this information with the group (at least in part because of the shame of it), but Chris’s message changed my mind, and perhaps something good can come from it. I am typically quite a careful driver – much more so since I began cycling again 7 or 8 years ago – but I’ve redoubled my vigilance since this accident, and I urge others who drive cars to do the same. I still can’t reconstruct how I didn’t see the cyclist, and it frightens me to realize that a driver highly conscious of cyclists and their rights like me could still make such a horrible mistake. But I’m determined to make sure it will never happen again. It’s also scary from my perspective as a rider. I have taken to wearing nothing but fluorescent or at least extremely brightly colored cycling clothes (the woman I hit was all in black) since the accident, and I ride with high intensity flashing lights front and rear in the daytime (equally high intensity but not flashing at night). I don’t really know whether these measures help, or whether they would have helped me see the cyclist I didn’t see in my case, but I am scared enough that I’m prepared to do anything I can to potentially increase visibility. Everyone makes their own decisions, of course, but I would urge you all to give some new thoughts to visibility questions as you go forward. I remain very nervous and skittish, both as a driver and a cyclist, but I’m trying hard to keep riding, and not let fear control what I do. Tom *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Chen *Sent:* Sunday, September 07, 2014 5:54 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Cc:* mason-hill-rabble-rousers-fan-c...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube and it's fubar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15148900746/in/photostream/ Ibuprofen is one hell of a drug and I'm back on my feet today. I have a new business idea though. The gauze the hospital gave me is white, and it picks up cat hair like a moogerfooger, so I propose a custom gauze service where you send in pictures of your cats and it makes a custom colored gauze that matches your cat/dog's coat. You can specify up to 4 different cats by submitting pictures and hair length + size for each
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Patrick wrote: “I think one needs to add to the immediate responsibility of exercising care, the duty of cultivating habits of awareness -- generally speaking, to do everything with the care and attention it deserves. We in the US, at least, are far, far, far too casual about the responsibilities of driving, and far, far, far too casual about due awareness and care about all the things we do daily.” This is why I find it hard not to beat myself up about this incident. Unless you can reconstruct what prevented you from seeing what you are charged with seeing, the mind naturally defaults to the explanation that you were not giving driving – some aspect of driving – “the care and attention it deserves.” I shared this because I am trying to have always in mind the enormity of the responsibility we take on when we pilot a two ton projectile at fast speeds on public roads, because of what I see as the possibility that I had somehow forgotten that, and with the hope that others might give it a fresh thought as well. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Moore Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 1:52 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn One has to exercise reasonable care and the bar for this is quite high when we drive a 2 ton vehicle at speeds far above what is normally human. That said, we live in an imperfect world and no one, I repeat no one, can expect to be fully alert all the time and in every circumstance. That is why I said reasonable care. We all make mistakes and, yes, we should pay the price for them, but we should not, and others should not, violently blame ourselves for the inevitable error. I have, very inadvertently, done what in retrospect were very stupid things, both as a driver and as a cyclist, and God, or Providence, or Karma has kept the results from being worse than they were. The results were far, far less than they could have been. I think one needs to add to the immediate responsibility of exercising care, the duty of cultivating habits of awareness -- generally speaking, to do everything with the care and attention it deserves. We in the US, at least, are far, far, far too casual about the responsibilities of driving, and far, far, far too casual about due awareness and care about all the things we do daily. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.commailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Chris said: “Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so...” I haven’t felt like posting much lately, because I was recently on the other side of this scenario, and have been going over and over and over my recollection of the facts to try to diminish my very powerful feelings of guilt. I was driving home from work, with bright sun and a dappled shoulder on the left side of the road caused by shade from large trees lining the street. I needed to make a left turn across traffic (two lane road, wide shoulder on both sides), but there were a couple of cars coming from the other direction, so I stopped to wait for the cars to go by. Once they passed, I began to turn into my street (slowly, thank God) when a cyclist appeared seemingly out of nowhere immediately in front of me. I stomped on the brakes, but didn’t stop in time and hit the cyclist, who cartwheeled off her bike. She remained conscious but suffered a broken leg and cuts and bruises. I wish that I could share Chris’s generosity toward the motorist in this circumstance (“it’s really easy to see this incident from both sides…”), but honestly I can’t, and it’s been tearing me up. She had the right of way; she was riding entirely lawfully; she was just out for a training ride when two tons of steel knocked her off her bike and broke her leg. I had decided not to share this information with the group (at least in part because of the shame of it), but Chris’s message changed my mind, and perhaps something good can come from it. I am typically quite a careful driver – much more so since I began cycling again 7 or 8 years ago – but I’ve redoubled my vigilance since this accident, and I urge others who drive cars to do the same. I still can’t reconstruct how I didn’t see the cyclist, and it frightens me to realize that a driver highly conscious of cyclists and their rights like me could still make such a horrible mistake. But I’m determined to make sure it will never happen again. It’s also scary from my perspective as a rider. I have taken to wearing nothing but fluorescent or at least extremely brightly colored cycling clothes (the woman I hit was all in black) since the accident, and I ride with high intensity flashing lights front and rear in the daytime (equally high
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One of two things: You were grossly careless. Takeaway: you've learned a positive lesson. Be humbly grateful for the lesson learned and that the damage was not worse, AND that you have the wherewithal to make good the other person's losses. Or you were not grossly careless, but circumstances led to an unusually dangerous situation where the result of minor distraction, or minor failure to anticipate all possible outcomes, was amplified; or perhaps, better, where only with great forethought and preparation could you have anticipated such an occurrence. Takeaway from the last, which I is expect is the case: don't beat yourself up; recognize that the world is imperfect and bad things happen despite all our precautions; and again be thankful that things were not worse. As I said, I've been in this situation before. I've not seriously injured anyone, but I've been reckless and certainly could have seriously injured someone. I'm very grateful to learn a lesson in caution and self control (that's my lesson; not saying it's one you need). Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping? On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Patrick wrote: *“**I think one needs to add to the immediate responsibility of exercising care, the duty of cultivating habits of awareness -- generally speaking, to do everything with the care and attention it deserves. We in the US, at least, are far, far, far too casual about the responsibilities of driving, and far, far, far too casual about due awareness and care about all the things we do daily.”* This is why I find it hard not to beat myself up about this incident. Unless you can reconstruct what prevented you from seeing what you are charged with seeing, the mind naturally defaults to the explanation that you were not giving driving – *some* aspect of driving – “the care and attention it deserves.” I shared this because I am trying to have always in mind the enormity of the responsibility we take on when we pilot a two ton projectile at fast speeds on public roads, because of what I see as the possibility that I had somehow forgotten that, and with the hope that others might give it a fresh thought as well. *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Moore *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 1:52 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn One has to exercise reasonable care and the bar for this is quite high when we drive a 2 ton vehicle at speeds far above what is normally human. That said, we live in an imperfect world and no one, I repeat no one, can expect to be fully alert all the time and in every circumstance. That is why I said reasonable care. We all make mistakes and, yes, we should pay the price for them, but we should not, and others should not, violently blame ourselves for the inevitable error. I have, very inadvertently, done what in retrospect were very stupid things, both as a driver and as a cyclist, and God, or Providence, or Karma has kept the results from being worse than they were. The results were far, far less than they could have been. I think one needs to add to the immediate responsibility of exercising care, the duty of cultivating habits of awareness -- generally speaking, to do everything with the care and attention it deserves. We in the US, at least, are far, far, far too casual about the responsibilities of driving, and far, far, far too casual about due awareness and care about all the things we do daily. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Chris said: *“Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so...”* I haven’t felt like posting much lately, because I was recently on the other side of this scenario, and have been going over and over and over my recollection of the facts to try to diminish my very powerful feelings of guilt. I was driving home from work, with bright sun and a dappled shoulder on the left side of the road caused by shade from large trees lining the street. I needed to make a left turn across traffic (two lane road, wide shoulder on both sides), but there were a couple of cars coming from the other direction, so I stopped to wait for the cars to go by. Once they passed, I began to turn into my street (slowly, thank God) when a cyclist appeared seemingly out of nowhere immediately in front of me. I stomped on the brakes, but didn’t stop in time and hit the cyclist, who cartwheeled off her bike. She remained conscious but suffered a broken leg and cuts and bruises. I wish that I could share Chris’s generosity toward the motorist in this circumstance
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there's no milk in horchata - at least there's not supposed to be http://noshon.it/blog/2013/07/how-to-make-authentic-mexican-horchata/ Christopher, wishing you healing and safety. Same for your bike... On Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:04:51 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote: Bah. On the plus side horchata milkshakes do have special healing properties. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Well, damn indeed. I'm glad you're okay, Chris. Based on previous experience, definitely take the insurance route. Riv may be able to give you an estimate for repairs. Wishing you a speedy recovery, -E. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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We are the place for good advice on this sort of thing! I especially agree with the two Patricks. Our legal/medical/insurance system is built on short-term adversarial relationships, but this kind of accident can be long-term life changing, especially if you feel like jumping up after being hit right away! Document, notify, get expert evaluations of body and bike, and make no assumptions of good will from the other party, or make any hasty agreement with them. I agreed to getting a new wheel after discovering the woman who hit me had not notified her insurance and tried to deny she had hit me, but over time, I discovered the frame was no longer true, and the fork eventually cracked, but because it was steel, it didn't fail without warning. My body, well, it was OK after that crash, just a little sore two days later for several weeks... On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com wrote: People just can't wait 3 seconds for a bike to get through an intersection.I hope you recover quickly. Inspect your bike for hidden damage: Feel under the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube for any bulges that may have ben caused by the impact. Have the bike shop remove the fork and inspect the fork crown and steerer tube for bends and cracks.Have them put the fork in a fork jig to check the alignment .Have them service the headset while the fork is out. Have them give the bike a total inspection *The V-DUB guy will pay for it.. You don't want something to happen later down the road that was caused by the accident.* Hope you are feeling better and back out on the road soon. Jon On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:01:26 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: My Hilsen is out of commission for a little while. Heading on NW Broadway towards the bridge, at Flanders, when a silver VW Golf making a left turn hits me. I go up and over and make a nice dent on the windshield. Roll back down when the car stops and land on my feet (like a cat!) and walk away, a bit dazed. Cops show up, we have a party with the firefighters, ambulance comes and leaves. Witness gives his story, all the data gets swapped. Front rack is bent, front fork is askew, wheel is tacoed, but everything is fixable. Police officer gives me a ride back to my apartment (hey it turns out cops carry bikes on their cars all the time, by fitting the wheels between the grill and the big external bumper on the front). X-rays turn out okay, no fractures. Everyone at the hospital was great. It was about 8 hours ago and I'm just coming down from the endorphins. I got a malt milkshake (horchata cookie!) to celebrate. Oh yeah, and my helmet is all cracked up. I'll be fine though. Anyway, keep an eye out there... Cheers cc still picking pieces of windshield glass out of his hair -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube and it's fubar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15148900746/in/photostream/ Ibuprofen is one hell of a drug and I'm back on my feet today. I have a new business idea though. The gauze the hospital gave me is white, and it picks up cat hair like a moogerfooger, so I propose a custom gauze service where you send in pictures of your cats and it makes a custom colored gauze that matches your cat/dog's coat. You can specify up to 4 different cats by submitting pictures and hair length + size for each, and it will do a simulation to provide the exact match, like camo. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com wrote: People just can't wait 3 seconds for a bike to get through an intersection.I hope you recover quickly. Inspect your bike for hidden damage: Feel under the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube for any bulges that may have ben caused by the impact. Have the bike shop remove the fork and inspect the fork crown and steerer tube for bends and cracks.Have them put the fork in a fork jig to check the alignment .Have them service the headset while the fork is out. Have them give the bike a total inspection *The V-DUB guy will pay for it.. You don't want something to happen later down the road that was caused by the accident.* Hope you are feeling better and back out on the road soon. Jon On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:01:26 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: My Hilsen is out of commission for a little while. Heading on NW Broadway towards the bridge, at Flanders, when a silver VW Golf making a left turn hits me. I go up and over and make a nice dent on the windshield. Roll back down when the car stops and land on my feet (like a cat!) and walk away, a bit dazed. Cops show up, we have a party with the firefighters, ambulance comes and leaves. Witness gives his story, all the data gets swapped. Front rack is bent, front fork is askew, wheel is tacoed, but everything is fixable. Police officer gives me a ride back to my apartment (hey it turns out cops carry bikes on their cars all the time, by fitting the wheels between the grill and the big external bumper on the front). X-rays turn out okay, no fractures. Everyone at the hospital was great. It was about 8 hours ago and I'm just coming down from the endorphins. I got a malt milkshake (horchata cookie!) to celebrate. Oh yeah, and my helmet is all cracked up. I'll be fine though. Anyway, keep an eye out there... Cheers cc still picking pieces of windshield glass out of his hair -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
VERY glad to hear you are doing as well. If you need my 57 Hilsen frame and or fork on free loan till your's is sorted, let me know. I'll could have it in transit tomorrow or tuesday. Keep up the mending. On Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:53:57 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube and it's fubar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15148900746/in/photostream/ Ibuprofen is one hell of a drug and I'm back on my feet today. I have a new business idea though. The gauze the hospital gave me is white, and it picks up cat hair like a moogerfooger, so I propose a custom gauze service where you send in pictures of your cats and it makes a custom colored gauze that matches your cat/dog's coat. You can specify up to 4 different cats by submitting pictures and hair length + size for each, and it will do a simulation to provide the exact match, like camo. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado row.n.2...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: People just can't wait 3 seconds for a bike to get through an intersection.I hope you recover quickly. Inspect your bike for hidden damage: Feel under the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube for any bulges that may have ben caused by the impact. Have the bike shop remove the fork and inspect the fork crown and steerer tube for bends and cracks.Have them put the fork in a fork jig to check the alignment .Have them service the headset while the fork is out. Have them give the bike a total inspection *The V-DUB guy will pay for it.. You don't want something to happen later down the road that was caused by the accident.* Hope you are feeling better and back out on the road soon. Jon On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:01:26 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: My Hilsen is out of commission for a little while. Heading on NW Broadway towards the bridge, at Flanders, when a silver VW Golf making a left turn hits me. I go up and over and make a nice dent on the windshield. Roll back down when the car stops and land on my feet (like a cat!) and walk away, a bit dazed. Cops show up, we have a party with the firefighters, ambulance comes and leaves. Witness gives his story, all the data gets swapped. Front rack is bent, front fork is askew, wheel is tacoed, but everything is fixable. Police officer gives me a ride back to my apartment (hey it turns out cops carry bikes on their cars all the time, by fitting the wheels between the grill and the big external bumper on the front). X-rays turn out okay, no fractures. Everyone at the hospital was great. It was about 8 hours ago and I'm just coming down from the endorphins. I got a malt milkshake (horchata cookie!) to celebrate. Oh yeah, and my helmet is all cracked up. I'll be fine though. Anyway, keep an eye out there... Cheers cc still picking pieces of windshield glass out of his hair -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
Oh my god Jinxed that makes me want to cry. I'll be riding the chicken once my new helmet gets here, so I'm good. But THANK YOU! On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM, 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: VERY glad to hear you are doing as well. If you need my 57 Hilsen frame and or fork on free loan till your's is sorted, let me know. I'll could have it in transit tomorrow or tuesday. Keep up the mending. On Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:53:57 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube and it's fubar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15148900746/in/photostream/ Ibuprofen is one hell of a drug and I'm back on my feet today. I have a new business idea though. The gauze the hospital gave me is white, and it picks up cat hair like a moogerfooger, so I propose a custom gauze service where you send in pictures of your cats and it makes a custom colored gauze that matches your cat/dog's coat. You can specify up to 4 different cats by submitting pictures and hair length + size for each, and it will do a simulation to provide the exact match, like camo. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote: People just can't wait 3 seconds for a bike to get through an intersection.I hope you recover quickly. Inspect your bike for hidden damage: Feel under the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube for any bulges that may have ben caused by the impact. Have the bike shop remove the fork and inspect the fork crown and steerer tube for bends and cracks.Have them put the fork in a fork jig to check the alignment .Have them service the headset while the fork is out. Have them give the bike a total inspection *The V-DUB guy will pay for it.. You don't want something to happen later down the road that was caused by the accident.* Hope you are feeling better and back out on the road soon. Jon On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:01:26 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: My Hilsen is out of commission for a little while. Heading on NW Broadway towards the bridge, at Flanders, when a silver VW Golf making a left turn hits me. I go up and over and make a nice dent on the windshield. Roll back down when the car stops and land on my feet (like a cat!) and walk away, a bit dazed. Cops show up, we have a party with the firefighters, ambulance comes and leaves. Witness gives his story, all the data gets swapped. Front rack is bent, front fork is askew, wheel is tacoed, but everything is fixable. Police officer gives me a ride back to my apartment (hey it turns out cops carry bikes on their cars all the time, by fitting the wheels between the grill and the big external bumper on the front). X-rays turn out okay, no fractures. Everyone at the hospital was great. It was about 8 hours ago and I'm just coming down from the endorphins. I got a malt milkshake (horchata cookie!) to celebrate. Oh yeah, and my helmet is all cracked up. I'll be fine though. Anyway, keep an eye out there... Cheers cc still picking pieces of windshield glass out of his hair -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
Given the look of that impact, check the front hub carefully before using it to rebuild a wheel...you may need a new Schmidt. On Sunday, September 7, 2014 6:00:27 PM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote: Oh my god Jinxed that makes me want to cry. I'll be riding the chicken once my new helmet gets here, so I'm good. But THANK YOU! On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM, 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: VERY glad to hear you are doing as well. If you need my 57 Hilsen frame and or fork on free loan till your's is sorted, let me know. I'll could have it in transit tomorrow or tuesday. Keep up the mending. On Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:53:57 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube and it's fubar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15148900746/in/photostream/ Ibuprofen is one hell of a drug and I'm back on my feet today. I have a new business idea though. The gauze the hospital gave me is white, and it picks up cat hair like a moogerfooger, so I propose a custom gauze service where you send in pictures of your cats and it makes a custom colored gauze that matches your cat/dog's coat. You can specify up to 4 different cats by submitting pictures and hair length + size for each, and it will do a simulation to provide the exact match, like camo. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote: People just can't wait 3 seconds for a bike to get through an intersection.I hope you recover quickly. Inspect your bike for hidden damage: Feel under the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube for any bulges that may have ben caused by the impact. Have the bike shop remove the fork and inspect the fork crown and steerer tube for bends and cracks.Have them put the fork in a fork jig to check the alignment .Have them service the headset while the fork is out. Have them give the bike a total inspection *The V-DUB guy will pay for it.. You don't want something to happen later down the road that was caused by the accident.* Hope you are feeling better and back out on the road soon. Jon On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:01:26 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: My Hilsen is out of commission for a little while. Heading on NW Broadway towards the bridge, at Flanders, when a silver VW Golf making a left turn hits me. I go up and over and make a nice dent on the windshield. Roll back down when the car stops and land on my feet (like a cat!) and walk away, a bit dazed. Cops show up, we have a party with the firefighters, ambulance comes and leaves. Witness gives his story, all the data gets swapped. Front rack is bent, front fork is askew, wheel is tacoed, but everything is fixable. Police officer gives me a ride back to my apartment (hey it turns out cops carry bikes on their cars all the time, by fitting the wheels between the grill and the big external bumper on the front). X-rays turn out okay, no fractures. Everyone at the hospital was great. It was about 8 hours ago and I'm just coming down from the endorphins. I got a malt milkshake (horchata cookie!) to celebrate. Oh yeah, and my helmet is all cracked up. I'll be fine though. Anyway, keep an eye out there... Cheers cc still picking pieces of windshield glass out of his hair -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... Don't even let yourself feel even a bit at fault. Left turning autos failing to yield the right of way to pedestrians and cyclists is often at the top of annual car/pedestrian/cyclists injury and fatality statistics. Law enforcement needs to get much more aggressive enforcing infractions. Federal and local government really ought to produce driver education video and on-line pieces about proper left turn maneuvers at the same level they do encouraging seat belts and not driving under the influence. I'm glad you appear to be doing relatively well. So sad about your wonderful Hilsen pictures of which you've shared here with us in the past. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
Dang, that mighty Homer is used up. R.I.P. Homer. Bummer. :-( I'd rather see a hundred crumpled Homers than a single broken bone on you, CC. I'm super grateful for that. There's a sign on the display Hunqapillar at Bike Book and Hatchet that reads. This is a Bicycle. Bicycles have no soul or something to that effect. We get attached and sentimental, and even feel loss, but it is just a bike. An excellent bike, but it's replaceable. On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:53:57 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's a bit sad we live in an adversarial sort of culture, because it's really easy to see this incident from both sides. That said, I *was* going straight and the car entered my space, so... In any event, I'm going to spend a few minutes today to take parts off the bike to get at the frame and I'll have it looked over. Actually I just looked at the downtube and it's fubar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15148900746/in/photostream/ Ibuprofen is one hell of a drug and I'm back on my feet today. I have a new business idea though. The gauze the hospital gave me is white, and it picks up cat hair like a moogerfooger, so I propose a custom gauze service where you send in pictures of your cats and it makes a custom colored gauze that matches your cat/dog's coat. You can specify up to 4 different cats by submitting pictures and hair length + size for each, and it will do a simulation to provide the exact match, like camo. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado row.n.2...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: People just can't wait 3 seconds for a bike to get through an intersection.I hope you recover quickly. Inspect your bike for hidden damage: Feel under the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube for any bulges that may have ben caused by the impact. Have the bike shop remove the fork and inspect the fork crown and steerer tube for bends and cracks.Have them put the fork in a fork jig to check the alignment .Have them service the headset while the fork is out. Have them give the bike a total inspection *The V-DUB guy will pay for it.. You don't want something to happen later down the road that was caused by the accident.* Hope you are feeling better and back out on the road soon. Jon On Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:01:26 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: My Hilsen is out of commission for a little while. Heading on NW Broadway towards the bridge, at Flanders, when a silver VW Golf making a left turn hits me. I go up and over and make a nice dent on the windshield. Roll back down when the car stops and land on my feet (like a cat!) and walk away, a bit dazed. Cops show up, we have a party with the firefighters, ambulance comes and leaves. Witness gives his story, all the data gets swapped. Front rack is bent, front fork is askew, wheel is tacoed, but everything is fixable. Police officer gives me a ride back to my apartment (hey it turns out cops carry bikes on their cars all the time, by fitting the wheels between the grill and the big external bumper on the front). X-rays turn out okay, no fractures. Everyone at the hospital was great. It was about 8 hours ago and I'm just coming down from the endorphins. I got a malt milkshake (horchata cookie!) to celebrate. Oh yeah, and my helmet is all cracked up. I'll be fine though. Anyway, keep an eye out there... Cheers cc still picking pieces of windshield glass out of his hair -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
At least you got a milkshake out of it! Take it easy and recover wholly! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:40 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: I hate when people on bikes get hit by cars, because it just...doesn't...have...to happen in the first place, when you think about it. Of course, I guess that's the same for an auto hitting an auto, too. I am glad you are ok and hope the bike can be fixed and that you will not need fixing, and that your are in tip-top shape. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Well, Damn
Bah. On the plus side horchata milkshakes do have special healing properties. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
